"bout Time Somebody Said It..."

[1bodaciousraven]

Harbaugh is an Incredibly spineless coach, god only knows what we could do with a HC like Tomlin.
I just caught a peek of sound fx on NFL network where Tomlin gets in his players faces and tells them what's what, I believe even Harrison. The guy just reeks of being in control.

[The Raven]

[quote name='1bodaciousraven' timestamp='1325144111' post='925768']
Harbaugh is an Incredibly spineless coach, god only knows what we could do with a HC like Tomlin.
I just caught a peek of sound fx on NFL network where Tomlin gets in his players faces and tells them what's what, I believe even Harrison. The guy just reeks of being in control.
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Even though this is the same coach who was reported letting players sit or lay down, take as many water breaks as they chose to, etc... during training camp

Some control.

Not to mention Harbaugh's reputation as "Hardball"

[Mahatma_Sloth]

look at you all just licking your chops over this juicy morsel of a quote too bad you got the intention behind it incorrect using what i like to call the "media corps method" when a quote is manipulated to fit ones perspective. the full quote to me seems like a critique on media coverage and how they are never pleased. if flacco is criticizing anyone its special teams maybe the d slightly. in the meat of the quote Flacco just shows he wants to take control, correct mistakes, and blow people out with his arm. which is alright with me

the full answer to the question is: " we didn't come out and play the way we wanted to obviously. [color=#800080][b]I think there's been games this year where we came out and thrown the ball because we've been down a lot and you guys have all complained about it[/b][/color] and now this week we came out and honestly played conservative and [color=#800080][b]when we didn't we missed a couple plays there was a drop or a miss throw here so I wish you guys woulda helped me out a little bit here and start complaining[/b][/color] a little bit that we were playing a little too conservatively and put pressure on our coaches to not do that. we're getting better each week and we got a lot of talent just a matter of going out there and executing plays and doing it for a full sixty minutes i think if we do that we will be happy [color=#800080][b]we cant let teams back in games it helps those guys out when they get a special teams return for a touchdown and just like that they could be back in the game with one offensive drive if we play as a team and stopped those things we woulda ran away with that game a little better[/b][/color]"

i guess its just a matter of perspective really.....

and the haters abound around me. unsheathe thy forked tongues, drench me in your venom.
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nGiZZSSXqg&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nGiZZSSXqg&feature=related[/url]

lol jk

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='RivenHale' timestamp='1325135044' post='925677']
Joe Flacco is absolutely the personification of cool. I feel like, if I ever meet him, he will insist that I give him my lunch money.

And good for you, Joe. I don't know that NOW is the best time to be shaking the boat, as some of the other posters said, but I know the boat needs to be shaken. So now it's time to sink or swim with Joe Cool, to drag this tortured metaphor to an overdue end.
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Joe is a character. At the practice at M&T he was signing autographs after the practice and somebody asked him how married life was. His response: "Eh, its okay I guess." LOL

He has a sense of humor and it's great to see him start to break out of the shell he's been hiding in for the last 4 years.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='1bodaciousraven' timestamp='1325144111' post='925768']
Harbaugh is an Incredibly spineless coach, god only knows what we could do with a HC like Tomlin.
I just caught a peek of sound fx on NFL network where Tomlin gets in his players faces and tells them what's what, I believe even Harrison. The guy just reeks of being in control.
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Exactly. The man led his team into the lion's den week 1 and got DESTROYED. He was flat-out out coached and out prepared by Harbs. On top of that, questionable decision making by Tomlin has cost the Steelers two losses to the Ravens (in their house) these last two seasons.

I'd take Harbs over Tomlin any day of the week.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1325142762' post='925761']
I actually appreciate what Cam's done for the team. He's good for rebuilding mediocre offenses. He just can't take them to the next level.

That's not a knock on Cam; many offensive coordinators fall into this mold. Rather, it's just a sign that the team has outgrown him. The only possible way Cam gets a one-year reprieve is if the offense dominates the competition throughout the postseason en route to a Super Bowl victory.
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Spot on.

[reediddy]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1325133134' post='925653']lol I said earlier about one of Harbs pressers that he takes every chance to shove Cam in the faces of the media and the fans. "Cam did a great job" "I want to point out what a great job all our coaches did, especially Cam" "No it wasn't the playcalling, it was the drops." Yeah, he won't call out Cam but he has no issue throwing a player or two under the bus. And I got negged for it lmbo. Good for you, Joe. You keep on fighting for that control. Hopefully, the FO will see the real issue after this season and all of Harbs candy coating won't save Cam's job for him yet again.[/quote]

I agree and I strongly dislike that Harbaugh is taking that approach. Both are obviously big issues that caused us on some drives but you have to work to keep your players' morale up as a head coach and that's really not happening with that statement. It's obvious we went conservative with run, run, pass incomplete, punt for the entire second half, take control like a head coach should do and rectify that situation.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Well hmmmm lets see Flacco played well the first half and then all of sudden sucked the second half, what changed? " Logic" would tell us it was playcalling that changed! Im glad hes making it public, puts pressure on Cam now ( I guess more pressure?).

