The Final Word On Joe's Season (Stats)

[1/28/01]

[quote name='marylandmike12' timestamp='1326740715' post='953743']

mo im not flacco doesntyell at theplayers when they make a mistake like brady yeling at ochocinco
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I never understand what the hell it is you're saying....ever! Either way, GO RAVENS!!!

[Guest RBates]

Wow.... we all saw game yesterday right? Now can we end this talk of Joe being above average this year. This has been the trend all year long. It doesn't matter that the Texans placed 2nd in defense this year. Joe missed on a lot of throws and took sacks that looked plain crazy. I don't even care to debate with anyone on this guy this year. The season and team revolves around Ray Rice, and this defense and Joe making safe throws. The offensive line and special teams had there share of problems ....yes.....but when given enough time Joe still looked bad. Say what you want this offense not only looked bad, but they scared me with the ball in their hands, and we were winning.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326745021' post='953893']
Wow.... we all saw game yesterday right? Now can we end this talk of Joe being above average this year. This has been the trend all year long. It doesn't matter that the Texans placed 2nd in defense this year. Joe missed on a lot of throws and took sacks that looked plain crazy. I don't even care to debate with anyone on this guy this year. The season and team revolves around Ray Rice, and this defense and Joe making safe throws. The offensive line and special teams had there share of problems ....yes.....but when given enough time Joe still looked bad. Say what you want this offense not only looked bad, but they scared me with the ball in their hands, and we were winning.
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Oh RBates....oh boy oh boy!

[callahan09]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326745021' post='953893']
Wow.... we all saw game yesterday right? Now can we end this talk of Joe being above average this year. This has been the trend all year long. It doesn't matter that the Texans placed 2nd in defense this year. Joe missed on a lot of throws and took sacks that looked plain crazy. I don't even care to debate with anyone on this guy this year. The season and team revolves around Ray Rice, and this defense and Joe making safe throws. The offensive line and special teams had there share of problems ....yes.....but when given enough time Joe still looked bad. Say what you want this offense not only looked bad, but they scared me with the ball in their hands, and we were winning.
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How can you say anything negative about Joe Flacco based on yesterday's game? You talk about Ray Rice, well how about his spectacular sub-3 yards per carry from yesterday? The offensive line was a mess and Joe was pressure and under duress all game, and most of those sacks occurred nearly instantly after the snap.

[Guest RBates]

I dont care about negative rep on the other post either. What i want is for just one of you that had the audacity to vote it down, to tell me im making this stuff up. That you feel comfortable in a tight game with the ball in Flacco's hands. Average Qb no matter how much his team is behind him. Ugly showing on offense. We had zero game highlights that's how bad it was. Webb and Ed's picks was all they showed.......smh

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1326748435' post='954045']
How can you say anything negative about Joe Flacco based on yesterday's game? You talk about Ray Rice, well how about his spectacular sub-3 yards per carry from yesterday? The offensive line was a mess and Joe was pressure and under duress all game, and most of those sacks occurred nearly instantly after the snap.
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What about the overthrows when he had time. I guess that was the receivers fault not being in the right place or some other lame brain excuse that media pundits and coaches would have us believe. What about that fumble? When the pocket was obviously collapsing where he held on to the ball to long. Make all the excuses you want, Joe was terrible in that game. If not for the special teams letting him live in the red zone we would have gotten beat.His new nickname ( Unreliable) forget Mr. inconsistent . smh

