"bout Time Somebody Said It..."

[Mahatma_Sloth]

wow nash your teeth more ravens fans. i guess we all gotta hate and see red about someone on these boards. happens every year

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1325166355' post='925821']
thanks Joe! because you have only confirmed what myself and many others here have been saying all season long! and that is that Cam has you and our potentially explosive offense handcuffed with his piss-poor and b.s. playcalling! and...here is another part of that article that pisses me off a well:

On Monday, [i]Ravens coach [u][b]John Harbaugh disputed the notion that offensive coordinator Cam Cameron, who calls the plays, eased up in the second half[/b][/u], pointing out that three dropped passes[/i], two by tight end Ed Dickson, curtailed drives. “[u][b][i]The biggest issue in the second, obviously, was the drops[/i][/b][/u],” Harbaugh said. “If we catch the ball … those drives are going to be extended and we’re not going to be punting … It’s pretty simple what happened in the second half, I think.”

sooo, your starting QB said that the playcalling was conservative in the second half but you Coach...."disputed" that by saying that it was the drops? unbelievable! smh!

~Mili
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are you saying harbs is wrong in your infinite wisdom that those dropped passes wouldent extend those drives you know joe said something similar in the quote that this is about he said they went conservative because they were missing catches and misthrowing and it was about how what they do is never good enough for the media and i think some fans(you know who you are)
[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1325170138' post='925861']
I would take this a lot more seriously if Joe wasn't laughing the whole time he was saying that. I think this was just a "Give 'em something to talk about" moment, nothing more.
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wow some truth amongst a deluge of opinions

here it is again
look at you all just licking your chops over this juicy morsel of a quote too bad you got the intention behind it incorrect using what i like to call the "media corps method" when a quote is manipulated to fit ones perspective. the full quote to me seems like a critique on media coverage and how they are never pleased. if flacco is criticizing anyone its special teams maybe the d slightly. in the meat of the quote Flacco just shows he wants to take control, correct mistakes, and blow people out with his arm. which is alright with me

the full answer to the question is: " we didn't come out and play the way we wanted to obviously. [color=#800080][b]I think there's been games this year where we came out and thrown the ball because we've been down a lot and you guys have all complained about it[/b][/color] and now this week we came out and honestly played conservative and [color=#800080][b]when we didn't we missed a couple plays there was a drop or a miss throw here so I wish you guys woulda helped me out a little bit here and start complaining[/b][/color] a little bit that we were playing a little too conservatively and put pressure on our coaches to not do that. we're getting better each week and we got a lot of talent just a matter of going out there and executing plays and doing it for a full sixty minutes i think if we do that we will be happy [color=#800080][b]we cant let teams back in games it helps those guys out when they get a special teams return for a touchdown and just like that they could be back in the game with one offensive drive if we play as a team and stopped those things we woulda ran away with that game a little better[/b][/color]"

i guess its just a matter of perspective really.....

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1325183577' post='926108']

Look at the recievers:

Mason, who was our only guy who could get open with consistency (and last year, he really hit the wall).
Clayton, who was Clayton, no need to explain.
Boldin, who has been called out publicly by Rodney Harrison and Michael Irvin for not getting open.
Torrey Smith, who has been inconsistent, which is to be expected from a rookie.

Those guys have been our starters since Flacco has been here.

If we must blame either Cam or Flacco for the lack of seperation, I have no clue how a QB could affect a wr ability to get open, so by default it has to be Cam (since he is the guy after all who sends Boldin and Mason on streaks)
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The thing about this is that we can't completely blame our personnel either. Look at what the Bengals are doing with rookies, look at what other teams are doing with rookies. The plays themselves appear to be the culprits at critical times. I mean end arounds... really? Who are we trying to fool? Most of the good teams have our number offensively.

[Grapple Raven]

It is funny that if you watch the NFL highlight video(posted on this site) of the last play where we drew the Browns offsides you can clearly see it was Harbs doing the play calling on that one... and Cam even admits in in the "Game Plan - Offense" video(also on this site), but still takes credit for it even after he says that he already had a 4th down play... talk about control!!!

ps: love how he throws Joe under the bus on that throw to Torrey too, lol (granted Joe ain't perfect, but way to call out ya player Cam)

[Free Agent]

Joe doesnt say much, so when he says something like this, they listen. Thank you Joe!

