The Final Word On Joe's Season (Stats)

[AmericanSatire]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]How exactly is Joe supposed to take off running out of the pocket when it is collapsing all around him? How is he supposed to take off up field when J.J. Watt is lying in wait.[/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]For all the Flacco-haters, face the facts -- our O-Line got outplayed on Sunday and Joe made the best out of their lemons, the WRs lemons, Rice's lemons. Boldin watered it down. Our Defense added the sugar.[/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Mmm-MMM! Lemonade!! I'M DRINKING IT!!![/font]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive]~ American Satire[/font]

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326758008' post='954351']
Ray Rice got shutdown and we still won because Jacoby Jones puts the rock on the ground on the 2 yard line and Lardarius Webb gets a pick in great field position. Besides those 2 great TD passes, our offense struggled on natural drives....you are foolish to think our offense was good this game...
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The OFFENSE was not good. Flacco was. Everyone on offense not named Flacco or Boldin did not do their jobs out there.

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326758242' post='954360']


What excuses? The FIVE drops? I wont bother debating that with you, because you'll claim Flacco is responsible for them since he is the one who threw the pass. But, humor me. If not for those drops, 19/27 for somewhere around 250 - 275 yards, 2 TD and 0 INT is pretty damn stunning against a top 3 defense, especially in light of the fact Flacco got NO protection. Can you at least acknowledge that, or is that asking too much?
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5 drops? I would say 3 at the most, that one "drop" by dickson was behind him and he had to contort his body around. Aaron Rodgers had some drops too but he knew when he had to make plays with his feet. If this is Joes second year, I would of been happy for his performance. But its not. He has over 70 games under his belt, and has failed to show any sort of consistency or the ability to read a defense.

[AmericanSatire]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326758432' post='954365']


The OFFENSE was not good. Flacco was. Everyone on offense not named Flacco or Boldin did not do their jobs out there.
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[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Holy crap! Someone else saw the same game I did!![/font]

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326754889' post='954251']

Really? Rice got shut down and we still won.
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Flacco minus the big play on special teams, and TJ yates first INT would have gotten beat by a first year guy. Nursing a four point lead, couldn't move the ball at all. I dont wanna hear about the drops.........smh

[AmericanSatire]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326758599' post='954372']
5 drops? I would say 3 at the most, that one "drop" by dickson was behind him and he had to contort his body around. Aaron Rodgers had some drops too but he knew when he had to make plays with his feet. If this is Joes second year, I would of been happy for his performance. But its not. He has over 70 games under his belt, and has failed to show any sort of consistency or the ability to read a defense.
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[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Watch the game again and you show me exactly where Joe was supposed to take off to make a play with his feet. Show me ONE example.[/font]

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326758432' post='954365']


The OFFENSE was not good. Flacco was. Everyone on offense not named Flacco or Boldin did not do their jobs out there.
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Because the Texans knew if they take Rice out we will fail. I'll say it again, If jones doesn't fumble, we don't win this game. Joe didn't play good enough, he needs to step up next week, our whole offense does, dunno how you can blame the offensive line for all of those sacks, yeah they were running a lot of stunts and overpowering the right side but how can you say Flacco was not to blame? its ignorant and it 's getting old.

When we get a Win, it goes on Flacco's stat sheet, when we lose, everyone else is to blame? lol wow, Rice and the offensive line have won us games more than they've lost them for us.

[Alexir]

[quote name='AmericanSatire' timestamp='1326758798' post='954379']
[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Watch the game again and you show me exactly where Joe was supposed to take off to make a play with his feet. Show me ONE example.[/font]
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When it was just him and JJ Watt and Joe had 15 yards infront of him yet he ran sideways and threw the ball away. He could of picked up a few.