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326748511' post='954049']
I dont care about negative rep on the other post either. What i want is for just one of you that had the audacity to vote it down, to tell me im making this stuff up. That you feel comfortable in a tight game with the ball in Flacco's hands. Average Qb no matter how much his team is behind him. Ugly showing on offense. We had zero game highlights that's how bad it was. Webb and Ed's picks was all they showed.......smh
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i didn't neg you, but I'm absolutely comfortable with Joe in a tight game. Did in in Pittsburgh, did it in Arizona, almost did it in Seattle despite special teams giftwrapping 6 points for the Seahawks. You don't like him, but I see good things in him. I thought we were done debating this. You don't like Flacco and don't trust him, and I do. You saw a "bad" performance last night, where I saw the best postseason performance of his career. We obviously view things in two different ways, and that's fine. Just don't act all high and mighty like the majority of us are missing something you don't see. You can have your opinion, I just don't like you trying to force-feed it down our throats every five seconds, and I definitely do not like your insinuations that you are the most qualified evaluator of quarterback, or even NFL talent, on this board so what you say goes. That's all.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326748990' post='954061']

i didn't neg you, but I'm absolutely comfortable with Joe in a tight game. Did in in Pittsburgh, did it in Arizona, almost did it in Seattle despite special teams giftwrapping 6 points for the Seahawks. You don't like him, but I see good things in him. I thought we were done debating this. You don't like Flacco and don't trust him, and I do. You saw a "bad" performance last night, where I saw the best postseason performance of his career. We obviously view things in two different ways, and that's fine. Just don't act all high and mighty like the majority of us are missing something you don't see. You can have your opinion, I just don't like you trying to force-feed it down our throats every five seconds, and I definitely do not like your insinuations that you are the most qualified evaluator of quarterback, or even NFL talent, on this board so what you say goes. That's all.
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Wow, you got a minus 5 in the time I took to post this. Again, I didn't neg you. But if you continue to assert that you know better than I what I'm watching on the field, I will. I hate hubris.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326748990' post='954061']

i didn't neg you, but I'm absolutely comfortable with Joe in a tight game. Did in in Pittsburgh, did it in Arizona, almost did it in Seattle despite special teams giftwrapping 6 points for the Seahawks. You don't like him, but I see good things in him. I thought we were done debating this. You don't like Flacco and don't trust him, and I do. You saw a "bad" performance last night, where I saw the best postseason performance of his career. We obviously view things in two different ways, and that's fine. Just don't act all high and mighty like the majority of us are missing something you don't see. [b] You can have your opinion, I just don't like you trying to force-feed it down our throats every five seconds, and I definitely do not like your insinuations that you are the most qualified evaluator of quarterback, or even NFL talent, on this board so what you say goes. That's all.[/b]
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What is this? This is a forum right? All opinionated information. Force feed you? I didn't know i was talking to you specifically, but since you responded in first person i suppose you are taking it that way. You are absolutely entitled to your opinions especially when you think that the performance we all witnessed the other night was his best of his career. (Yes) he did it in Pitt. the Arizona game was in Baltimore, but that was partially by his own design. Seahawks game? Im not going to even go there. You have got to be kidding me. The ball in Flacco's hands, is scary period. He fumbles way to much. Some of that is on the offensive line, but you have to move when you feel the pocket collapsing. Flacco is average at this point in his career. That's my opinion and I stand by it. That's not high and mighty that's the truth. I like to think of myself as humble and real. Just for the record.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326749062' post='954064']

Wow, you got a minus 5 in the time I took to post this. Again, I didn't neg you. But if you continue to assert that you know better than I what I'm watching on the field, I will. I hate hubris.
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No big deal Flacco supporters are always out to prove points. Thats good. Not one of them can deny though that what im saying is false by what they saw the other day. Thats all they have left is negative one. lmao...... Flacco has been average this year people. Like it or not its true.

[BmoreRavens732]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326690678' post='952744']

Oh ok. Like I said, I never bet against us , I cheer joe on and I watch every second of the game. I love my team, just want more out of a 4th year QB, thats all. And yeah, Rice did play like crap and yeah Cam isn't utilizing his playmakers but blame does trickle to QB
[/quote]so its flaccos fault cams a moron? Or his fault receivers cant get open and has no where to throw to? Or his line gave him NO protection what so ever? He couldnt even step up to throw cuz the whole pocket collapsed in like 2 whole seconds but I suppose he shoulda drank a red bull and grew wings and flapped happily ever after to the endzone smh damit joe

[IMissMattStover]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326745448' post='953911'] Oh RBates....oh boy oh boy![/quote]

Haha! Dont encourage him!

