Mcgahee?

[I*Bleed*Purple]

Guys, I gotta be honest. Some of you will probably get offended by what I'm about to say:

McGahee looks like a little girl out there. I don't think the numbers tell the whole story. I don't know what it is, but he looks like he's running soooo slow and is falling over at the gust of a wind. Maybe he's lost that hunger for the game, that fire? I don't know what it is, but I can't be alone in what I'm seeing.
I think McClain is becoming the feature back around here and I'm loving it! The man runs like someone mugged his grandmother! And he's got ALOT of years left.
Ray Rice hasn't shown me ****.

Some quick stats from 2008:


[b]Willis[/b] is averaging 3.4 yards/carry with a long of 16, 1 TD, 6.4 yds/rec with a long of 15
[b]Leron[/b] is averaging 4.2 yards/carry with a long of 17 and 4 TD's , 7.1 yds/rec with a long of 25.
[b]Ray[/b] is averaging 3.0 yards/carry with a long of 11, 0 TD's, 6.3 yds/rec with a long of 8 and a Lost Fumble.

I wouldn't exactly call this a 3-headed monster. I understand that Willis sat out the first game, and parts of others but it's not like McClain has a TON more carries (63 to 50, McClain). Ray hasn't touched the ball a whole lot (28 carries with a fumble). Just food for thought.

[funky141]

what!!!
McGahee played the game with briused ribs. Go play 1 minute with briused ribs in the NFL... se how long you last.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='funky141' post='73532' date='Oct 6 2008, 10:09 PM']what!!!
McGahee played the game with briused ribs. Go play 1 minute with briused ribs in the NFL... se how long you last.[/quote]

I hope I'm wrong and he comes around. But I gotta be worried, as a fan, when our number 1 RB isn't playing so hot. I understand that injuries happen, but McClain is a battering ram and stays healthy.


I bet I'd last......[b]1 MINUTE[/b] I don't get paid millions of dollars to run in the NFL. Come work on the Comm Systems of the AWACS and see how long you last. It's all relative.

[POE]

I couldn't disagree with you more. I think he has given it his all but is still hampered by injuries. He has shown some heart out there trying to play with one eye and then coming back after having bruised his ribs was pretty gutsy too. If you have ever had any kind of rib injury you would understand, running the ball against a top 5 D isn't the place you want to be with injuries like that. Even with the lack of carries he has had I beleive he is still making an impact. However, I would rather have a 100% McGahee to close out the end of the season then let him to continue to play all banged up until he ends up putting himself out for the season and i beleive that McClain and Rice could do a very good job in his absence.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='POE' post='73535' date='Oct 6 2008, 10:13 PM']I couldn't disagree with you more. I think he has given it his all but is still hampered by injuries. He has shown some heart out there trying to play with one eye and then coming back after having bruised his ribs was pretty gutsy too. If you have ever had any kind of rib injury you would understand, running the ball against a top 5 D isn't the place you want to be with injuries like that. Even with the lack of carries he has had I beleive he is still making an impact. However, I would rather have a 100% McGahee to close out the end of the season then let him to continue to play all banged up until he ends up putting himself out for the season and i beleive that McClain and Rice could do a very good job in his absence.[/quote]

Thank you for an intelligent response!

[POE]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' post='73536' date='Oct 6 2008, 11:15 PM']Thank you for an intelligent response![/quote]

I know that might not be what you want to hear, and you have your own opinion and I respect that, but I just think Willis needs to take a game or two off and stop rushing himself back. He sees the potential of this offense and knows how hard the O-line is fighting out there and wants to be in on the action but he needs to take a look at what lies down the road for us with the schedule that has been handed to us. We are gonna need him and at this rate he won't last long.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='POE' post='73539' date='Oct 6 2008, 10:19 PM']I know that might not be what you want to hear, and you have your own opinion and I respect that, but I just think Willis needs to take a game or two off and stop rushing himself back. He sees the potential of this offense and knows how hard the O-line is fighting out there and wants to be in on the action but he needs to take a look at what lies down the road for us with the schedule that has been handed to us. We are gonna need him and at this rate he won't last long.[/quote]

Dually noted. I agree about resting him, especially since McClain has shown that he can handle the load. Whether we agree or not, I appreciate the intelligent response. I wasn't being sarcastic.

