The Final Word On Joe's Season (Stats)

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326428941' post='945438']
2 Turnovers by him in the 2nd quarter.
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The fumble was mostly his fault I guess. But the pick was a throw to Torrey right on target. Why do you choose to ignore that? Torrey even felt bad about it, they had to reassure him. But whatever fits your dislike of Joe, right?

[BmoreRavens732]

I dont even think the fumble was on him...i agree HE has to hold onto the ball but he just barely got done dropping back and got smashed from behind that quick wich was his blind side...its pretty hard holding onto a ball with just 2 hands and not tucked away...wich btw he didnt have a chance to tuck it away cuz it happened from behind and in a blink of an eye

[Alexir]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1326429237' post='945440']

The fumble was mostly his fault I guess. But the pick was a throw to Torrey right on target. Why do you choose to ignore that? Torrey even felt bad about it, they had to reassure him. But whatever fits your dislike of Joe, right?
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Dislike of Joe? Just stating a fact. He had 2 turnovers in the 2nd quarter. Love how people take shots at the defense or special teams, which is deserving sometimes, but when you talk about Joe everyone gets their panties in a bunch. He caused a fumble and he threw a ball that was intercepted. Whether it was tipped or not doesn't matter thats on Joe and you're right Torrey is to blame too. But the fact remains that the intial comment was that Joe had to bail us out versus the Cardinals when he had contributed to the turnovers in the first place.

[BmoreRavens732]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326430385' post='945451']

Dislike of Joe? Just stating a fact. He had 2 turnovers in the 2nd quarter. Love how people take shots at the defense or special teams, which is deserving sometimes, but when you talk about Joe everyone gets their panties in a bunch. He caused a fumble and he threw a ball that was intercepted. Whether it was tipped or not doesn't matter thats on Joe and you're right Torrey is to blame too. But the fact remains that the intial comment was that Joe had to bail us out versus the Cardinals when he had contributed to the turnovers in the first place.
[/quote]cool...he still bailed us out

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326430385' post='945451']
Dislike of Joe? Just stating a fact. He had 2 turnovers in the 2nd quarter. Love how people take shots at the defense or special teams, which is deserving sometimes, but when you talk about Joe everyone gets their panties in a bunch. He caused a fumble and he threw a ball that was intercepted. [b]Whether it was tipped or not doesn't matter thats on Joe[/b] and you're right Torrey is to blame too. But the fact remains that the intial comment was that Joe had to bail us out versus the Cardinals when he had contributed to the turnovers in the first place.
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Um....no?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326430385' post='945451']
Dislike of Joe? Just stating a fact. He had 2 turnovers in the 2nd quarter. Love how people take shots at the defense or special teams, which is deserving sometimes, but when you talk about Joe everyone gets their panties in a bunch. He caused a fumble and he threw a ball that was intercepted. Whether it was tipped or not doesn't matter [b]thats on Joe[/b] and you're right Torrey is to blame too. But the fact remains that the intial comment was that Joe had to bail us out versus the Cardinals when he had contributed to the turnovers in the first place.
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Explain your logic in stating that a ball bouncing backwards off his receiver's hands into the hands of a defender is the fault of the quarterback.

[Alexir]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1326468609' post='945648']

Um....no?
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Um...YES. He threw the ball, Torrey tipped it. They are both equally to blame. It's not the defense or Special teams fault that the ball was tipped. Joe's the guy throwing the balls while it is mostly Torrey's fault, it still comes down to JOE THROWING THE BALL. Let me guess, its the offensive lines fault for all of his fumbles too.

Is flacco god to you or something? lol My original point was that someone said he won us the Cardinals game and bailed out the team and my point was he threw an interception (however it was picked doesn't matter for this point) and fumbled in the 2nd quarter which led to scoring drives.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326469331' post='945663']

Explain your logic in stating that a ball bouncing backwards off his receiver's hands into the hands of a defender is is fault.
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Look below you.

While it might not be "All on him" he is still the one who threw it in triple coverage, Torrey should of caught it but it's still on Flacco's stat sheet and it was him who THREW IT.

I understand that a lot of guys have dropped a lot of balls, I do. The point Im making is he contributed to 2 turnovers in the 2nd quarter.....

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326469611' post='945667']
Look below you.

