Where Does The Notion Come That Flacco Isn't Accurate Enough For The Wco?

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325710718' post='934993']
your right i can, it was a fumble and a pick. Wow now he has to come back. It is safe to say that alot of that was on him. The fumble went for 6 didn't it?
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Lol apparently you got your "whole argument crushed" by that one statement. Its funny cause your right and he is right. Flacco can make some plays that make you say wow he looks like Warren Moon out there and others like the fumble and pick that make you throw your beer at the wall lol.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325710387' post='934983']
Hilarious...semantics here we come. Okay, so the guy fumbles and let's say that was a direct result to 7 points. So, we're down 14 and Flacco leads the comeback charge and that's not a positive to be tacked onto his cap as a great come from behind win?!?!
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The guy had 0 touchdowns Ray rice had three though. I thought you were going to make a real argument. 2 turnovers 0 touchdowns great comeback Flacco....lmao

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1325711082' post='934998']

Lol apparently you got your "whole argument crushed" by that one statement. Its funny cause your right and he is right. Flacco can make some plays that make you say wow he looks like Warren Moon out there and others like the fumble and pick that make you throw your beer at the wall lol.
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lmao. He has you scratching your head alot.

[Sir Spooky]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325710718' post='934993']
your right i can, it was a fumble and a pick. Wow now he has to come back. It is safe to say that alot of that was on him. The fumble went for 6 didn't it?
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To be fair 1/3 of that 21 point deficit was on Flacco. One TD came on ST, on the interception, Torrey juggled the ball, and the fumble was just as much Mckinnie's fault as it was Joe's since the guy who got the strip was unblocked or not blocked good and got to Joe during his dropback.

[Guest RBates]

And the winner is............lol

[Sir Spooky]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325711092' post='934999']
The guy had 0 touchdowns Ray rice had three though. I thought you were going to make a real argument. 2 turnovers 0 touchdowns great comeback Flacco....lmao
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Which is true, Joe didn't throw any TDs during that comeback but it was on his arm that got us down within the 10 so Ray Rice could punch it in.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325710718' post='934993']

your right i can, it was a fumble and a pick. Wow now he has to come back. It is safe to say that alot of that was on him. The fumble went for 6 didn't it?
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Hahahahahaha!a! The pick that hit Smith in the hands and then was picked off? I don't normally absolve QBs on interceptions, but that one had NOTHING to do with Flacco. And shoot, even the fumble was a pocket collapsing in record time from McKinnies side. BUT I will not say that's not Flaccos fault as well, so don't get me wrong on that last part.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='Sir Spooky' timestamp='1325711436' post='935010']
Which is true, Joe didn't throw any TDs during that comeback but it was on his arm that got us down within the 10 so Ray Rice could punch it in.
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Isnt that what a QB's is supposed to do ATLEAST from time to time?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325711092' post='934999']

The guy had 0 touchdowns Ray rice had three though. I thought you were going to make a real argument. 2 turnovers 0 touchdowns great comeback Flacco....lmao
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You're so wrong its hilarious! Again!

Flacco had drives to inside the 5 and RR got the TDs and go look at the interception. For someone that doesn't like stats, you're living in the box score right now! Oh yeah, your question above...the answer is clear!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1325711082' post='934998']


Lol apparently you got your "whole argument crushed" by that one statement. Its funny cause your right and he is right. Flacco can make some plays that make you say wow he looks like Warren Moon out there and others like the fumble and pick that make you throw your beer at the wall lol.
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McKinnie got his legs ripped off of him with a speed rush and didn't even touch the rusher and the pick was right in Smiths hands. Yikes! Flawed thinking by people again!

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325711739' post='935017']
You're so wrong its hilarious! Again!

Flacco had drives to inside the 5 and RR got the TDs and go look at the interception. For someone that doesn't like stats, you're living in the box score right now! Oh yeah, your question above...the answer is clear!
[/quote] TY finally!!! Flacco definitely orchestrated drives that got us scores. He and Boldin went crazy in the second half. My issue was you saying that that particular game, was a comeback game for a Qb, that had 2 turnovers and no scores.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325711324' post='935007']
And the winner is............lol
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Sorry, but its clear . A dropped catch turned pick doesn't take away the 21 point come from behind win. You can try, with illogical thinking and everything else you do, but you'll fail, miserably!

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325711993' post='935024']
Sorry, but its clear [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img]. A dropped catch turned pick doesn't take away the 21 point come from behind win. You can try, with illogical thinking and everything else you do, but you'll fail, miserably!
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Lets ask the rest of the board then.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325711982' post='935023']
TY finally!!! Flacco definitely orchestrated drives that got us scores. He and Boldin went crazy in the second half. My issue was you saying that that particular game, was a comeback game for a Qb, that had 2 turnovers and no scores.
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You said Flacco can never be relied on to win games. He orchestrated those drives and helped win that game. You've yet to even acknowledge the pick NOT being on Joe at all.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325712055' post='935025']

Lets ask the rest of the board then.
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Ha, do it...you'll be sadly mistaken as to who you think won this little debate.

And go, Raven flock...chime in!

[1/28/01]

All this from a guy that proclaimed for two weeks that "he watched the tape" and just realized Flacco has "it" and he's a winner! Ha, Mr Flippy Floppy!!

