The Final Word On Joe's Season (Stats)

[AmericanSatire]

Here are a couple of the screenshots I got from the highlights; in these videos, please tell me where Joe is supposed to "take off" out of the pocket...
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/42171653/joe1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/42171653/joe2.jpg[/img]

[Alexir]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1326760137' post='954428']

I'll say it again, Flacco played pretty good. So did Boldin, definitely. The offensive line was horrendous which is why we couldn't get anything going - see Ray Rice's 60 yards and our failed goal-line/short-yardage attempts.

Defense has always reigned supreme in Baltimore, but this team is still the most balanced in the NFL - right up there with the Giants.



I don't think he, or the offense, are made for that. It puts a lot of pressure on our D to shut down Brady and the Pats but they're a great unit, something our offense most definitely isn't.
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I think the 49ers are pretty balanced as well.

I think the defense can hold the pats to around 24 points, can we score 25+ for the win? Run Ray Run!

[Alexir]

[quote name='AmericanSatire' timestamp='1326760188' post='954429']
Here are a couple of the screenshots I got from the highlights; in these videos, please tell me where Joe is supposed to "take off" out of the pocket...
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/42171653/joe1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/42171653/joe2.jpg[/img]
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The bottom one really doesn't show much room for anything so I ll agree with you there. But the top one shows a 3 man rush...he could of easily escaped that one....

[berad]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326760327' post='954433']
I think the 49ers are pretty balanced as well.

I think the defense can hold the pats to around 24 points, can we score 25+ for the win? Run Ray Run!
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Our offense trumps theirs and, frankly, so does our defense. It's no secret that RR is a huge element of our success, he's an amazingly talented player - he's the starter in the Pro Bowl, posted his second 2,000+ scrimmage-yards season and he's only in his third season as a starter.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326758599' post='954372']

5 drops? I would say 3 at the most, that one "drop" by dickson was behind him and he had to contort his body around. Aaron Rodgers had some drops too but he knew when he had to make plays with his feet. If this is Joes second year, I would of been happy for his performance. But its not. He has over 70 games under his belt, and has failed to show any sort of consistency or the ability to read a defense.
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Oh lord....the Dickson pass should have been caught. It was SLIGHTLY behind him, but there was no "contort(ing)". You say others make "excuses". What's that then?

[AmericanSatire]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326760445' post='954435']
The bottom one really doesn't show much room for anything so I ll agree with you there. But the top one shows a 3 man rush...he could of easily escaped that one....
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[font=comic sans ms,cursive]That is the one where the ball wound up getting stripped out. The defender at the top is splitting the linemen, the one on the bottom is already reaching. So, say Joe does manage to escape, now where? Up field? You got a linebacker at the line of scrimmage. And you can't just look at the guys in white jerseys, those bodies in purple don't just vanish when you try to go thru them.[/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]So, we can agree to disagree on that one.[/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]EDIT: There is also another defender behind Flacco, he's just covered up by Joe.[/font]

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326758826' post='954380']
Because the Texans knew if they take Rice out we will fail. I'll say it again, If jones doesn't fumble, we don't win this game. Joe didn't play good enough, he needs to step up next week, our whole offense does, dunno how you can blame the offensive line for all of those sacks, yeah they were running a lot of stunts and overpowering the right side but how can you say Flacco was not to blame? its ignorant and it 's getting old.
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No, what is ignorant and old is the constant whining about nothing. A few days ago we had to spend like five pages explaining why a perfectly thrown pass bouncing off of Torrey's chest and getting intercepted as a result is not Flacco's fault. So, I'm sorry, but I cant take that comment seriously.

As for how can we blame the OL for all of those sacks? Is that a serious question? Is that not their sole reason for existence (as well as run blocking)? When two and three guys are sacking Flacco simaltaneously, it is beyond ridiculous to expect anyone to "make plays with their feet". Why couldn't Rice make plays with his feet when he had two or three guys pounding him??

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326759178' post='954392']

They definitely struggled, I can admit that. They played like crap but the WHOLE offense is to blame and that includes Joe. Joe put the ball on the ground twice, once on a strip and once on a bad handoff (Rice was to blame as well). Aaron Rodgers doesn't have a great offensive line either, yet he can move around and buy some time. Big Ben has the worst offensive line, yet he can keep plays going.

So for Flacco to be considered good, we need our offensive line, ray rice and our receivers on their best outings? Sounds pretty high maintenance.
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Bad handoff? First the Dickson drop was on Flacco and now the hand off too? Holy crap...go look again, man. We've had some good conversations over the years, but man, you are dead wrong on a ton right now. I am not even excusing Flacco for the fumble, couple missed throws, not taking off 1 or 2 times like I would have liked to see, but the Dickson drop and Rice fumble were not on Flacco one iota!

