What Kind Of Offense Should The Ravens Use?

[cobrajet]

[quote name='BaltimoreBean' timestamp='1325651718' post='934271']
I say predictable referring to the run, run, pass, punt drives. When Cam mixes it up, it works. Throw on first down more... and if you do, it doesn't have to be a go route to Torrey.
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I could not agree more. I want Ray Rice to get his carries, but I want to pass a little more than they are doing on first down. I agree the go routes should only be mixed in sporadically throughout the game. Give us more high percentage passes to Pitta, Dickson, Rice, and Torrey. Just get us positive yards so we are not at 3rd and long. If we do this I believe Ray Rice will be able to break even more long runs. I think it is all about keeping the defenses on their heels. The third quarter of the Bengals game last week was horrible and I believe it was because Cam was so predictable with the run, run, pass.

Look I know a lot of people want us to be run first smash mouth "2000 Ravens Football Style" and the conventional wisdom suggests when you have a 14 point lead going into the third quarter you want to start burning some clock off with the run. I just think you become real predictable when you let up on the pedal and as you saw what happened in Cincy last week and what happened in the playoffs with the Steelers last year. You are just inviting teams to change momentum and get right back in the game. I think that is why we get so mad at Cam Cameron.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1325686372' post='934496']

Not according to his splits. This season,[b] he's completing 75 percent of his passes thrown behind the line of scrimmage, 64 percent of passes thrown 1-10 yards,[/b] 49 percent of passes thrown 11-20 yards, 25 percent of passes thrown 21-30 yards, 12.5 percent of passes thrown 31-40 yards, and 33 percent of passes thrown 40+ yards.

[url="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/11252/joe-flacco"]http://espn.go.com/n...1252/joe-flacco[/url]
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And thats what we call dump passes to Ray Rice....

[Guest RBates]

Whatever offense Mike Mcarthy runs for the packers. System is flawless. Maybe we can hire Bill Belichick that's another system that is flawless, Great Qb's or great systems.......hmmmmmmmmm.

[Suggs Package]

If we were to run a true WCO, we would have to scrap a big chunk of our personnel, including Flacco. He's good, but has a slower delivery which would hamper his effectiveness in a WCO.

I voted for the Air Coryell because it best suits our personnel. The Air Coryell isn't a bad philiosphy. Don't forget that some of the best offenses in the past decade have used it. Peyton Manning runs an Air Coryell in Indy, Phillip Rivers in SD, and even Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger in the St. Louis days. Even middle of the road QBs like Trent Green have put up big numbers in a Air Coryell in KC without a ton of talent. But in order to run it effectively, we have to have a top tier offensive line and although McKinney and Oher have been good, your tackles have to be Pro Bowl/Hall of Fame worthy in order to get the best outta this offense unless you have a Dan Marino speed release.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325710463' post='934985']
Whatever offense Mike Mcarthy runs for the packers. System is flawless. Maybe we can hire Bill Belichick that's another system that is flawless, Great Qb's or great systems.......hmmmmmmmmm.
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Packers = WCO.

Patriots = Erhardt-Perkins offense.

[Azmo]

Whichever one means Cameron is gone... All week last week over and over and over again on NFL RedZone "highlights"... Flacco to Rice for 42 yd score... very pretty... but it was on 3rd & 4... No check down possible if Rice isn't open cause he is already down field... One of my major aggravations on game day is when it is short yardage for a 1st, and Cam has Flacco throwing it 50-60 yards downfield... Move the sticks!

[ravensdfan]

One that scores the most points!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1325654453' post='934314']
Wing T baby! Run that ball and utilize the mismatches a tight end causes!

Also, I'm surprised people want West Coast Offense for Flacco [b]when he seems to be more accurate when hes chucking it down field than he is with short passes and slants[/b]. Guys like Chad Pennington or Colt McCoy would be good for that but guys with those big strong arms don't waste their times on taking small bits at a time when they can take chunks.
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Where are you getting this from? He completes more short passes than he does midrange and deep ones. So suddenly having a lower completion percentage throwing deeper passes means he is more accurate at them? He's completing 64 percent of passes between 1-10 yards, 49 percent of passes between 11-20 yards, 25 percent between 21-30 yards, and 20 percent beyond 30 yards. His completion percentage goes DOWN when he throws deep balls. How is he more accurate, when his accuracy between short and intermediate balls even drops 15 percent?

[The Raven]

Smashmouth/West Coast hybrid. A very balanced attack. The pass game can be an extension of the run game, with a lot of dinks and dunks. I wanna smash it up the gut, run outside, throw over the middle, throw screens, play action, etc.

About 50-50 is what I think we should do. Maybe even 60 run - 40 pass. It depends on the team and the situation though.

[ghost1986]

One not coordinated by Cam Cameron

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1325717586' post='935151']
One not coordinated by Cam Cameron
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Ding ...ding...ding!!! We have a winner!

[sameoldbull]

As everyone else I would like a balanced offense, but I don't think that the base formation should be the spread offense with 3-4 wide receiver sets. We have the best FB in Vonta 'nose bleed' Leach so lets use him (thinking I-formation as base mixed up with big I and three-wide I). I really like the versatile run offense we have going for us right now (the mix between power and zone stretch) to set up the play action. What I would like to see is some more bootlegs and roll outs. Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with the Coryell offense, I would just prefer that Cam would be more like Turner and go for the more short/intermediate passes instead of the low percentage deep throw to Torrey. But that is just my two cents I guess.

[edreed2o]

I just wish that Cam Cameron would spread the recievers more. I think that would work so much more better.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1325654392' post='934310']
depends on the opposing teams defenses weaknesses.
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This is, quite simply, exactly right.

And to add, we don't need an offensive "identity", we need an UNPREDICTABLE offense.

[Dudeman]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1325769589' post='935533']


This is, quite simply, exactly right.

And to add, we don't need an offensive "identity", we need an UNPREDICTABLE offense.
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I'd take successful over unpredictable any day of the week.

But seriously, even on the couch at home I can predict most calls based on down and distance, and I have a good idea of the reads the quarterback is going through based on formations from the offense and defense. Basically the offense taking what the defense gives them. It's not rocket science really, but the sheer number of variables that can effect the outcome of a play is daunting. A good example of this is simply the amount of athletes working in cohesion from the start through the finish of a play. A miss-step there and you have an off-sides type of penalty and you're moving backwards. A dropped ball there and it's second and super long and you don't want a turn-over trying to make a desperation play. So you try to eat up some yards with a "smart" play, and survive the down.

No question that execution effects play-calls. Everyone wants to rip on Cam Cameron for being predictable, but that is part of the nature of the game. It's a game of countless repetitions. I love Green Bays offense, but they don't play defenses in the top 10 hardly ever. They do have a good team, and system on offense, and Rodgers shouldn't debunk that notion. At the end of the year the NFC only has two defenses in the top 10, and one in the top 5. Defenses that can't stop anybody hardly ever. I enjoy watching good defensive performances, as they are becoming an increasing rarity around the league. But I always have enjoyed watching the defense, cheering for the defense.

To me, I just enjoy watching defensive football played at the line of scrimmage more. It just makes a little more sense. I love seeing Suggs rip and tear around the corner for a sack, fumble. I love the interception off a good read and throw, and the errant balls even more. I love the defense that doesn't just wait for the offense to make a mistake, and the one that punishes an offense even more. A good defense is the ultimate X factor, and secret weapon.

But offensive football when it's done right can blow any defense out of the water.