[K-Dog]

Its totally unrealistic to think Cam is going to be let go prior to the end of the season.
No way. Never going to happen.
( after the season I think fairly likely )

So, whats the worst that can happen if Joe takes a coupla chances here and there? Assuming he has the right personel on the field. Call a play he likes.
Cam stops him and calls a time out. Gives Joe the what for. Joe goes back on the field calles same play.
If it works, he has made his point ( to every one but Cam ) but made his point none the less.

So the worst that can happen ( assuming success ) is listening to Cam gripe and yell?
Is there REALLY a chance Joe could be benched for overriding Cams calls?

I dobt it....

[CorvusCorax]

At this point Joe just needs to step up and start calling his own plays. Let Cam yell at him.

[arnie_uk]

Tbh I thought it was joke... But its what he really thinks, even though he didn't say it like that.

[Militant X 1]

thanks Joe! because you have only confirmed what myself and many others here have been saying all season long! and that is that Cam has you and our potentially explosive offense handcuffed with his piss-poor and b.s. playcalling! and...here is another part of that article that pisses me off a well:

On Monday, [i]Ravens coach [u][b]John Harbaugh disputed the notion that offensive coordinator Cam Cameron, who calls the plays, eased up in the second half[/b][/u], pointing out that three dropped passes[/i], two by tight end Ed Dickson, curtailed drives. “[u][b][i]The biggest issue in the second, obviously, was the drops[/i][/b][/u],” Harbaugh said. “If we catch the ball … those drives are going to be extended and we’re not going to be punting … It’s pretty simple what happened in the second half, I think.”

sooo, your starting QB said that the playcalling was conservative in the second half but you Coach...."disputed" that by saying that it was the drops? unbelievable! smh!

~Mili

[Twistidfunk]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1325164364' post='925812']
Its totally unrealistic to think Cam is going to be let go prior to the end of the season.
No way. Never going to happen.
( after the season I think fairly likely )

So, whats the worst that can happen if Joe takes a coupla chances here and there? Assuming he has the right personel on the field. Call a play he likes.
Cam stops him and calls a time out. Gives Joe the what for. Joe goes back on the field calles same play.
If it works, he has made his point ( to every one but Cam ) but made his point none the less.

So the worst that can happen ( assuming success ) is listening to Cam gripe and yell?
Is there REALLY a chance Joe could be benched for overriding Cams calls?

I dobt it....
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This is the thing. If Joe wants to stop playing conservative then do it man! When I played football we "forgot" plays or "heard wrong plays" here and there based on what we felt at that point in the game.

Joe is the QB and needs to start taking control and over riding Cam.

[arnie_uk]

I would love to see harbugh get his....out of cams... just once and call him out, it would be the wake up call he needs

[jdynamite]

Sadly when I read that article what stuck out to me, was John Harbaugh still creating excuses and still supporting Cam ( shoulda been Canned a year ago. ) Cameron. I know as a head coach he wants to keep the integrity of the looker room together, however at some point he needs to admit when Cameron's play calling is suspect. Even after the 5 carry Seattle game Harbaugh was quick to support Cam saying the 5 Carries for Rice and 12 or 13 total runs were justified based upon the game.
It just seems like Harbaugh will always deflect any Cam criticism.
I think our offense will remain inconsistent as long as Cam is the Co-ordinator. ( If Mattison didn't go to Michigan he would probably still be calling our No Sack defense ).
I hope upper management makes a change this offseason!!!

[jdynamite]

Even when the offense is running a hurry up,
Cam when still be calling plays slowing up the offense to point of the offense not being a "true hurry up".
Every week the team gets a first down, then getting in and out of the huddle everyone looks confused, dumbfounded, and disgusted because Cam gets the play in late, and they blow a Timeout. Basically Cam Cameron micromanages this offense to the point of Failure...

[Moderator 3]

I would take this a lot more seriously if Joe wasn't laughing the whole time he was saying that. I think this was just a "Give 'em something to talk about" moment, nothing more.

[Ravenslifer]

Truthfully, Harbs really needs to grow a spine at some point and flat out say "Yes, the playcalling wasn't good, and we need to work on that". That's not throwing anyone under, John, it's acknowledging what everyone else can see - that, many times, the talent on this team is being wasted because of bad playcalling. Look to your defense, look at what they did last year. How many leads did they give up with Mattison in charge? And now with Pags, the scheme is better and the only game where we didn't have an answer was San Diego. And you are unwilling to admit that, maybe, possibly, the offensive issues have a lot to do with the scheme? So now calling 8 running plays for one of the best backs in the league is par for the course? Come on man, stand behind your team. The majority of them will be here next year, while your coordinator may not.