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Until I see a wristband with plays on it, and some form of motion going on, I assume Joe is getting sick of being Cam's ROBOT!

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL' timestamp='1325188593' post='926216']
Until I see a wristband with plays on it, and some form of motion going on, I assume Joe is getting sick of being Cam's ROBOT!
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Yea what's with that? I've always wondered why Joe doesn't have plays on his arm or why he rearely puts his WR's in motion

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='Grapple Raven' timestamp='1325188024' post='926204']
It is funny that if you watch the NFL highlight video(posted on this site) of the last play where we drew the Browns offsides you can clearly see it was Harbs doing the play calling on that one... and Cam even admits in in the "Game Plan - Offense" video(also on this site), but still takes credit for it even after he says that he already had a 4th down play... talk about control!!!

[b]ps: love how he throws Joe under the bus on that throw to Torrey too, lol (granted Joe ain't perfect, but way to call out ya player Cam)[/b]
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If that's true it explains what Joe said. I really think these two do not get along and are only doing so on a professional level.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1325187794' post='926201']
The thing about this is that we can't completely blame our personnel either.[b] Look at what the Bengals are doing with rookies, look at what other teams are doing with rookies.[/b] [b]The plays themselves appear to be the culprits at critical times[/b]. [b]I mean end arounds... really? Who are we trying to fool?[/b] Most of the good teams have our number offensively.
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Dalton has certainly exceeded expectations but A.J. Green is special. From the moment he was drafted, he was already one of the most dynamic WRs in the game. The same goes Julio Jones. And opposite both those rookie WRs Torrey has made some acrobatic grabs this season and he should only get better, but there are certain things those two can do that he simply can't.

As for the end arounds, as much we bash Cam for them, every team in the league runs them. The Steelers routinely give Mike Wallace hand-offs that way. The Falcons do the same with Julio. Just last week, Green got his fifth carry of the season on an end around.

But I definitely agree Cam's play-calling is an issue too often and at critical times.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1325188701' post='926221']

Yea what's with that? I've always wondered why Joe doesn't have plays on his arm or why he rearely puts his WR's in motion
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Because he most likely isn't allowed to. The best anyone has been able to gather, Flacco can do two things: kill a play at the line of scrimmage, and ask for a play to be changed. He can't change the play himself, and he has no say on what the play is changed to, if Cam decides it should be changed. That's why when people say "Joe hasn't learned how to read and react to the defense" I shake my head. It makes no sense, because whatever he does recognize, he can't change the play on his own and adjust in stride.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1325188701' post='926221']

Yea what's with that? I've always wondered why Joe doesn't have plays on his arm or why he rearely puts his WR's in motion
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Well, this should answer it )

[img]http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad25/brmacdon/joeswrist.jpg[/img]

[CorvusCorax]

Those may not be the best examples, but here's a few more to consider. Abandoning the run on the San Diego game when we were making good progress WITH the run. There were a few other times where we abandoned the run too early and went pass happy instead of maintaining our composure and play with a little bit more patience. Cam has predictability to his play calling, there is no denying that.

Yeah AJ Green is special and I certainly do not forward to the future when he starts blowing up on TDs against us.

[PeRK82]

Now is a perfect time to throw cam under the bus, If the RAVENS offense fails and looks like crap, We will know who is to blame. Sick of having to worry about losing to some sorry, i mean SORRY teams because we have to run the clock out when the second half begins. , i dont know any other team that does it. We should be trying run the score up or try new plays. If Cameron is here next yr, i give up. There will be nothing left to say. Cameron , you make our QB and our Offense look like crap when they should be looking like GBs offense.

[bpytnjr58]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1325166893' post='925828']
I would love to see harbugh get his....out of cams... just once and call him out, it would be the wake up call he needs
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Just friends looking out for friends.

[Mick0311]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1325133119' post='925652']
Wile I dont disagree, I wonder if this is the right time to be shaking the bees nest.

