The Final Word On Joe's Season (Stats)

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326090400' post='940641']
Yeah but he has the deer in headlights look and doesn't yell and scream enough
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The real problem is he doesn't pray nearly enough. That's the key to winning according to NFL analysts today.

In all seriousness, the Ravens had one of the tougher NFL schedules this year despite going against the NFC West and AFC South this year because of the quality of the defenses they played. Yes, there are some things Joe could have done better, but going against some of the league's best pass defenses and Cam Cameron is a tough job. Throw in the new receiving corps and the ridiculous amount of dropped passes, Joe had a much better season than the numbers would indicate. If we could just throw the bum out of town he would easily be a perennial 4000 yard QB.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1326157234' post='941542']
I don't think it is bad information, but I would be one to note that Flacco's completion percentage was down, I think 57/58% this year. That I would bring up when someone says he played 'tough' or 'the toughest' defenses this year.
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But the teams we played gave up a low completion percentage to everyone... Anyway, it is what it is. Wasn't a great year, but it didn't need to be.

[Guest RBates]

Im just glad the Joe and Vick talks stopped........lmao

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326240403' post='942917']
Im just glad the Joe and Vick talks stopped........lmao
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Oh lord....why even mention those two in the same sentence at this point?

[gabefergy]

I dont love ESPN's QBR, but at least for Flacco I think it gives an accurate representation of how he has played this season. His total QBR on a scale of 1-100 is 57.9, which is well above average. Rodgers and Brees are up in the 80s and Brady is over 70. Most of the good QBs are somewhere in between 55 and 65. This rating takes into consideration everything the QB does that contributes to a win including penalty yardage, rushing yards, sacks taken etc. and it has a "clutch" modifier. The one thing that this does not consider is strength of opponent which to me does make a considerable difference. Joe obviously had a few atrocious games that really hurts in this type of assessment, but overall it goes to show that Joe is a good QB who has done what is needed to win games. We dont ask him to throw for 300 yards a game and thats ok because we have a monster in Ray Rice who can shoulder the load on offense. Joe has to make a few plays to convert 3rd downs and score some TDs while not turning it over. Call him a game-manager if you will, but he does a damn good job at it.

[organizedchaos007]

I conclude that his drop in numbers is for several reasons:

~loss of his two safety blankets mason and heap and his progression with pitta/dickson
~the fact we actually have a deep threat, 2 if you count Evans and the increased long ball attempts
~for a stretch of about 4-5 games we lost our offensive balance which hampered our passing game

I have a feeling Joe will have a significantly better season next year, pitta/dickson in their 3rd year, torrey in his second with continued chemistry.... and unless we win a super bowl, a new OC

[organizedchaos007]

oh and when you play defenses like steelers x2, 49ers, bengals x2, jets, texans, chargers, id say that plays a roll also, especially with the new environment around Flacco

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1326157234' post='941542']
I don't think it is bad information, but I would be one to note that Flacco's [b]completion percentage[/b] was down, I think 57/58% this year. That I would bring up when someone says he played 'tough' or 'the toughest' defenses this year.
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You do also have to take into consideration the number of dropped passes. The Washington Post, who also indicated that these were conservative btw, meaning they only count blatant drops, says the Ravens finished 7th in the league in dropped passes with 31. If you add those 31 dropped passes in, Flacco completes 343/542 or 63 percent of his passes.

[Moderator 2]

Flacco has won four of seven career playoff games, passing for 3,629 yards this season for 20 touchdowns, 12 interceptions and an 80.9 quarterback rating.
He’s the first starting quarterback in NFL history to make the playoffs in each of his first four seasons and became the third quarterback ever to start a playoff game in each of his first three seasons, joining Dan Marino and Bernie Kosar.
He’s 44-20 all-time, never missing a start.


Yup he sucks alright [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/ravensquote.gif[/img]

[i82much]

I guess my initial reaction is that if he had almost exactly the same passer rating as the average his opponents allowed, that strikes me as evidence that Flacco had almost exactly an average seasons for an NFL QB. At least to the extent you trust the NFL's passer rating formula.

I am a little cautious about taking into account things like Evans/Smith being new, dropped passes, short training camp because all teams deal with those issues. I am more encouraged by the defensive PI and total QBR statistics since those seem to provide some relatively objective information that may not be reflected by the NFL QB rating.

[baltravens]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1326256531' post='943175']

You do also have to take into consideration the number of dropped passes. The Washington Post, who also indicated that these were conservative btw, meaning they only count blatant drops, says the Ravens finished 7th in the league in dropped passes with 31. If you add those 31 dropped passes in, Flacco completes 343/542 or 63 percent of his passes.
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True.
When examining our offense, which includes our OC's approach and production, drops will hurt [b]any [/b]quarterback. We have to not forget that drops were up in general this year in the NFL, and that had a lot to do with implications from the lockout.