[flynismo]

[quote name='AmericanSatire' timestamp='1326760647' post='954443']
[font=comic sans ms,cursive]That is the one where the ball wound up getting stripped out. The defender at the top is splitting the linemen, the one on the bottom is already reaching. So, say Joe does manage to escape, now where? Up field? You got a linebacker at the line of scrimmage. And you can't just look at the guys in white jerseys, those bodies in purple don't just vanish when you try to go thru them.[/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]So, we can agree to disagree on that one.[/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]EDIT: There is also another defender behind Flacco, he's just covered up by Joe.[/font]
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Dude...
that font is killing me.

[AmericanSatire]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326760824' post='954450']

No, what is ignorant and old is the constant whining about nothing. A few days ago we had to spend like five pages explaining why a perfectly thrown pass bouncing off of Torrey's chest and getting intercepted as a result is not Flacco's fault. So, I'm sorry, but I cant take that comment seriously.

As for how can we blame the OL for all of those sacks? Is that a serious question? Is that not their sole reason for existence (as well as run blocking)? When two and three guys are sacking Flacco simaltaneously, it is beyond ridiculous to expect anyone to "make plays with their feet". Why couldn't Rice make plays with his feet when he had two or three guys pounding him??
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[font=comic sans ms,cursive]I think the pictures I supplied prove that point. ^5[/font]

[AmericanSatire]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326760962' post='954454']
Dude...
that font is killing me.
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[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Um, sorry?[/font]

[flynismo]

[quote name='AmericanSatire' timestamp='1326761011' post='954456']
[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Um, sorry?[/font]
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it's good, lol...it can be like your trademark. You can be "the guy with the crazy font" haha

[AmericanSatire]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326761331' post='954467']

it's good, lol...it can be like your trademark. You can be "the guy with the crazy font" haha
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[font=comic sans ms,cursive]You know what's crazy... is the fact I have to highlight and change it every time. I wonder if the Mods would be so kind as to tell me how to default it so I don't have to change it. Is that an option?[/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Anywho, I think RBates & Alexir are done bashing Flacco for this evening.[/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Just an FYI to all Flacco-Haters -- that's not a #5 on his chest... that's an "S". NOW WHAT?! SAY SOMETHING![/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]I need to cutback on the cherry Coke.[/font]

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326759772' post='954415']
He played fine
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Was that so hard??

Do ya feel better now? I'm glad you finally said this, now I can take your criticisms of him a little more seriously.

[flynismo]

Take notes everyone. THIS is how you talk smack!



[quote name='AmericanSatire' timestamp='1326761508' post='954470']
[font=comic sans ms,cursive]that's not a #5 on his chest... that's an "S". NOW WHAT?! SAY SOMETHING![/font]
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[AmericanSatire]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326762229' post='954486']
Take notes everyone. THIS is how you talk smack!
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[font=comic sans ms,cursive]I may have to use that for my next Joe Flacco sig image.[/font]

[Ed_Reed20]

Just watched all five sacks the team gave up. I'd definitely put the first one in the third quarter on Joe as he could have thrown to ball to either Torrey or Rice.

It's shameful how quickly the pocket collapsed on the second third quarter sack and the one in the fourth quarter though.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326762889' post='954499']
Just watched all five sacks the team gave up. I'd definitely put the first one in the third quarter on Joe as he could have thrown to ball to either Torrey or Rice.

It's shameful how quickly the pocket collapsed on the second third quarter sack and the one in the fourth quarter though.
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That's what I said during the game. There were one or two instances where he should have thrown the ball away, one or two instances where he should have took off running and a throw or two off the mark. But guess what? That's an NFL QB. No one QB is perfect. Overall, with what was given to him/not given to him, he played well and did what we needed him to do in order to win the game.

Hopefully, he shreds NE's secondary apart OR Rice just simply goes off again and we don't need Flacco to do anything. Either works for me!

[Ravenslifer]

I still can't believe this. Dilfer said Flacco had a great game. So did Bradshaw. Are people now not taking the words of longtime NFL quarterbacks seriously? The only guy who would not shut up was "Prime Time" - that's it. Irvin threw Flacco under the bus a bit, that I didn't understand. But for the most part, media people and others actually said good things about him. All the people who watched the game and then went onto NFL.com gave him a 3.5 out of five stars, and you know there are bitter Bengals, Browns, and especially Steelers and probably Texans fans that gave him a terrible rating just out of spite. A lot of people said positive things. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, because while all of the talking head and media vultures speculate, I know Ozzie, Eric, and Steve will have already dissected every play of the film. They know what Flacco did, they know how good it was. And hopefully they have enough evidence from this season to see that he AT LEAST needs a new Quarterback Coach, and at best they replace Cam outright. I'm finished discussing all of this. Joe was inconsistent this season, but so was everyone else. At the end of the day, he got us to 2 AFCCGs in 4 years (and please do not bring up Sanchez, we all know), and we have a great shot to go to the Superbowl this year, thanks to ALL of the players, including Joe. Cut the crap and lets support the team on their roadtrip to New England.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326759399' post='954400']