[funky141]

[quote]I know that might not be what you want to hear, and you have your own opinion and I respect that, but I just think Willis needs to take a game or two off and stop rushing himself back. He sees the potential of this offense and knows how hard the O-line is fighting out there and wants to be in on the action but he needs to take a look at what lies down the road for us with the schedule that has been handed to us. We are gonna need him and at this rate he won't last long.[/quote]

McGahee should be fine after 2 weeks from his rib injury exspecialy since he played this past week.

[POE]

I appreciate that I*BLEED*PURPLE. I get pretty annoyed when the one liners start to pile up too. Nothing worse then starting a topic of importance and either get ignored or the conversation gets bogged down with meaningless answers with no backing.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

Nobody else has an opinion on this issue?

[nevermore621]

McGahee is coming off knee surgery, has banged up ribs, had his eye majorly poked during the Browns game...I don't think we are seeing the man at full speed yet. In career stats he has much the same output as a projected Leron McClain. (looking at the ESPN stats)

But, that being said, McClain is the kind of back we used to see in Jerome Bettis (sorry for the analogy, but I think it fits). He is not LT but he IS a durable, bowl you over, keep driving the pile til the whistle is blown, and then some, kind of back.

I support more utilization of McClain, especially in short yardage situations, but anticipate McGahee coming into his stride when he gets healthy. Perhaps what Cam Cameron has in mind is like the situation where New Orleans is using both Deuce McAllister and Reggie Bush.

Yeah, I have been getting a little impatient myself with the pace of our running game, but I think it will come around when McGahee gets 100%.

[bossman419]

I agree with all posts here. Idk if anyone said this but, we just played two top 5 run defenses and did a decent job. Once McGahee just sits out a game to heal I think he will be contributing more. He still doesn't look in shape though

[TXRaven]

in my opinion the man has been a warrior. coming off of knee surery, having both eyes gouged and a rib injury. We may need to spell him a little more but he has performed admirably.

[PuRock]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' post='73553' date='Oct 7 2008, 01:19 AM']Nobody else has an opinion on this issue?[/quote]

I do not want to get to much into this issue. Because it is going to turn into another arguement about his conditioning. Luckily there is no redreed around.

IMO, McGahee can be viewed on both sides of the fence. He is showing that he is tough by playing through injuries and doing fairly well. But he hasn't had any of those breakout moments. Which leads many to jump on him right away.

But let's give him the benefit of the doubt, he has had to go up against the Titans & Steelers Defense. He was also a top 10 back last year. He's got a great chance to put up some big numbers against the Colts. And we also need to get him involved in the passing game, especially to the flats. Lately it seems we have been looking at the all-or-nothing in the passing game, while McGahee is a great threat in the short passing game.

[H8R]

IMO, he is a tough back that wants to be on the field. He will advance his health by sitting a game or limit him to 10-15 carries. He is not the power back Jamal was ( Not saying we should have kept him) I feel he shouldn't need to soften defenses up for 3 quarters and then crack a big run in the fourth. He should be ready to run, and ready to gain more then sub 4.0 AVG per rush. He wants to be on the field so badly because McClain is running so hard that his(McGahee) job may be in jeopardy as the number one. When you have Lorenzo blowing up guys and McClain coming thru after, no D-line wants to see that package! Willis should be a solid back once hi health is not in question.

[neepo13]

[quote name='funky141' post='73532' date='Oct 6 2008, 11:09 PM']what!!!
McGahee played the game with briused ribs. Go play 1 minute with briused ribs in the NFL... se how long you last.[/quote]

Leron McClain has been ailing from a bad back. Cmac is playing with a bum knee. Reed is playing with a bum shoulder/ neck. If those guys can play at a high level, while being injured why cant Willis. I love how, you guys are so quick to make an excuse for Willis but when Todd was still "rusty" or suffering from injury everybody wanted to bash him. Dont use excuses for one guy if you are not going to use them for all of them.

[RAVENS96]

mcgahee looked slow in the back field sunday, not JaLew slow but...sluggish however he made some great runs against a "great" defense - sorry media the thumbtacks - as my boys say, arent a great D a really good one maybe, anyways run the McClain train against the team from indy and get mcgahee into it as well, after the past two weeks this should feel like a week off for him LOL going up against that soft D
is it sunday yet!!!!

