The Final Word On Joe's Season (Stats)

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326476894' post='945858']

This is why I stand by my statements. You and several other posters don't like Flacco, and want him gone. Fine. There is no logic to you continuing to blame him for a pick on a perfectly thrown pass to a receiver. Just as with RBates, I'm done arguing with you. I can't argue against someone who's so set in his ways that he will constantly blame one player for everyone else's mistakes. I find it unfortunate, because I believe that no matter who the players is and what they've done (i.e. David Reed), I will support them and my team 100 percent. You, I believe, want Flacco to fail so you can point out his failures. It's the only explanation I can come up with for you continuing to blame him for that particular pick, and for being the sole reason we were in the hole we were in against Arizona.
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I have no problem with Joe Flacco I just think he is a good game manager, you all think he is a top 10 QB or something. It was not a perfectly thrown pass. But yeah Torrey should of caught it.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326518764' post='946435']
I have no problem with Joe Flacco I just think he is a good game manager, you all think he is a top 10 QB or something. It was not a perfectly thrown pass. But yeah Torrey should of caught it.
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A pass that is thrown right between the numbers is not perfectly thrown? Pray tell me, what is a perfectly thrown pass then?

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326518923' post='946436']

A pass that is thrown right between the numbers is not perfectly thrown? Pray tell me, what is a perfectly thrown pass then?
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The pass it's self was fine. The timing and the fact that a rookie had 3 defenders on him wasn't the best scenario. But I realize I am not going to win this arguement so you all can rejoice and admit that Flacco wasn't to blame for the pick at all (even though he threw the ball) but whatever. Im done with you people.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326519113' post='946440']
The pass it's self was fine. The timing and the fact that a rookie had 3 defenders on him wasn't the best scenario. But I realize I am not going to win this arguement so you all can rejoice and admit that Flacco wasn't to blame for the pick at all (even though he threw the ball) but whatever. Im done with you people.
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What league do you think we're in? Throwing into double or triple coverage is routine in the NFL. The play had to be made, Flacco was about to be hit, Torrey was looking at him with arms extended, Flacco threw it, Torrey caught it, the defender hit Torrey, the ball popped out of Torrey's hands, another defender caught it. Throws into tight windows are what separates good quarterbacks from bad ones. Taking calculated risks are all part of the game, and in this case, on Flacco's end, everything went well. 9 times out of 10 Torrey either catches it or it hits the turf. This one time it popped up and backwards to a defender. Nothing was Flacoo's fault. It was the right read, the right throw, and should have been completed. If you can't make the throw, don't throw it, but Joe routinely makes those kinds of throws. How many times have you seen Q, Mason, or Heap in double or triple coverage make those catches? All the time. It was a mistake on Torrey's part, certainly not entirely his fault, but come on, what did you want Flacco to do? Throw the ball away? Take a sack? So then you could complain about Torrey being "wide open" in NFL terms, where "windows are almost nonexistent", and Flacco is too scared to throw it? Seriously, what would you do in that situation? An elite NFL quarterback would make that throw 10 times out of 10, and trust their receiver to make the play.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326519898' post='946444']

What league do you think we're in? Throwing into double or triple coverage is routine in the NFL. The play had to be made, Flacco was about to be hit, Torrey was looking at him with arms extended, Flacco threw it, Torrey caught it, the defender hit Torrey, the ball popped out of Torrey's hands, another defender caught it. Throws into tight windows are what separates good quarterbacks from bad ones. Taking calculated risks are all part of the game, and in this case, on Flacco's end, everything went well. 9 times out of 10 Torrey either catches it or it hits the turf. This one time it popped up and backwards to a defender. Nothing was Flacoo's fault. It was the right read, the right throw, and should have been completed. If you can't make the throw, don't throw it, but Joe routinely makes those kinds of catches. How many times have you seen Q, Mason, or Heap in double or triple coverage make those catches? All the time. It was a mistake on Torrey's part, certainly not entirely his fault, but come on, what did you want Flacco to do? Throw the ball away? Take a sack? So then you could complain about Torrey being "wide open" in NFL terms, where "windows are almost nonexistent", and Flacco is too scared to throw it? Seriously, what would you do in that situation? An elite NFL quarterback would make that throw 10 times out of 10, and trust their receiver to make the play.
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I agree with you put my initial point was that since he was the passer he did contribute to the pick but I agree that it was Torrey's fault. But I'll drop it because im just wasting my time.

