The Final Word On Joe's Season (Stats)

[Alexir]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326690021' post='952715']

I think he's referring to wizard1.
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Oh I don't know who that is. I am not pessimistic about our team, I just don't see why there is so much praise for Flacco. That's all.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326689964' post='952713']

I'm not taking anything away from the defense and STs, but they didn't throw the TDs and score the 14 points.
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They scored the points off a turnover that gave them the ball on the 2, and on Houstons 30...

[The Raven]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1326690210' post='952726']
They scored the points off a turnover that gave them the ball on the 2, and on Houstons 30...
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Agreed. I know this. I did in fact watch the game. However, Flacco and the offense threw TDs in those positions. If they hadn't, and scored FGs instead, it is a much different game.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326689929' post='952712']
wizard?....Going into this game, I didn't say Flacco would lead us to failure, honestly I cheer the guy on, i just don't come off as impressed as you all.
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Not you, dude. For all I don't understand why you're so critical of Joe, you have your opinion and that's cool. Healthy debate is what this is all about. I mean wizard1, the kid who had the audacity to bet on us, the Ravens, the team he claims to be a fan of, to lose both games against the [i]Steelers[/i], and then predicted that Joe would screw up royally and cost us the game. The kid who claimed that Steve Deberg was a better QB than Flacco, and then spouted some nonsense about DeBerg only fumbling 12 times in his entire career when he had like 15 in 1985 or 86, or something. The kid who keeps insisting that Flacco will not be the starting quarterback of the Ravens next season, and those of us who believe so "haven't seen the light" and will be in for a big surprise.

As you can see, even though his posts clearly indicate he's a 14 year old kid or something that wants attention, and even though I ignore him until he makes some stupid nonsensical statements that I call him out on, I can't stand people who get on here and all they do is write the same negative stuff over, and over, and over, and over.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1326690210' post='952726']
They scored the points off a turnover that gave them the ball on the 2, and on Houstons 30...
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I know. But the Flacco lovers will tell you he won the game for us. It scares me to think what would of happened if it wasn't for the turnovers....oh wait 8 punts, 2 field goals, and rice not converting a 4th and a couple feet.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326690504' post='952737']
I know. But the Flacco lovers will tell you he won the game for us. It scares me to think what would of happened if it wasn't for the turnovers....oh wait 8 punts, 2 field goals, and rice not converting a 4th and a couple feet.
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It scares me to think what would have happened had we scored field goals as opposed to touchdowns.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326690411' post='952734']

Not you, dude. For all I don't understand why you're so critical of Joe, you have your opinion and that's cool. Healthy debate is what this is all about. I mean wizard1, the kid who had the audacity to bet on us, the Ravens, the team he claims to be a fan of, to lose both games against the [i]Steelers[/i], and then predicted that Joe would screw up royally and cost us the game. The kid who claimed that Steve Deberg was a better QB than Flacco, and then spouted some nonsense about DeBerg only fumbling 12 times in his entire career when he had like 15 in 1985 or 86, or something. The kid who keeps insisting that Flacco will not be the starting quarterback of the Ravens next season, and those of us who believe so "haven't seen the light" and will be in for a big surprise.

As you can see, even though his posts clearly indicate he's a 14 year old kid or something that wants attention, and even though I ignore him until he makes some stupid nonsensical statements that I call him out on, I can't stand people who get on here and all they do is write the same negative stuff over, and over, and over, and over.
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Oh ok. Like I said, I never bet against us , I cheer joe on and I watch every second of the game. I love my team, just want more out of a 4th year QB, thats all. And yeah, Rice did play like crap and yeah Cam isn't utilizing his playmakers but blame does trickle to QB

[1/28/01]

[quote name='marylandmike12' timestamp='1326689046' post='952682']
the only thing i want to see is joe flaco yelling like brees who dat
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I hope you're joking!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1326690210' post='952726']
They scored the points off a turnover that gave them the ball on the 2, and on Houstons 30...
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But Flacco played well in this game. I certainly am not claiming it was all time great, or anything close to what he has to do next week, but given the defense he was facing, the lack of protection he had, and the drops by the receivers, I think Flacco played well tonight.

