Has Anyone Else Noticed This About Suggs?

[raylewismvp]

I love suggs I really do I love seeing him make a sack then doing some ridiculous dance after or something, but have you noticed one day he'll show up make 3 sacks then the next day you wonder if he's hurt because you haven't heard from him? Do you think he'll show up big here at the end of the year? I personally think he'll carry the defense. Lets hear your thoughts!

[Jarvis Pittman]

[quote name='raylewismvp' timestamp='1325100160' post='925240']
I love suggs I really do I love seeing him make a sack then doing some ridiculous dance after or something, but have you noticed one day he'll show up make 3 sacks then the next day you wonder if he's hurt because you haven't heard from him? Do you think he'll show up big here at the end of the year? I personally think he'll carry the defense. Lets hear your thoughts!
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Offenses find different ways to attack Suggs. Teams that don't double him or chip him at the line are the teams that he plays his best.

[1/28/01]

Yeah, its not a secret. Its being discussed in the upcoming game thread and here - http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/44000-suggs-on-probowl/page__pid__925219__st__20#entry925219

[BigDaddyK]

I really think when Suggs pumps himself up then its lights out. It takes a good hit to start fueling his fire.

[The Raven]

I've noticed it, and it makes me angry. How do you get 3 sacks against the 49ers who have a solid Joe Staley, but then get none against the Seahawks, for example?

[Bullrush]

They chip him on every down, it's not even funny. He can't go after the QB from the outside the way they gameplan around him, with how much attention he's getting. Unless teams stop doing that he can still do a lot of damage with those stunt blitzes. We destroyed the 49ers that way.

@The Raven
The 49ers didn't chip him on every down, and Suggs didn't get all 3 sacks by being an edge rusher, it was more those stunt blitzes where after the snap he rushed through the middle after lining up outside, Ngata then rushed from the outside and so on. Suggs isn't playing any worse or different, it's just that he's getting too much attention right now.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1325102510' post='925274']
They chip him on every down, it's not even funny. He can't go after the QB from the outside the way they gameplan around him, with how much attention he's getting. Unless teams stop doing that he can still do a lot of damage with those stunt blitzes. We destroyed the 49ers that way.

@The Raven
The 49ers didn't chip him on every down, and Suggs didn't get all 3 sacks by being an edge rusher, it was more those stunt blitzes where after the snap he rushed through the middle after lining up outside, Ngata then rushed from the outside and so on. Suggs isn't playing any worse or different, it's just that he's getting too much attention right now.
[/quote]

I was at the game, they chipped him a ton. And all season, I've seen times where the offense leaves him one on one with the tackle, and the tackle wins. I've been to the games, I've seen what happens.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325104453' post='925305']

I was at the game, they chipped him a ton. And all season, I've seen times where the offense leaves him one on one with the tackle, and the tackle wins. I've been to the games, I've seen what happens.
[/quote]

To be fair, a tackle should usually win. So you'd really have to look at the overall game.

On a side note: Suggs talks a little too much for my liking. I'd like him to chill out with all the melodramatic stuff like saying it's Armageddon every time we play the Steelers.

[The Raven]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1325104589' post='925308']

To be fair, a tackle should usually win. So you'd really have to look at the overall game.
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I did look at the overall game, and the tackle usually won.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325104682' post='925310']

I did look at the overall game, and the tackle usually won.
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Well you said you had seen times when the tackle wins, which is to be expected. It's more of a relative thing, like how often does he win relative to other pass rushers. Most of the time a rusher is not going to beat the tackle straight up, even on their best day, because that's just the nature of pass rushing.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325104453' post='925305']

I was at the game, they chipped him a ton. And all season, I've seen times where the offense leaves him one on one with the tackle, and the tackle wins. I've been to the games, I've seen what happens.
[/quote]
And you want him to win every 1 on 1 battle? Is that realistic? There's only a couple of guys in the entire league that have more QB hits than Suggs does, and those guys are pure pass rushers. Not sure what you're expecting from Suggs. He's not a machine. He will get blocked at times, of course. Even Michael Strahan was when he put up those 22 sacks that one season. If it was that easy getting to the QB the record would stand at 500 not at 22.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1325109763' post='925374']
And you want him to win every 1 on 1 battle? Is that realistic? There's only a couple of guys in the entire league that have more QB hits than Suggs does, and those guys are pure pass rushers. Not sure what you're expecting from Suggs. He's not a machine. He will get blocked at times, of course. Even Michael Strahan was when he put up those 22 sacks that one season. If it was that easy getting to the QB the record would stand at 500 not at 22.
[/quote]

No, I don't, and your completely miscontruing what I said. Completely.

