Mcgahee?

[#1 D]

[quote name='funky141' post='73656' date='Oct 7 2008, 03:42 PM']Heap is a TE while McGahee is a RB who takes more punishment during a game.
In 2004 and 2007 he only played in 6 games. The most TDs he every caught in a season was 7 in 2005. Lets see how many games he plays this year.


P.S. [i]<edit>no need for that in here<edit>[/i][/quote]
Seriously....seriously? with all due respect to Mcgahee and his toughness playing through injury, Heap has been sacrificing his body as the go-to guy for all the mediocre quarterbacks weve had since his rookie year. My signature explains all.

[rayvenfan_52]

This is what I dont get. Why do people protect 1 of our guys and blast the other? If youre a Ravens fan then you should be protecting both. Dont blast one and protect the other.

With that kinda logic you might as well shoot the one who loves you and stick with the one you hate.

[#1 D]

[quote name='rayvenfan_52' post='73729' date='Oct 7 2008, 07:22 PM']This is what I dont get. Why do people protect 1 of our guys and blast the other? If youre a Ravens fan then you should be protecting both. Dont blast one and protect the other.

With that kinda logic you might as well shoot the one who loves you and stick with the one you hate.[/quote]
???? Well, im sorry i don't mean it personally. I mean some people like to totally ridicule someone's post, and that's wrong. but disagreeing isn't a sin.

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='#1 D' post='73731' date='Oct 7 2008, 02:32 PM'] ???? Well, im sorry i don't mean it personally. I mean some people like to totally ridicule someone's post, and that's wrong. but disagreeing isn't a sin. [/quote]

lol... I had to edit my post. I didnt know it was you. We were defending the same person so yea...

[mcgaheewillrunyourassover]

[quote name='neepo13' post='73723' date='Oct 7 2008, 06:56 PM']Excuses! Excuses! Excuses![/quote]

thats just what someone says when their team wins by default
or in a RB comparison comparing a healthy one to an injured one to try and make it sound more impressive...but its not...because the injury is the reason

[#1 D]

lol its cool

[neepo13]

[quote name='mcgaheewillrunyourassover' post='73737' date='Oct 7 2008, 07:56 PM']thats just what someone says when their team wins by default
or in a RB comparison comparing a healthy one to an injured one to try and make it sound more impressive...but its not...because the injury is the reason[/quote]

So, its ok to make them for Willis but Heap doesnt get that same benefit?

[Lets_Go_Joe]

ok, didnt read the whole post, read the first 5 or 6 b/w I*B*P and POE, and I have to agree more with I*B*P, I havent seen the results out of willis that I've wanted to see. Instead, its Le'ron, he runs angry, and he runs like someone stole his lunch money. I'm not saying he makes Willis obsolete, but he is definitely making it easy to question the organizations investment in Willis.... I agree willis is a top 5 back when healthy and driven, but im not sure either of those are true right now. Sure, when he got his eye poked, and went back in I loved it, but the problems still remain, hes not breaking big plays, hes not getting in the endzone. Le'ron is doing everything we need, I just want the old Willis back, (You know, the one who ran like Leron has...... last season he ran like this) not this year... Let Mcgahee get his **** together and ride Le'ron for now is my opinion

[POE]

CARavensFan said earlier to use Willis in the first half to run up the score and then bring McClain in to finish the game. I actually think doing the exact opposite would work a little more in a our favor. I'm no coach or nothing and have a lot of faith in our coaches to make the right decisions in every situation, but what do you think about wearing the Colts down through the first half with McClain and then slowly bring in Willis for that 1-2 punch to finish it off. I would think that McClain would wear them down early so that a fresh Willis can break off a few of those big ones late, and Leron can catch a few breathers to continue to wear down that D. All of this would depend on how the game was played and that we were not down by a lot, but if McClain can be effective early then it would give Willis the rest he needs to play against a worn out D. This could be useful down the stretch. What do you guys think?

[PurpleClawsOfFURY]

2 Things

1. Remember the 12 game stretch ahead of us and keep that in mind for using mcgahee
2. I think Willis' running style is what causes his injuries (I.E- Massive Knee Injury at the U)

Keep up the good debate i like reading this one

[Raven07]

using the system as it is right now with McGahee then McClain then Rice, is the best possible option that we could have gone with in our situation(s)..all of our ball carriers have the talent and the big play ability to pick up those big gains and fight for that extra yardage and put the offense THAT much further on the field than they would have been before. Rotating each of them into the active lineup keeps everyone fresh and ready to give 100 percent or more when called upon, it keeps the vision of each ground threat equal as when they started the game and it allows for the players to maintain that constant burst and speed throughout the course of the game. to add to it all, we also have the 2008 NFL pre-season rushing leader on our practice Squad, IF things do decide to turn out to be that bad for us in the running game down the road, so the Team is prety confident in the ground game and each of those players individual abilities/talents to help this team along and contribute to the team effort of winning the game at the very end.

McGahee said that he wanted a Full workload but as of yet he has shown that he cannot handle that type of load as of just yet, so having athletic speed players behind McGahee in the lineup, only means that we dont have to necessarilt worry about our ground game just yet, if at all...the depth and the players we have and the attributes in which all of them bring to the table, offers this team ( the Ravens) a vital aspect of offensive ability in which im sure ALOT of other teams only dreamed they had. Their dreams are our reality, and the mainstay of keeping a healthy stable of speedy, powerful and elusive crop of running backs.

[H8R]

Lets not pull away from the Raven way, POUND THE ROCK. Not out of necessity, but because it opens up everything else more then we could imagine. They(Other teams) are already stacking up on Dlines, trying to supress our attack(trying to Make Flacco beat them), why not exploit them with more play action and screen passes? Both McClain and Mcgahee can do it. I feel like we are a balanced attack once ALL of or REceivers are on the same page as the QB. Willis will be out feature back when healthy but McClain should see 12-15 carries to start it out. Once that happens,(and it will) you will see an old school Alstott,Dunn type attack. This will allow Flacco to have more looks down the field!