[IMissMattStover]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326748511' post='954049']
I dont care about negative rep on the other post either. [b]What i want is for just one of you that had the audacity to vote it down, to tell me im making this stuff up.[/b] That you feel comfortable in a tight game with the ball in Flacco's hands. Average Qb no matter how much his team is behind him. Ugly showing on offense. We had zero game highlights that's how bad it was. Webb and Ed's picks was all they showed.......smh
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You are making this stuff up.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326749752' post='954086']
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What is this? This is a forum right? All opinionated information. Force feed you? I didn't know i was talking to you specifically, but since you responded in first person i suppose you are taking it that way. You are absolutely entitled to your opinions especially when you think that the performance we all witnessed the other night was his best of his career. (Yes) he did it in Pitt. the Arizona game was in Baltimore, but that was partially by his own design. Seahawks game? Im not going to even go there. You have got to be kidding me. The ball in Flacco's hands, is scary period. He fumbles way to much. Some of that is on the offensive line, but you have to move when you feel the pocket collapsing. [b]Flacco is average at this point in his career.[/b] That's my opinion and I stand by it. That's not high and mighty that's the truth. I like to think of myself as humble and real. Just for the record.
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Again I don't see it. Is he inconsistent, maddeninggly so, yes. But I don't believe average quarterbacks can throw all over the best passing defense in the league 2 times in one season, throw four TDs and 0 picks in those games. I don't believe an average quarterback could lead a comeback from a 3 score deficit against Arizona that way, and Joe led that comeback, not Rice, Rice had 60 yards the whole game and all of his TD runs totaled 5 yards and were one or two yard runs set up by strikes from Joe and the receivers. I don't believe an average quarterback can finish behind only Tom Brady as the statistically best quarterback in the AFC over the last 10 weeks of the 2010 season. I don't believe an average quarterback could take on top 10 defenses 12 times this year and go 10-2. I see very talented and inconsistent, is what I see. You can keep calling Joe Flacco average, just like everyone else. I support him more this year than ever before because I've seen the brilliance, I've seen what he could be. People said Eli Manning would never be what he is now, that Drew Brees would never even play in the league again. And Joe Flacco has done more than either of them had done up until this point in their careers - yes Eli won a Superbowl in his fourth season, but his team, with a dominant top 5 defense BTW, missed the playoffs two of his first 4 seasons. And Eli was pretty bad in several of his playoff games that season, and had a worse regular season than Joe. So I see talent and upside, and the promise of what Joe Flacco could be. You've never been on board for 4 years - why I don't know, nor do I care. I don't expect you to change. But I'm happy with Joe. I don't understand why your not, but I don't have to. I would just like you to stop questioning everyone who has a differing opinion from you. That is all. And if all you are ever going to do is keep posting negatively about Flacco, then I would ask you no longer respond to my posts. Because I am fully on board with this kid, believe he can lead us to a Superbowl, if not this year then in the future, and I believe that without Cam Cameron around he will show both with his numbers and his play in big moments that he can compete with the best quarterbacks in this league.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326749887' post='954093']
No big deal Flacco supporters are always out to prove points. Thats good. Not one of them can deny though that what im saying is false by what they saw the other day. Thats all they have left is negative one. lmao...... Flacco has been average this year people. [b]Like it or not its true.[/b]
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This is what I mean about hubris. You believing it's true doesn't make it true. You ranking someone by quarterback rating doesn't mean that's how good or bad they are. So what then does it mean to you that he finished 18th in the league this year, but finished 7th in the league last year? You think last year was a fluke, well I think this year is a fluke. We agree to disagree. You do not need to respond, no more needs to be said on the subject.

