Whats With The Cary Williams Silence?

[PSG_Mud]

He seems like the most silently whispered about player on the team. Almost, as if... he doesn't exist.

He truly is a ninja.

He may not have many picks this year, but, hes been pretty gosh darn consistent imho. He also made some pretty nice tackles today.

We got him next year locked up right?

Think he deserves a medium-big contract in the future?

What do you guys think about Cary going into the post season?

[The Raven]

[quote name='PSG_Mud' timestamp='1325478617' post='931261']
He seems like the most silently whispered about player on the team. Almost, as if... he doesn't exist.

He truly is a ninja.

He may not have many picks this year, but, hes been pretty gosh darn consistent imho. He also made some pretty nice tackles today.

We got him next year locked up right?

Think he deserves a medium-big contract in the future?

What do you guys think about Cary going into the post season?
[/quote]

Solid CB. Not great, but not bad. Somewhat reliable. I have no problem with him. If we end up playing the Patriots, Saints, or Packers I may get a little concerned.

I want to resign him, but I'm not sure for how long of how much. I think 3 years 9 million will be fine but I'm no good with cap numbers or salaries or any of that stuff.

[cobrajet]

He has played pretty solid. Webb has been outstanding.

[FootballMasta20]

What really sucks is that we signed Chris Carr to a big contract in the off season and he is currently our 4th string corner. With Webb and Foxworth both injured and after releasing Josh Wilson the Ravens panicked and signed Chris Carr too a big contract. Webb will be a solid starter for years to come and Jimmy Smith is a future shut down corner. Carr will be with us for a few more years. If we are short on money in free agency then it looks like Cary Williams is the odd man out. I really like him but we are stacked at corner. Idk what we will do.

[RivenHale]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325480791' post='931332']

Solid CB. Not great, but not bad. Somewhat reliable. I have no problem with him. If we end up playing the Patriots, Saints, or Packers I may get a little concerned.[/quote]

To be fair, I mean, wouldn't you be concerned no matter who we had at corner?

[bauer77]

It sucks because like FootballMasta said, we locked up Carr for a few more seasons, and cutting him would give us a pretty big penalty probably. And we need money to lock down Rice long-term, hopefully bring back Grubbs, and a few of our other guys. I;m not sure how the cap situation will look for us next year, but i would hope we bring back Cary, just don't know if we'll have the money for him though.

[Dfence4champs2052]

I'm not that high on him. He's solid but the 10 yard plus cushion he gives drives me absolutely mad. He has decent play but zero picks doesn't help his case much. Overall, nothing to celebrate imo. To each his own though.

[keebl3rs]

I wish I was as confident as the rest of ya'll calling Jimmy Smith a future "lockdown" cornor. Not saying he isn't good/showing promise as a rookie.. but the lockdown cornor tag is pretty hard to obtain.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='PSG_Mud' timestamp='1325478617' post='931261']
He seems like the most silently whispered about player on the team. Almost, as if... he doesn't exist.

[b]He truly is a ninja[/b].

He may not have many picks this year, but, hes been pretty gosh darn consistent imho. He also made some pretty nice tackles today.

We got him next year locked up right?

Think he deserves a medium-big contract in the future?

What do you guys think about Cary going into the post season?
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Made me laugh lol. But yea he's developed into a pretty good cb

[ghost1986]

[quote name='FootballMasta20' timestamp='1325482659' post='931385']
What really sucks is that we signed Chris Carr to a big contract in the off season and he is currently our 4th string corner. With Webb and Foxworth both injured and after releasing Josh Wilson the Ravens panicked and signed Chris Carr too a big contract. Webb will be a solid starter for years to come and Jimmy Smith is a future shut down corner. Carr will be with us for a few more years. If we are short on money in free agency then it looks like Cary Williams is the odd man out. I really like him but we are stacked at corner. Idk what we will do.
[/quote]
Worst decision in the offseason, resigning Carr if you ask me.

[Blex64]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1325490268' post='931517']
Worst decision in the offseason, resigning Carr if you ask me.
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Carr's better then Cary at what he does.

Webb and Jimmy should be our outside corners with Carr in the nickel.

Cary is mediocre. He's not a liability in coverage but he gives gigantic cushions to people and allows touchdowns fairly recently. I'd pay him OK, but certainly not a big contract. 1.2-1.5m or so.

