The Final Word On Joe's Season (Stats)

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326686807' post='952608']

I don't praise mediocrity. While he wasn't terrible, I can't say he played a great game. Yes there were drops, yes the line struggled but in no way did Flacco have a good game. HIs TD pass to Wilson was nice other than that, he went 3 quarters without an impact. Offense fizzled out, yeah thats Cams fault but Joe has to make better decisions with the ball. Guess im too hard on a 4th year QB....guess you all were spoon fed til your mid 20's too.....he did not play a great game, and i watched the game so why don't you grow up and take criticism like a man , and im fine that my opinion of Joe Flacco matched that of the media when calling a spade a spade. How can you be happy with a QB's performance when you put 17 points in one quarter and 3 total in the next 3. Put one ball on the carpet and contributed to a a fumbled hand off. He did not have a great game.
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Why aren't you talking about how ONCE AGAIN Ray Rice was completely erased by a good defense? His performance was the definition of mediocre -- if not worse.

On the other hand, Flacco accounted for the only TDs we scored today. No thanks to Rice, getting stuffed on 4th and a foot.

[SaVaGe]

Flacco played some of the best pass defenses this year. It wasn't a slump it just is that he didn't have the pleasure of playing weak pass defenses like Rodgers. Also with the conclusion of the season he has better stats than Brees in his first 4.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1326687556' post='952630']

So basically the whole offense stunk it up today.. but you just wanna talk about Flacco?

Flacco isn't capable of carrying the load of the entire offense when all those things you named (including the run game) is in the pits. Honestly, I don't think any QB can.. just look at Rodgers tonight.. and he got help from the refs.

[b]No, Flacco didn't play well.[/b] Besides a few big plays here and there, the offense didn't play well. Give the Texans some props for showing why[b] they're the #2 defense in the league[/b].
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See, here's where I would completely disagree. They were the number 2 defense in the league, they neutralized Torrey totally by putting JJ on him all game, and they got pressure on Flacco like crazy, partly because they were so good, partly because our o-line struggled badly. Ray Rice did absolutely nothing, all this talk about how he was the driving force of this offense, and he did nothing - 3.3 yards a carry. Not to mention the receivers dropped 6 catchable balls. Why isn't completing effectively 62 percent of your passes (i.e. factoring in the drops), with 2 TDs and O turnovers at all against the number 2 defense in the league, despite being sacked 5 times, especially considering you have no running game and all of the stupid media pressure on you the last week, why isn't that playing well? How much better could he have been?

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326687883' post='952641']

See, here's where I would completely disagree. They were the number 2 defense in the league, they neutralized Torrey totally by putting JJ on him all game, and they got pressure on Flacco like crazy, partly because they were so good, partly because our o-line struggled badly. Not to mention the receivers dropped 6 catchable balls. Why isn't completing effectively 62 percent of your passes (i.e. factoring in the drops), with 2 TDs and O turnovers at all, despite being sacked 5 times, especially considering all of the stupid media pressure on you the last week, why isn't that playing well? How much better could he have been?
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Good point. We got incredible field position for that 2nd TD though. Thank Jacoby Jones for that.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326687883' post='952641']

See, here's where I would completely disagree. They were the number 2 defense in the league, they neutralized Torrey totally by putting JJ on him all game, and they got pressure on Flacco like crazy, partly because they were so good, partly because our o-line struggled badly. Ray Rice did absolutely nothing, all this talk about how he was the driving force of this offense, and he did nothing - 3.3 yards a carry. Not to mention the receivers dropped 6 catchable balls. Why isn't completing effectively 62 percent of your passes (i.e. factoring in the drops), with 2 TDs and O turnovers at all against the number 2 defense in the league, despite being sacked 5 times, especially considering you have no running game and all of the stupid media pressure on you the last week, why isn't that playing well? How much better could he have been?
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Why do we bother?

