Where Does The Notion Come That Flacco Isn't Accurate Enough For The Wco?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1325715157' post='935094']

Hence the "comeback" term. If you screw up early, you have a chance to come back late.
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Read the whole thread then come back you are missing info.

[berad]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325715351' post='935100']
Read the whole thread then come back you are missing info.
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Yes, he and the team made mistakes to be down 21. They [b]came back [/b]and won the game. Flacco was accredited with a fourth quarter comeback and a game winning drive.

[flynismo]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1325714523' post='935076'] And the fumble was only half his fault since McKinnie got beaten so badly on the play.
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This is the only thing I disagree with. Can't blame Flacco for eating the sack on that play, that wasn't on Flacco...the fumble is on him though; it's an on going problem that Flacco needs to fix.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1325715559' post='935107']

This is the only thing I disagree with. Can't blame Flacco for eating the sack on that play, that wasn't on Flacco...the fumble is on him though; it's an on going problem that Flacco needs to fix.
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But it's easy to say that because you know that the protection broke down. Flacco tried to throw the ball, I don't think he knew that he had almost no time after finishing his drop. Not many QBs can avoid fumbling if you catch them right as they're bringing their arm back, that's one reason you want a quick release.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='i82much' timestamp='1325715291' post='935096']
I'm a Flacco guy but I'm looking those numbers and going hmm ... 3 out of 4 years Flacco completed approx 65% between 1-10 yards and Brady/Rogers more like 75% this year? That 10% is a HUGE number, I mean consider the difference between a QB with a 50% completion percentage and a 60% completion percentage! The WCO is all about 1-10 yard routes.

I am sorry, I like Flacco a lot but I see his greatest asset as the deep ball and not short routes. He has been handicapped by subpar receivers and/or not having the time to develop chemistry with them. But I just don't see how your numbers support your conclusion?
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But you're comparing the guy to hall of famers that have run their systems for 6+ years. 2003, Brady's 4th year in the league - 65 percent between 1-20 yards. 3rd year 67 percent. You also have to factor in that Flacco's receivers have dropped somewhere between 30-40 balls this season (listed at 31, but that is by the statistician's own admission very conservative). The numbers I gave, which I stated in my post, are their numbers in their best seasons ever, two of the greatest seasons in NFL history. Not average or even their average numbers this early on in their careers. And how good can you be at the routes when half the time you aren't throwing them? A lot of Flacco's incompletions this season have been on balls of greater than 20+ yards.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325715351' post='935100']
Read the whole thread then come back you are missing info.
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Once again, I stand by the statement I made last week: "RBates wants Flacco gone." Too much negativity and dislike for the guy not to be so.

[i82much]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1325715963' post='935117']

But you're comparing the guy to hall of famers that have run their systems for 6+ years. 2003, Brady's 4th year in the league - 65 percent between 1-20 yards. 3rd year 67 percent.
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Ok, but I don't see how 1-20 yards is any better of a comparison to Flacco's 1-10 yard numbers. All I am really saying is that 10% is a HUGE difference in completion percentage, and being within 10% completion percentage of even those two great seasons doesn't tell me a whole lot. I mean hey, you're the guy who picked those numbers for comparison purposes, right?

Any idea what the league completion percentage is between 1 and 10? Or how Flacco ranks among starting QB's from 1-10? I think those numbers would be more persuasive.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='i82much' timestamp='1325716501' post='935129']

Ok, but I don't see how 1-20 yards is any better of a comparison to Flacco's 1-10 yard numbers. All I am really saying is that 10% is a HUGE difference in completion percentage, and being within 10% completion percentage of even those two great season doesn't tell me a whole lot.

Any idea what the league completion percentage is between 1 and 10? Or how Flacco ranks among[b] starting QB's from 1-10[/b]? I think those numbers would be more persuasive.
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it's hard to know, especially since most of those guys have been in the league a very long time. Rivers and Manning 8 years, Brees 10 years, Brady 11 years, Rodgers 7 years, etc. You'd have to look at early stats, and I don't know how far back they are kept.

[i82much]

No, no, I just meant in any of Flacco's seasons in the league, do you know how he stacked up compared to the rest of the NFL in completion percentage between 1 and 10 yards in those years? I'm not asking you to make a historical comparison across years. I'm just asking, in any given season, was Flacco relatively good at completing passes between 1 and 10 yards compared to an average NFL QB in that same season? I do not know whether your original post supports that proposition because I don't know whether being within 10% of an elite season is "good." I mean for all I know, 25 other QB's were within approx 8% of Brady/Rogers and Flacco was approx 2% behind them.

[The Raven]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325712055' post='935025']
Lets ask the rest of the board then.
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Lemme tell ya somthin... you don't come back to win it from a [u][i][b]THREE SCORE DEFICIT [/b][/i][/u]by running the ball. We were down 21 points, and came back to win it. You gotta pass it to come back from that deep of a deficit. You're just in denial.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325712055' post='935025']
Lets ask the rest of the board then.
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Ray Rice ran for 63 yards averaging 3.5 yards a carry. Joe threw for 336 yards completing 61 percent of his passes. So I'm fairly confident in saying that Flacco and the passing game had more to do with moving the ball down the field and scoring then Ray Rice did. Oh, I forgot, stats don't matter, except for when they do.

[1/28/01]

So, what's the deal here...who won?

Me or RBates?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325720698' post='935206']
So, what's the deal here...who won?

Me or RBates?
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Do you even have to ask? When he keeps bringing up the pick that bounced BACKWARDS of Torrey's hands to the defender, there's nothing else to say. I said before, according to RBates, stats don't matter until they support his argument. Then they matter.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325720698' post='935206']So, what's the deal here...who won?

Me or RBates?[/quote]

Ur the WIENER !!

