Flacco: Speaks About Elite QBs

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326437878' post='945513']
[u][b]I have a great feeling about this game and Joe[/b][/u]. In fact, this post season and Joe. I think we are going to see the blossoming of something very, very special in the coming weeks.
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i do to!

to be honest with you...i feel like i already know "which" offense and defense for the Ravens will show up throughout the playoffs. i couldn't say that throughout the regular season because they were helter skelter from one week to the next. but since they have met their first set of goals (i.e. win 12 games, win the Division, get the #1 or #2 seed, gain a bye-week etc.) i believe that they are really focused and will take care of "their" business the rest of the way.

~Mili

[3rdcoast]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1326414049' post='945263']
Exactly. Demaryius Thomas earned that TD against Pitt. It was a 10yard completion. Thomas ran the other 70 and stiff armed Ike Turner, I mean Taylor. Where's his credit?
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Demaryius Thomas did earn the TD. But seriously, do you think a defense would play man with no help on any other QB than Tebow. Give him props for an accurate throw, that allow the WR to take advantage of one on one with no help.

[margeta2005]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326422898' post='945366']
Flacco wants respect he has to earn it. 4 playoff appearances is one step. Have a statement game, that should earn him some respect. [b]Show that you are capable of putting together a complete game in the playoffs[/b]. I mean the media does have a point. Right now you are just a good regular season Quarterback.
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i guess last years KC game doesnt count as the playoffs cause it was a wild card game in the loudest stadium in the nfl (2 tds 110 qb rating) some players obviously will never get the respect they deserve -.-

[Ippon]

Screw the media and their criticism of Joe. Their opinion doesn't have any effect on who wins the game.

I personally don't understand why they give Joe so much criticism but at the end of the day as long as the Ravens plays their game and Joe does his thing what the media thinks is not an issue.

Joe and the offense will do what they need to do and in my view it will come down to the Ravens defence choking the Texans out of the game. I have no doubt that this is exactly what will happen.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326424064' post='945384']


Like Flacco "joked", it doesn't matter what he does, people will never give him his due.
Where was his respect when he went on the road and shredded a tough KC defense last year? Not a peep about that from anyone.

Nobody points out all the drops and other nonsense that held Flacco back the following week @ PIT, people just point to the stat line:

16 - 30, 125 yards and criticize him.

Criticizing Flacco's performance in the playoffs as a rookie would just be asinine; and playing injured in his second year should bear some weight as well.

Mark my words -- if Flacco plays as well as a lot of people are predicting (many Ravens players, Willie McGinnest, Marshall Faulk off the top of my head have said they believe Flacco will make a name for himself this postseason), it will go nearly completely unnoticed.
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You want to know what I honestly think will happen? He will play well against the Texans, and we will win. Then we will play the Patriots and he will go off, throwing 2-3 TD passes, but in the end we will lose because the Patriots put up more points. Then everyone in the media and on this board will say it's Flacco's fault and he's a garbage quarterback, a "real quarterback" would have won the game for his team.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326422898' post='945366']
Flacco wants respect he has to earn it. 4 playoff appearances is one step. Have a statement game, that should earn him some respect. [b]Show that you are capable of putting together a complete game in the playoffs[/b]. I mean the media does have a point. Right now you are just a good regular season Quarterback.
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Uh, last year at Arrowhead? 10th ranked passing defense in the NFL?

[Romo Ravens]

I was watching ESPN yesterday, and this guy from ProFootballTalk was on and made a great point. He said that the common fan thinks that if you're not an elite QB, then you must not be good. He said that Flacco is not nearly as bad as some people might think, and that he is slightly above average, which is a great definition of Flacco so far.

[Corvus]

All of you that are telling Flacco to be quiet and play, you do realize he is OBLIGATED to speak to the media more often than not?

