Ray Lewis Gets "Picked On" In Coverage?

[Terrellb2007]

[quote name='JohnnyBoy8102' timestamp='1325470494' post='930921']


What did San Diego do? Gates had just 2 catches that game. The big pass plays were all downfield to Floyd or Jackson in that game.
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San Diego motioned causing Ray Lewis to cover man on man a few times that game to open up the middle of the field for quick passes on slants opening up the deep ball to the receivers. Lewis couldnt play zone at that point

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Terrellb2007' timestamp='1325470797' post='930940']
San Diego motioned causing Ray Lewis to cover man on man a few times that game to open up the middle of the field for quick passes on slants opening up the deep ball to the receivers. Lewis couldnt play zone at that point
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"...deep ball to the receivers". Thats on the DB's and is quite obvious!

[Terrellb2007]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325470744' post='930932']

I think there was just a wee bit of sarcasm in his post. Hes a huge Ray advocate!
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10-4 I thought he was serious. I am as well. Lol

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325470744' post='930932']
I think there was just a wee bit of sarcasm in his post. Hes a huge Ray advocate!
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True, I like Ray. But the bigger thing is that I get annoyed when just one play or two (good or bad) are isolated to judge any player.

I like to crunch the numbers and state the facts. Last time I checked you don't get any style points, so Ray "looking slow" out there doesn't mean much to me when the bottom line numbers are what they are.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='Terrellb2007' timestamp='1325470797' post='930940']
San Diego motioned causing Ray Lewis to cover man on man a few times that game to open up the middle of the field for quick passes on slants opening up the deep ball to the receivers. Lewis couldnt play zone at that point
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So Ray being in man coverage due to the scheme is to blame when passes to other players are completed?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='JohnnyBoy8102' timestamp='1325470915' post='930946']

True, I like Ray. But the bigger thing is that I get annoyed when just one play or two (good or bad) are isolated to judge any player.

I like to crunch the numbers and state the facts. Last time I checked you don't get any style points, so Ray "looking slow" out there doesn't mean much to me when the bottom line numbers are what they are.
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Oh, I know...You're an educated and informed advocate. There ya go

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325471094' post='930957']
Oh, I know...You're an educated and informed advocate. There ya go [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img]
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Thanks man. lol

[Terrellb2007]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325470865' post='930944']

"...deep ball to the receivers". Thats on the DB's and is quite obvious!
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Exactly it is on the DBs but if u take Ray out the middle and run the ballas well as run slants thats makes the safeties cheat up for a deep pass tbats all im saying. Its not Lewis fault but its a tactic to keep Lewis out of zone coverage where he would usually tip passes, int, or clean a WR clock because QBs definitely arent throwing deep midfield with the Jeeper Creeper #20 roaming

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='Terrellb2007' timestamp='1325471168' post='930959']
Exactly it is on the DBs but if u take Ray out the middle and run the ballas well as run slants thats makes the safeties cheat up for a deep pass tbats all im saying. Its not Lewis fault but its a tactic to keep Lewis out of zone coverage where he would usually tip passes, int, or clean a WR clock because QBs definitely arent throwing deep midfield with the Jeeper Creeper #20 roaming
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Ok. I understand you now. My bad.

Rivers and Co. where just a hot team the past month or so. The last 2 games the opposition is averaging 296 total yards and 11.5 ppg.

When those type of numbers were being put up by the D when Ray was out, vs the likes of the Browns/49ers/Colts Offenses, posters where boasting about how incredible the Defense was playing.

Those numbers are put up the past 2 games and suddenly it isn't good enough and Ray is "terrible".

[Terrellb2007]

[quote name='JohnnyBoy8102' timestamp='1325471396' post='930971']


Ok. I understand you now. My bad.

Rivers and Co. where just a hot team the past month or so. The last 2 games the opposition is averaging 296 total yards and 11.5 ppg.

When those type of numbers were being put up by the D when Ray was out, vs the likes of the Browns/49ers/Colts Offenses, posters where boasting about how incredible the Defense was playing.