[Ozzsome]

willis is a great running back, he

[I*Bleed*Purple]

Good debate here fellas. This is what I like to see as a reader and contributor of this board. All too often things turn into personal attacks and insults. Like I said, McGahee is injured, we all know that. But his numbers aren't all that great, either. Maybe the answer [i]IS[/i] to sit him against the Colts and let Neal/McClain pound them into submission? McClain doesn't remind me much of Bettis. When I watch him run I think of a faster Jamal Lewis. He's got that "If you want to tackle me, you're going to pay" style, but shows a bit of speed as well.

[PuRock]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' post='73603' date='Oct 7 2008, 11:19 AM']Good debate here fellas. This is what I like to see as a reader and contributor of this board. All too often things turn into personal attacks and insults. Like I said, McGahee is injured, we all know that. But his numbers aren't all that great, either. Maybe the answer [i]IS[/i] to sit him against the Colts and let Neal/McClain pound them into submission? McClain doesn't remind me much of Bettis. When I watch him run I think of a faster Jamal Lewis. He's got that "If you want to tackle me, you're going to pay" style, but shows a bit of speed as well.[/quote]

I'm not sure about sitting McGahee against the Colts and going with the power run only. If we add the outside speed run, the Colts will have a lot more on their plate to defend instead of just the inside. They have a tough time in general against the run, but when you add different stlyes of running games, it really creates problems for them.

If we want to have a [u]great[/u] rushing day, we are going to need both McGahee and McClain and utilize the inside/outside rushing attack.

[funky141]

[quote]Leron McClain has been ailing from a bad back. Cmac is playing with a bum knee. Reed is playing with a bum shoulder/ neck. If those guys can play at a high level, while being injured why cant Willis. I love how, you guys are so quick to make an excuse for Willis but when Todd was still "rusty" or suffering from injury everybody wanted to bash him. Dont use excuses for one guy if you are not going to use them for all of them.[/quote]

McGahee is playing with recently knee surgery, bruised ribs, cut in the eye and still carried the ball 22 times against a top run defense. I don't call that excuses, I call that courage and toughness. If you can't see that then I feel sorry for you.

And T. Heap, I'm sorry but I do not think he is tough at all. He's always getting hurt and has he finished a whole season in the past 3 years?

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='PuRock' post='73606' date='Oct 7 2008, 10:43 AM']I'm not sure about sitting McGahee against the Colts and going with the power run only. If we add the outside speed run, the Colts will have a lot more on their plate to defend instead of just the inside. They have a tough time in general against the run, but when you add different stlyes of running games, it really creates problems for them.

If we want to have a [u]great[/u] rushing day, we are going to need both McGahee and McClain and utilize the inside/outside rushing attack.[/quote]

Yeah, but at what point do we sit McGahee and allow him to rest/heal? Because I do agree that we are gonna need him down the stretch. I think that very limited carries or just sitting him this Sunday would be a perfect opportunity to accomplish that. I think Neal/McClain will give the Colts PLENTY of problems.

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' post='73612' date='Oct 7 2008, 09:13 AM']Yeah, but at what point do we sit McGahee and allow him to rest/heal? Because I do agree that we are gonna need him down the stretch. I think that very limited carries or just sitting him this Sunday would be a perfect opportunity to accomplish that. I think Neal/McClain will give the Colts PLENTY of problems.[/quote]

I'd say that we use McGahee in a limited basis in the first half to help us build up a lead and then in the second half use McClain to eat up the clock and keep Peyton and the Colts Offense from trying to pull another miracle comeback against us.

[PuRock]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' post='73612' date='Oct 7 2008, 12:13 PM']Yeah, but at what point do we sit McGahee and allow him to rest/heal? Because I do agree that we are gonna need him down the stretch. I think that very limited carries or just sitting him this Sunday would be a perfect opportunity to accomplish that. I think Neal/McClain will give the Colts PLENTY of problems.[/quote]

The coaches will let us know by how they play him. I do not know how severe his injuries are, but if he can go, I'm sure both he and the coaches will want him to be in the game. We'll just have to wait until Sunday to find out.

[neepo13]

[quote name='funky141' post='73609' date='Oct 7 2008, 11:58 AM']McGahee is playing with recently knee surgery, bruised ribs, cut in the eye and still carried the ball 22 times against a top run defense. I don't call that excuses, I call that courage and toughness. If you can't see that then I feel sorry for you.