[The Raven]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326690681' post='952745']
I hope you're joking!
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Here we go again with the "Joe doesn't have emotion"

[Alexir]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326690578' post='952740']

It scares me to think what would have happened had we scored field goals as opposed to touchdowns.
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However, if we had gone for a field goal instead of the td we would of won by 10 instead of 3 lol

Yeah yeah, I know you are saying Flacco threw for those TDs and im glad he did but, turnovers will be hard to come by against Brady and we are going to need Joe to make the best of his natural drives

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326690795' post='952749']
However, if we had gone for a field goal instead of the td we would of won by 10 instead of 3 lol

Yeah yeah, I know you are saying Flacco threw for those TDs and im glad he did but, turnovers will be hard to come by against Brady and we are going to need Joe to make the best of his natural drives
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That is something I will wholeheartedly agree on.

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326690678' post='952744']
Oh ok. Like I said, I never bet against us , I cheer joe on and I watch every second of the game. I love my team, just want more out of a 4th year QB, thats all. And yeah, Rice did play like crap and yeah Cam isn't utilizing his playmakers but blame does trickle to QB
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I agree that if your O-Line hasn't been blocking most of the game.. you should at some point start taking the hint/incentive and start getting out of the pocket quicker and move often.

But seriously, after I saw 3 of the 4 Defensive linemen busting through our front 5.. I was just praying Flacco wouldn't fumble while taking the inevitable sack.

7 Guys in coverage while 3 guys are almost instantly bearing down on you... yeah, good luck with that.

[Alexir]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1326691037' post='952758']

I agree that if your O-Line hasn't been blocking most of the game.. you should at some point start taking the hint/incentive and start getting out of the pocket quicker and move often.

But seriously, after I saw 3 of the 4 Defensive linemen busting through our front 5.. I was just praying Flacco wouldn't fumble while taking the inevitable sack.

7 Guys in coverage while 3 guys are almost instantly bearing down on you..
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Thats why Tackle and Center need to be addressed in off season.

Flacco did lack a comfy pocket but there were times where the pass rush got to him because he had 3-4 seconds to throw and held on too long. Not yandas best game.

We won the game which is the only thing that matters. Joe will need to rest his arm this week because it will be a shootout next week and I swear to god if I hear another ignorant homer Raven fan calling into 105.7 saying we will destroy them I might go crazy.

One guy said we were going to beat texans 41-6. When the heck have we ever put up 41 as a team?!?! especially against a top 3 defense.

I don't know who we put on Gronk. Lots of people saying a linebacker, some even said Suggs but Im not taking our lead pass rusher away to cover a guy. I think our best option is Pollard and Reed switching off.

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326691395' post='952761']
Thats why Tackle and Center need to be addressed in off season.

Flacco did lack a comfy pocket but there were times where the pass rush got to him because he had 3-4 seconds to throw and held on too long. Not yandas best game.

We won the game which is the only thing that matters. Joe will need to rest his arm this week because it will be a shootout next week and I swear to god if I hear another ignorant homer Raven fan calling into 105.7 saying we will destroy them I might go crazy.

One guy said we were going to beat texans 41-6. When the heck have we ever put up 41 as a team?!?! especially against a top 3 defense.

I don't know who we put on Gronk. Lots of people saying a linebacker, some even said Suggs but Im not taking our lead pass rusher away to cover a guy. I think our best option is Pollard and Reed switching off.
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I'd say McClain, JJ or Pollard. Suggs needs to be going after Brady 24/7.

[Alexir]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1326691561' post='952766']

I'd say McClain, JJ or Pollard. Suggs needs to be going after Brady 24/7.
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JJ's not fast enough, Mcclain isn't the greatest in coverage so I think that leaves the Bone Crusher himself Bernard Pollard.


However I need him to rush the passer so we can have a circa 2008 moment

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326690678' post='952744']
Oh ok. Like I said, I never bet against us , I cheer joe on and I watch every second of the game. I love my team, just want more out of a 4th year QB, thats all. And yeah, Rice did play like crap and yeah Cam isn't utilizing his playmakers but blame does trickle to QB
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Well, see, that's where we disagree. I think Flacco's playing great for a fourth year quarterback. Eli Manning was abysmal, abysmal his first 4 years in the league. Drew Brees was the same. Tom Brady had ratings in the 80s until his 5th year. And none of them had to face a defense like the Pittsburgh Steelers, and now the Bengals and Browns, twice a year.

And I have seen progress.

Year 1- loses to the Steelers twice, beats a bad Dolphins team in the playoffs and then the Titans who weren't good on offense, lays an egg in Pittsburgh

Year 2 - beats the Steelers without Ben, loses to Cinci twice, loses to the Steelers with Ben, gets hurt and does nothing in the playoffs.