It was a good throw and for the most part Joe hasn't thrown a lot of stupid picks so yeah that one shouldn't of counted and Torrey should of caught it.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326486474' post='946020']
Average is the middle value used in a group of numbers. This has nothing to do with the skill he posses or his talent level. He was an Average Qb this year, he is a middle of the road guy. I don't care how you word it.[/quote]


actually, that is not what an average is. You're refering to the mean value.

So by definition, Flacco is a mean QB.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326519113' post='946440']
The pass it's self was fine. The timing and the fact that a rookie had 3 defenders on him wasn't the best scenario. But I realize I am not going to win this arguement so you all can rejoice and admit that Flacco wasn't to blame for the pick at all (even though he threw the ball) but whatever. Im done with you people.[/quote]


so using your logic, Flacco is also to blame every time Rice fumbles. After all, Flacco is the one who handed it off to him.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326525051' post='946466']
actually, that is not what an average is. You're refering to the mean value.

So by definition, Flacco is a mean QB.
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I think you meant median. Average and mean are the same thing.

[Alexir]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1326525491' post='946468']

I think you meant median. Average and mean are the same thing.
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If we are measuring Joe's stats by passer rating maybe we should use the mode method? lol

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326425661' post='945400']
It was a consistency joke and I believe Flacco was sort of the reason we fell behind versus the Cards but I understand what you are saying. But to only put 7 on a team (which came in the 4th quarter) is just embarassing and out of all of our losses, I want that game back.

San Diego was a horrible game. If webb was healthy I think it would of been closer but the Tennessee game wasn't just the defenses fault. Yeah we had Foxworth in but the offense didn't put points up until the 6th drive...
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My point was you said Denver vs. Houston, and honestly neither team sticks out. Both have great running games and good defense. Honestly, I think Tebow is better or as good as Yates....so idk what your point was in the original post.

I agree Flacco is inconsistent. All the movement on offense has been hard on him. But I expect him to make some noise in the playoffs, and I don't doubt him as a player with great upside. We're lucky to have him over most other young qbs.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326557319' post='946585']
If we are measuring Joe's stats by passer rating maybe we should use the mode method? lol
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So we should compare him to the most frequent passer rating? Is the joke that it makes no sense? Lol, that's not even a criticism of Joe as far as I can tell.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326486474' post='946020']
Average is the middle value used in a group of numbers. This has nothing to do with the skill he posses or his talent level. He was an Average Qb this year, he is a middle of the road guy. I don't care how you word it.
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Once again you are disrespecting the defenses the guy has played. 12 games against passing defenses ranked in the top 10 in the league. No other quarterback had to do that. The AFC North played the AFC East, but only the Ravens played the Jets. Only the Ravens played the Chargers' and their top 10 passing defense. The Steelers got to play New England and their passing defense ranked DEAD LAST in the league. What do you think we would have put up vs. them? Flacco has played the toughest schedule out of any quarterback this season, based on the ranking of the passing defenses he went up against. Why do you disrespect the other teams in this league and their players?

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326518764' post='946435']

I have no problem with Joe Flacco I just think he is a good game manager, you all think he is a top 10 QB or something. It was not a perfectly thrown pass. But yeah Torrey should of caught it.
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Spiraling, in the numbers, on time....yeah. it could've been better..... wait, huh?

Fail.

Torreys fault. Just admit it. You're being foolish man.

[The Prestige]

When I look at a quarterback, the first stat I look at is POINTS SCORED.

The Ravens had some really ugly, self-inflicted moments on offense this year. Flacco is not an incredibly accurate thrower, but those close games down the stretch would have been beatdowns if receivers had caught the ball.

All complaints aside, the Ravens faced 7 of the 8 toughest defenses they could possibly have faced, 8 of the 10 toughest. The eight teams they faced that finished in the top 11 in PPG allowed were: Steelers, 49ers, Texans, Browns, Seahawks, Titans, Cincinnati and Jacksonville. They played three of those teams two times each.