[AmericanSatire]

RBates / Alexir:
[font=comic sans ms,cursive]I find it amazing that both of you cannot bring yourselves to admit our O-Line were the reason for all of our troubles yesterday.[/font]

[AmericanSatire]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326758886' post='954382']
When it was just him and JJ Watt and Joe had 15 yards infront of him yet he ran sideways and threw the ball away. He could of picked up a few.
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[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Not trying to be a smarty pants here, but can you tell me about when this was in the game? Watt was all over him the entire game.[/font]

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326758714' post='954376']
Flacco minus the big play on special teams, and TJ yates first INT would have gotten beat by a first year guy. Nursing a four point lead, couldn't move the ball at all. I dont wanna hear about the drops.........smh
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Stop dealing in hypothetical scenarios. It's a team game. The special teams and defense forced turnovers and the offense capitalized, like they're supposed to. They didn't play a good game but ultimately, predictable play-calling, the inability to run the football and poor o-line play were at the center of the offense's problems, not Joe.

You can lump me in with your list of "Flacco supporters". I could care less. When Joe plays like crap, I'm not afraid to call him out. Yesterday wasn't one of those situations.

And why exactly don't you want to hear about the drops?

[Alexir]

[quote name='AmericanSatire' timestamp='1326758940' post='954384']
RBates / Alexir:
[font=comic sans ms,cursive]I find it amazing that both of you cannot bring yourselves to admit our O-Line were the reason for all of our troubles yesterday.[/font]
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They definitely struggled, I can admit that. They played like crap but the WHOLE offense is to blame and that includes Joe. Joe put the ball on the ground twice, once on a strip and once on a bad handoff (Rice was to blame as well). Aaron Rodgers doesn't have a great offensive line either, yet he can move around and buy some time. Big Ben has the worst offensive line, yet he can keep plays going.

So for Flacco to be considered good, we need our offensive line, ray rice and our receivers on their best outings? Sounds pretty high maintenance.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326758008' post='954351']
Ray Rice got shutdown and we still won because Jacoby Jones puts the rock on the ground on the 2 yard line and Lardarius Webb gets a pick in great field position. Besides those 2 great TD passes, our offense struggled on natural drives....you are foolish to think our offense was good this game...
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When did I say they were good?

Oh yeah, I didn't.

[Alexir]

[quote name='AmericanSatire' timestamp='1326759005' post='954387']
[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Not trying to be a smarty pants here, but can you tell me about when this was in the game? Watt was all over him the entire game.[/font]
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Believe it was 2nd quarter, it was on the top of the screen, Watt was about 6 yards away, and Joe had about 15 yards where he could of ran up. Illl see if i can find the spot in the highlights

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326759178' post='954392']
They definitely struggled, I can admit that. They played like crap but the WHOLE offense is to blame and that includes Joe. Joe put the ball on the ground twice, once on a strip and [b]once on a bad handoff [/b](Rice was to blame as well). Aaron Rodgers doesn't have a great offensive line either, yet he can move around and buy some time. Big Ben has the worst offensive line, yet he can keep plays going.

So for Flacco to be considered good, we need our offensive line, ray rice and our receivers on their best outings? Sounds pretty high maintenance.
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Thats a joke. The handoff hit Rice in the gut.

[berad]

Flacco had a pretty good game yesterday. Did I miss something? No turnovers, 2 TDs, posted a 97 QB rating - he played pretty well.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326759178' post='954392']
They definitely struggled, I can admit that. They played like crap but the WHOLE offense is to blame and that includes Joe. Joe put the ball on the ground twice, once on a strip and once on a bad handoff (Rice was to blame as well). Aaron Rodgers doesn't have a great offensive line either, yet he can move around and buy some time. Big Ben has the worst offensive line, yet he can keep plays going.

So for Flacco to be considered good, we need our offensive line, ray rice and our receivers on their best outings? Sounds pretty high maintenance.
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I dont even know if Ive seen the Steelers Oline get that obliterated on run and pass plays. That was single handedly one of the worst protection games from Baltimore I've ever seen. But I mean its on Cam to do SOMETHING to slow the pass rush, draws, WR screens, TE screens, quick slants, quick outs, timing routes. DO SOMETHING. Don't just let your QB get absolutely murdered.