Year 3 - beats the Steelers without Ben on a last-second strike to Housh to cap a comeback, has the best statistical year of his career, plays only partially sucky against the Bengals after absolutely throwing up against them week 2, goes into the playoffs, has to play at Arrowhead, the loudest stadium in the NFL against a pro bowl offense and quarterback, has the best postseason game of his career against the 10th ranked passing D in the league with a pro-bowl pass rusher and pro bowl safety. Goes into Pittsburgh and for one half, dominates the Steelers. Then is part of an offensive unit that lays an egg, with his pick and Rice's fumble, etc. meltdown

Year 4 - Thrashes the Steelers at home, beats them with a last second strike at Heinz Field, helps to sweep the division for the first time in 5 seasons, plays the best he's ever played against the Bengals with 3 TDs and 1 pick in 2 games, leads a ridiculous comeback, the largest in Ravens history, in which he should have had 3 TDs, instead Rice got 3 1 yard rushes, and the "pick" he threw in fact bounced off the receiver's hands backwards into the hands of a defender. Beats the number 1 ranked defense in the league, San Francisco, a team that made Drew Brees look pretty bad last night, and does it efficiently. In his first home playoff game of his career, after a season of being thrashed by everyone and his brother, tosses 2 TD passes against the number 2 ranked passing defense in the league and survives a 6 drop performance by a receiving corps that has been drop happy all season to record only his second career postseason game with a rating of 90 or above. All of this while losing 2 of his top three targets and having them replaced by two second year tight ends, one who is very drop happy, a vet who has never been to the playoffs before then got injured and looks extremely rusty after missing 8 games, and a talented but drop happy rookie who almost cost him the Steelers' comeback - Torrey made up for it, but what if he hadn't? Not to mention it seems like every year the offensive line does a worse and worse job of protecting him, and this is the first year where Joe hasn't had his own quarterback coach to teach him anything. And I believe Cam Cameron to be a megalomaniac, someone Flacco doesn't trust, and someone who is good at teaching the fundamentals of playing QB but not good at teaching the mental aspect of the game. Flacco has developed enough, he doesn't need a mechanics coach - he needs someone who understands how TO BE a quarterback, mentally and emotionally, how to make good decisions. He doesn't have that.

I see Flacco as a work in progress who has progressed beyond anything we should have expected to this point. Remember, he wasn't supposed to start his first year, or even his second year. He was supposed to sit like Rodgers, learn the offense, then play. He wasn't given the opportunity, he had to learn on the fly, and now we're asking him to be even better while yanking away the only targets he's ever known and replacing them with inexperienced players. All in all, I'd say Flacco has done everything I've expected out of a fourth year quarterback coming from a spread offense and transitioning to the pros. IMO he's easily better than both Brees and especially Eli Manning were when they were in their fourth years in the league. He needs better coaching to be an elite QB in this league, but I think if we get him away from Cam and bring in someone not only good but who has the trust and respect of Joe and this team, we will see the rise of an elite quarterback.

[Alexir]

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[keebl3rs]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326691970' post='952778']
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I totally forgot that was Pollard who did that.

EDIT: I felt bad for laughing.. even if it is Tammy Brady.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326691924' post='952777']

Well, see, that's where we disagree. I think Flacco's playing great for a fourth year quarterback. Eli Manning was abysmal, abysmal his first 4 years in the league. Drew Brees was the same. Tom Brady had ratings in the 80s until his 5th year. And none of them had to face a defense like the Pittsburgh Steelers, and now the Bengals and Browns, twice a year.

And I have seen progress.

Year 1- loses to the Steelers twice, beats a bad Dolphins team in the playoffs and then the Titans who weren't good on offense, lays an egg in Pittsburgh

Year 2 - beats the Steelers without Ben, loses to Cinci twice, loses to the Steelers with Ben, gets hurt and does nothing in the playoffs.