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326687359' post='952623']

I'm happy that my quarterback threw 2 TDs and didn't turn the ball over against one of the best defenses in the NFL. I'm happy that he put up good numbers despite the fact that his receivers dropped 5 passes (otherwise his completion percentage would have been 63 percent, very good) and he was sacked 5 times today, not a single one being his fault. There are times when he holds the ball too long and takes a sack, but every one of them occurred when the pass rushers got to him as soon as the ball was snapped. At times Yanda was just completely obliterated. But Flacco stood tall. He certainly outplayed Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers this weekend. Of course, you keep calling it mediocrity and "a spade is a spade". By all means, find me the quarterback that has played well against Pittsburgh this year - oh that's right, Flacco is the only guy that played the way he did against the Pittsburgh Steelers' #1 ranked pass defense. You obviously don't know the definition of mediocre.

But I'll tell you what I really think. The truth is, you want an athletic, running quarterback here and since Flacco isn't, you don't like him, is what I think.
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Athletic running QB? not at all, I don't want an RG3 or Cam Newton. Joe is capable of using his legs, i've seen it before.

Can you honestly say that none of the sacks were his fault? I'll admit the offensive line made mistakes but you are basically saying Joe made no mistakes...thats just false.

Yeah he played GREAT against the Steelers but we have to play the Patriots now where there will be a shootout. The fact that the media and radio heads will be talking about the offenses ability to put up points for 60 minutes proves my point that Cam and Joe are holding this team back....he holds on to the ball too long, yet he never goes through his reads, he goes to the hot read everytime even if they arent open!

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326688102' post='952653']
yet he never goes through his reads, he goes to the hot read everytime even if they arent open!
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That simply is not true.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1326688049' post='952648']

Good point. We got incredible field position for that 2nd TD though. Thank Jacoby Jones for that.
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Yep. I won't deny the Texans gift-wrapped that one for us. But that's the playoffs, you have to be mentally tough, no turnovers. We forced 3, I think, and I don't think we gave up any. Both teams fought hard, but we won mainly IMO because we made no mistakes and capitalized on theirs.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326688102' post='952653']
Athletic running QB? not at all, I don't want an RG3 or Cam Newton. Joe is capable of using his legs, i've seen it before.

[b]Can you honestly say that none of the sacks were his fault?[/b] I'll admit the offensive line made mistakes but you are basically saying Joe made no mistakes...thats just false.

Yeah he played GREAT against the Steelers but we have to play the Patriots now where there will be a shootout. The fact that the media and radio heads will be talking about the offenses ability to put up points for 60 minutes proves my point that Cam and Joe are holding this team back....he holds on to the ball too long, yet he never goes through his reads, he goes to the hot read everytime even if they arent open!

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Every sack i saw, and the three they have on replay in the highlights, guys were on him in 3 seconds or less. He hadn't finished dropping back yet, and he was sacked. So yes, at least 3 of the 5 sacks were NOT his fault. If he's still dropping back and gets sacked, there's nothing he can do. Maybe I counted wrong, but the general rule is 3 seconds, yes? i don't remember him holding on to the ball any longer - he threw at least 2 of his passes away because nobody was open.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326688102' post='952653']

hot read everytime even if they arent open!
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Pretty sure Wilson was NOT the hot read on the TD.

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326687815' post='952637']


Why aren't you talking about how ONCE AGAIN Ray Rice was completely erased by a good defense? His performance was the definition of mediocre -- if not worse.

On the other hand, Flacco accounted for the only TDs we scored today. No thanks to Rice, getting stuffed on 4th and a foot.
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Rice was snuffed out, that's true. And you see how much we struggle when our run offense is compromised. Joe can't carry us consistently. Not asking for 400 yards and 5 tds a week, just want him to move the chains, not fumble and make plays that a 4th year qb should make. His training wheels are off, stop coddling him.

The whole offense struggled, but you are the same people who want to say flacco is 44-20 or whatever, well he contributed to this poor offensive outing and our defense bailed us out yet again. yeah he is better than Dilfer or Boller, but by no means is he elite, great or top 3 best QB remaining. He is behind even Smith because smith can see that when the pocket is collapsing there is a time you can make plays with your feet. Joe isn't slow, he can run!