[The Raven]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326758714' post='954376']
Flacco minus the big play on special teams, and TJ yates first INT would have gotten beat by a first year guy. Nursing a four point lead, couldn't move the ball at all. I dont wanna hear about the drops.........smh
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Are the drops Flacco's fault?

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326759103' post='954389']

Stop dealing in hypothetical scenarios. It's a team game. The special teams and defense forced turnovers and the offense capitalized, like they're supposed to. They didn't play a good game but ultimately, predictable play-calling, the inability to run the football and poor o-line play were at the center of the offense's problems, not Joe.

You can lump me in with your list of "Flacco supporters". I could care less. When Joe plays like crap, I'm not afraid to call him out. Yesterday wasn't one of those situations.

And why exactly don't you want to hear about the drops?
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so would 5 drops that should been caught being tied into yardage and a completion percentage a hypothetical situation?lol

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326759178' post='954392']
They definitely struggled, I can admit that. They played like crap but the WHOLE offense is to blame and that includes Joe. Joe put the ball on the ground twice, once on a strip and once on a bad handoff (Rice was to blame as well). Aaron Rodgers doesn't have a great offensive line either, yet he can move around and buy some time. Big Ben has the worst offensive line, yet he can keep plays going.

So for Flacco to be considered good, we need our offensive line, ray rice and our receivers on their best outings? Sounds pretty high maintenance.
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Dude, you really just need to relax. You don't seem to understand that QBs can't always carry the team by themselves against a good defense. And we were playing an extremely good defense. Rodgers had trouble with the Giants. Brady had trouble with us in the playoffs, and had trouble with the Jets last year. Just because Flacco didn't do enough for your liking doesn't mean he's not productive, he was efficient. He threw some accurate passes that we needed. He took a pretty dumb sack (on a dumb play call) and fumbled once, Ray Rice fumbled too.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1326759358' post='954398']
I dont even know if Ive seen the Steelers Oline get that obliterated on run and pass plays. That was single handedly one of the worst protection games from Baltimore I've ever seen. But I mean its on Cam to do SOMETHING to slow the pass rush, draws, WR screens, TE screens, quick slants, quick outs, timing routes. DO SOMETHING. Don't just let your QB get absolutely murdered.
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I agree with you. But they gave Flacco the control to change plays so it comes down to him as well. Luckily we have only Vince wilfork to worry about this week.

[AmericanSatire]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326759178' post='954392']
They definitely struggled, I can admit that. They played like crap but the WHOLE offense is to blame and that includes Joe. Joe put the ball on the ground twice, once on a strip and once on a bad handoff (Rice was to blame as well). Aaron Rodgers doesn't have a great offensive line either, yet he can move around and buy some time. Big Ben has the worst offensive line, yet he can keep plays going.

So for Flacco to be considered good, we need our offensive line, ray rice and our receivers on their best outings? Sounds pretty high maintenance.
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No one said they had to be on their "best" outings, they just needed to play better than what they did.

[Alexir]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1326759434' post='954403']

Dude, you really just need to relax. You don't seem to understand that QBs can't always carry the team by themselves against a good defense. And we were playing an extremely good defense. Rodgers had trouble with the Giants. Brady had trouble with us in the playoffs, and had trouble with the Jets last year. Just because Flacco didn't do enough for your liking doesn't mean he's not productive, he was efficient. He threw some accurate passes that we needed. He took a pretty dumb sack (on a dumb play call) and fumbled once, Ray Rice fumbled too.
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He made some plays but I don't know how you struggle against a team THAT MUCH you've already played and put 300 yards on in a previous match up. Not asking him to carry the team, just asking him to use his head sometimes, pick up blitzes, make some moves with your feet, get involved with the playcalling.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326759421' post='954402']
so would 5 drops that should been caught being tied into yardage and a completion percentage a hypothetical situation?lol
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Obviously. But taking into account how drops affected the numbers of a QB and the performance of an offense is more sensible than basically saying had a team not forced two turnovers, they would have lost.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1326759353' post='954397']
Flacco had a pretty good game yesterday. Did I miss something? No turnovers, 2 TDs, posted a 97 QB rating - he played pretty well.
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B you know Im pretty objective and give stats their due, but yesterday in no way was the offense pretty good. The only TDs they scored were on extremely short fields provided by turnovers. Outside of that they accounted for 6 points that were actual drives of their own, had 7 three and outs and 226 total yards of offense. Flacco did not turn the ball over, which was impressive considering the duress he was under. But hell, that was the same old song and dance in Baltimore. Defense forces three turnovers, allows 13 points, offense barely sustains drives to even give the defense a break scores just enough to win. I can't say anyone on offense played pretty good yesterday outside of Boldin for coming off knee surgery.