Year 3 - beats the Steelers without Ben on a last-second strike to Housh to cap a comeback, has the best statistical year of his career, plays only partially sucky against the Bengals after absolutely throwing up against them week 2, goes into the playoffs, has to play at Arrowhead, the loudest stadium in the NFL against a pro bowl offense and quarterback, has the best postseason game of his career against the 10th ranked passing D in the league with a pro-bowl pass rusher and pro bowl safety. Goes into Pittsburgh and for one half, dominates the Steelers. Then is part of an offensive unit that lays an egg, with his pick and Rice's fumble, etc. meltdown

Year 4 - Thrashes the Steelers at home, beats them with a last second strike at Heinz Field, helps to sweep the division for the first time in 5 seasons, plays the best he's ever played against the Bengals with 3 TDs and 1 pick in 2 games, leads a ridiculous comeback, the largest in Ravens history, in which he should have had 3 TDs, instead Rice got 3 1 yard rushes, and the "pick" he threw in fact bounced off the receiver's hands backwards into the hands of a defender. Beats the number 1 ranked defense in the league, San Francisco, a team that made Drew Brees look pretty bad last night, and does it efficiently. In his first home playoff game of his career, after a season of being thrashed by everyone and his brother, tosses 2 TD passes against the number 2 ranked passing defense in the league and survives a 6 drop performance by a receiving corps that has been drop happy all season to record only his second career postseason game with a rating of 90 or above. All of this while losing 2 of his top three targets and having them replaced by two second year tight ends, one who is very drop happy, a vet who has never been to the playoffs before then got injured and looks extremely rusty after missing 8 games, and a talented but drop happy rookie who almost cost him the Steelers' comeback - Torrey made up for it, but what if he hadn't? Not to mention it seems like every year the offensive line does a worse and worse job of protecting him, and this is the first year where Joe hasn't had his own quarterback coach to teach him anything. And I believe Cam Cameron to be a megalomaniac, someone Flacco doesn't trust, and someone who is good at teaching the fundamentals of playing QB but not good at teaching the mental aspect of the game. Flacco has developed enough, he doesn't need a mechanics coach - he needs someone who understands how TO BE a quarterback, mentally and emotionally, how to make good decisions. He doesn't have that.

I see Flacco as a work in progress who has progressed beyond anything we should have expected to this point. Remember, he wasn't supposed to start his first year, or even his second year. He was supposed to sit like Rodgers, learn the offense, then play. He wasn't given the opportunity, he had to learn on the fly, and now we're asking him to be even better while yanking away the only targets he's ever known and replacing them with inexperienced players. All in all, I'd say Flacco has done everything I've expected out of a fourth year quarterback coming from a spread offense and transitioning to the pros. IMO he's easily better than both Brees and especially Eli Manning were when they were in their fourth years in the league. He needs better coaching to be an elite QB in this league, but I think if we get him away from Cam and bring in someone not only good but who has the trust and respect of Joe and this team, we will see the rise of an elite quarterback.
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Plus 1.

You provide some great points, I guess I am too hard on him, I just wish he would play a little more consistently.

I will say that the offensive line hasn't played as bad as you lead on though!

I have praised Flacco for his games against Pitt and Cinci, he has other teams to face though and sometimes he drops off. I just don't know how you can drive 92 yards against the Steelers one game and not muster a 1st down until the 2nd half in another game (Jags). But that is a team that let tim tebow throw 300 yards on em lol

To see Joe is improving is a tongue in cheek comment though, he is beating his division rivals but he statistically he isn't having the best season of his young career.

I do agree about the no qb coach though, I think it has a lot to do with it and I think its idotic that we did that to a QB without an off season and its moronic not to take a page out of Belichick's book and call up an ex offensive coordinator to consult his team (mcdaniels). Hue Jackson is out there for Joe, bring him in for playoffs, he has nothing better to do and if he wants an o coord position else where he can take it after the season. Realistically, i see him taking cams job...

[ratedr]

Reposting these comments by Tom Jackson from NFL Primetime, because I think they're appropriate here:

"I think for Joe Flacco to truly be as good as he wants to be, his offensive line has to give him more protection. He was under fire all day, he was sacked 5 times on the day. I mean, he really didn't have time to take a look down the field and scan and see what was going on. At the moment that he thinks about pulling the trigger, you can see that the rush is coming not only from outside the pocket and around, it is coming right into his face. So he didn't have a chance to really set himself. And the great thing that I thought he did was he didn't make mistakes. He didn't give the Houston Texans that added opportunity to win the game."

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1326692782' post='952794']
Reposting these comments by Tom Jackson from NFL Primetime, because I think they're appropriate here:

"I think for Joe Flacco to truly be as good as he wants to be, his offensive line has to give him more protection. He was under fire all day, he was sacked 5 times on the day. I mean, he really didn't have time to take a look down the field and scan and see what was going on. At the moment that he thinks about pulling the trigger, you can see that the rush is coming not only from outside the pocket and around, it is coming right into his face. So he didn't have a chance to really set himself. And the great thing that I thought he did was he didn't make mistakes. He didn't give the Houston Texans that added opportunity to win the game."
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Was looking for this, thanks for posting.