[ghost1986]

I'm sorry, but no. Carr's terrible. Other than the one pass, which was thrown right at him, how many deflections did you see Carr have? Cary had way more. I'm not saying he's a shut down corner, but they successfully targeted Carr today. He's too short and he played off as well. Every time I see the guy in game, I worry. I'm not the most confident with Jimmy starting yet. I was today because he's played against Green and Dalton and did well in the last meeting, but Rivers and SD embarrassed him. They did it to Cary as well, but I'd much rather have Cary and Webb as our starting outside corners. I'd literally rather have Gorrer in than Chris Carr.

[Blex64]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1325491814' post='931522']
I'm sorry, but no. Carr's terrible. Other than the one pass, which was thrown right at him, how many deflections did you see Carr have? Cary had way more. I'm not saying he's a shut down corner, but they successfully targeted Carr today. He's too short and he played off as well. Every time I see the guy in game, I worry. I'm not the most confident with Jimmy starting yet. I was today because he's played against Green and Dalton and did well in the last meeting, but Rivers and SD embarrassed him. They did it to Cary as well, but I'd much rather have Cary and Webb as our starting outside corners. I'd literally rather have Gorrer in than Chris Carr.
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Gorrer has twice as many deflections as he does completions allowed (or did a few weeks ago). He's been fantastic.

Webb is 5'10", clearly too short to be a corner. What's that you say? He's our best corner on the outside? Well [profanity deleted]. Oh, and Carr is a nickel back. I'm not advocating sticking him on the outside at all.

Cary is subpar. And no, I don't want to see Cary and Jimmy on the outside with Webb in the slot. Webb needs to stay on the outside. If you want to throw Gorrer into the conversation we definitely can, but Cary's not worth a paycheck.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1325492104' post='931524']


Gorrer has twice as many deflections as he does completions allowed (or did a few weeks ago). He's been fantastic.

Webb is 5'10", clearly too short to be a corner. What's that you say? He's our best corner on the outside? Well [profanity deleted]. Oh, and Carr is a nickel back. I'm not advocating sticking him on the outside at all.

Cary is subpar. And no, I don't want to see Cary and Jimmy on the outside with Webb in the slot. Webb needs to stay on the outside. If you want to throw Gorrer into the conversation we definitely can, but Cary's not worth a paycheck.
[/quote]
Always appreciate ur posts cause u know what ur talking about.. But u may be a little harsh on Cary.. Remember this is his first year with any playing time at all basically.. Let alone being a full time starter and consistently asked to cover great receivers every week..

Obviously he isn't an excellent CB yet by any means but did anyone on earth really see his progression a year ago? 6 months ago?

[Markus92]

cary has damn near saved our season.... he's pretty much a rookie starting and he's holding his own.... if you don't agree you are unappreciative at what he has done for us....he deserves a chance to defend his starting position...its only fair.....btw the cushion he gives isn't his decision ...its the play called by pagano....if you knew football you would understand that

[H8R]

If Cary could play the ball better in the air, the kid would have had a great Season. He's pretty solid and I see him improving greatly over the offseason.

[MsMarvel73]

My opinion? We should have fought harder to keep Josh Wilson.

[churchy]

[quote name='FootballMasta20' timestamp='1325482659' post='931385']
What really sucks is that we signed Chris Carr to a big contract in the off season and he is currently our 4th string corner. With Webb and Foxworth both injured and after releasing Josh Wilson the Ravens panicked and signed Chris Carr too a big contract. Webb will be a solid starter for years to come and Jimmy Smith is a future shut down corner. Carr will be with us for a few more years. If we are short on money in free agency then it looks like Cary Williams is the odd man out. I really like him but we are stacked at corner. Idk what we will do.
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Could we just cut Carr?

[ravens__]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1325512828' post='931636']
My opinion? We should have fought harder to keep Josh Wilson.
[/quote]

I agree but... Wilson made it clear it was like a dream to him to join the Redskins since his family (and specifically his grandfather if I recall correctly) were longtime Redskins faithfuls.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1325492104' post='931524']


[u][i][b]Cary is subpar[/b][/i][/u]. And no, I don't want to see Cary and Jimmy on the outside with Webb in the slot. Webb needs to stay on the outside. If you want to throw Gorrer into the conversation we definitely can, but[u][i][b] Cary's not worth a paycheck.[/b][/i][/u]
[/quote]

Sub par? Not worth a paycheck? Not sure what you have been watching, but Cary has been pretty solid and has the potential to be much better. Definitely a keeper.

[H8R]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1325512828' post='931636']
My opinion? We should have fought harder to keep Josh Wilson.
[/quote]

My opinion is Josh Wilson wanted to go to the Skins. Besides, he didn't have a good year with the skins. Granted, much better then Carr.

