Sending All Positive Vibes To Tim Tebow And The Broncos

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1325708871' post='934941']

They pretty much proved that in the 49ers game. He was clearly not only badly injured but ineffective. Still, they left him in the entire game. Taking multiple hits I might add even when the game was done. Still he was in there. Flash forward to the Browns' game which you didn't need him to win and he was in there until the last snap.
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If you listen closely....you can hear the theme from "The Twilight Zone."

[berad]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1325711541' post='935013']
If you listen closely....you can hear the theme from "The Twilight Zone."
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That's your response? She detailed two instances that [b]proved[/b] her point.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1325711541' post='935013']

If you listen closely....you can hear the theme from "The Twilight Zone."
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No all I hear is the sound of someone with no answer when faced with facts.

Hey, it doesn't reflect on you as a person so I don't know why it's so hard for you to admit that they did not handle some things the proper way.

Just like we all know the Browns' did not handle McCoy the right way. That in no way reflects on the fanbase.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1325713694' post='935059']

No all I hear is the sound of someone with no answer when faced with facts.

Hey, it doesn't reflect on you as a person so I don't know why it's so hard for you to admit that they did not handle some things the proper way.

Just like we all know the Browns' did not handle McCoy the right way. That in no way reflects on the fanbase.
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Did Joe Flacco sit out the end of the Bengals game? No? Why? Because he is the starting QB of the Ravens, thats why. Ben is the starting QB of the PIttsburgh Steelers, so he plays the game. If the Steelers genuinely felt there was serious risk, they would have sat him out (Rams game ring a bell?) At this time of year many players are banged up yet they still play. Again, I already cited a clear reason why you and your raven comrades are wrong about this. The Steelers are simply not going to risk their franchise, Super Bowl winning QB for one game if they thought he was in extraordinary danger of being hurt. Its ludicrous and represents the crazy bias you all have. A franchise simply does not have the record of success that the Steelers have by mistreating players...its that simple. BTW, Ben was not completely ineffective against the 49ers, he threw for 350 yds. And, finally, since I am objective, I can tell you that while I think Ben is tough as nails, he doesn't mind letting people know he plays hurt. A lot of players play hurt but never say anything. I'm pretty sure Tomlin knows the real deal. Peace, out.

[berad]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1325719312' post='935183']

Did Joe Flacco sit out the end of the Bengals game? No? Why? Because he is the starting QB of the Ravens, thats why. Ben is the starting QB of the PIttsburgh Steelers, so he plays the game. If the Steelers genuinely felt there was serious risk, they would have sat him out (Rams game ring a bell?) At this time of year many players are banged up yet they still play. Again, I already cited a clear reason why you and your raven comrades are wrong about this. The Steelers are simply not going to risk their franchise, Super Bowl winning QB for one game if they thought he was in extraordinary danger of being hurt. Its ludicrous and represents the crazy bias you all have. A franchise simply does not have the record of success that the Steelers have by mistreating players...its that simple. [b]BTW, Ben was not completely ineffective against the 49ers, he threw for 350 yds.[/b] And, finally, since I am [b]objective[/b], I can tell you that while I think Ben is tough as nails, he doesn't mind letting people know he plays hurt. A lot of players play hurt but never say anything. I'm pretty sure Tomlin knows the real deal. Peace, out.
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330 yards (on 44 attempts) with 0 TDs, 3 INTs, and 2 fumbles (1 lost) while his team accounted for 3 points. I also highlighted the word "objective" because I found it funny, in context.

[ravensdfan]

lol Who said "extrordinary" danger? He DID re-injure his ankle. So now you are hobbling into the playoffs. It's a fact dude. No one is making this stuff up. Joe wasn't injured and limping about. Vast difference but nice try.