You guys wanna raise the pitch forks and go after a coach for todays performance? Spare Cam. Get Andy Moeller.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326692479' post='952788']
Plus 1.

You provide some great points, I guess I am too hard on him, I just wish he would play a little more [b]consistently[/b].

I will say that the offensive line hasn't played as bad as you lead on though!

I have praised Flacco for his games against Pitt and Cinci, he has other teams to face though and sometimes he drops off. I just don't know how you can drive 92 yards against the Steelers one game and not muster a 1st down until the 2nd half in another game (Jags). But that is a team that let tim tebow throw 300 yards on em lol

To see Joe is improving is a tongue in cheek comment though, he is beating his division rivals but he statistically he isn't having the best season of his young career.

I do agree about the no qb coach though, I think it has a lot to do with it and I think its idotic that we did that to a QB without an off season and its moronic not to take a page out of Belichick's book and call up an ex offensive coordinator to consult his team (mcdaniels). Hue Jackson is out there for Joe, bring him in for playoffs, he has nothing better to do and if he wants an o coord position else where he can take it after the season. Realistically, i see him taking cams job...
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Absolutely. And I'm not giving him a pass this year. Last year was his most consistent year. This year he had his most brilliant games, but had some terrible ones too. Yes Jacksonville was a tough passing D and Ray Rice wasn't getting the ball. And yes Joe drove down at the end. But he still overall didn't play well in that game. It was terrible. Tennessee he was being hit from everywhere and Britt killed us, but he still tossed one inexcusable pick. Seattle David Reed really killed us, and Joe once again had a few late drives, but he had opportunities to close and didn't. San Diego Pags was flat out owned by Norv Turner, but Flacco still tossed two interceptions, including one that proves to me the Cam influence is leaching into him - his explanation was "I saw him, he saw me, I knew the guy was covered but I thought I could make the throw". You don't [i]think [/i]you can make the throw, it was a tough throw and living to fight another day would have been better than that boneheaded play. Flacco has been Yin and Yang all season - but this is the first season that he's shown me how brilliant he could be. Imagine if we get the Pittsburgh Flacco, the Flacco we saw lead us back in Arizona, the Flacco of San Francisco and St. Louis and tonight. Sadly this season, we also got Jacksonville, Seattle, and San Diego. Not something an elite quarterback will do 3-4 times in a season. But like I said, this season I really believe he's shown the talent he has, the quarterback he could become. He may never be that guy.

But I remember one thing. Alex Smith was NEVER that guy. Ever. The best QB rating of his entire career was like 82, where Joe's WORST is 80. Then all of a sudden he has this brilliant season, after a shortened offseason, and outplays Drew Brees yesterday? Suddenly Vernon Davis goes from talented miscreant to postseason hero? Why? Jim Harbaugh, a former NFL quarterback, a great coach with a very, very successful record as a quarterback coach and offensive play-caller. One man made all the difference. Flacco is way better than Smith, he proved it in Baltimore. Smith couldn't handle it, there were a ton of plays he could have made that he left on the field. Flacco delivered. What if he had his own Jim Harbaugh, what kind of quarterback could he become? And that's why I continue to support him.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1326693086' post='952805']

Was looking for this, thanks for posting.

You guys wanna raise the pitch forks and go after a coach for todays performance? Spare Cam. Get Andy Moeller.
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IF we get out the pitchforks, I guarantee you I will not spare Cam. I made a vow, it's Cam or me, lol. But yeah, Andy Moeller can get the boot too, and I wouldn't shed too many tears if Jerry Rosburg got the boot as well. Really, it's surprising that we have in fact had the success we did over the past few seasons. But Mattison was Harbs' first choice, and we saw what his replacement has done. Maybe slowly Harbs will replace them all, and the successors will outshine their predecessors.

[3-4ravdef509]

Eli Manning sucked for a few years early on...then he won a superbowl, and he just helped demolish a very good Packers team.