[stopsizzle555]

just because flacco has a big arm doesnt mean that he is good at going deep. he is way too inaccurate with his deep balls. there have been way too many times where flacco has overthrown or underthrown a wide open torrey smith streaking deep. i think he's much better within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. he's usually great at that smash route along the sideline

[i82much]

There were also a few times Torrey stopped running, thinking he was running a pattern for some noodle-armed college qb.

[berad]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325715351' post='935100']
Read the whole thread then come back you are missing info.
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RB, I'm gonna get you good with this one:

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1320273238' post='850770']
i agree, after watching the game a few times neither turnover was on Joe. You see i just tell it like i see it. No harm No foul.
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[The Raven]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325720698' post='935206']
So, what's the deal here...who won?

Me or RBates?
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You already know! Haha

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1325723515' post='935263']

RB, I'm gonna get you good with this one:


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What happened between then and now? [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img] Haha, just kidding, but even you (at one point) saw the light.
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got em!!!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1325721644' post='935228']


Ur the WIENER !!
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Yeah, I'll let this slide this go-a-round!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325706492' post='934876']
Shoot, what's Matt Ryans average yards per throw compared to his average yards per catch? Id bet there's a DRASTIC difference there!
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Average Y/A 7, average Y/C 11.6. Just for kicks, Joe's are 7.1 and 11.6 (of course all of the incompletions this year really hurt his numbers. He went from 7.4 Y/A last year to 6.7 this year).

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1325728945' post='935336']


Average Y/A 7, average Y/C 11.6. Just for kicks, Joe's are 7.1 and 11.6 Of course all of the incompletions this year really hurt his numbers. He went from 7.4 Y/A last year to 6.7 this year.
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I was thinking more of the actual throw (to exclude YAC). I know there isn't a stat kept for that, but that would illustrate the actual throws being made. Ryan hits Julio with short throws taken to the house all the time and same with Turner. Just as an example....

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1325716034' post='935118']

Once again, I stand by the statement I made last week: "RBates wants Flacco gone." Too much negativity and dislike for the guy not to be so.
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That is so far from the truth. Some of the fans over due it with the support of the guy. He turns the ball over to much and he struggles in the red zone. He needs work, that is all im saying. Some of you want to anoint him king, i was one of them tell i noticed he regressed this season. The kid has the tools to be great. It just might not ever happen under Cam. It definitely didn't happen this year.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325717782' post='935156']

Lemme tell ya somthin... you don't come back to win it from a [u][i][b]THREE SCORE DEFICIT [/b][/i][/u]by running the ball. We were down 21 points, and came back to win it. You gotta pass it to come back from that deep of a deficit. You're just in denial.
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All three Ray Rice touchdowns i don't care if it was from the half inch line. Flacco had two turnovers and no scores. Do i even need to say anything else? You dug the hole and got yourself out, and the board wants to give credit for that. Now you see why alot of the world dont think he is good, its because his supporters look at games like the Arizona game, and call him a good QB.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1325715550' post='935105']

Yes, he and the team made mistakes to be down 21. They [b]came back [/b]and won the game. Flacco was accredited with a fourth quarter comeback and a game winning drive.
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Good for Joe, he dug a hole then found a way to get out. Comeback? Hardly in my book. Let someone else dig a hole then you help them out, and then you will be doing something. How do you orchestrate a comeback and have no scores,,,,,,,,smh

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1325719649' post='935190']

Ray Rice ran for 63 yards averaging 3.5 yards a carry. Joe threw for 336 yards completing 61 percent of his passes. So I'm fairly confident in saying that Flacco and the passing game had more to do with moving the ball down the field and scoring then Ray Rice did. Oh, I forgot, stats don't matter, except for when they do.
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2 turnovers, one turnover cost us six. If you really wanna be real because of those turnovers we were down. When you comeback and you caused it, doesn't really carry the same weight.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1325723515' post='935263']

RB, I'm gonna get you good with this one:


[url="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/41985-tyrod-taylor/page__st__320__p__850770#entry850770"]http://boards.baltim...770#entry850770[/url]

What happened between then and now? [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img] Haha, just kidding, but even you (at one point) saw the light.
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No i still agree with that. I don't really think those turnovers where solely on him. Torrey should have caught that ball, and on the fumble i guess someone could have blocked for him. My point remains the same though. How can you get credited for a comeback, with no points.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325784189' post='935687']
2 turnovers, one turnover cost us six. If you really wanna be real because of those turnovers we were down. When you comeback and you caused it, doesn't really carry the same weight.
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Ok so basically no matter what happens flacco is bad. Gotcha'.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325783199' post='935671']
All three Ray Rice touchdowns i don't care if it was from the half inch line.  Flacco had two turnovers and no scores.  Do i even need to say anything else?  You dug the hole and got yourself out, and the board wants to give credit for that.  Now you see why alot of the world dont think he is good, its because his supporters look at games like the Arizona game, and call him a good QB.
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It was COME FROM BEHIND WIN where his protection collapsed horridly once yielding a fumble for 6, a ST's punt for 6 and an INT where the QB hit the WR PERFECTLY in the numbers. Get out of the box score. Damn, for someone that hates stats, that's all you're hanging your hat on in this game!!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325784346' post='935692']
No i still agree with that.  I don't really think those turnovers where solely on him.  Torrey should have caught that ball, and on the fumble i guess someone could have blocked for him. My point remains the same though.  How can you get credited for a comeback, with no points.
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Who cares who literally carried or threw it that last yard for each TD? Really? You're reaching here big time!!

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325784346' post='935692']
No i still agree with that. I don't really think those turnovers where solely on him. Torrey should have caught that ball, and on the fumble i guess someone could have blocked for him. My point remains the same though. How can you get credited for a comeback, with no points.
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This is a joke, right?


...right?