Um...yeah...how effective were those yards with his 4 turnovers? Yeah, that's what I thought. And I never said completely, just said ineffective. The turnovers were clearly a product of his injury. To be clear as well, we're not talking about some bruises and soreness. We're talking a high ankle sprain on which the treatment is???? Anyone????? Oh, yeah. Rest and walking on it as little as possible. Period. Like I said, he should have been sat. End of story.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1325724057' post='935270']

330 yards (on 44 attempts) with 0 TDs, 3 INTs, and 2 fumbles (1 lost) while his team accounted for 3 points. I also highlighted the word "objective" because I found it funny, in context.
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The context of the word "objective" was that Ben doesn't mind touting his injuries. So its accurate, unlike your incorrect application. Look, berad, think what you want....The Steelers success under the Tomlin administration has been phenomenal...I'm good with how they treat their players. And I don't expect to change the minds of people in here...its kinda like trying to convince non-believers that we did land on the moon or conspiracy theorists that there was no shooter on the grassy knoll.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1325729263' post='935341']
lol Who said "extrordinary" danger? He DID re-injure his ankle. So now you are hobbling into the playoffs. It's a fact dude. No one is making this stuff up. Joe wasn't injured and limping about. Vast difference but nice try.

Um...yeah...how effective were those yards with his 4 turnovers? Yeah, that's what I thought. And I never said completely, just said ineffective. The turnovers were clearly a product of his injury. To be clear as well, we're not talking about some bruises and soreness. We're talking a high ankle sprain on which the treatment is???? Anyone????? Oh, yeah. Rest and walking on it as little as possible. Period. Like I said, he should have been sat. End of story.
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Why aren't you making big bucks as an NFL coach? Maybe you can replace Cam since everyone in here hates him.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1325730669' post='935363']

Why aren't you making big bucks as an NFL coach? Maybe you can replace Cam since everyone in here hates him.
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What? That doesn't even make sense as an answer man. It's purely common sense. An injury where the required treatment is rest and as little weight bearing as possible vs playing football on it. Pretty much a no brainer. What does that have to do with being a coach? Only time coaching was mentioned was that it was the job of the coaches to save the player from himself because most will WANT to play even when they shouldn't.

However, if you really want to go there, then let us do that.

What is Ben's strength? Extending plays with his elusiveness. He did not have that in the 49ers game. In fact, watching Batch vs the Rams (and the only reason Ben sat that game was that they didn't see the Ravens losing to the Browns and the Rams are well, the Rams) he would have had more chance at eluding sackers.

Another strength? Finding those quick WRs deep. He couldn't do that either because he couldn't get enough on the ball. The shorter passes he was able to complete, Batch could have handled as well.

In short, nothing was really gained by playing him in SF. Except for the 4 turnovers given to SF. Now, can't say for certain that Batch wouldn't have turned the ball over, but given his history I doubt he would have done so 4 times.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1325731506' post='935367']

What? That doesn't even make sense as an answer man. [b]It's purely common sense[/b]. An injury where the required treatment is rest and as little weight bearing as possible vs playing football on it. Pretty much a no brainer. What does that have to do with being a coach? Only time coaching was mentioned was that it was the job of the coaches to save the player from himself because most will WANT to play even when they shouldn't.

However, if you really want to go there, then let us do that.

What is Ben's strength? Extending plays with his elusiveness. He did not have that in the 49ers game. In fact, watching Batch vs the Rams (and the only reason Ben sat that game was that they didn't see the Ravens losing to the Browns and the Rams are well, the Rams) he would have had more chance at eluding sackers.

Another strength? Finding those quick WRs deep. He couldn't do that either because he couldn't get enough on the ball. The shorter passes he was able to complete, Batch could have handled as well.