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326688445' post='952662']

Pretty sure Wilson was NOT the hot read on the TD.
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So a play action waggle to the Tight End wasn't the read? interesting....that play was designed to go to Wilson, it was a good play and Joe executed it well. It was most definitely planned though, which is fine, but wilson was the hot read on that play.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326688102' post='952653']
Athletic running QB? not at all, I don't want an RG3 or Cam Newton. Joe is capable of using his legs, i've seen it before.

Can you honestly say that none of the sacks were his fault? I'll admit the offensive line made mistakes but you are basically saying Joe made no mistakes...thats just false.

Yeah he played GREAT against the Steelers but we have to play the Patriots now where[b] there will be a shootout[/b]. The fact that the media and radio heads will be talking about the offenses ability to put up points for 60 minutes proves my point that Cam and Joe are holding this team back....he holds on to the ball too long, yet he never goes through his reads, he goes to the hot read everytime even if they arent open!
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You sure? I don't remember that 2009 Wildcard game being a shootout and everyone said it would be.

Sure, they are different teams, but they are still built the same.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326688513' post='952667'] well he contributed to this poor offensive outing and our defense bailed us out yet again. yeah he is better than Dilfer or Boller, but by no means is he elite, great or top 3 best QB remaining. He is behind even Smith because smith can see that when the pocket is collapsing there is a time you can make plays with your feet. Joe isn't slow, he can run!
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He contributed to this poor performance how exactly? Is it his fault our WR drop everything thrown their way? How did Aaron Rodgers look today with his recievers playing like garbage?
Is it his fault Rice got stuffed all day long?

What is his fault was throwing 2 TDs, not turning the ball over a single time, and being the only bright spot other than Boldin on this offense all day.

[Alexir]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326688759' post='952675']

You sure? I don't remember that 2009 Wildcard game being a shootout and everyone said it would be.

Sure, they are different teams, but they are still built the same.
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Thats true but 2009 was the year of the wide receivers. I don't know how we will match up against Gronk and Hernandez on Defense and if they snuff out Rice early, can Joe really lead us to victory? I hope so, I'll cheer him on like I usually do but I don't see him having the ability to carry this offense without Rice.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326688620' post='952671']
So a play action waggle to the Tight End wasn't the read? interesting....that play was designed to go to Wilson, it was a good play and Joe executed it well. It was most definitely planned though, which is fine, but wilson was the hot read on that play.
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And the play resulted in a TD, so what is the point of arguing whether or not it was the hot read?

[marylandmike12]

the only thing i want to see is joe flaco yelling like brees who dat

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326688513' post='952667']
Rice was snuffed out, that's true. And you see how much we struggle when our run offense is compromised. Joe can't carry us consistently. Not asking for 400 yards and 5 tds a week, just want him to move the chains, not fumble and make plays that a 4th year qb should make. His training wheels are off, stop coddling him.

The whole offense struggled, but you are the same people who want to say flacco is 44-20 or whatever, well he contributed to this poor offensive outing and our defense bailed us out yet again. yeah he is better than Dilfer or Boller, but by no means is he elite, great or top 3 best QB remaining. He is behind even Smith because smith can see that when the pocket is collapsing there is a time you can make plays with your feet. Joe isn't slow, he can run!
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Saints are one of the worst passing defenses in the league.. like almost as bad as the Patriots.. 30th. Texans are the 3rd best passing defense in the league.

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326688832' post='952676']

He contributed to this poor performance how exactly? Is it his fault our WR drop everything thrown their way? How did Aaron Rodgers look today with his recievers playing like garbage?
Is it his fault Rice got stuffed all day long?