Are the drops Flacco's fault?
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Where are all these drops i hear about? Throwing behind a receiver is no easy catch. One could argue that Joseph had Torrey strapped all game. Not easy catches. What im really talking about with Joe's play is his constant inability to move this offense. TJ Yates actually had drives down the field, Flacco was just lucky he got turnovers....... Some times i wonder if we all watch the same game. He was pitiful against Houston. 90 something QB rating lmao.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326800503' post='954903']

Where are all these drops i hear about? Throwing behind a receiver is no easy catch. One could argue that Joseph had Torrey strapped all game. Not easy catches. What im really talking about with Joe's play is his constant inability to move this offense. TJ Yates actually had drives down the field, Flacco was just lucky he got turnovers....... [b]Some times i wonder if we all watch the same game.[/b] He was pitiful against Houston. 90 something QB rating lmao.
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Trust me, we all think the same thing anytime you start rambling on...

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326762089' post='954483']


Was that so hard??

Do ya feel better now? I'm glad you finally said this, now I can take your criticisms of him a little more seriously.
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fine and great is totally different. fine and good is totally different. i stand by my opinion that he is a game manager and nothing more. I would have him over half the other qbs in the league but I would take almost a half over him.

[callahan09]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326757921' post='954347']
Just when do the excuses end? Yeah the offensive line wasn't great but there are still times where he can get the ball off. Ranking the 4 QBs left, he is definitely behind Alex Smith. Let's see how Flukko plays against the 31st place defense. Oh wait, if he does have a bad game there will be another excuse....

Im fine that my opinion matches that of several ex nfl players and coaches, that must mean they are all stupid right? He is in his 4th year and sometimes HE needs to make some plays instead of having his receivers and Rice doing it for him.

Needs to show more of the Flacco at KC or PItt than the Flacco weve gotten for the most of this year.
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To call the Patriots the 31st ranked defense is basing it entirely on yards per game allowed. That is an absolutely ridiculous way to judge a defense. You can't just call them the 2nd worst defense in the league because of one statistic. The Patriots defense are one of the most opportunistic units in the league, ranking 3rd in the regular season for takeaways. They are in the top half of the league for points per game allowed. It won't be easy to go into Foxborough for the biggest game of any season for a home team's fans, the Conference Championship game, and go up against the 2nd best team in the league at intercepting the football.

[callahan09]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326759178' post='954392']
They definitely struggled, I can admit that. They played like crap but the WHOLE offense is to blame and that includes Joe. Joe put the ball on the ground twice, once on a strip and once on a bad handoff (Rice was to blame as well). Aaron Rodgers doesn't have a great offensive line either, yet he can move around and buy some time. Big Ben has the worst offensive line, yet he can keep plays going.

[u][b]So for Flacco to be considered good, we need our offensive line, ray rice and our receivers on their best outings? Sounds pretty high maintenance.[/b][/u]
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I love how you're implying that there is even such a thing as a quarterback in this league who is going to put in a good-looking performance when his offensive line, his running backs, and his receivers are playing badly. Does Flacco have to be able to play every position on the field by himself in order to be considered a good player?

[Ravenslifer]

Here's one more stat to add: Joe Flacco becomes the only quarterback in NFL history to start and win a playoff game in his first 4 NFL seasons.

[callahan09]

Since Harbaugh and Flacco joined this team (the past 4 seasons), they have officially:

1. Had a winning season every season.
2. Made the play-offs every season.
3. Made the divisional round of the playoffs every season.
4. Won a play-off game every season.
5. Made the championship game in the playoffs 2 out of 4 seasons (50%).

And here's a new one I just realized:

Every play-off loss through their first 4 seasons has come at the hands of the AFC representative in the Super Bowl (Steelers, Colts, Steelers, and this year either we make the Super Bowl, or we lose to the Patriots who will then go on to the Super Bowl).

[BmoreRavens732]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326809577' post='954950']

Trust me, we all think the same thing anytime you start rambling on...
[/quote]not only that..hes laughing at joes Qb rating as if a 97 isnt good smh

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='BmoreRavens732' timestamp='1326831476' post='955509']
not only that..hes laughing at joes Qb rating as if a 97 isnt good smh
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Against the best defense he could possibly face in the postseason outside of Pittsburgh and San Fransisco, as well.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326831807' post='955527']

Against the best defense he could possibly face in the postseason outside of Pittsburgh and San Fransisco, as well.
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That makes 12 of 17 games against top 10 defenses. The most possible would've been 14 out of 17.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326817269' post='955109']
fine and great is totally different. fine and good is totally different. [u][i][b]i stand by my opinion that he is a game manager and nothing more[/b][/i][/u]. I would have him over half the other qbs in the league but I would take almost a half over him.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but saying that Flacco is "a game manager and nothing more" is ridiculous. He has, at times, been a game manager because that is what has been asked of him. This is probably a good move given the limited receiving resources that are on the roster at the present time. But, he has physical attributes and skills that give him the potential to be much more, as he has proven at times when needed. And I stand by the statement that if he had the receiving corps that many of the named "elite" QBs of the league have, his detractors would have nothing to talk about.