Publicly at least...
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I think it's the perfect time, and I doubt the decision to use his pulpit to voice this was made alone. Right now is the perfect time to make sure everyone is on the right page, especially an OC that seems to lose focus of our identity. I think putting the spotlight on Cam a bit right before we need to get hot is perfect. Everyone has bad games, but Cam seems to lose his damned mind sometimes. I love the timing of this. It wasn't disrespectful, but I bet it got the attention of the brass. I still think the pressure is on Cam in the playoffs, and a little reminder every once in a while doesn't hurt. The enormity of this game for us is tremendous, and in my mind, the playoffs start for us this Sunday. We NEED home field for as long as we can get it, and anyone disagreeing with that is sadly mistaken IMO.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325189171' post='926230']
Well, this should answer it )

[img]http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad25/brmacdon/joeswrist.jpg[/img]
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I knew it!

[The Raven]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1325186684' post='926181']
I think Harbs is doing what any good boss should do. Not throwing his men under the bus publicly.

Keep in mind in interviews and press conferences they really owe us nothing.
They can lie through their teeth if they want to. They owe us nothing.

I will bet my bottom dollar Harbs has had more than a few "get your crap together " conversations with Cam behind closed doors.

Maybe Cam is ignoring him, maybe they reached a compromise, maybe Harbs is giving him the benefit of the doubt. I dont know.

I know I wouldnt want my boss airing my dirty laundry for the world to see. (even though in this place its quite obvious. )
[/quote]

Oh no you didn't! You know that you're not supposed to suggest things that make sense around here. Everybody knows that if a coach doesn't publicly throw his coaches and players under the bus he isn't being accountable for the team.

No. He's just being professional. Deal with it fellas (you know who you are!)

[AsianRice]

Way to go Joe! for speaking our minds......

It's getting cliche discussing how bad Cam calls playcallings. He needs to go after this season for sure and regardless.

From now on, Cam you're better giving Joe's the freedom on playcallings cuz in playoffs or this Sunday anything can happen, even we're up by 30pts and the team still can come back. You're better attacking in every phases of the football. Nothing is guaranteed in football unless 60min runs out.

Here is the plan Cam:

1) Do not fix something that is not broken like if Joe is hot that day, let him go crazy on the passing game and if Rice is running through the Bengals, let him kill them.
2) If the Bengals are down cuz we're up by 2 scores, you're better finishing them off by kicking them off the cliff while they're hanging free, not by giving them the robe for the god's sake. So we will try to keep scoring on them until they can stop us.
3) Let Joe shaking the Bengals' defense up by going no hurdle offense. Even better, you need to encourage him doing that or you will lose your job and Harbs won't save you for the sacrifice of his HC job.
Final thoughts: Let your offense loose like playing up to their strengh; you can talk to Pagano on how to playing up to our players' strength.

[atlravensfan]

If Joe got the money that he will get eventually Im telling you that those comments wouldn't have came with a smile.I keep saying it and I will stick by it lol. Drees, brady, manning(both) Dufusburger etc those are audibles and a fu to the play call. Joes a big arm guy and has great accuracy 15 to 25yd range.

[cursona pirate]

Unleash the Flacco! lol

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1325188867' post='926226']

Dalton has certainly exceeded expectations but A.J. Green is special. From the moment he was drafted, he was already one of the most dynamic WRs in the game. The same goes Julio Jones. And opposite both those rookie WRs Torrey has made some acrobatic grabs this season and he should only get better, but there are certain things those two can do that he simply can't.

As for the end arounds, as much we bash Cam for them, every team in the league runs them. The Steelers routinely give Mike Wallace hand-offs that way. The Falcons do the same with Julio. Just last week, Green got his fifth carry of the season on an end around.

But I definitely agree Cam's play-calling is an issue too often and at critical times.
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I don't disagree about end arounds being common around the league but when a receiver sees more of the ball that way than he does via receptions (Stallworth last year) then we have a problem.