I'm happy where Flacco is, because he's already very good, and luckily will play probably quadruple the years he has already played before he retires, so he will have plenty of time to improve from what is already a very solid start to a quarterback who was drafted by one of the worst offensive teams in the league.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326693310' post='952812']

Absolutely. And I'm not giving him a pass this year. Last year was his most consistent year. This year he had his most brilliant games, but had some terrible ones too. Yes Jacksonville was a tough passing D and Ray Rice wasn't getting the ball. And yes Joe drove down at the end. But he still overall didn't play well in that game. It was terrible. Tennessee he was being hit from everywhere and Britt killed us, but he still tossed one inexcusable pick. Seattle David Reed really killed us, and Joe once again had a few late drives, but he had opportunities to close and didn't. San Diego Pags was flat out owned by Norv Turner, but Flacco still tossed two interceptions, including one that proves to me the Cam influence is leaching into him - his explanation was "I saw him, he saw me, I knew the guy was covered but I thought I could make the throw". You don't think you can make the throw, it was a tough throw and living to fight another day would have been better than that boneheaded play. Flacco has been Yin and Yang all season - but this is the first season that he's shown me how brilliant he could be. Imagine if we get the Pittsburgh Flacco, the Flacco we saw lead us back in Arizona, the Flacco of San Francisco and St. Louis and tonight. Sadly this season, we also got Jacksonville, Seattle, and San Diego. Not something an elite quarterback will do 3-4 times in a season. But like I said, this season I really believe he's shown the talent he has, the quarterback he could become. He may never be that guy.

But I remember one thing. Alex Smith was NEVER that guy. Ever. The best QB rating of his entire career was like 82, where Joe's WORST is 80. Then all of a sudden he has this brilliant season, after a shortened offseason, and outplays Drew Brees yesterday? Suddenly Vernon Davis goes from talented miscreant to postseason hero? Why? Jim Harbaugh, a former NFL quarterback, a great coach with a very, very successful record as a quarterback coach and offensive play-caller. One man made all the difference. Flacco is way better than Smith, he proved it in Baltimore. Smith couldn't handle it, there were a ton of plays he could have made that he left on the field. Flacco delivered. What if he had his own Jim Harbaugh, what kind of quarterback could he become? And that's why I continue to support him.
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All great points. I think John has to be accountable for not getting his QB a coach to go over his mechanics. Jim Harbaugh is the coach of the year and this season Alex Smith is playing better than Joe. Over a career, Joe will have the better numbers and more wins though. Guess im too hard on the guy, mostly because a lot of fans call him elite, it just makes me want to be extra critical of him.

[RavenoutWest]

It's Cam's job to have the offense ready. He even went scouting to prepare and still the offensive performance was horrible. If we can give props to Paganos' defense, we can give Cams' offense it's due..
It was hard to watch, and I hope adjustments are made and we are better next week..I want to see a Harbaugh Super Bowl!.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RavenoutWest' timestamp='1326693742' post='952824']
It's Cam's job to have the offense ready. He even went scouting to prepare and still the offensive performance was horrible. If we can give props to Paganos' defense, we can give Cams' offense it's due..
It was hard to watch, and I hope adjustments are made and we are better next week..I want to see a Harbaugh Super Bowl!.
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Not just that. Cam is the quarterback coach. He didn't like Zorn and Saunders, even though Flacco did, so they got the boot. Cam's offenses were always consistent at being inconsistent, but Joe steadily improved every year. This year, he's as inconsistent as the offense has been. One week he looks like Tom Brady, the next week he looks like Ryan Leaf. Is it a coincidence that our maddeningly inconsistent offensive coordinator is now our maddeningly inconsistent quarterback's QB coach? I think not.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326693693' post='952821']
All great points. I think John has to be accountable for not getting his QB a coach to go over his mechanics. Jim Harbaugh is the coach of the year and this season Alex Smith is playing better than Joe. Over a career, Joe will have the better numbers and more wins though. Guess im too hard on the guy, mostly because a lot of fans call him elite, it just makes me want to be extra critical of him.
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Not many of us here call him elite, or at least I don't lol. I hate when people call him average or a game manager, cause he's not (he's inconsistently brilliant right now), or blame mistakes of other players on him. When he lays duds, we all know. Last year at Cincy, dud. This year at Jacksonville, dud. But tipped balls turning into INTs, offensive line getting owned, defense getting owned, Rice getting shut out, receivers being young and dropping passes, etc, are all problems that Joe is often the scapegoat for. And that's why we stick up for him.

I saw some bad decisions on his part tonight, but ultimately he didn't turn the ball over and much of the offenses struggles were once again caused by Cam's inability to adapt mid-game.

[marylandmike12]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326690681' post='952745']
I hope you're joking!
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mo im not flacco doesntyell at theplayers when they make a mistake like brady yeling at ochocinco