There have been entire games where he doesn't get pressure. Call me a blasphemer, but I just call it as I see it. He disappeared against Tennessee, Seattle, Cincy etc. Completely disappeared those games.

9 of his 13 sacks have come in 3 games. That's almost 70%. The other 4 came against Saint Louis, Jax, Arizona, and Cleveland.

To put it another way, he has more games in which he doesn't have a sack than he has games in which he does have a sack. 8 games without, 7 games with.


Since you mention his QB hits, can you show me the stats from [u][i][b]this[/b][/i][/u] year that prove that?

I love Suggs, but his pass rushing is very sporadic.

[hawkprey]

The secret you're all missing is Haloti Ngata. Whenever Suggs "disappeared" this year, it's been when Ngata was injured and didn't require double-teaming. To start the year he was on a tear and Ngata was healthy. Then there was a few game dropoff when Ngata had that weird thing in his leg that he was playing through. Remember the Colts game? Ngata recovered from his thigh injury by then, only to hurt his back later. Not surprisingly, Suggs' sacks went down after that.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325112103' post='925409']

No, I don't, and your completely miscontruing what I said. Completely.

There have been entire games where he doesn't get pressure. Call me a blasphemer, but I just call it as I see it. He disappeared against Tennessee, Seattle, Cincy etc. Completely disappeared those games.

9 of his 13 sacks have come in 3 games. That's almost 70%. The other 4 came against Saint Louis, Jax, Arizona, and Cleveland.

To put it another way, he has more games in which he doesn't have a sack than he has games in which he does have a sack. 8 games without, 7 games with.

Since you mention his QB hits, can you show me the stats from [u][i][b]this[/b][/i][/u] year that prove that?

I love Suggs, but his pass rushing is very sporadic.
[/quote]

Suggs grabbed an INT against the Titans and also dropped another.

I know for a fact he landed a hit on Rivers in the Chargers game. One of the radio crew mentioned it and [url="http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/12/23/three-to-focus-on-browns-ravens-week-16/"]PFF credited him with one[/url] as well.

Against the Bengals, he was able to hurry Dalton which led to Pollard's sack despite coming on a delayed blitz. And even though the play ended with a 43-yard gain, Suggs pressured Dalton with around 1:30 left in the game.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325112103' post='925409']

No, I don't, and your completely miscontruing what I said. Completely.

There have been entire games where he doesn't get pressure. Call me a blasphemer, but I just call it as I see it. He disappeared against Tennessee, Seattle, Cincy etc. Completely disappeared those games.

9 of his 13 sacks have come in 3 games. That's almost 70%. The other 4 came against Saint Louis, Jax, Arizona, and Cleveland.

To put it another way, he has more games in which he doesn't have a sack than he has games in which he does have a sack. 8 games without, 7 games with.


Since you mention his QB hits, can you show me the stats from [u][i][b]this[/b][/i][/u] year that prove that?

I love Suggs, but his pass rushing is very sporadic.
[/quote]
Go check out the NFL gamebooks if you need proof, I'm not gonna do the work for you. You're claiming his pass rush is sporadic yet you don't even know how many times he's gotten to the QB compared to the rest of the NFL?

And it doesn't matter that he's got 9 sacks in 3 games. You act like sack numbers tell the whole story whether somebody gets to the QB or not. Again, only a couple guys in the entire league have gotten to the QB more often than Suggs has. Suggs is getting to the QB on a consistent basis, it's just that a lot of times he's not getting the sacks. And that's apparently the only thing you're looking at when judging pass rushers and I don't agree with that, at all.

Sacks come in bunches, that's the case with Suggs. I'd rather have him record 3 sacks per game and help us win those games instead of splitting his sack numbers up over a season with 1 sack per game, which would not make him a big factor in those games.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1325112965' post='925425']

Suggs grabbed an INT against the Titans and also dropped another.