[BabydollFlacco5]

Im proud of Joe for saying what he did. and I keep hearing people say ~ Give the ball to our best player .. Ray rice. Yeah Yeah Yeah ... Ray is Great .. and Im all for getting him the ball as much as possible .. But u cant forget about delveloping the rest of the offense too ! Look in that 2nd half of the cle game for example .. how many times in that game did i see ray running into the back of our guys oor going down for a loss, no gain or just a yd or 2. well .. that can be the same as a dropped pass or a pass too high. Its comes down to play calling and execution. I am soo sick of us letting up after halftime .. Seems like we start our fast and everything is going great in the run game and passing game in the 1st half .. then after halftime when we have a lead .. its always - play conservative .. then Joe and our Wr's get outta synch and it allows other teams to catch back up cuz our defense tires out. I think Balance is GREAT .. But its was our passing game that won us the game in Pitt and at home vs Ari. and if u look at the game last week .. its was our passing game that actually won us the game. Cam is way too predictable. In the 2nd half vs CLE it was almost always .. Run Run Pass .. then the pass would be dropped or a lil high. Our offense looks good in the hurry up .. but we rarely seem to use it .. unless we are down by a bunch or need a last second drive.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325193710' post='926278']

Oh no you didn't! You know that you're not supposed to suggest things that make sense around here. Everybody knows that if a coach doesn't publicly throw his coaches and players under the bus he isn't being accountable for the team.

No. He's just being professional. Deal with it fellas (you know who you are!)
[/quote]

My bad.
I wont do it any more...

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1325133490' post='925656']
[left]“I wish you guys would help me out a little bit and start complaining a little bit that we play a little too conservative and put pressure on our coaches to not do that.”[/left]

Well played, Joe.
[/quote]
That's a pretty ballsy thing to say for a guy deemed "soft" and "emotionless" by the public.

[Grapple Raven]

Update: Cam's response to Flacco's Wednesday Presser on Being Conservative

Well there it is out of Cam's own mouth... [url="http://www.csnbaltimore.com/video"]http://www.csnbaltimore.com/video[/url]# Video: Flacco and Cam Discuss Conservative Play Calling 12/29

Scroll down to "Top Videos" and click on Flacco and Cam Discuss Conservative Play Calling 12/29

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Grapple Raven' timestamp='1325203593' post='926418']
Update:  Cam's response to Flacco's Wednesday Presser on Being Conservative

Well there it is out of Cam's own mouth...   [url="http://www.csnbaltimore.com/video"]http://www.csnbaltimore.com/video[/url]#   Video: Flacco and Cam Discuss Conservative Play Calling 12/29

Scroll down to "Top Videos" and click on Flacco and Cam Discuss Conservative Play Calling 12/29
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"Pancake social"? This isn't a joke, Cam. Joe is right and was correct in what he said. That did nothing to Cam and it more or less went in one ear and out the other, guaranteed!!

[K-Dog]

the pancake social line is pretty dang funny, you have got to admit.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1325205242' post='926442']
the pancake social like is pretty dang funny, you have got to admit.
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It's be hilarious if we were a top 5 offense ...I hear ya, though

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1325205242' post='926442']
the pancake social line is pretty dang funny, you have got to admit.
[/quote]

If Yanda is out , I'm worried that Joe will be guest of honor of a Cincy "pancake social".

Cincy is third in sacks , behind only Philly and the Ravens.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1325209640' post='926487']

If Yanda is out , I'm worried that Joe will be guest of honor of a Cincy "pancake social".

[b]Cincy is third in sacks , behind only Philly and the Ravens.[/b]
[/quote]

Yep. Geno Atkins is a beast and Carlos Dunlap will likely suit up. Both guys are going to give the o-line problems, even if Yanda suits up.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Grapple Raven' timestamp='1325203593' post='926418']
Update: Cam's response to Flacco's Wednesday Presser on Being Conservative

[u][b]Well there it is out of Cam's own mouth[/b][/u]... [url="http://www.csnbaltimore.com/video"]http://www.csnbaltimore.com/video[/url]# Video: Flacco and Cam Discuss Conservative Play Calling 12/29

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[/quote]

pure b.s. is what you call on the field Cam! you are waaaaay to conservative. we fans know it, the team knows it, the coach knows it, you know it...and...FINALLY...Joe Flacco not only knows it...but he also had the.....to say something about it! thanks Joe for exposing this tool!

~Mili