Flacco: Speaks About Elite QBs

[3rdcoast]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326388906' post='944805']

Not really. He threw 40+ times in four games this year, and won 3 of them.
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I guess I just looked at your 4 losses. Because there seemed to be a correlation between high passing volume for Flacco/minimal touches from Rice and losing games. I think it's safe to say if Flacco's pass volume considerably trims away touches from Rice there's a good chance for an upset.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326388906' post='944805']

Not really. He threw 40+ times in four games this year, and won 3 of them.
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Actually, throughout his career, a lot of his losses with 40+ attempts were games he played decent or well in and we lost the game anyway. 2009: New England, the Clayton Drop Game, poor rating but he was on the verge of leading us back, Minnesota the missed FG by Houschka, Flacco rating 109.2, etc. He didn't even hit 40 attempts at all in 2010, which should tell Cam Cameron something - Flacco's at his best when throwing between 25-35 passes a game.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='3rdcoast' timestamp='1326391879' post='944875']

I guess I just looked at your 4 losses. Because there seemed to be a correlation between high passing volume for Flacco/[b]minimal touches from Rice [/b]and losing games. I think it's safe to say if Flacco's pass volume considerably trims away touches from Rice there's a good chance for an upset.
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This is the real key. It doesn't really matter the number of Flacco's passing attempts, the key for us is Rice's rushing. Partly because then the defense has to honor the run, but the other part is that one of Flacco's biggest strengths is his ability to run the play-action pass, and if you don't run you don't get play action.

[flynismo]

[quote name='3rdcoast' timestamp='1326391879' post='944875']

I guess I just looked at your 4 losses. Because there seemed to be a correlation between high passing volume for Flacco/minimal touches from Rice and losing games. I think it's safe to say if Flacco's pass volume considerably trims away touches from Rice there's a good chance for an upset.[/quote]


I understand the logic "we have Ray Rice -- use him!"

but in reality, that wont work against certain teams or situations. In fact, Rice has shown a tendency this year to struggle against the really good defenses.

Not to sound like a homer, but this offense is stacked with talent...so much, that there is no real reason to make any one guy, be it Rice, Flacco, Boldin or whoever, the sole focal point of our offense. We have the talent in place to focus on attacking a defense's weaknesses, rather than just hoping to protect / utilize our strengths.

If we are down 2 - 3 scores, Flacco has repeatedly shown that he can throw us back in, just like Rice has shown he can break games wide open, so why not adapt to your opponent rather than focusing on one guy?

Same with Houston. With a healthy Schaub, AJ and Daniels, a defense cant just stuff the box and shut down Foster.

[Magnusmd]

So happy that Boldin is back!!

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326392874' post='944902']

This is the real key. It doesn't really matter the number of Flacco's passing attempts, the key for us is Rice's rushing. Partly because then the defense has to honor the run, but the other part is that one of Flacco's biggest strengths is his ability to run the play-action pass, and if you don't run you don't get play action.[/quote]

i agree with this. If attacking a defense's secondary is our best bet, it does not mean Rice should only get 5 - 10 carries.
No balance equals no success, I dont care who you are.

And that is where the perception comes from that we lose when Flacco throws a lot. It is due to a certain knucklehead who doesn't understand why calling a balanced attack is beneficial to everyone involved.

[callahan09]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326398204' post='944975']
I understand the logic "we have Ray Rice -- use him!"

but in reality, that wont work against certain teams or situations. In fact, Rice has shown a tendency this year to struggle against the really good defenses.

Not to sound like a homer, but this offense is stacked with talent...so much, that there is no real reason to make any one guy, be it Rice, Flacco, Boldin or whoever, the sole focal point of our offense. We have the talent in place to focus on attacking a defense's weaknesses, rather than just hoping to protect / utilize our strengths.

If we are down 2 - 3 scores, Flacco has repeatedly shown that he can throw us back in, just like Rice has shown he can break games wide open, so why not adapt to your opponent rather than focusing on one guy?