[Alexir]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1326759353' post='954397']
Flacco had a pretty good game yesterday. Did I miss something? No turnovers, 2 TDs, posted a 97 QB rating - he played pretty well.
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He played fine, but the word great doesn't describe his peformance and I still doubt he can keep up with Brady in a shoot out.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1326759723' post='954411']

Obviously. But taking into account how drops affected the numbers of a QB and the performance of an offense is more sensible than basically saying had a team not forced two turnovers, they would have lost.
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I think they are both fair to say. Let's be realistic, getting the ball on the 2 was huge for us, especially with the amount of punting we did.

Its over I guess, a win is a win. I will leave Joe alone for the time being, I guess i just need to realize that he is not going to progress like most QBs and that he will be a game manager for us for sometime before he takes control of the offense.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326759552' post='954405']
I agree with you. But they gave Flacco the control to change plays so it comes down to him as well. [b]Luckily we have only Vince wilfork to worry about this week.[/b]
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Mark Anderson is a pretty good pass rusher. McKinnie and Oher will have their hands full.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1326759738' post='954413']
B you know Im pretty objective and give stats their due, but yesterday in no way was the offense pretty good. The only TDs they scored were on extremely short fields provided by turnovers. Outside of that they accounted for 6 points that were actual drives of their own, had 7 three and outs and 226 total yards of offense. Flacco did not turn the ball over, which was impressive considering the duress he was under. But hell, that was the same old song and dance in Baltimore. Defense forces three turnovers, allows 13 points, offense barely sustains drives to even give the defense a break scores just enough to win. I can't say anyone on offense played pretty good yesterday outside of Boldin for coming off knee surgery.
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+1. A qb's job is to move the chains, he and rice failed to do so and the Defense did bail out the offense...its like 2000 all over again haha. Offense was garbage and I agree about Boldin. He was great with the catches and with blocking. He punked number 30 on the other team lol

[berad]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1326759738' post='954413']
B you know Im pretty objective and give stats their due, but yesterday in no way was the offense pretty good. The only TDs they scored were on extremely short fields provided by turnovers. Outside of that they accounted for 6 points that were actual drives of their own, had 7 three and outs and 226 total yards of offense. Flacco did not turn the ball over, which was impressive considering the duress he was under. But hell, that was the same old song and dance in Baltimore. Defense forces three turnovers, allows 13 points, offense barely sustains drives to even give the defense a break scores just enough to win. I can't say anyone on offense played pretty good yesterday outside of Boldin for coming off knee surgery.
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I'll say it again, Flacco played pretty good. So did Boldin, definitely. The offensive line was horrendous which is why we couldn't get anything going - see Ray Rice's 60 yards and our failed goal-line/short-yardage attempts.

Defense has always reigned supreme in Baltimore, but this team is still the most balanced in the NFL - right up there with the Giants.

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326759772' post='954415']
He played fine, but the word great doesn't describe his peformance and I still doubt he can keep up with Brady in a shoot out.
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I don't think he, or the offense, are made for that. It puts a lot of pressure on our D to shut down Brady and the Pats but they're a great unit, something our offense most definitely isn't.