While it might not be "All on him" he is still the one who threw it in triple coverage, Torrey should of caught it but it's still on Flacco's stat sheet and it was him who THREW IT.

I understand that a lot of guys have dropped a lot of balls, I do. The point Im making is he contributed to 2 turnovers in the 2nd quarter.....
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No, that's not the point. The point is that he threw the ball and it slipped out of Torrey's hands. Whether or not he threw it into triple coverage doesn't matter - if he can make the throw he should throw it. It was not a bad throw. Elite quarterbacks throw into triple coverage all the time. Heck, last week in the Lions-Saints game, Stafford hit Calvin Johnson 2 or 3 times in double or triple coverage, and he made the play. If Joe throws it off target, then I can understand, but quarterbacks, and especially elite ones, HAVE to make plays in tight coverage. We won't get the St. Louis Ram's pass defense in the playoffs, we will be facing one of the best in the league on Sunday. And Joe will have to make the same kind of throws if we expect to win. But that throw to Torrey was a good decision, and on the money. Torrey dropped it, which happens. What doesn't always happen is that there is a defender right there who can make a play on the ball. It was a mistake, but it was Torrey's mistake. I'm not saying Joe doesn't make mistakes, and stupid ones at that - like the San Diego game where he saw the defender looking at him and "thought he could get around him", but was picked off. That was completely Joe's fault. But the quarterback's JOB is to make the tough throws to win his team the game. Joe did that, and especially on this throw. It was bad luck, you could say it was nobody's fault, but a quarterback is not responsible for his perfectly thrown pass bouncing UP off his receiver's hands. How are you justifying this? Why was it a bad decision, when all Torrey had to do was keep a tighter grip on the ball? Watch the play again - it's at 1:10 on the video. The defender who ended up with the ball was 4 feet to the left of Torrey and 2 feet behind him. Joe certainly did NOT throw the ball there. That was in zero way Joe Flacco's fault.

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[Alexir]

So one person says the fumble wasn't his fault now other people saying he didn't contribute at all to the interception. Joe can't do no wrong.

Yes I've seen the video and like I said it's triple coverage throwing to a rookie. Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature. Much taller than Torrey and His hands are huge. So first let's not compare the two on how they make plays double or tripled teams.

I have said several times that it was Torrey's fault. Several. The fact still remains Joe threw the ball so he is partially to blame. If Sam Koch punts to Patrick PEterson and 5 guys wiff. Guess who is also responsible for that? Sam Koch for putting the ball in that area! I'm not saying a 50/50 blame split or anything like that, Just saying he contributed to it.....and if you can't handle that opinion than don't post about it.

Brett Favre has thrown his fair share of picks which were tipped or deflected and they've been partially his fault.

But fine, Flacco is golden and we need to draft him Blackmon so we can see how elite Joe is without these "Bums" we surround him with lol JK

So let's say Flacco was 0% to blame for the pick, he still put the ball on the ground twice in that game. My response live I've said soooo many times to you people, is that the original comment was how he bailed out the defense and special teams versus Cardinals when he had just as much to do with the Cardinals score as anyone else.

[good_n_purple]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326097721' post='940687']
While I dont want to undermine what Brees and Rodgers accomplished this year -- what does it say about today's NFL when previously only two players in the history of the game threw for 5k yards, then this season THREE guys do it -- with Eli narrowly missing being the fourth.

5k yards is the new 4k yards.
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It Says exactly whatthe NFL wants it to say. They have been skewing the rules to favor offenses, and throwing for years.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326471370' post='945729']
So one person says the fumble wasn't his fault now other people saying he didn't contribute at all to the interception. Joe can't do no wrong.

Yes I've seen the video and like I said it's triple coverage throwing to a rookie. Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature. Much taller than Torrey and His hands are huge. So first let's not compare the two on how they make plays double or tripled teams.

I have said several times that it was Torrey's fault. Several. The fact still remains Joe threw the ball so he is partially to blame. If Sam Koch punts to Patrick PEterson and 5 guys wiff. Guess who is also responsible for that? Sam Koch for putting the ball in that area! I'm not saying a 50/50 blame split or anything like that, Just saying he contributed to it.....and if you can't handle that opinion than don't post about it.

Brett Favre has thrown his fair share of picks which were tipped or deflected and they've been partially his fault.