[callahan09]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1326474589' post='945808']
I was watching ESPN yesterday, and this guy from ProFootballTalk was on and made a great point. He said that the common fan thinks that if you're not an elite QB, then you must not be good. He said that Flacco is not nearly as bad as some people might think, and that he is slightly above average, which is a great definition of Flacco so far.
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[b]Joe Flacco[/b]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]Opponent Defenses By Passer Rating Allowed[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#Rank TEAM - Completions/Attempts, Yards, TDs, INTs, Completion %, Yards/Game, QB Rating[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#2 HOU - 279/538, 3035, 18, 17, 51.9%, 189.7, 69.0[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#3 NYJ - 275/507, 3216, 15, 19, 54.2%, 201.0, 69.6[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#4 PIT - 289/530, 2751, 15, 11, 54.5%, 171.9, 71.7[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#4 PIT - 289/530, 2751, 15, 11, 54.5%, 171.9, 71.7[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#5 SF - 333/579, 3695, 20, 23, 57.5%, 230.9, 73.6[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#6 SEA - 324/543, 3518, 18, 22, 59.7%, 219.9, 74.8[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#9 CLE - 265/469, 2959, 16, 9, 56.5%, 184.9, 80.6[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#9 CLE - 265/469, 2959, 16, 9, 56.5%, 184.9, 80.6[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#13 ARI - 340/578, 3696, 17, 10, 58.8%, 231.0, 82.5[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#15 JAC - 326/513, 3341, 21, 17, 63.5%, 208.8, 83.7[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#17 CIN - 319/539, 3385, 21, 10, 59.2%, 211.6, 85.0[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#17 CIN - 319/539, 3385, 21, 10, 59.2%, 211.6, 85.0[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#18 TEN - 369/591, 3629, 21, 11, 62.4%, 226.8, 85.1[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#23 STL -293/484, 3301, 21, 12, 60.5%, 206.3, 87.3[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#27 SD - 299/478, 3591, 29, 17, 62.6%, 224.4, 92.5[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#31 IND - 351/493, 3632, 25, 8, 71.2%, 227.0, 103.9[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]TOTAL: 4935/8380, 52844, 309, 216, 58.9%, 206.4, [i]79.0[/i][/size][/font][/color]

[font="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"][color="#333333"][size=3]Flacco's QB rating for the season was 80.9.[/size][/color][/font]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]Adjusted Rating = (QB Rating / Defensive QB Rating) * 100;[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]Flacco = 80.9 / 79.0 = [u][b]102.4[/b][/u][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]You'd have to look at this as 100.0 being an average performance. So Flacco performed 2.4% above average in 2011.[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3](point being, I suppose you argue that ProFootballTalk is right on the money in calling Flacco "slightly above average"... at least based purely on statsheet numbers from this particular season)[/size][/font][/color]

[ratedr]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1326474589' post='945808']
I was watching ESPN yesterday, and this guy from ProFootballTalk was on and made a great point. He said that the common fan thinks that if you're not an elite QB, then you must not be good. He said that Flacco is not nearly as bad as some people might think, and that he is slightly above average, which is a great definition of Flacco so far.
[/quote]Do you remember who it was?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1326474589' post='945808']
I was watching ESPN yesterday, and this guy from ProFootballTalk was on and made a great point. He said that the common fan thinks that if you're not an elite QB, then you must not be good. He said that Flacco is not nearly as bad as some people might think, and that he is slightly above average, which is a great definition of Flacco so far.
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That's fair. If you rank 32 staring qbs, I'd say top 10 is above average to elite, 11-20 is average to above average, and the rest are below average. I have Flacco ranked somewhere around 10, behind Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Brees, Roethlisberger, Eli, Rivers, Romo, and Shaub (and of course ahead of Matt Ryan).

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1326475354' post='945822']
Do you remember who it was?
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Aaron Schatz

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326475691' post='945830']

That's fair. If you rank 32 staring qbs, I'd say top 10 is above average to elite, 11-20 is average to above average, and the rest are below average. I have Flacco ranked somewhere around 10, behind Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Brees, Roethlisberger, Eli, Rivers, Romo, and Shaub (and of course ahead of Matt Ryan).
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I agree. I'm still on the fence about saying Schaub and Romo are ahead of Flacco, but it does seem appropriate given the numbers of those two QB's over the years. But if we're taking the playoffs into consideration, than Flacco is above them. But I guess it's just all about perception

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1326476897' post='945859']

I agree. I'm still on the fence about saying Schaub and Romo are ahead of Flacco, but it does seem appropriate given the [b]numbers of those two QB's over the years[/b]. But if we're taking the playoffs into consideration, than Flacco is above them. But I guess it's just all about perception
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That's really what I'm basing it on. They've done fairly well over a significant number of years. Flacco has had one very good season, and 3 seasons where there have been ups and downs. I don't like basing anything off one year (see Derek Anderson). To go any higher, I think Flacco needs to show something this postseason and next year. So it's mostly about Flacco being a young quarterback and not having the time to accomplish what these guys ahead of him have. I have also said that if Flacco plays well against Houston and we win, then he goes into Foxborough and has a good game, even if we lose, that's 2 AFCCG's in four years where he's contributed to the team's success, not to mention being a big part of why the Ravens swept the division this year. I'd move him ahead of Shaub and Romo in that case. But for now, considering both his accomplishments and his inconsistency (and knowing how long he would take to develop coming out of Delaware), I'd say top 10 is far better than any of us should have hoped for to this point in his career.