[HaX]

flacco 9/10 puts it in a spot where only the receiver can get it
it's not his fault the receivers can't reach their arms out and grab a football out of the air

[berad]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325711092' post='934999']
The guy had 0 touchdowns Ray rice had three though. I thought you were going to make a real argument. 2 turnovers 0 touchdowns great comeback Flacco....lmao
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C'mon dude. You know what happened, all of Rice's TDs were of the 1-2 yard variety after our passing game drove the team down there.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1325713147' post='935048']

C'mon dude. You know what happened, all of Rice's TDs were of the 1-2 yard variety after our passing game drove the team down there.
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Berad how can you be a comeback QB account for 2 turnovers and 0 scores. That is all we are debating.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325713425' post='935055']
Berad how can you be a comeback QB account for 2 turnovers and 0 scores. That is all we are debating.
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Because you're looking at only stats and not the game, which is a strange thing for a Ravens fan who watched the whole game. Flacco made good throws and the DB had to interfere to stop them, three times. Then we finished it off from the 1 yard line, which is what you hope your team can do with three downs. You don't need to pass it in from there unless you can't get a yard against the Cardinals defense.

Oh yeah, and for the thousandth time, the interception was a perfectly thrown ball that was deflected. And the fumble was only half his fault since McKinnie got beaten so badly on the play.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325708691' post='934933']
The convo is wack. [b] Using stats to justify whether or not he can play in a west coast style offense.[/b]...

Check down offense, is all i see us running right now. Stats are bogus, your running back has more receptions than any receiver. lol
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I agree with that, for many reasons. His stats have nothing to do with his ability to adjust to a completely different style of offense...but the OP was merely pointing out that Flacco is more than accurate enough to play in a WCO scheme, and used stats to validate Flacco's accuracy.

Now, the other factors other than accuracy that come into play ... I simply don't think Joe is a WCO kinda guy. And that is a good thing to me.

[Ravenslifer]

So at the end of the day, do people agree or not that perhaps an offensive system, whatever the style, that features more short and intermediate routes would be beneficial to the team? I don't actually care if we do continue to run Air Coryell, but it still makes more sense to me that if you rely on the intermediate passing game and maintain possession of the ball, don't turn the ball over, move the ball down the field consistently, and score, with the defense we have the Ravens will win a lot of games. Why haven't we called more short and intermediate routes, is my main question.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1325714689' post='935079']


I agree with that, for many reasons. His stats have nothing to do with his ability to adjust to a completely different style of offense...but the OP was merely pointing out that Flacco is more than accurate enough to play in a WCO scheme, and used stats to validate Flacco's accuracy.

Now, the other factors other than accuracy that come into play ... I simply don't think Joe is a WCO kinda guy. And that is a good thing to me.
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I agree Fly.

[berad]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325713425' post='935055']
Berad how can you be a comeback QB account for 2 turnovers and 0 scores. That is all we are debating.
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He "accounted" for them with the rest of the plays and by setting up those short runs. From the last drive of the second quarter, onward, we ran eight times for 18 yards. Conversely, we threw for 309 yards along with some DPI calls.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325711092' post='934999']
The guy had 0 touchdowns Ray rice had three though. I thought you were going to make a real argument. 2 turnovers 0 touchdowns great comeback Flacco....lmao
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Wait a minute, now the stats matter again? Do you even realize that three or four of your posts directly contradict each other? What is it, do stats matter, or does winning matter? How come you can use your stats to justify your posts, but nobody else can use them if they don't make a point you agree with?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1325714784' post='935082']

He "accounted" for them with the rest of the plays and by setting up those short runs. From the last drive of the second quarter, onward, we ran eight times for 18 yards. Conversely, we threw for 309 yards along with some DPI calls.
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And the two turnovers one for a score that led to that defecit? What say you?

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1325714710' post='935080']
So at the end of the day, do people agree or not that perhaps an offensive system, whatever the style, that features more short and intermediate routes would be beneficial to the team?
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I don't think that is even debatable. Absolutely.

* Edit *

We need more quick passes, but by no means does that imply abandon our deep passing attack. We have the personnel to be balanced in every sense of the word -- so lets do it.

[berad]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325715078' post='935090']
And the two turnovers one for a score that led to that defecit? What say you?
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Hence the "comeback" term. If you screw up early, you have a chance to come back late.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1325714828' post='935084']

Wait a minute, now the stats matter again? Do you even realize that three or four of your posts directly contradict each other? What is it, do stats matter, or does winning matter? How come you can use your stats to justify your posts, but nobody else can use them if they don't make a point you agree with?
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It changed when 1/28/08 made the comment of how Flacco made the comeback against Pitt and Arizona. We all know that was a game of two halfs and Flacco was horrible in the first. Thank goodness he was playing against Kevin Kolb, that might not even start next year.

[i82much]

I'm a Flacco guy but I'm looking those numbers and going hmm ... 3 out of 4 years Flacco completed approx 65% between 1-10 yards and Brady/Rogers more like 75% this year? That 10% is a HUGE number, I mean consider the difference between a QB with a 50% completion percentage and a 60% completion percentage! The WCO is all about 1-10 yard routes.

I am sorry, I like Flacco a lot but I see his greatest asset as the deep ball and not short routes. He has been handicapped by subpar receivers and/or not having the time to develop chemistry with them. But I just don't see how your numbers support your conclusion?