Cam Cameron Vs Wade Phillips

[gabefergy]

I think its interesting to look at how coordinators match up against each other and how they have performed head to head in the past. However, Wade and Cam had not actually coached against each other as assistants until this season where Cam "won". In 2007 Cam and Wade coached against each other as HC's and Wade won, but in 2008 Cam's offense got the better of the Cowboys (although Wade was not the DC).

What makes this match-up particularly interesting is that Cam and Wade were both coordinators under Marty Schottenheimer in San Diego from 2004-2006. So there is definitely a lot of familiarity between them. So who has the advantage here?

[CalvinSmoke]

Yea that is a pretty cool thing that they both coached with eachother in San Diego. (Marty shouldn't have got fired but i'll rant about that another day). But Cam plays to win, he won't worry about numbers, i feel that our team is going to lean on the defense to put this game as always. I think it's more Pagano vs Kubiak.

[T3hRaven]

Wasn't 2008 the year Wade took over play-calling on defense towards the end of the season? Wade is a better defensive coordinator than Cam is an offensive coordinator anyway, and he really wasn't that bad of a head coach. His personality was just wrong to work with the diva Cowboys, a team like that would tear any players' coach apart.

[Jamal]

Wade = excellent DC

Cam = terrible at everything

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1326170894' post='941839']
Wade = excellent DC

Cam = terrible at everything
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I wouldnt have expected any other reply from you lol

I just think its interesting that they were both assistants for a while together. They probably know each other's tendencies, and up to this point Cam has had the upper hand in my opinion.

[True]

Ravens were able to move the ball on them and had some big plays but had to settle for 5 FGs. Cam has to improve in the red-zone play calling, my guess is using the Diesel package to create mismatches with the TEs.

[ravensfan2430]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1326155088' post='941494']
Yea that is a pretty cool thing that they both coached with eachother in San Diego. (Marty shouldn't have got fired but i'll rant about that another day). But Cam plays to win, he won't worry about numbers, i feel that our team is going to lean on the defense to put this game as always. I think it's more Pagano vs Kubiak.
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I'd argue that Cam does not play to win as the offsense seems to get extremely conservative in the second half of these games.

[IMissMattStover]

Im not terribly fond of either of them.

[Texunsss]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1326170894' post='941839']
Wade = excellent DC

Cam = terrible at everything
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lololol. Thanks for the laugh. I dont know much about Cam, but after reading the boards I did do a little research and it seems most Raven fans are displeased with this dude. Don't worry though, most Texan fans cant stand our HC.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Texunsss' timestamp='1326214280' post='942200']

lololol. Thanks for the laugh. I dont know much about Cam, but after reading the boards I did do a little research and it seems most Raven fans are displeased with this dude. Don't worry though, most Texan fans cant stand our HC.
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No one's happy with anything ever in the NFL unless you're top 5 in every category. It's stupid.

[Suggs Package]

I'd say Cam has the advantage, especially in the running game. Its funny how Cam never gets credit for establishing a successful running game, and yet he always gets blamed for the inconsistent passing game. He should either all of the blame/credit or none of it. But anyway.

In the only game Cam has lost to Wade in any capacity, with his 07 futile Miami Dolphins. He had a declining Trent Green at QB. The final score was 37-20. Miami actually led in the third quarter though, so it wasn't one of those score in garbage time games. Miami actually had a chance to win up until maybe 4 minutes left in the game.

Here are the scores from all the other games.
2008 @ Dallas - 33-24
2011 @ Houston - 29-14

In 2007 and 2008, Wade was a head coach, not a coordinator; Cam was a head coach on 07, but their general principles and philosophies trickled down to their coordinators. Also Wade called the plays in the 2008 game against the Ravens.

in 2007, 2008, and 2011, Dallas and Houston were in the top ten in weighted defense according to Football Outsiders. In 2007 and 2008, Miami and Baltimore were ranked 20th or worse and still managed to average 26.5 points against him. In 2011, when we have an above average offense, we put up 29.

I'd say Cam has Wade's number. He's proven he can score on Wade's top ten defenses with substandard offenses. With an above average offense, it should be no question.

[Texunsss]

[quote name='Suggs Package' timestamp='1326215227' post='942215']
I'd say Cam has the advantage, especially in the running game. Its funny how Cam never gets credit for establishing a successful running game, and yet he always gets blamed for the inconsistent passing game. He should either all of the blame/credit or none of it. But anyway.

In the only game Cam has lost to Wade in any capacity, with his 07 futile Miami Dolphins. He had a declining Trent Green at QB. The final score was 37-20. Miami actually led in the third quarter though, so it wasn't one of those score in garbage time games. Miami actually had a chance to win up until maybe 4 minutes left in the game.

Here are the scores from all the other games.
2008 @ Dallas - 33-24
2011 @ Houston - 29-14

In 2007 and 2008, Wade was a head coach, not a coordinator; Cam was a head coach on 07, but their general principles and philosophies trickled down to their coordinators. Also Wade called the plays in the 2008 game against the Ravens.

in 2007, 2008, and 2011, Dallas and Houston were in the top ten in weighted defense according to Football Outsiders. In 2007 and 2008, Miami and Baltimore were ranked 20th or worse and still managed to average 26.5 points against him. In 2011, when we have an above average offense, we put up 29.