[baltravens]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1326415091' post='945273']

It baffles me how the idiots can't just include some context for these things, they couldn't mention that it was in response to a question about Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens? I wonder how often they mislead me as well.
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What are you referring to as idiotic, his comment?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1326477805' post='945874']
What are you referring to as idiotic, his comment?
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No, what he's saying is Flacco was asked a question, "Are you comfortable with assuming the role of Trent Dilfer?" basically suggesting that he will do nothing but hand the ball off and throw 10 passes, while the defense and Ray Rice win the Superbowl. Flacco responded by saying that (paraphrasing) "You guys may see it that way, but I don't. I feel that I've contributed a lot to the success of this team. If we win, you guys will say it's because of the defense, and if we lose it's all my fault. But I'm okay with that."

Then the spinners turned it into "I don't get enough credit", and that fool Herman Edwards who claimed once upon a time to be a player and a head coach, took the media's side when the FREAKING VIDEO is up on like 2 websites and it's clear Joe was responding and having fun with someone questioning his abilities as a quarterback. That's what's idiotic, that every time Flacco tries to defend himself against criticisms, people turn it into him whining about not getting enough respect. I don't think Joe cares about respect - heck, a lot of the Ravens fans I know don't like him. They want someone "flashy". (Funny, because a lot of the Redskins fans I know from when I lived in DC, and this was his 1st and 2nd years in the league, kept saying they'd kill to have him - and most are still saying it).

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1326474955' post='945814']
[b]Joe Flacco[/b]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]Opponent Defenses By Passer Rating Allowed[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#Rank TEAM - Completions/Attempts, Yards, TDs, INTs, Completion %, Yards/Game, QB Rating[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#2 HOU - 279/538, 3035, 18, 17, 51.9%, 189.7, 69.0[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#3 NYJ - 275/507, 3216, 15, 19, 54.2%, 201.0, 69.6[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#4 PIT - 289/530, 2751, 15, 11, 54.5%, 171.9, 71.7[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#4 PIT - 289/530, 2751, 15, 11, 54.5%, 171.9, 71.7[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#5 SF - 333/579, 3695, 20, 23, 57.5%, 230.9, 73.6[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#6 SEA - 324/543, 3518, 18, 22, 59.7%, 219.9, 74.8[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#9 CLE - 265/469, 2959, 16, 9, 56.5%, 184.9, 80.6[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#9 CLE - 265/469, 2959, 16, 9, 56.5%, 184.9, 80.6[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#13 ARI - 340/578, 3696, 17, 10, 58.8%, 231.0, 82.5[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#15 JAC - 326/513, 3341, 21, 17, 63.5%, 208.8, 83.7[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#17 CIN - 319/539, 3385, 21, 10, 59.2%, 211.6, 85.0[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#17 CIN - 319/539, 3385, 21, 10, 59.2%, 211.6, 85.0[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#18 TEN - 369/591, 3629, 21, 11, 62.4%, 226.8, 85.1[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#23 STL -293/484, 3301, 21, 12, 60.5%, 206.3, 87.3[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#27 SD - 299/478, 3591, 29, 17, 62.6%, 224.4, 92.5[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]#31 IND - 351/493, 3632, 25, 8, 71.2%, 227.0, 103.9[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]TOTAL: 4935/8380, 52844, 309, 216, 58.9%, 206.4, [i]79.0[/i][/size][/font][/color]

[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][color=#333333][size=3]Flacco's QB rating for the season was 80.9.[/size][/color][/font]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]Adjusted Rating = (QB Rating / Defensive QB Rating) * 100;[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]Flacco = 80.9 / 79.0 = [u][b]102.4[/b][/u][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]You'd have to look at this as 100.0 being an average performance. So Flacco performed 2.4% above average in 2011.[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3](point being, I suppose you argue that ProFootballTalk is right on the money in calling Flacco "slightly above average"... at least based purely on statsheet numbers from this particular season)[/size][/font][/color]
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You also have to factor in a game like Arizona where he should have had 3 TDs and 0 picks (three balls that were completed at the 1 yard line) but ended up with 0 TDs and 1 pick (bounced backwards off Torrey's hands to a defender).

Just adding the 3 TDs, removing the pick, and giving Joe the completion for the pick makes his rating in that game 101.0

[callahan09]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326479709' post='945912']

You also have to factor in a game like Arizona where he should have had 3 TDs and 0 picks (three balls that were completed at the 1 yard line) but ended up with 0 TDs and 1 pick (bounced backwards off Torrey's hands to a defender).

Just adding the 3 TDs, removing the pick, and giving Joe the completion for the pick makes his rating in that game 101.0
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I can think of a lot of stuff that happened this season that wasn't Joe Flacco's fault, but the cards just didn't fall quite the right way for it to make his numbers look better, it happened to fall the other way, basically just bad luck as far as Joe's stat sheet is concerned.

[Fricknmaniac]

Geez people are really twisting Joe's comments around to suit their own needs.