In short, nothing was really gained by playing him in SF. Except for the 4 turnovers given to SF. Now, can't say for certain that Batch wouldn't have turned the ball over, but given his history I doubt he would have done so 4 times.
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Common sense tells me that a coach who in five years is 55-25, has 4 division titles, 2 AFC Championships and a Super Bowl victory knows more about whats best for his team and players than you do. Ben has a history of coming up big, even when hurt. That time he didn't. Doesn't mean he won't next time. Hindsight is 20/20. Again, Tomlin won't be fired anytime soon since the man is a winner, so I'm good with his personal decisions.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1325740858' post='935448']

Common sense tells me that a coach who in five years is 55-25, has 4 division titles, 2 AFC Championships and a Super Bowl victory knows more about whats best for his team and players than you do. Ben has a history of coming up big, even when hurt. That time he didn't. Doesn't mean he won't next time. Hindsight is 20/20. Again, Tomlin won't be fired anytime soon since the man is a winner, so I'm good with his personal decisions.
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Way to change the subject. No one said anything about Tomlin being fired or not being a winner. BTW being a winner and all those accolades only proves he knows what is best for his team to win, one game at a time. Doesn't prove anything about the welfare of his individual players. I'm not even really saying that Tomlin put Ben in there as a oh so what kind of thing. Only that he didn't exercise his right as a coach and let Ben be in charge of that decision. No one needed hindsight on the 49ers game either. It was evident by half-time.

Does the fact that I think he made a bad decision in regards to his players' safety in this instance make him a bad coach? No. I question some decisions Harbaugh makes as well. Doesn't mean I think he is a bad coach.

If you check out some other football forums, most Steeler fans don't defend this decision either. Most of those around the media felt he should have been pulled from the 49ers game and sat the Browns' game as well. It isn't rocket science. You were already in the playoffs and the odds of you getting that first round bye were slim. You sit your starting QB to get him healthy for a playoff run. Now he isn't. We'll see how that works out for the Steelers.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1325762722' post='935502']

Way to change the subject. No one said anything about Tomlin being fired or not being a winner. BTW being a winner and all those accolades only proves he knows what is best for his team to win, one game at a time. Doesn't prove anything about the welfare of his individual players. I'm not even really saying that Tomlin put Ben in there as a oh so what kind of thing. Only that he didn't exercise his right as a coach and let Ben be in charge of that decision. No one needed hindsight on the 49ers game either. It was evident by half-time.

Does the fact that I think he made a bad decision in regards to his players' safety in this instance make him a bad coach? No. I question some decisions Harbaugh makes as well. Doesn't mean I think he is a bad coach.

If you check out some other football forums, most Steeler fans don't defend this decision either. Most of those around the media felt he should have been pulled from the 49ers game and sat the Browns' game as well. It isn't rocket science. You were already in the playoffs and the odds of you getting that first round bye were slim. You sit your starting QB to get him healthy for a playoff run. Now he isn't. We'll see how that works out for the Steelers.
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Didn't change the subject. I know a lot of Steeler fans disagreed. You still keep making statements like "it isn't rocket science" which makes the assumption you could have made a better decision than Mike Tomlin. Thus, my statements about Mikes success and the fact that you should become a coach. You are placing your own evaluation above coach Tomlin's...I don't place you or any other fans evaluation above a proven, successful coach.

[berad]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1325730588' post='935360']
The context of the word "objective" was that Ben doesn't mind touting his injuries. So its accurate, unlike your incorrect application. Look, berad, think what you want....The Steelers success under the Tomlin administration has been phenomenal...I'm good with how they treat their players. And I don't expect to change the minds of people in here...its kinda like trying to convince non-believers that we did land on the moon or conspiracy theorists that there was no shooter on the grassy knoll.
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Don't believe in any conspiracies but Roethlisberger was on the field longer than he had to be, while he was still injured. He said himself that he suffered a setback so it's one of the two: he was out there too long or Roethlisberger is an [s]liar[/s] embellish-er.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1325791932' post='935813']

Don't believe in any conspiracies but Roethlisberger was on the field longer than he had to be, while he was still injured. He said himself that he suffered a setback so it's one of the two: he was out there too long or Roethlisberger is an [s]liar[/s] embellish-er.
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Should have been in the game, he's the starting QB of the Steelers....tweaked it...probably...still the right decision to play him.