[callahan09]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326748898' post='954059']
What about the overthrows when he had time. I guess that was the receivers fault not being in the right place or some other lame brain excuse that media pundits and coaches would have us believe. What about that fumble? When the pocket was obviously collapsing where he held on to the ball to long. Make all the excuses you want, Joe was terrible in that game. If not for the special teams letting him live in the red zone we would have gotten beat.His new nickname ( Unreliable) forget Mr. inconsistent . smh
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I can honestly say I don't recall anything that I would conclusively call an "overthrow". Maybe there were a couple at most that some people would choose to classify as such, I wouldn't go so far as to say it was a textbook, objectively defined overthrow however, and if I'm wrong, then cite some examples, tell me which plays you're referring to in particular (give me the quarter & time that these plays happened if you can truly identify such plays). The fumble was a mistake, sure. I can agree with that.

Now, you said he played terrible. TERRIBLE? Really? With 2 touchdowns, no turnovers, and no protection, no running game support, receivers dropping balls on him? Look, maybe he was not PERFECT, but there is a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE between perfection and terrible. Not-perfect is not the same thing as terrible. How often does a quarterback perform a perfect game? Every quarterback makes mistakes. To say that Joe Flacco was terrible yesterday is unbelievable, truly.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326749887' post='954093']

No big deal[b] Flacco supporters[/b] are always out to prove points. Thats good. Not one of them can deny though that what im saying is false by what they saw the other day. Thats all they have left is negative one. lmao...... Flacco has been average this year people. Like it or not its true.
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Okay, I know you have a problem with his game play (well, some weeks...other weeks you've "watched the tape" and you became enamored by him and his abilities...aka Mr Flippy Floppy), but you just singled others out as "Flacco supporters". So, you don't even support the guy? Sad, RBates...just sad!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326751890' post='954172']
Okay, I know you have a problem with his game play (well, some weeks...other weeks you've "watched the tape" and you became enamored by him and his abilities...aka Mr Flippy Floppy), but you just singled others out as "Flacco supporters". So, you don't even support the guy? Sad, RBates...just sad!
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You think he's joined the Wizard1 "I would rather cost Ed Reed and Ray Lewis rings than let Flacco have any success" bandwagon? Although like I said it's been very quiet around here lately so maybe even He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named (hah, you see the pun there?) admitted to himself that Flacco played well yesterday.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='IMissMattStover' timestamp='1326750226' post='954108']

You are making this stuff up.
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Well thank you. That was very informative.

[The Raven]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326745021' post='953893']
Wow.... we all saw game yesterday right? Now can we end this talk of Joe being above average this year. This has been the trend all year long. It doesn't matter that the Texans placed 2nd in defense this year. Joe missed on a lot of throws and took sacks that looked plain crazy. I don't even care to debate with anyone on this guy this year. The season and team revolves around Ray Rice, and this defense and Joe making safe throws. The offensive line and special teams had there share of problems ....yes.....but when given enough time Joe still looked bad. Say what you want this offense not only looked bad, but they scared me with the ball in their hands, and we were winning.
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If this offense so clearly revolves around Rice, explain to me how we won the game when he averaged 3 yards a carry. I said this before, if we take FGs instead of his TDs we lose the game. Also, he completed 65% of his passes with 5 drops. He threw 2 TDs. No picks. What more do you want?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326751890' post='954172']
Okay, I know you have a problem with his game play (well, some weeks...other weeks you've "watched the tape" and you became enamored by him and his abilities...aka Mr Flippy Floppy), but you just singled others out as "Flacco supporters". So, you don't even support the guy? Sad, RBates...just sad!
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Im done with Flacco and yeah his supporters also. He may have talent that is obviously untapped, but right now he is average Joe.