Same with Houston. With a healthy Schaub, AJ and Daniels, a defense cant just stuff the box and shut down Foster.
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I agree, and I would like to add that in our games this season where Joe was unable to throw efficiently (read: low completion percentage, as the pundits love pointing out about him this season), it was largely because our receivers have had stints of not getting open at all, or dropping a pass that should've been caught. Some teams, like the Jets, the Titans, and somehow even the Jags managed to just completely take away our receivers, almost nobody was getting anywhere even remotely close to something you could call "open" in any of those 3 games. Flacco also had a few games in their where his O-Line wasn't giving him great protection, and despite this, his sacks were still at a significant career low this season, and that's because he got better at throwing the ball away instead of taking the sack, and of course this hurts his passer rating and completion percentage despite being the better play than taking the damn sack.

[Gordo52]

Joes right, now theyre saying dont worry about the media and focus on the playbook. lol gimme a break

[scrock]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1326387532' post='944766']

Ray Rice doesn't have to run to get touches. That's the beauty of it. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]
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yeah Rice is the best at being a quality receiving option

[scrock]

[quote name='3rdcoast' timestamp='1326391879' post='944875']

I guess I just looked at your 4 losses. Because there seemed to be a correlation between high passing volume for Flacco/minimal touches from Rice and losing games. I think it's safe to say if Flacco's pass volume considerably trims away touches from Rice there's a good chance for an upset.
[/quote]

chances are the Texans D will shut down the run to some extent, Flacco will have to pass, his receivers!! will have to make plays

[Grapple Raven]

I don't know what possessed me to stop on Sportcenter today at 1pm today as I was channel surfing, as I make a concerted effort to avoid ESPN... but I did! Wish I hadn't...it was disgusting...they bring a whole new definition to "taking things out of context"!!! Pathetic!!! In essence the analyst when asked how he felt about Flacco's comments just made a "whinning" noise like a baby and told the other analyst that he liked his socks after disrespecting our QB! Typical!!!

[arnie_uk]

i agree with scrock last statement, i think the texans will look to shut down rice big time and force joe to win it with his arm. If he can get protection, unlike last time where he has harrassed at times, joehas the ability to pick the defense apart.. it depends on what offense shows up for us. They steelers offense, or the jags offense...

[darklight1216]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1326408287' post='945166']
i agree with scrock last statement, i think the texans will look to shut down rice big time and force joe to win it with his arm. If he can get protection, unlike last time where he has harrassed at times, joehas the ability to pick the defense apart.. it depends on what offense shows up for us. [b]They steelers offense, or the jags offense...[/b]
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When I first read that, I thought "both of those offenses suck; how about the Saints?" but then I realized what you did there.

[ratedr]

I just hope they don't try to prove anything about Flacco by minimizing Rice's touches.

[baltravens]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1326375960' post='944578']
I'm watching Mike & Mike in the morning and they play an interview with Flacco talking about how "Elite QBs" throw for so many yards because they don't run the ball. He mention Rodgers and Brady teams never run so they can throw all the time but if the Ravens did that they could win 8 games and when the Ravens lose 1 game. The critics will crucify them for not running...

If anyone can find the interview to post it please do...
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ESPN today asked Herm Edwards what he thought about Flacco's comments, and he just said, "wha" imitating a baby's cry.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1326377523' post='944604']

Yes this is a no win situation. The national media has no vested interest in giving people credit for what they've earned or give more credit to players than they actually deserve (we all know the prime example of this...). They will only spin it the way they want it.

Let your game speak.
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Exactly. Demaryius Thomas earned that TD against Pitt. It was a 10yard completion. Thomas ran the other 70 and stiff armed Ike Turner, I mean Taylor. Where's his credit?

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1326411003' post='945211']
ESPN today asked Herm Edwards what he thought about Flacco's comments, and he just said, "wha" imitating a baby's cry.[/quote]

Herm Edwards is annoying as hell. How many teams was he fired from again? I honestly don't care about his opinions

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1326411003' post='945211']
ESPN today asked Herm Edwards what he thought about Flacco's comments, and he just said, "wha" imitating a baby's cry.
[/quote]

It baffles me how the idiots can't just include some context for these things, they couldn't mention that it was in response to a question about Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens? I wonder how often they mislead me as well.