[FerrariFan87]

Mcgahee is still working through nagging injuries and his lack of "football shape." I fully expect him to dominate this week along with LeRon and Rice. Like I said on another thread, if we don't rush it at least 35 total times we will lose...

[slugz]

i think the carries that mcclain got that would have been mcgahee's carries which would have been mcgahee yards now i dont know if mcgahee would have gotten those yards that mcclain got but we all should just let mcgahee get well and stop badgering him he will be aight

[Bazard]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' post='73534' date='Oct 6 2008, 11:11 PM']I hope I'm wrong and he comes around. But I gotta be worried, as a fan, when our number 1 RB isn't playing so hot. I understand that injuries happen, but McClain is a battering ram and stays healthy.


I bet I'd last......[b]1 MINUTE[/b] I don't get paid millions of dollars to run in the NFL. Come work on the Comm Systems of the AWACS and see how long you last. It's all relative. [/quote]

Dude its the nfl all it takes is one hit to the right spot and your injured McClain has been lucky enough to stay healthy but remember the next play can always be your last remember Kevin Everet

[RavensIQ]

McGahee isn't tearing up the field like he should bcuz of his off season work ethic and attitude. He didn't put in the work he needed and now he's getting banged up left and right coming to the sideline every other play bcuz his body can't absorb a hit. I love McGahee but LeRon is playing at a higher level right now and deserves more reps unto proven otherwise. I would actually like to see Ray Rice be involved a lil more to lighten the load a lil more on both LeRon and Willis.

As the season moves a long McGahee will get back into the football condition he needs to be in for the remaining season of football. But, he should have worked on that over the summer, taken care of his knee in the off season and shouldv'e been prepared for game 1. So I don't feel much sympathy for him. But, as he carries the ball more and more each game he will eventually get back to his Pro Bowl form and start pounding the rock for the majority of the game limiting LeRon to power down situations..

I like what I'm seeing from a our run game, now our passing game needs to step up.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

Good debate, guys. Again, I wasn't trying to start some controversy. I was just posting numbers and trying to look at things from the "other" side. I guess I like playing Devil's advocate

[BRYAN1146]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' post='73529' date='Oct 6 2008, 11:06 PM']Guys, I gotta be honest. Some of you will probably get offended by what I'm about to say:

McGahee looks like a little girl out there. I don't think the numbers tell the whole story. I don't know what it is, but he looks like he's running soooo slow and is falling over at the gust of a wind. Maybe he's lost that hunger for the game, that fire? I don't know what it is, but I can't be alone in what I'm seeing.
I think McClain is becoming the feature back around here and I'm loving it! The man runs like someone mugged his grandmother! And he's got ALOT of years left.
Ray Rice hasn't shown me ****.

Some quick stats from 2008:


[b]Willis[/b] is averaging 3.4 yards/carry with a long of 16, 1 TD, 6.4 yds/rec with a long of 15
[b]Leron[/b] is averaging 4.2 yards/carry with a long of 17 and 4 TD's , 7.1 yds/rec with a long of 25.
[b]Ray[/b] is averaging 3.0 yards/carry with a long of 11, 0 TD's, 6.3 yds/rec with a long of 8 and a Lost Fumble.

I wouldn't exactly call this a 3-headed monster. I understand that Willis sat out the first game, and parts of others but it's not like McClain has a TON more carries (63 to 50, McClain). Ray hasn't touched the ball a whole lot (28 carries with a fumble). Just food for thought.[/quote]

I agree. i was getting ready to make a new post about it i was checking to see if someone else did first. it seems that since willis came back are great running game that we saw in the first 2 weeks has stoped. im not even judging it by the total yds per game which that is lower by the way, im judging it by the effectivness of the attack. the way we controoled the line of scrimage and the clock. the first 2 games we just beat up the other teams pounding the ball which does open up the passing game or play action. i know we pay willis alot of money but we gotta go with what works.

[Moderator 3]

[quote]it seems that since willis came back are great running game that we saw in the first 2 weeks has stoped[/quote]


The first two weeks we played teams with bad defenses. The last two games have been against teams with VERY good defenses. I think that's your difference.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

The last two have been excellent defense. But it still impresses me when we still got 100+ yards out of that game when they couldn't. That was without Ray Rice with any carries too. I'm anxious to see how we do against Indianapolis' terrible run D.

[smashmouth]

I think We should start at least the first QTR maybe the 2nd also with McClain and Neal, with McGahee spelling Him, and for some 3rd downs. It would be like when the Steelers won the SB, they pounded the defense with the bus and for short yardage. But would bring Parker in on 3rd and longs mostly and sometimes on 1st or 2nd down, then in the 2nd half Parker would run wild with His speed because the defense took a pounding from the power of Bettis.

Then after McClain beat on them for 2 good qtrs Bring McGahee in, He should be fresh if He only was in here and there and He would be running all over a tired D. Especially in the 4th, which is where we need Him the most.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='Moderator 3' post='74250' date='Oct 10 2008, 07:30 AM']The first two weeks we played teams with bad defenses. The last two games have been against teams with VERY good defenses. I think that's your difference.[/quote]

Yes, but the fact remains that McClain WOULD have gained more yards had he been the feature back the last two games, as well. McClain gets less carries= less total yards. I think that's what he was trying to say.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

I think we'll really have a breakout game against the Colts. I don't see their defense stopping McClain and McGahee. It all comes down to how our secondary works out without Samari Rolle AND Fabian Washington. Come on Walker, WE NEED YOU, MAN!!!