But fine, Flacco is golden and we need to draft him Blackmon so we can see how elite Joe is without these "Bums" we surround him with lol JK

So let's say Flacco was 0% to blame for the pick, he still put the ball on the ground twice in that game. My response live I've said soooo many times to you people, is that the original comment was how he bailed out the defense and special teams versus Cardinals when he had just as much to do with the Cardinals score as anyone else.
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I never said Joe doesn't make mistakes, in fact in my post I pointed out that particular interception in the San Diego game - entirely on Flacco. But the interception against the Cardinals was a good read, good throw, Torrey just didn't hold onto the ball. Of course Joe helped contribute to putting us in a hole, that fumble especially, because it was close to our endzone and the Cardinals got points off of it. The whole team contributed, offense defense, and special teams. Then the whole team brought us back, Joe included. The problem here is people blame Joe entirely for the hole, and say it was all Ray Rice who brought us back. Not true. Flacco and the RECEIVERS (who I notice are always almost never mentioned) really won that game for us - Boldin was a flat out beast in that game, with contributions by the running game and some great defensive plays when we needed it, and a good FG from Billy to seal the deal.

All I'm saying is that the one interception was not, and is not, the fault of Joe Flacco. Every NFL quarterback who wants to win a championship has to make difficult throws on the money. That's what Joe did. It would be different if it was a high ball that Torrey had to stretch for, but it was a [b]perfectly thrown pass[/b] that hit Torrey between the numbers. It's where every quarterback in the league would place it. So again, explain to me your thought process. Are you saying that Joe Flacco should never throw into double or triple coverage again? Because then he might be throwing about 10-15 times a game for the rest of his career. This is the NFL, throwing to covered receivers is what quarterbacks do ALL THE TIME.

I want one simple explanation. How is a perfectly thrown pass that hit the receiver in his hands and bounced off of them, up over his head and backwards into the hands of a defender, the fault of the quarterback?

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326469379' post='945664']
Um...YES. He threw the ball, Torrey tipped it. They are both equally to blame. It's not the defense or Special teams fault that the ball was tipped. Joe's the guy throwing the balls while it is mostly Torrey's fault, it still comes down to JOE THROWING THE BALL.[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] Let me guess, its the offensive lines fault for all of his fumbles too. [/font][/color]

Is flacco god to you or something? lol My original point was that someone said he won us the Cardinals game and bailed out the team and my point was he threw an interception ([b]however it was picked doesn't matter for this point[/b]) and fumbled in the 2nd quarter which led to scoring drives.
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What??? The whole crux of your argument is that he put us in the hole with mistakes. THAT INTERCEPTION WASN'T HIS MISTAKE! I even said you could put the fumble on him, so what are you talking about? Because I state the fact that it was a ball that was well thrown and should have been caught rather than deflected, I'm treating him like god? Whatever, man.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326469611' post='945667']
Look below you.

While it might not be "All on him" he is still the one who threw it in triple coverage, Torrey should of caught it but it's [b]still on Flacco's stat sheet[/b] and it was him who THREW IT.

I understand that a lot of guys have dropped a lot of balls, I do. The point Im making is he [b]contributed[/b] to 2 turnovers in the 2nd quarter.....
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So is that 44-20 win/loss record, but you don't mind providing caveats for that statistic. And I don't disagree with that, because there should be context for any statistic.

And the point I'm making is that on that interception, he did nothing to contribute to the turnover other than throwing the ball perfectly to Torrey Smith. If Torrey holds on to that ball you're not whining about him throwing into coverage right on target, even the new QBR statistic takes deflections into account when considering interceptions. It's OBVIOUS.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326471370' post='945729']
I have said several times that it was Torrey's fault. Several. [b]The fact still remains Joe threw the ball so he is partially to blame. If Sam Koch punts to Patrick PEterson and 5 guys wiff. Guess who is also responsible for that? Sam Koch for putting the ball in that area![/b] I'm not saying a 50/50 blame split or anything like that, Just saying he contributed to it.....and if you can't handle that opinion than don't post about it.
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Is this really how you view football? If Sam Koch punts the ball perfectly (not saying he did on that punt), and five guys whiff, are you going whine about how Koch put us in a hole?