[JohnJohnson]

There are a lot of Steelers fans nationally, plenty in the media. They don't like the Ravens, and they don't like Flacco. He shouldn't even bother fighting it.

[callahan09]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1326415091' post='945273']

It baffles me how the idiots can't just include some context for these things, they couldn't mention that it was in response to a question about Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens? I wonder how often they mislead me as well.
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Exactly. Herm's response was "Whah" like a baby crying? Pathetic, Herm, simply pathetic. Just tell it like it is: Joe was baited, and he responded with humor, as he always does. He wasn't whining, he was trying to be funny and take a little jab at the media. That's just Joe's personality, it doesn't mean he's being whiney, he's a Jersey boy (I live in New Jersey, by the way), and he likes to do that kind of playful jabbing, joking around. He's got a sense of humor but the media takes everything he says completely seriously and tries to paint him in a bad light, it's pathetic.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Could this be the same Herm Edwards who was a mediocre player for the Eagles whose career was defined by one interception he made to beat the Giants in a playoff game? He did more whining as a head coach than he did winning. Who cares what he thinks? He has a great looking house that he's having built though. Keep hitting the golf balls straight, Herm!

[Guest RBates]

Flacco wants respect he has to earn it. 4 playoff appearances is one step. Have a statement game, that should earn him some respect. Show that you are capable of putting together a complete game in the playoffs. I mean the media does have a point. Right now you are just a good regular season Quarterback.

[JO_75]

Funny thing about the comparisons earlier in the thread about Eli Manning, I don't know why but I always thought Joe would end up similar to Eli, in terms of getting a ton of heat from the media. Everyone said Eli couldn't do it, his brother would always outshine him, yet Eli led a drive against the 18-0 Patriots and won a Super Bowl. Joe on the other hand has had great games but don't get much credit but as soon as he has a bad game get the torches out and just bash away.

Here's what Joe should do next time at a press conference, take the Chris Jericho route and walk up to the podium and just stay silent. If the media asks a question, just stay quiet. After a couple questions Joe should end the press conference by saying... "I'll let my play do the talking" and just walk off.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326422898' post='945366']
Flacco wants respect he has to earn it. 4 playoff appearances is one step. Have a statement game, that should earn him some respect. Show that you are capable of putting together a complete game in the playoffs. I mean the media does have a point. Right now you are just a good regular season Quarterback.
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Like Flacco "joked", it doesn't matter what he does, people will never give him his due.
Where was his respect when he went on the road and shredded a tough KC defense last year? Not a peep about that from anyone.

Nobody points out all the drops and other nonsense that held Flacco back the following week @ PIT, people just point to the stat line:

16 - 30, 125 yards and criticize him.

Criticizing Flacco's performance in the playoffs as a rookie would just be asinine; and playing injured in his second year should bear some weight as well.

Mark my words -- if Flacco plays as well as a lot of people are predicting (many Ravens players, Willie McGinnest, Marshall Faulk off the top of my head have said they believe Flacco will make a name for himself this postseason), it will go nearly completely unnoticed.

[sliceanddic3]

I swear listening to the media talk about Flacco is like listening to JB on repeat strapped to an electric chair.

[jonnyb]

I'm a big fan. Too bad Suggs revels on mocking the word of God on TV, worshipping himself and other influences. Go Ravens; trade Suggs.

[Greatness]

I know Flacco's the man. Most of you know Flacco's the man. [b]When[/b] we win the Superbowl on Feb 5th 2012, the world will know that Joe Flacco is indeed... The Man! Man!

[Militant X 1]

Joe...show'em what an "elite" QB looks like in your gameplay on Sunday by winning! enuf said!

~Mili

[flynismo]

I have a great feeling about this game and Joe. In fact, this post season and Joe. I think we are going to see the blossoming of something very, very special in the coming weeks.

[i82much]

Similar situation with Sizzle's comments recently. Human communication has a substantial non-verbal component. Watch the video of Flacco (or of Sizzle), you come away realizing it was just joshing around. Write their exact words down on paper and suddenly it communicates a very different message. Trust me, I know all about this from making ill-advised jokes to ex-girlfriends over email that probably would have went over just fine over the telephone. But I digress.