All of this while Dennis Pitta, Ed Dickson, Ricky Wililams and Torrey Smith adjusted to their first years getting significant snaps in the offense and while Lee Evans battled injury.

[flynismo]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1326565268' post='946687']


Spiraling, in the numbers, on time....[/quote]

those are the only things Flacco is responsible for on that particular play.

It's painfully obvious to every single person here, except for one; I wish we could just move on from this "debate".

[Raven43hike]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1326118822' post='940776']
I don't recall Joe having his "Sophmore slump". So.. if this is his down year.. I'll take it!
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GREAT POINT NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT !!!!!!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326570486' post='946753']
those are the only things Flacco is responsible for on that particular play.

It's painfully obvious to every single person here, except for one; I wish we could just move on from this [b]"debate"[/b].
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There is no debate. Everyone knows it was a perfect pass from Joe and in no way his fault. The problem here is those who don't want to give Joe credit have to use something. Like I said, stats are meaningless until they support these guys' arguments. Then they have meaning. When I defend Flacco, apparently I'm too caught up in the stats to have watched the game, but when "certain posters" (I try very hard not to name names) want to rob Flacco of the credit he deserves in leading the comeback against the Cardinals, then the interception off a ball that bounced BACKWARDS from Torrey's hands to the defender matters.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326570752' post='946762']

There is no debate. Everyone knows it was a perfect pass from Joe and in no way his fault. The problem here is those who don't want to give Joe credit have to use something. Like I said, stats are meaningless until they support these guys' arguments. Then they have meaning. When I defend Flacco, apparently I'm too caught up in the stats to have watched the game, but when "certain posters" (I try very hard not to name names) want to rob Flacco of the credit he deserves in leading the comeback against the Cardinals, then the interception off a ball that bounced BACKWARDS from Torrey's hands to the defender matters.
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Haters gonna hate. Just a sad fact of life.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326562849' post='946638']

Once again you are disrespecting the defenses the guy has played. 12 games against passing defenses ranked in the top 10 in the league. No other quarterback had to do that. The AFC North played the AFC East, but only the Ravens played the Jets. Only the Ravens played the Chargers' and their top 10 passing defense. The Steelers got to play New England and their passing defense ranked DEAD LAST in the league. What do you think we would have put up vs. them? Flacco has played the toughest schedule out of any quarterback this season, based on the ranking of the passing defenses he went up against. Why do you disrespect the other teams in this league and their players?
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So Flacco should have no trouble with the Patriots defense,because they are 2nd to last in the league. We will see. If we win today we got it in the bag then right? Because Green bay's Defense is the worst in the league and the giants are ranked 27th. Yeah if we win today the Superbowl is ours. Go Flacco

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326488156' post='946053']

Once again, you show your true colors. [b]You claim stats are important when you use the number of receptions Ray Rice has and claim no elite quarterbacks do that - but somehow Darren Sproles ends up with more catches than Rice but you give Drew Brees a pass. [/b]Then stats don't matter when people bring up the caliber of defenses quarterbacks face, or the number of times they're allowed to throw in the red zone. You are so inconsistent it boggles the mind.
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Wrong guy.

[Alexir]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1326562327' post='946633']

So we should compare him to the most frequent passer rating? Is the joke that it makes no sense? Lol, that's not even a criticism of Joe as far as I can tell.
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Just making a joke about the average and mean reference, you should remove the stick....

[Alexir]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1326565268' post='946687']
Spiraling, in the numbers, on time....yeah. it could've been better..... wait, huh?

Fail.

Torreys fault. Just admit it. You're being foolish man.
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yeah, Joe played great today.....Just admit it, you're being foolish man...

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326676850' post='952134']
yeah, [b]Joe played great today[/b].....Just admit it, you're being foolish man...
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Truth or sarcasm?

[Alexir]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326676930' post='952139']
Truth or sarcasm?
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His Offensive line didn't give him consistent time but there is no way I can say he played good. Yeah there were drops but there were a lot of "what the heck" moments.

again I say it, the passing game will be the death of us...

[Militant X 1]

joe's season is not over...he's still playing...so i'll hold off on the "final word" thing! lol!

~Mili

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326677127' post='952160']
His Offensive line didn't give him consistent time but there is no way I can say he played good. Yeah there were drops but there were a lot of "what the heck" moments.

again I say it, the passing game will be the death of us...
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Okie dokie...