We're saying that Flacco made a good decision with the ball. In hindsight, you want to attribute some "responsibility" to him, but he made a good throw! It doesn't make any sense, because you're not talking about contributing in some indirect way. You're talking as if he made a mistake.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326471370' post='945729']
Yes I've seen the video and like I said it's triple coverage throwing to a rookie. Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature. Much taller than Torrey and His hands are huge. So first let's not compare the two on how they make plays double or tripled teams.

But fine, Flacco is golden and we need to draft him Blackmon so we can see how elite Joe is without these "Bums" we surround him with lol JK
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Lol...so is Torrey an undependable rookie or a dependable target for Joe? Apparently we don't have the receivers to make risky throws, yet Flacco has plenty to work with. Which is it?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326471370' post='945729']
So one person says the fumble wasn't his fault now other people saying he didn't contribute at all to the interception. Joe can't do no wrong.

Yes I've seen the video and like I said it's triple coverage throwing to a rookie. Calvin Johnson is a freak of nature. Much taller than Torrey and His hands are huge. So first let's not compare the two on how they make plays double or tripled teams.

I have said several times that it was Torrey's fault. Several. The fact still remains Joe threw the ball so he is partially to blame. If Sam Koch punts to Patrick PEterson and 5 guys wiff. Guess who is also responsible for that? Sam Koch for putting the ball in that area! I'm not saying a 50/50 blame split or anything like that, Just saying he contributed to it.....and if you can't handle that opinion than don't post about it.

Brett Favre has thrown his fair share of picks which were tipped or deflected and they've been partially his fault.

But fine, Flacco is golden and we need to draft him Blackmon so we can see how elite Joe is without these "Bums" we surround him with lol JK

So let's say Flacco was 0% to blame for the pick, he still put the ball on the ground twice in that game. My response live I've said soooo many times to you people, is that the original comment was how he bailed out the defense and special teams versus Cardinals when he had just as much to do with the Cardinals score as anyone else.
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This is why I stand by my statements. You and several other posters don't like Flacco, and want him gone. Fine. There is no logic to you continuing to blame him for a pick on a perfectly thrown pass to a receiver. Just as with RBates, I'm done arguing with you. I can't argue against someone who's so set in his ways that he will constantly blame one player for everyone else's mistakes. I find it unfortunate, because I believe that no matter who the players is and what they've done (i.e. David Reed), I will support them and my team 100 percent. You, I believe, want Flacco to fail so you can point out his failures. It's the only explanation I can come up with for you continuing to blame him for that particular pick, and for being the sole reason we were in the hole we were in against Arizona.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326476894' post='945858']

This is why I stand by my statements. You and several other posters don't like Flacco, and want him gone. There is no logic to you continuing to blame him for a pick on a perfectly thrown pass to a receiver. Just as with RBates, I'm done arguing with you. I can't argue against someone who's so set in his ways that he will constantly blame one player for everyone else's mistakes.
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Yeah, it's not worth it. And the default response seems to be "You treat Flacco like a god! He can do no wrong!" I guess defending him from absurd criticisms is equivalent to being blinded with love for him, as far as they're concerned.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1326477196' post='945862']

Yeah, it's not worth it. And the default response seems to be "You treat Flacco like a god! He can do no wrong!" I guess defending him from absurd criticisms is equivalent to being blinded with love for him, as far as they're concerned.
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It's sad, because there are legitimate things I want to criticize Flacco for. He still stares down receivers at times, I think he checks down to Ray Rice too often, and most importantly, I think that when he finds a receiver, he blinds himself to other receivers. I believe that a quarterback should get as many targets involved as they can. For example, even if Q is your number 1 and is wide open, unless he is going to make a first down or TD, if Dickson or Pitta is also open and you haven't given them the ball, I think they should get the pass. Because then it forces the defense to honor not one but two guys. That is really the big thing I notice about Rodgers, Brady, and Peyton Manning especially. You look at their game stats and routinely 5+ guys get multiple targets and multiple catches. Then the defense doesn't know who to cover. And we have the bonus of also having a deadly running back. Now if teams had to honor 4+ receivers on the field at all times, how could they load up to stop Rice? This also goes back to Cam Cameron and his insistence on playing ridiculously basic 2 WR sets on like 80 or 90 percent of the plays, but I really think Joe needs to work on finding all of his receivers early, and forcing the defense to honor them.