I know for a fact he landed a hit on Rivers in the Chargers game. One of the radio crew mentioned it and [url="http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/12/23/three-to-focus-on-browns-ravens-week-16/"]PFF credited him with one[/url] as well.

Against the Bengals, he was able to hurry Dalton which led to Pollard's sack despite coming on a delayed blitz. And even though the play ended with a 43-yard gain, Suggs pressured Dalton with around 1:30 left in the game.
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Right. He had a QB hit vs Cincy and Tennessee. Tennessee threw a lot of quick slants and ran short routes only, Hasselbeck also got rid of the ball so quick it was impossible to get close to him. Plus Suggs went against Michael Roos who is one of the elite tackles in the game in terms of pass blocking. Cincy also has one of the elite pass blockers in the game in Whithworth, nobody just beats those guys up. The Chargers have Gaither, he's up in that group, he has yet to allow a sack or a QB hit even though the Chargers throw the ball all day. Suggs had a QB hit vs the Chargers but apparently that wasn't on Gaither. He also had a QB hit vs the Browns. Who plays LT for the Browns? Some guy named Joe Thomas, easily the best tackle in the game I think. And he's facing him twice.

So let's put it all in perspective. Suggs doesn't suck when he's not getting any sacks. He still gets pressure, a lot of times he's just facing the best pass blockers in the league, he's getting chipped, double teamed, and on top of that he doesn't have anybody on the other side to take some pressure off of him (Miller has Dumervil, Ware has Spencer, Harrison has Woodley, and so on).

[chesapeakeaviator]

Still has more INTs than many (most?) corners in the league. As a LB, I don't expect 20+ sacks a year. He--and the whole D--are so much better when Ngata occupies two linemen. No RB in football can pick up Sizzle.

[flynismo]

Blasphemers! Just because the stat line says he did not record a sack does not mean he is not creating pressure!

Suggs' pressure (but no sack credited) has caused two turnover -- that I can think of, maybe more -- and some hurried throws.

And just the very fact that he draws so much attention has helped guys like Kruger and McPhee emerge.

Leave my man crush alone!

[PurpleReign92]

I think Ted Monochino coached him well... Shaped him into the edge rusher we needed backing up the d-line and relieving pressure off the other side...

[D_UP]

That's why we need two edge rushers to prevent teams from just focusing on Suggs. Kruger is coming along but hasn't cracked starting line up yet. Getting sacks isn't easy anyway but when your like Suggs and pretty much the pass rusher for the defense it's even more difficult. It's a credit to him that he has the sacks that he has now.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325101840' post='925261']
I've noticed it, and it makes me angry. How do you get 3 sacks against the 49ers who have a solid Joe Staley, but then get none against the Seahawks, for example?
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It's all situational. Don't forget, the Seahawks game, Suggs had hurt his knee beforehand. He said he was fine, but sitting at the game and watching him on the sideline, I saw a little gimpiness.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

There's nothing wrong with Suggs that a healthy Ngata wouldn't cure. When Suggs gets double teamed, the others have to pick up the slack. Haloti is apparently slowed down a lot with the deep thigh bruise. It was good to see the Ravens get to the QB last week with just a three man rush on one play.

[Militant X 1]

Suggs will be in beast-terror mode on Sunday! but not ony him but the entire defense AND our offense will be clicking on all cylinders. i expect a decisive win for the Ravens on Sunday.

~Mili

[CapoRocky]

They all know that there is a lot on the line in Cinn-city. We must make a statement with our defense. There is no room for errors. The key to victory is to keep pressure on Dalton.

[The Raven]

I mean, I'm not hating on him at all. He's my favorite Ravens defender. I'm just not a fan of how sporadic his passrushing is, not just his sack numbers, but his pass rushing as a whole.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

This game will have all the drama of a Shakespearean play. For both teams, the question will be "To be, or Not to be?" When the dust has cleared, the Ravens will be the AFC North Champions. While Jerome Simpson's acrobatic touchdown against the Cards last week was impressive, I think he would be wise not to attempt it against Ed Reed or Bernard Pollard. I am surprised that his coaches would permit him to do it in a game and risk injury. It was definitely a hot dog move.