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326676850' post='952134']
yeah, Joe played great today.....Just admit it, you're being foolish man...
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Yeah he sucked, 93 quarterback rating with 5 dropped passes, otherwise he'd have had a rating over 100. We're all being foolish. Just admit you didn't watch the game.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326677377' post='952184']

Yeah he sucked, 93 quarterback rating with 5 dropped passes, otherwise he'd have had a rating over 100. We're all being foolish. Just admit you didn't watch the game.
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I don't praise mediocrity. While he wasn't terrible, I can't say he played a great game. Yes there were drops, yes the line struggled but in no way did Flacco have a good game. HIs TD pass to Wilson was nice other than that, he went 3 quarters without an impact. Offense fizzled out, yeah thats Cams fault but Joe has to make better decisions with the ball. Guess im too hard on a 4th year QB....guess you all were spoon fed til your mid 20's too.....he did not play a great game, and i watched the game so why don't you grow up and take criticism like a man , and im fine that my opinion of Joe Flacco matched that of the media when calling a spade a spade. How can you be happy with a QB's performance when you put 17 points in one quarter and 3 total in the next 3. Put one ball on the carpet and contributed to a a fumbled hand off. He did not have a great game.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326686807' post='952608']

I don't praise mediocrity. While he wasn't terrible, I can't say he played a great game. Yes there were drops, yes the line struggled but in no way did Flacco have a good game. HIs TD pass to Wilson was nice other than that, he went 3 quarters without an impact. Offense fizzled out, yeah thats Cams fault but Joe has to make better decisions with the ball. Guess im too hard on a 4th year QB....guess you all were spoon fed til your mid 20's too.....he did not play a great game, and i watched the game so why don't you grow up and take criticism like a man , and im fine that my opinion of Joe Flacco matched that of the media when calling a spade a spade. How can you be happy with a QB's performance when you put 17 points in one quarter and 3 total in the next 3. Put one ball on the carpet and contributed to a a fumbled hand off. He did not have a great game.
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I'm happy that my quarterback threw 2 TDs and didn't turn the ball over against one of the best defenses in the NFL. I'm happy that he put up good numbers despite the fact that his receivers dropped 5 passes (otherwise his completion percentage would have been 63 percent, very good) and he was sacked 5 times today, not a single one being his fault. There are times when he holds the ball too long and takes a sack, but every one of them occurred when the pass rushers got to him as soon as the ball was snapped. At times Yanda was just completely obliterated. But Flacco stood tall. He certainly outplayed Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers this weekend. Of course, you keep calling it mediocrity and "a spade is a spade". By all means, find me the quarterback that has played well against Pittsburgh this year - oh that's right, Flacco is the only guy that played the way he did against the Pittsburgh Steelers' #1 ranked pass defense. You obviously don't know the definition of mediocre.

But I'll tell you what I really think. The truth is, you want an athletic, running quarterback here and since Flacco isn't, you don't like him, is what I think.

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326686807' post='952608']

I don't praise mediocrity. While he wasn't terrible, I can't say he played a great game. [b]Yes there were drops, yes the line struggled[/b] but in no way did Flacco have a good game. HIs TD pass to Wilson was nice other than that, he went 3 quarters without an impact. [b]Offense fizzled out, yeah thats Cams fault[/b] but Joe has to make better decisions with the ball. Guess im too hard on a 4th year QB....guess you all were spoon fed til your mid 20's too.....he did not play a great game, and i watched the game so why don't you grow up and take criticism like a man , and im fine that my opinion of Joe Flacco matched that of the media when calling a spade a spade. How can you be happy with a QB's performance when you put 17 points in one quarter and 3 total in the next 3. Put one ball on the carpet and contributed to a a fumbled hand off. He did not have a great game.
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So basically the whole offense stunk it up today.. but you just wanna talk about Flacco?

Flacco isn't capable of carrying the load of the entire offense when all those things you named (including the run game) is in the pits. Honestly, I don't think any QB can.. just look at Rodgers tonight.. and he got help from the refs.

No, Flacco didn't play well. Besides a few big plays here and there, the offense didn't play well. Give the Texans some props for showing why they're the #2 defense in the league.