But again, I can't often say this, because other people post absolutely ridiculous things about how "everything is always Flacco's fault", all the time. Even if the pick bounces off of his receiver's hands and every NFL analyst in the world, including Skip freaking Bayless, says it was on Torrey and in no way Joe's fault, apparently it still is Joe's fault because "stats don't matter if they don't work in my favor, but when they help my argument against Joe Flacco, then the stats matter and what actually happened in the game doesn't."

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326472394' post='945759']

I never said Joe doesn't make mistakes, in fact in my post I pointed out that particular interception in the San Diego game - entirely on Flacco. But the interception against the Cardinals was a good read, good throw, Torrey just didn't hold onto the ball. Of course Joe helped contribute to putting us in a hole, that fumble especially, because it was close to our endzone and the Cardinals got points off of it. The whole team contributed, offense defense, and special teams. Then the whole team brought us back, Joe included. The problem here is people blame Joe entirely for the hole, and say it was all Ray Rice who brought us back. Not true. Flacco and the RECEIVERS (who I notice are always almost never mentioned) really won that game for us - Boldin was a flat out beast in that game, with contributions by the running game and some great defensive plays when we needed it, and a good FG from Billy to seal the deal.

All I'm saying is that the one interception was not, and is not, the fault of Joe Flacco. Every NFL quarterback who wants to win a championship has to make difficult throws on the money. That's what Joe did. It would be different if it was a high ball that Torrey had to stretch for, but it was a [b]perfectly thrown pass[/b] that hit Torrey between the numbers. It's where every quarterback in the league would place it. So again, explain to me your thought process. Are you saying that Joe Flacco should never throw into double or triple coverage again? Because then he might be throwing about 10-15 times a game for the rest of his career. This is the NFL, throwing to covered receivers is what quarterbacks do ALL THE TIME.

I want one simple explanation. How is a perfectly thrown pass that hit the receiver in his hands and bounced off of them, up over his head and backwards into the hands of a defender, the fault of the quarterback?[/quote]


it's simple, not sure why it is so hard to understand...it is Flacco's fault because he did not personally hand Torrey the ball and tuck it in for him.
It's not Torrey's fault that Joe hit him so hard in the chest with the ball. A real QB would have taken 3.17248 mph off that pass - no more, no less - and coated it with pine tar first. In fact, an elite QB would have known Torrey was going to drop the pass, and would have scrambled for 20 yards instead. This is why we should be starting Tyrod.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326479024' post='945900']
it's simple, not sure why it is so hard to understand...it is Flacco's fault because he did not personally hand Torrey the ball and tuck it in for him.
It's not Torrey's fault that Joe hit him so hard in the chest with the ball. A real QB would have taken 3.17248 mph off that pass - no more, no less - and coated it with [b]pine tar[/b] first. In fact, an elite QB would have known Torrey was going to drop the pass, and would have scrambled for 20 yards instead. This is why we should be starting Tyrod.
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So Joe's problem is that he hasn't yet spoken to George Brett. Or called Gene Hackman for some advice on how to get his receivers to catch the ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZtSA9lGfk8

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1326423562' post='945375']
Right. Because he's had so many bad games this year (like 2 that were really on him).

No. Average implies minimal talent and skill. Flacco has great talent and skill. But he is inconsistent at this point in his career and has a very young receiving core who've barely had one season together and no offseason. So in context of the team's play and the meaning of the words, he's not average.
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Average is the middle value used in a group of numbers. This has nothing to do with the skill he posses or his talent level. He was an Average Qb this year, he is a middle of the road guy. I don't care how you word it.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326486474' post='946020']
Average is the middle value used in a group of numbers. This has nothing to do with the skill he posses or his talent level. He was an Average Qb this year, he is a middle of the road guy. I don't care how you word it.
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Once again, you show your true colors. You claim stats are important when you use the number of receptions Ray Rice has and claim no elite quarterbacks do that - but somehow Darren Sproles ends up with more catches than Rice but you give Drew Brees a pass. Then stats don't matter when people bring up the caliber of defenses quarterbacks face, or the number of times they're allowed to throw in the red zone. You are so inconsistent it boggles the mind.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326488156' post='946053']