What is his fault was throwing 2 TDs, not turning the ball over a single time, and being the only bright spot other than Boldin on this offense all day.
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While the Texans defense is great, there is no reason for an offense to only put 3 points up over 3 quarters. Rice played like crap today, I'll admit it, but that doesn't translate to Flacco having a great game. He wasn't terrible but he wasn't anything to write home about either. Yeah he threw for 2 touchdowns, the strike to Boldin was great, it really is but don't fluff his stats or his performance by a 1 yard TD pass that was poorly spotted. He made a great throw on that play, was very clutch but just disappeared after those turnovers by our defense.

WEBB FOR MVP!

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326689141' post='952685']
While the Texans defense is great, there is no reason for an offense to only put 3 points up over 3 quarters. Rice played like crap today, I'll admit it, but that doesn't translate to Flacco having a great game. He wasn't terrible but he wasn't anything to write home about either. Yeah he threw for 2 touchdowns, the strike to Boldin was great, it really is but don't fluff his stats or his performance by a 1 yard TD pass that was poorly spotted. He made a great throw on that play, was very clutch but just disappeared after those turnovers by our defense.

WEBB FOR MVP!
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You do realize that if we had FGs instead of his TDs there, we would lose.

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326688984' post='952680']

And the play resulted in a TD, so what is the point of arguing whether or not it was the hot read?
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i was defending that the play itself was the hot read. And yeah, it did result in a td and it was a great play. he said Wilson wasn't the read and i argued against that.

What about the other 26 passes? theres no shame throwing it to the hot read but he needs to control the offense more and going through his progressions is the only way he will evolve at QB

[Alexir]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326689258' post='952688']

You do realize that if we had FGs instead of his TDs there, we would lose.
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You do realize if it wasn't for the turnovers he wouldn't of had those TDs right? Jacoby Jones won us that game...

[Alexir]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1326689050' post='952683']

Saints are one of the worst passing defenses in the league.. like almost as bad as the Patriots.. 30th. Texans are the 3rd best passing defense in the league.
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So Joe will have a great game then, right?

[keebl3rs]

We won ugly. No style points for us.. darn.

BTW, since you mentioned the Flacco fumble.. why not mention the Rice goal line fumble. Seriously, Texans defense is solid. If we come out looking like this against the Pats, then you can be concerned.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326689320' post='952690']
You do realize if it wasn't for the turnovers he wouldn't of had those TDs right? Jacoby Jones won us that game...
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So lets pretend he still didn't throw the TDs. He threw the TDs, and if he didn't we'd have 2 FGs. And we lose.

[Ravenslifer]

Seriously I thought a certain wizard would be on here to crow about how he knew Flacco would lead us to failure ... oh wait. Sucks there were all those drops though, because you know that kid will point to Joe's completion percentage because a better quarterback would have "cast a spell" - like a wizard, heh - on the ball and made it stick to the receivers' hands.

[Alexir]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1326689643' post='952703']

So lets pretend he still didn't throw the TDs. He threw the TDs, and if he didn't we'd have 2 FGs. And we lose.
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Despite the poor spot the refs gave us, that should of been a ray rice td but yeah flacco threw 2 great td passes off the turnovers. thank god for defense and special teams.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326689719' post='952705']
Seriously I thought a certain wizard would be on here to crow about how he knew Flacco would lead us to failure ... oh wait. Sucks there were all those drops though, because you know that kid will point to Joe's completion percentage because a better quarterback would have "cast a spell" - like a wizard, heh - on the ball and made it stick to the receivers' hands.
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wizard?....Going into this game, I didn't say Flacco would lead us to failure, honestly I cheer the guy on, i just don't come off as impressed as you all.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326689840' post='952707']
Despite the poor spot the refs gave us, that should of been a ray rice td but yeah flacco threw 2 great td passes off the turnovers. thank god for defense and special teams.
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I'm not taking anything away from the defense and STs, but they didn't throw the TDs and score the 14 points.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326689929' post='952712']
wizard?....Going into this game, I didn't say Flacco would lead us to failure, honestly I cheer the guy on, i just don't come off as impressed as you all.
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I think he's referring to wizard1.