[Guest RBates]

In this league with offenses getting bigger at wide out it is good to have tall corners that can play. I think Cary is a very good corner, that like most players on our team still needs work. My concern lies with Jimmy Smith. Hurt again?

[dontbnvus]

Name Snaps Tckls assts Targets Com Percent PDs Int Tds allowed

Webb 921 57 4 85 49 57.6 10 5 0

Cary 909 59 9 101 54 53.5 11 0 4

Now I may be wrong... but didnt most of those TDs allowed come from the first thee games that Cary started?( remeber lockout no OTAs) Also I can recall two of them where it was a short redzone with no pressure on the QB. To say this man has been subpar and not worth a paycheck is a stretch. ( being polite ) He has improved and continues to do so. Many times on the completions that he gives up, it is a great catch and the coverage is there. I think this guy has a very good future in this league. I will agree he should work on his ball skills. Then the ints will come.. Cary has a lot of upside.

Corners play the scheme. You can NOT have a corner in press while in man2man coverage. That is almost suicide. You must have help over the top while in press coverage. Ravens have a very balanced defense. To obtain this, you cannot always be in a cover two type of zone. Yes, sometimes you can but it depends on the defense that is called for that specific play. Tight man coverage on NFL receivers is a recipe for disaster without deep help and a effective pass rush. This is why you often see a " cushion " . If we went into a 2 deep zone simply so we can have our corners in press we are wide open for many other offensive plays. They have to mix it up and disguise.

All that being said. I would take Cary over most teams number 2 corner and a lot of teams number 1.


Sorry the stat format did not show up as expected. But I htink you can figure it out.

[The Raven]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1325512828' post='931636']
My opinion? We should have fought harder to keep Josh Wilson.
[/quote]

I beleive we let him go not only because he wanted to be a Redskin, but because he's a zone corner for the most part. Redskins run mostly zone but Pagano likes to do man coverage more than zone. Wilson wouldn't really fit in as much.

[hawkprey]

I don't understand how anyone can criticize the guy. He played on special teams last year and he's been covering 1s this year. He's looked better than our #1 draft pick and he was taken in the 7th round. It's been a great year for Cary even if Webb outshines him. Webb's outshined everyone.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1325492104' post='931524']

Gorrer has twice as many deflections as he does completions allowed (or did a few weeks ago). He's been fantastic.

Webb is 5'10", clearly too short to be a corner. What's that you say? He's our best corner on the outside? Well [profanity deleted]. Oh, and Carr is a nickel back. I'm not advocating sticking him on the outside at all.

Cary is subpar. And no, I don't want to see Cary and Jimmy on the outside with Webb in the slot. Webb needs to stay on the outside. If you want to throw Gorrer into the conversation we definitely can, but Cary's not worth a paycheck.
[/quote]
Carr is a 5'7 zone corner playing in primarily a man coverage system. Cary isn't an above average corner but neither is Carr, the difference is Cary actually has upside with his length and size. Carr made a nice break on a ball yesterday in man coverage but most people that have watched him play in the last 2 years were likely surprised. He's undersized, and in the wrong system to his coverage strengths. Carr was the one not worth the paycheck, especially the route Pagano is trying to go with out secondary.

[deathbird52]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1325492104' post='931524']

Gorrer has twice as many deflections as he does completions allowed (or did a few weeks ago). He's been fantastic.

Webb is 5'10", clearly too short to be a corner. What's that you say? He's our best corner on the outside? Well [profanity deleted]. Oh, and Carr is a nickel back. I'm not advocating sticking him on the outside at all.

Cary is subpar. And no, I don't want to see Cary and Jimmy on the outside with Webb in the slot. Webb needs to stay on the outside. If you want to throw Gorrer into the conversation we definitely can, but Cary's not worth a paycheck.
[/quote]

Webb has been our best corner and is clearly not too short.

[Adam Jones]

Whoever said "somewhat reliable" I have to agree with, my word was tolerable.
I think McKinnie and Pollard are the ones who don't get enough credit when it comes to new additions. Pollard has locked down the starting safety spot next to Reed and McKinnie has been darn near a savior IMHO considering we would have been starting a rookie at RT and Oher at LT if we didn't get him.

[CapoRocky]

Okay, we look for a new CB in free agency this offseason. I'm only concerned about the playoffs right now. These are the guys that got us this far so we can only support them and hope for the best.

[balimore]

Cary Williams has done an astonishing job. Cary and Webb have been a great surprise for us this year.