[SecretAgentMan]

There is one stat at the end of the day that truly matters [b]wins[/b]

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326753622' post='954220']

If this offense so clearly revolves around Rice, explain to me how we won the game when he averaged 3 yards a carry. I said this before, if we take FGs instead of his TDs we lose the game. Also, he completed 65% of his passes with 5 drops. He threw 2 TDs. No picks. What more do you want?
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Not to fumble at all. To actually put together a drive in the game would have been nice. To carry the team once in a while, not twice in a season. To stop taking unnecessary sacks...... RUN!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Raven]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326754023' post='954231']
Not to fumble at all. To actually put together a drive in the game would have been nice. To carry the team once in a while, not twice in a season. To stop taking unnecessary sacks...... RUN!!!!!!!!!!!
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He had nowhere to run to.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326753622' post='954220']

If this offense so clearly revolves around Rice, explain to me how we won the game when he averaged 3 yards a carry. I said this before, if we take FGs instead of his TDs we lose the game. Also, he completed 65% of his passes with 5 drops. He threw 2 TDs. No picks. What more do you want?
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Oh yeah and this offense definitely revolves around Ray Rice. If he goes down the offense would be lost, we have a better chance of winning with Tyrod at Qb, than Ricky at running back. IMHO

[IMissMattStover]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326753480' post='954218']
Well thank you. That was very informative.
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Anytime. I'm known for being informative.

[The Raven]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326754166' post='954235']
Oh yeah and this offense definitely revolves around Ray Rice. If he goes down the offense would be lost, we have a better chance of winning with Tyrod at Qb, than Ricky at running back. IMHO
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Really? Rice got shut down and we still won.

[Alexir]

[quote name='BmoreRavens732' timestamp='1326750050' post='954098']
so its flaccos fault cams a moron? Or his fault receivers cant get open and has no where to throw to? Or his line gave him NO protection what so ever? He couldnt even step up to throw cuz the whole pocket collapsed in like 2 whole seconds but I suppose he shoulda drank a red bull and grew wings and flapped happily ever after to the endzone smh damit joe
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Just when do the excuses end? Yeah the offensive line wasn't great but there are still times where he can get the ball off. Ranking the 4 QBs left, he is definitely behind Alex Smith. Let's see how Flukko plays against the 31st place defense. Oh wait, if he does have a bad game there will be another excuse....

Im fine that my opinion matches that of several ex nfl players and coaches, that must mean they are all stupid right? He is in his 4th year and sometimes HE needs to make some plays instead of having his receivers and Rice doing it for him.

Needs to show more of the Flacco at KC or PItt than the Flacco weve gotten for the most of this year.

[Alexir]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326754889' post='954251']

Really? Rice got shut down and we still won.
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Ray Rice got shutdown and we still won because Jacoby Jones puts the rock on the ground on the 2 yard line and Lardarius Webb gets a pick in great field position. Besides those 2 great TD passes, our offense struggled on natural drives....you are foolish to think our offense was good this game...

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326757921' post='954347']
Just when do the excuses end? Yeah the offensive line wasn't great but there are still times where he can get the ball off. Ranking the 4 QBs left, he is definitely behind Alex Smith. Let's see how Flukko plays against the 31st place defense. Oh wait, if he does have a bad game there will be another excuse....

Im fine that my opinion matches that of several ex nfl players and coaches, that must mean they are all stupid right? He is in his 4th year and sometimes HE needs to make some plays instead of having his receivers and Rice doing it for him.

Needs to show more of the Flacco at KC or PItt than the Flacco weve gotten for the most of this year.
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What excuses? The FIVE drops? I wont bother debating that with you, because you'll claim Flacco is responsible for them since he is the one who threw the pass. But, humor me. If not for those drops, 19/27 for somewhere around 250 - 300 yards, 2 TD and 0 INT is pretty damn stunning against a top 3 defense, especially in light of the fact Flacco got NO protection. Can you at least acknowledge that, or is that asking too much?