[callahan09]

[quote name='organizedchaos007' timestamp='1326246609' post='943024']I conclude that his drop in numbers is for several reasons: ~loss of his two safety blankets mason and heap and his progression with pitta/dickson ~the fact we actually have a deep threat, 2 if you count Evans and the increased long ball attempts ~for a stretch of about 4-5 games we lost our offensive balance which hampered our passing game I have a feeling Joe will have a significantly better season next year, pitta/dickson in their 3rd year, torrey in his second with continued chemistry.... and unless we win a super bowl, a new OC[/quote]

What strikes me about this is that with our newly acquired deep thread receivers, we have been taking so many shots downfield, and it strikes me that when I watch other QBs who have piled up tons of yardage and have made extremely long passing plays, they aren't doing it by taking shots downfield the way Cam has Joe doing it. They are making most of their long plays on 10-20 yard passes that the receiver turns into something much, much more. Both 99 yard touchdown passes this season were pretty short passes, with the rest done by the receiver. Joe's longest pass this season to Torrey Smith was actually one where Smith turned on the jets after catching the ball and ran for more yards than the ball went in the air, if I'm not mistaken (I may be, but either way, it was a lot of yards after the catch on that first TD pass in St. Louis). I don't know why Cam has Joe striking downfield with long bombs so frequently. It's a very low percentage play and it has obviously effected Joe's numbers and made him look less accurate than he is. If I'm not mistaken, he was near the top of the league in accuracy on such throws. But he was also near the top of the league in attempts on such throws, which for such a low-percentage type of play, has the effect of bringing down his overall accuracy rating.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1326244025' post='942986']
Oh lord....why even mention those two in the same sentence at this point?
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All you need to know. Joe Flacco career (64 regular season games over 4 seasons): 7 fourth quarter comebacks, 11 GW drives (7 of those comebacks/drives in the last 2 seasons, 3 and 4 of his career). Michael Vick career (96 regular season games over 11 seasons): 10 fourth quarter comebacks, 11 GW drives (7 in the last 2 seasons, 8 and 9 of his playing career e.g. not including the jail time and bench time).

[scrock]

Joe's number will definitely be up next year and his completion % will be back to around the 60%-63% range

[CapoRocky]

The game is simple. During the first half, Joe is going to throw the ball every third play. Ray is going to run the ball the rest of the time. The defense needs to make a few key plays and the Ravens are going to win.

[CapoRocky]

All we need is a lead going into the half and we are going to eat up the clock in the second half. They all remember the Steelers game last year, so there will be a seriousness about winning that the Texans haven't seen all year. I predict that we win by 14 to 17 points regardless of the point spread.

[Alexir]

And to think if he was a little bit more consistent we would be playing Broncos this week....[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/banana1.gif[/img]

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326305182' post='943587']
And to think if he was a little bit more consistent we would be playing Broncos this week....[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/banana1.gif[/img]
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Your point? .............?

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1326305182' post='943587']
And to think if he was a little bit more consistent we would be playing Broncos this week....[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/banana1.gif[/img]
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Or maybe if the defense would have shown up for the TEN and SD games we'd be playing the Donkeys this week!

Or if Flacco didn't bail us out in PIT and AZ in back to back weeks, we'd have been on the road or maybe not even in the playoffs at all!

[CapoRocky]

We might get a chance to play the denver donkeys after all. Be careful what you wish for...hahaha.

[flynismo]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1326389824' post='944827']
Your point? .............?
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His point is he just feels the need to take a shot at Flacco.
Wish people can just say "Thank you, Joe ...." without saying "...but..."

[rlh445]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326090400' post='940641']
Yeah but he has the deer in headlights look and doesn't yell and scream enough
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Also, when he takes a mean shot from a DE/LB, he gets up a little wobbly and is most assuredly the only player ever in the NFL to have that reaction.

[Guest RBates]

One word Sums it up...........AVERAGE.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326421740' post='945351']
One word Sums it up...........AVERAGE.
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92 yards in 2 min is average? No. Try inconsistent.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1326421924' post='945354']
92 yards in 2 min is average? No. Try inconsistent.
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That was the main reason he made it to average. Without that game i would hate to think where he would be.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1326422281' post='945359']

That was the main reason he made it to average. Without that game i would hate to think where he would be.
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Right. Because he's had so many bad games this year (like 2 that were really on him).

No. Average implies minimal talent and skill. Flacco has great talent and skill. But he is inconsistent at this point in his career and has a very young receiving core who've barely had one season together and no offseason. So in context of the team's play and the meaning of the words, he's not average.

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326418164' post='945315']


Or maybe if the defense would have shown up for the TEN and SD games we'd be playing the Donkeys this week!

Or if Flacco didn't bail us out in PIT and AZ in back to back weeks, we'd have been on the road or maybe not even in the playoffs at all!
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It was a consistency joke and I believe Flacco was sort of the reason we fell behind versus the Cards but I understand what you are saying. But to only put 7 on a team (which came in the 4th quarter) is just embarassing and out of all of our losses, I want that game back.

San Diego was a horrible game. If webb was healthy I think it would of been closer but the Tennessee game wasn't just the defenses fault. Yeah we had Foxworth in but the offense didn't put points up until the 6th drive...

[Alexir]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1326389824' post='944827']
Your point? .............?
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Point being is if we were the Jets, people would be calling him out lol

Thankfully Harbs doesn't allow that.

Not gonna give praise for inconsistency, yeah he is much better than Sanchez but some of things said about Mark could of been said about Joe. They both had a crappy year. I will remember "The March" though versus the Steelers as his highlight of his career so far, so theres that.

[BmoreRavens732]

How was arizona flaccos fault? You mean the pick flacco should of caught or the punt return where flacco missed like 4 tackles or when he dropped back off of playaction but couldnt block the end rusher lol yeah im with ya

[Alexir]

[quote name='BmoreRavens732' timestamp='1326428391' post='945434']
How was arizona flaccos fault? You mean the pick flacco should of caught or the punt return where flacco missed like 4 tackles or when he dropped back off of playaction but couldnt block the end rusher lol yeah im with ya
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2 Turnovers by him in the 2nd quarter.