[bpytnjr58]

Rage against the Machine!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1325793979' post='935839']

Should have been in the game, he's the starting QB of the Steelers....tweaked it...probably...still the right decision to play him.
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See I disagree vs the Browns completely. You did not need him to win that game. You don't think Batch could have put up 13 points? And I quote from Ben "we're working hard to get back to where we were before the Browns' game". No, he shouldn't have been in that game. It was an unnecessary risk. He wanted to be in that game and Tomlin caved. And please don't even go there with conspiracy theories. I already said that I had always felt that Pitt treated their players right in the past. It is only this season that I have seen instances to the contrary. Have there also been times when they chose to err on the side of caution? I can think of one and that was when they kept Troy out due to his history of concussions. It could very well be more of a case of Tomlin caving in to Ben's need to play the tough guy and play injured more than a disregard for his health. Either way, the point I was making was that it was an unnecessary risk, especially in the Browns' game, and now you are going into the playoffs with a gimpy QB.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1325799109' post='935943']

See I disagree vs the Browns completely. You did not need him to win that game. You don't think Batch could have put up 13 points? And I quote from Ben "we're working hard to get back to where we were before the Browns' game". No, he shouldn't have been in that game. It was an unnecessary risk. He wanted to be in that game and Tomlin caved. And please don't even go there with conspiracy theories. I already said that I had always felt that Pitt treated their players right in the past. It is only this season that I have seen instances to the contrary. Have there also been times when they chose to err on the side of caution? I can think of one and that was when they kept Troy out due to his history of concussions. It could very well be more of a case of Tomlin caving in to Ben's need to play the tough guy and play injured more than a disregard for his health. Either way, the point I was making was that it was an unnecessary risk, especially in the Browns' game, and now you are going into the playoffs with a gimpy QB.
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Ben was full practice today...he will be fine. Mark Schlereth commented, "people don't understand that in the NFL you have to learn to play hurt and learn to play injured." He went on to say that he felt Ben would play better against Denver because he played the Cleveland game. I am inclined to agree with him. Tomlin wouldn't cave to anyone....are you serious? Tomlin made the decision he felt was best for his teams opportunity to win.

[Azmo]

Everyone should be enjoying the pundits and Pitt fans talking about them killing the Broncos... I seem to remember a playoff game last year where the 11-5 Saints traveled to the 7-9 Seahawks... Nobody gave the Seahawks the chance of a snowflake in hell... I don't remember a single pundit who gave Seattle any chance at all...

I don't care who we face in the 2nd round... Ravens have shown that they have Pitts number... Bungles are more dangerous than them... I am just going to cheer for that underdog in Denver to show all the talking heads they were wrong...

[Moderator 2]

For Ryan Clarks sake I am glade they are sitting him out even though it sounds selfish

[RavenRage92]

Was looking at the weather for the games this weekend. Calling for some snow in Denver saturday and Sunday, could make things interesting sunday night.

http://www.weather.com/weather/5-day/USCO0105

[PuRock]

[quote name='RavenRage92' timestamp='1325868393' post='936415']
Was looking at the weather for the games this weekend. Calling for some snow in Denver saturday and Sunday, could make things interesting sunday night.

[url="http://www.weather.com/weather/5-day/USCO0105"]http://www.weather.c.../5-day/USCO0105[/url]
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That cold will make Ben's Ankle feel tighter than usual.

[RavenRage92]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1325868603' post='936418']

That cold will make Ben's Ankle feel tighter than usual.
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Would make the hits he could take from Miller and Dumervile much harder on his ankle too.

[a20havoc]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1325613403' post='933387']
Yea and I think the Broncos' defense is going to force a lot of turnovers. The Steelers are limping in just like the Texans. But as we all know, Pitt is still extremely tough to beat
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Vicious when cornered, like a wounded coywolf from the wilds of Western PA.

[Fricknmaniac]

There may be more turnovers than points in this game...

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='a20havoc' timestamp='1325869978' post='936434']

Vicious when cornered, like a wounded coywolf from the wilds of Western PA.[/quote]

I've killed a pack of three with my own hands.

[Natty Boh]

Ok I'm not saying that sending some positive vibes to Tebow and the Broncos won this game for them...but it didn't hurt.

Good job Denver.

[H8R]

This thread pulled back the Cashmere Curtain....