And T. Heap, I'm sorry but I do not think he is tough at all. He's always getting hurt and has he finished a whole season in the past 3 years?[/quote]

See what I am saying? Todd Heap played in all 16 games in 2005 and in 2006. And its funny you would say that about Todd in defense of Willis. McGahee has NOT PLAYED IN ALL 16 GAMES IN ANY OF THE LAST 3 SEASONS. The last time he did was in 2005. And he obiviously wont do it this year.

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[funky141]

[quote]See what I am saying? Todd Heap played in all 16 games in 2005 and in 2006. And its funny you would say that about Todd in defense of Willis. McGahee has NOT PLAYED IN ALL 16 GAMES IN ANY OF THE LAST 3 SEASONS. The last time he did was in 2005. And he obiviously wont do it this year.[/quote]

Heap is a TE while McGahee is a RB who takes more punishment during a game.
In 2004 and 2007 he only played in 6 games. The most TDs he every caught in a season was 7 in 2005. Lets see how many games he plays this year.


P.S. [i]<edit>no need for that in here<edit>[/i]

[neepo13]

[quote name='funky141' post='73656' date='Oct 7 2008, 03:42 PM']Heap is a TE while McGahee is a RB who takes more punishment during a game.
In 2004 and 2007 he only played in 6 games. The most TDs he every caught in a season was 7 in 2005. Lets see how many games he plays this year.


P.S. His wife is hot.[/quote]

Are you seriously going to ask that? Do you know how many times Todd Heap has been hung out to dry by his QB over the middle? I dont care what anybody says, going across the middle as a reciever is one of the most dangerous jobs in sports. Todd Heap did it all the time and he got drilled almost every single time.

[PuRock]

[quote name='neepo13' post='73660' date='Oct 7 2008, 03:48 PM']Are you seriously going to ask that? Do you know how many times Todd Heap has been hung out to dry by his QB over the middle?[/quote]

I was just about to make that point. I stick up for Heap because of all the abuse WE have given to him by having young or struggling QBs. For the past few years, our QBs have struggled completing passes. They've constantly led Heap into trouble. I can't tell you how many times I've seen Heap make a catch, and get blindsided the next second. The crowd loves it, and chants "Heeeaappp", but the minute he gets injured, they turn their backs on him, and claim him to be injury prone.

Getting hit blindsided at least twice a game...does not help Heap stay healthy.

[mcgaheewillrunyourassover]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' post='73529' date='Oct 6 2008, 11:06 PM']Guys, I gotta be honest. Some of you will probably get offended by what I'm about to say:

McGahee looks like a little girl out there. I don't think the numbers tell the whole story. I don't know what it is, but he looks like he's running soooo slow and is falling over at the gust of a wind. Maybe he's lost that hunger for the game, that fire? I don't know what it is, but I can't be alone in what I'm seeing.
I think McClain is becoming the feature back around here and I'm loving it! The man runs like someone mugged his grandmother! And he's got ALOT of years left.
Ray Rice hasn't shown me ****.

Some quick stats from 2008:


[b]Willis[/b] is averaging 3.4 yards/carry with a long of 16, 1 TD, 6.4 yds/rec with a long of 15
[b]Leron[/b] is averaging 4.2 yards/carry with a long of 17 and 4 TD's , 7.1 yds/rec with a long of 25.
[b]Ray[/b] is averaging 3.0 yards/carry with a long of 11, 0 TD's, 6.3 yds/rec with a long of 8 and a Lost Fumble.

I wouldn't exactly call this a 3-headed monster. I understand that Willis sat out the first game, and parts of others but it's not like McClain has a TON more carries (63 to 50, McClain). Ray hasn't touched the ball a whole lot (28 carries with a fumble). Just food for thought.[/quote]

you forgot something
willis 50% of games having some kind of injury and one feeling the effect of one from the last game
willis was falling forward in the pitt game,its not like he was awful...give him a break he can only see out of one eye

[neepo13]

[quote name='mcgaheewillrunyourassover' post='73722' date='Oct 7 2008, 06:54 PM']you forgot something
willis 50% of games having some kind of injury and one feeling the effect of one from the last game
willis was falling forward in the pitt game,its not like he was awful...give him a break he can only see out of one eye[/quote]

Excuses! Excuses! Excuses!