I'd say Cam has Wade's number. He's proven he can score on Wade's top ten defenses with substandard offenses. With an above average offense, it should be no question.
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Nah bro, Wade has the advantage here, especially with the distraction of interviewing for a HC job 2 days before the game.....lol

[PuRock]

[quote name='Texunsss' timestamp='1326215328' post='942218']


Nah bro, Wade has the advantage here, especially with the distraction of interviewing for a HC job 2 days before the game.....lol
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I agree with the Texans on this one. Wade at DC has helped make that defense. He has completely turned around that D from last year. Houston struggled on D last year, this year they are a whole new beast.

Wade will make adjustments if our O starts working, I worry about Cam doing the same.

[bpytnjr58]

Cam will just have to be more patient with the run game because if he has Flacco throwing all over the field it will be a disaster...just like in Cincinnati Cam will be coaching for his job on Sunday.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1326215919' post='942230']
I agree with the Texans on this one. Wade at DC has helped make that defense. He has completely turned around that D from last year. Houston struggled on D last year, this year they are a whole new beast.

Wade will make adjustments if our O starts working, I worry about Cam doing the same.
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They also [b]vastly[/b] improved their personnel, its a whole revitalization of their defense.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1326239048' post='942897']
They also [b]vastly[/b] improved their personnel, its a whole revitalization of their defense.
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Ya, spent their first 3 round picks on guys who all contribute and signed a top 10 corner. Im actually surprised they let Pollard go, he seems a better fit in a 34 defense, less ground to cover.

Phillips is without a doubt a very good DC however.

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

Cam's been doing pretty good recently. I think this game will have less to do with how well our offense does against their defense and more with how our defense will do against their offense. I think no matter what, we'll be able to put at least 3 TD's on them. The real question is can TJ Yates resemble an NFL quarterback against our defense.

[doc108]

[quote name='RayRiceRunningfortheRavns' timestamp='1326239760' post='942911']
Cam's been doing pretty good recently. I think this game will have less to do with how well our offense does against their defense and more with how our defense will do against their offense. I think no matter what, we'll be able to put at least 3 TD's on them. The real question is can TJ Yates resemble an NFL quarterback against our defense.
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I really don't think you score 3 td's on us. @ probably. The real question is can we score that much on your great D.

[Militant X 1]

believe it or not...i am gonna have to go with our boy Cam on this one. i believe that he will break out of his "conservative" shell and play to win every playoff game. wow...did i just say that? lol! i believe that we'll see more screens, draws, pitches, slants and tosses. and now that Boldin is back...i expect to see more 3-4 WR sets along with our 2TE sets throughout the playoffs.

go get'em Cam!

~Mili

[PuRock]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1326257007' post='943178']
believe it or not...i am gonna have to go with our boy Cam on this one. i believe that he will break out of his "conservative" shell and play to win every playoff game. wow...did i just say that? lol! i believe that we'll see more screens, draws, pitches, slants and tosses. and now that Boldin is back...i expect to see more 3-4 WR sets along with our 2TE sets throughout the playoffs.

go get'em Cam!

~Mili
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2 TE sets make the most sense. Keep Cushing on his toes and occupied. Cushing has done a great job of run stopping this year. Gotta keep him distracted with options.

[BmoreRavens732]

Its not that cam aint smart hes just a [profanity deleted]!!! I think the conservative cam goes away and the slick cam shows up because as much as I hate to say it hes good when he wants to be

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Suggs Package' timestamp='1326215227' post='942215']
I'd say Cam has the advantage, especially in the running game. Its funny how Cam never gets credit for establishing a successful running game, and yet he always gets blamed for the inconsistent passing game. He should either all of the blame/credit or none of it. But anyway.

In the only game Cam has lost to Wade in any capacity, with his 07 futile Miami Dolphins. He had a declining Trent Green at QB. The final score was 37-20. Miami actually led in the third quarter though, so it wasn't one of those score in garbage time games. Miami actually had a chance to win up until maybe 4 minutes left in the game.

Here are the scores from all the other games.
2008 @ Dallas - 33-24
2011 @ Houston - 29-14

In 2007 and 2008, Wade was a head coach, not a coordinator; Cam was a head coach on 07, but their general principles and philosophies trickled down to their coordinators. Also Wade called the plays in the 2008 game against the Ravens.

in 2007, 2008, and 2011, Dallas and Houston were in the top ten in weighted defense according to Football Outsiders. In 2007 and 2008, Miami and Baltimore were ranked 20th or worse and still managed to average 26.5 points against him. In 2011, when we have an above average offense, we put up 29.

I'd say Cam has Wade's number. He's proven he can score on Wade's top ten defenses with substandard offenses. With an above average offense, it should be no question.
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That was impressive research to back-up your opinion.

I'm a bit wary of playoff Cam Cameron though.