Once again, you show your true colors. You claim stats are important when you use the number of receptions Ray Rice has and claim no elite quarterbacks do that - but somehow Darren Sproles ends up with more catches than Rice but you give Drew Brees a pass. Then stats don't matter when people bring up the caliber of defenses quarterbacks face, or the number of times they're allowed to throw in the red zone. You are so inconsistent it boggles the mind.
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Only this season's stats matter. No, take it a step further. Only the stats from our four losses this season matter. Flacco is 0-4 in his NFL career.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1326492338' post='946123']

Only this season's stats matter. No, take it a step further. Only the stats from our four losses this season matter. Flacco is 0-4 in his NFL career.
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I just wish people would be consistent. Like or hate a player, at least be consistent and logical in your arguments. Hey, strike logical, you are a fan, you can be illogical, but be consistent. Stop complaining about nonsense like who gets the receptions if you're going to also complain about the fact that stats don't matter, is all I'm saying. Either stats matter or they don't. I hate when people say one thing and then jump to the completely opposite side depending on whatever supports their argument at the time.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326486474' post='946020']

Average is the middle value used in a group of numbers. This has nothing to do with the skill he posses or his talent level. He was an Average Qb this year, he is a middle of the road guy. I don't care how you word it.
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In numbers I suppose. But any qb in our system would have average numbers. Do you realize how often we run the ball in the red zone as opposed to throwing 1 to 5 yard touchdowns? Flacco struggles with consistent play at a high level, he's not average as the numbers suggest. That's honestly a narrow minded view. Average is Sanchez or campell. This isn't math class where average means the mean value of a group of numbers. In sports it usually implies a judgement of talent.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1326497863' post='946216']
In numbers I suppose. But any qb in our system would have average numbers. Do you realize [b]how often we run the ball in the red zone[/b] as opposed to throwing 1 to 5 yard touchdowns? Flacco struggles with consistent play at a high level, he's not average as the numbers suggest. That's honestly a narrow minded view. Average is Sanchez or campell. This isn't math class where average means the mean value of a group of numbers. In sports it usually implies a judgement of talent.
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Brady, Ryan, Brees, Rivers, and Rodgers have all thrown double digit touchdowns in the redzone. Eli Manning has 9. By comparison, Flacco has 6. Conversely, our running backs have double digit TDs, while a lot of their running backs don't. It's like that Arizona game - Flacco and the receivers did all the dirty work, and Rice got three easy rushing touchdowns. But people don't care, they live in fantasy world and don't bother watching the games.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326498505' post='946221']


Brady, Ryan, Brees, Rivers, and Rodgers have all thrown double digit touchdowns in the redzone. Eli Manning has 9. By comparison, Flacco has 6. Conversely, our running backs have double digit TDs, while a lot of their running backs don't. It's like that Arizona game - Flacco and the receivers did all the dirty work, and Rice got three easy rushing touchdowns. But people don't care, they live in fantasy world and don't bother watching the games.
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And people claim to have watched that game, but say Flacco wasn't clutch cause he had 0 tds and 1 int (which was torreys fault). Makes you scratch your head doesn't it

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1326498648' post='946222']
And people claim to have watched that game, but say Flacco wasn't clutch cause he had 0 tds and 1 int (which was torreys fault). Makes you scratch your head doesn't it
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Because they probably didn't watch it. Or even if they did, they don't care. Flacco was the definition of clutch that day, overcoming drops, a poor offensive line, and a defense that got shredded in the first half, not to mention his own sack-fumble. Lots of people made mistakes, and they all, including Flacco, played well. But haters see what they want to see. I still think it comes back to stupid stuff like people want a running quarterback, and since Flacco isn't one they keep calling for his head.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326469379' post='945664']
Um...YES. He threw the ball, Torrey tipped it. They are both equally to blame. It's not the defense or Special teams fault that the ball was tipped. Joe's the guy throwing the balls while it is mostly Torrey's fault, it still comes down to JOE THROWING THE BALL. Let me guess, its the offensive lines fault for all of his fumbles too.

Is flacco god to you or something? lol My original point was that someone said he won us the Cardinals game and bailed out the team and my point was he threw an interception (however it was picked doesn't matter for this point) and fumbled in the 2nd quarter which led to scoring drives.
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Thats beyond stupid. It hit Torrey in the friggin numbers. It's just flat out ignorant to say thats even partially on Joe.