[CapoRocky]

We have been posting about Cameron since last year. He never seems to change. What ever happened to Flacco calling his own plays and changing plays at the line of scrimmage? I thought that Cameron was "on the hot seat" or something this year. It seems like the same old Billick-type offense to me. Sometimes, I can predict what we are going to do in a given situation. If I can do it after a few drinks, then I'm sure that the professionals on the other team can too. There were times that bad calls and dropped balls cost us, but mainly we need to find a way to beat high-powered offenses or we'll be all screaming for Cameron's head after the season is over.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

I like Harbs but hes starting to get annoying! obviously there was something wrong with the playcalling last year, if not he wouldnt of said he was going to have more input on the O. And if it so happens to be he is helping with the playcalling, then we have a problem..

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1325170138' post='925861']
[u][b]I would take this a lot more seriously if Joe wasn't laughing the whole time he was saying t[/b][/u]hat. I think this was just a "Give 'em something to talk about" moment, nothing more.
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many truths are spoken in jest!

imo...this was more than just a "give'em something to talk about" moment M3. lol!

~Mili

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1325170346' post='925863']
We have been posting about Cameron since last year. He never seems to change. What ever happened to Flacco calling his own plays and changing plays at the line of scrimmage? I thought that Cameron was "on the hot seat" or something this year. It seems like the same old Billick-type offense to me. Sometimes, I can predict what we are going to do in a given situation. If I can do it after a few drinks, then I'm sure that the professionals on the other team can too. There were times that bad calls and dropped balls cost us, but mainly we need to find a way to beat high-powered offenses or we'll be all screaming for Cameron's head after the season is over.
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I have to be honest. Cam is good at developing young QBs. However, he just never seems to realize that there is a time to let go and let them have the control. We've outgrown Cam, period. I don't care if we bring home the Lombardi this season. If we ever want to see a consistent and productive offense going forward, Cam has to go.

[True]

Oh man Harbs isn't going to be happy with Joe about this one lol.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1325176262' post='925957']
Oh man Harbs isn't going to be happy with Joe about this one lol.
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I was thinking that as well. Not sure the FO will allow him to put the starting QB in the doghouse though lol

[Marc2k6]

I do know but I do know that this is the 4th different set of WR's in 4 years and we are still hearing the the Wr's are not get open or getting seperation. The constant being Cam & Flacco. Who is the cause?

[flynismo]

[quote name='Marc2k6' timestamp='1325183222' post='926102']
I do know but I do know that this is the 4th different set of WR's in 4 years and we are still hearing the the Wr's are not get open or getting seperation. The constant being Cam & Flacco. Who is the cause?
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Look at the recievers:

Mason, who was our only guy who could get open with consistency (and last year, he really hit the wall).
Clayton, who was Clayton, no need to explain.
Boldin, who has been called out publicly by Rodney Harrison and Michael Irvin for not getting open.
Torrey Smith, who has been inconsistent, which is to be expected from a rookie.

Those guys have been our starters since Flacco has been here.

If we must blame either Cam or Flacco for the lack of seperation, I have no clue how a QB could affect a wr ability to get open, so by default it has to be Cam (since he is the guy after all who sends Boldin and Mason on streaks)

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1325183577' post='926108']

Look at the recievers:

Mason, who was our only guy who could get open with consistency (and last year, he really hit the wall).
Clayton, who was Clayton, no need to explain.
Boldin, who has been called out publicly by Rodney Harrison and Michael Irvin for not getting open.
Torrey Smith, who has been inconsistent, which is to be expected from a rookie.

Those guys have been our starters since Flacco has been here.

If we must blame either Cam or Flacco for the lack of seperation, I have no clue how a QB could affect a wr ability to get open, so by default [u][b]it has to be Cam (since he is the guy after all who sends Boldin and Mason on streaks)[/b][/u]
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which makes no sense whatsoever!

~Mili

[flynismo]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1325185413' post='926150']

which makes no sense whatsoever!

~Mili
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yuck..lets not even get started on that..Cam is satan

[K-Dog]

I think Harbs is doing what any good boss should do. Not throwing his men under the bus publicly.

Keep in mind in interviews and press conferences they really owe us nothing.
They can lie through their teeth if they want to. They owe us nothing.

I will bet my bottom dollar Harbs has had more than a few "get your crap together " conversations with Cam behind closed doors.

Maybe Cam is ignoring him, maybe they reached a compromise, maybe Harbs is giving him the benefit of the doubt. I dont know.

I know I wouldnt want my boss airing my dirty laundry for the world to see. (even though in this place its quite obvious. )

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1325185715' post='926156']


yuck..lets not even get started on that..[u][b]Cam is satan[/b][/u]
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the Ravens need to perform an exorcism.

~Mili