On First Take when they were talking about the Ravens/Texans, two of the analysts interpreted these comments that Joe WANTS to throw the ball 50-60 times every game because he's going to PROVE that he's an elite QB. Instead of taking the quotes in context and just saying that he's not an elite QB by their definition BECAUSE he WON'T throw the ball 50-60 times a game.

So basically they trashed Flacco and gave the Texans a huge chance to win because they felt that as a result of those comments, Joe is going to come out and throw 50-60 times in this game.

On some level, I understand the Flacco hate, because he's not a flashy QB who throws for 300 yards and 5 TDs every game, but come on, at least when you're going to trash him for what he says, at least trash him for what he ACTUALLY said instead of what you wish he said.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1326480746' post='945927']
I can think of a lot of stuff that happened this season that wasn't Joe Flacco's fault, but the cards just didn't fall quite the right way for it to make his numbers look better, it happened to fall the other way, basically just bad luck as far as Joe's stat sheet is concerned.
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Right, but I'm not a huge believer that there is a "stat level" that someone needs to reach, I use stats to tell me what happens in a game, and what each player meant to the outcome of the game. What matters to me is at the end of the day, he did a lot to help this team win 12 games and very little to hurt this team over the course of the season. That's what every player, especially the quarterback, needs to do.

[callahan09]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326481293' post='945938']

Right, but I'm not a huge believer that there is a "stat level" that someone needs to reach, I use stats to tell me what happens in a game, and what each player meant to the outcome of the game. What matters to me is at the end of the day, he did a lot to help this team win 12 games and very little to hurt this team over the course of the season. That's what every player, especially the quarterback, needs to do.
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I agree completely.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='margeta2005' timestamp='1326447250' post='945537']

i guess last years KC game doesnt count as the playoffs cause it was a wild card game in the loudest stadium in the nfl (2 tds 110 qb rating) some players obviously will never get the respect they deserve -.-
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Did you say KC? Wow sorry i missed that. Huge game against a mediocre team.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326473806' post='945795']

Uh, last year at Arrowhead? 10th ranked passing defense in the NFL?
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ummmmm KC? Ill stop there.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326486746' post='946026']
ummmmm KC? Ill stop there.
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Um, excuse me, but they were a playoff team, and they do have a good secondary. Ever hear of Eric Berry - made the Pro Bowl last year? Brandon Flowers? Tamba Hali - Pro Bowl outside linebacker, led the AFC in sacks last year? Not an easy group to throw against. But it's just what I'd expect from you. Everyone is good until Flacco beats them, then they can't be good. I guess Troy Polamolu is no good either because Flacco beat his team twice this year? Oh my gosh, look, Adrian Peterson plays for Minnesota, and they haven't done a whole lot recently, therefore he sucks (sarcasm). You really have little respect for guys if they don't make your point, I've noticed. If Flacco beats them, it means they suck. If he screws up, they still suck but it's just that he can't get the job done.

[PuRock]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326486702' post='946023']
Did you say KC? Wow sorry i missed that. Huge game against a mediocre team.
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Going into arrowhead as an opposing QB is tough. Especially when they haven't had a home playoff game in a while. How dare you dismiss that performance.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1326487388' post='946037']

Going into arrowhead as an opposing QB is tough.  Especially when they haven't had a home playoff game in a while.   How dare you dismiss that performance.
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Honestly, what did you expect?!?!?!?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326489298' post='946064']
Honestly, what did you expect?!?!?!?
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That's not the post of the day, though. It goes to Wizard1 - Bill Lambeer and Dennis Rodman were apparently "never" stars.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326489620' post='946075']

That's not the post of the day, though. It goes to Wizard1 - Bill Lambeer and Dennis Rodman were apparently "never" stars.
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Wizard1 is always winning (ridiculous) post of the day around here.

I think you should only be allowed to get the reward once a week.

[BmoreRavens732]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326487222' post='946035']


Um, excuse me, but they were a playoff team, and they do have a good secondary. Ever hear of Eric Berry - made the Pro Bowl last year? Brandon Flowers? Tamba Hali - Pro Bowl outside linebacker, led the AFC in sacks last year? Not an easy group to throw against. But it's just what I'd expect from you. Everyone is good until Flacco beats them, then they can't be good. I guess Troy Polamolu is no good either because Flacco beat his team twice this year? Oh my gosh, look, Adrian Peterson plays for Minnesota, and they haven't done a whole lot recently, therefore he sucks (sarcasm). You really have little respect for guys if they don't make your point, I've noticed. If Flacco beats them, it means they suck. If he screws up, they still suck but it's just that he can't get the job done.
[/quote]well said!!

[Ravenslifer]

Honestly, this is what Flacco needs to say, every time:

6:00-6:08


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H30Afz-V_Ik