Those numbers are put up the past 2 games and suddenly it isn't good enough and Ray is "terrible".
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Yea dont get me wrong I think we will continue to be good w/ the type of drafting oz and co. are doing with the mix of young and vet players when Ray officially retires. Hopefully he coaches here, but ppl are saying that because hes lost a step here and there with his age but hes still great and I wouldnt trade him for another MLB in the Nfl even at his age. The knowledge, athleticism, and passion to carry the team for all these seasons is why its so easy go coach, and recruit players he as well as others on our D are already legends. We also do a good job of helping mold players and coaches that help other teams out as well. Lol im proud to be a Ravens fan because its weird how almost every player or coach that leaves our team always gets a job elsewhere. Lol

[JohnnyBoy8102]

According to Pro Football Focus Ray was:

4/6, 44 Yards, 12 YAC, 1 PD yesterday. They gave him a positive Coverage Grade of +0.8.

Ray ends the regular season with:

23/33, 69.7%, 273 Yards, 131 YAC, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 7 PDs, 82.0 QB Rating. He was given a +3.5 in Pass Coverage for the season in 379 Pass Coverage snaps.

[52Kia Kaha92]

you guys need to take of the purple glasses if you think ray is good in pass coverage..like i said before i love him, but he is a liability.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1325540432' post='932200']
you guys need to take of the purple glasses if you think ray is good in pass coverage..like i said before i love him, but he is a liability.
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well then what do you propose we do to fix this? pull him out for who? McClain is already on the field unless BA is, Ellebe and McClain? BA and McClain?

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1325540432' post='932200']
you guys need to take of the purple glasses if you think ray is good in pass coverage..like i said before i love him, but he is a liability.
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I am just posting the facts to avoid any uneducated opinions like the one you posted.

[The Raven]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1325540432' post='932200']
you guys need to take of the purple glasses if you think ray is good in pass coverage..like i said before i love him, but he is a liability.
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Said it before, say it again.

"Men lie, women lie, number's don't"

I'm not saying he's good, but he's definitely not a a liability. That's blasphemous!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1325540432' post='932200']
you guys need to take of the purple glasses if you think ray is good in pass coverage..like i said before i love him, but he is a liability.
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I dont care what you guys say, the sky is green!!!

[Bltravens]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1325540432' post='932200']
you guys need to take of the purple glasses if you think ray is good in pass coverage..like i said before i love him, but he is a liability.
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What LB is actually good in coverage?

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1325549615' post='932463']
What LB is actually good in coverage?
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All of them besides Ray Lewis apparently.

[Blex64]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1325540432' post='932200']
you guys need to take of the purple glasses if you think ray is good in pass coverage..like i said before i love him, but he is a liability.
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He's better then Patrick Willis in pass coverage.

So basically no LB should ever be in coverage ever because they all suck.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1325562960' post='932812']

He's better then Patrick Willis in pass coverage.

So basically no LB should ever be in coverage ever because they all suck.
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No, it is better to have a young player out there playing in coverage regardless of the outcome because he will "look fast" and in the NFL you get style points.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

Good thing Ray isn't Derrick Johnson:

In his last 6 games Johnson is:

17/19, 89.4% 164 Yards, 143 YAC, 98.2 QB Rating

[codizzle]

[quote name='JohnnyBoy8102' timestamp='1325563443' post='932824']


No, it is better to have a young player out there playing in coverage regardless of the outcome because he will "look fast" and in the NFL you get style points.
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This post just automatically makes me think of good ole Tavares Gooden

[52Kia Kaha92]

you say numbers dont lie, well stats are not everything and can be very misleading, if you guys honestly think ray lewis is better in pass coverage than patrick willis you are borderline idiotic.

Ray lewis can not cover tight ends or runningbacks anymore, he can only go one way and that is forward, someone cuts on him and he is left in the dust.

Ayanbadejo is our best cover linebacker by far, you can pull out all your fancy stats all you like but stats mean jack all at times and in the case of this example of ray suposedly being awesome in coverage, its pathetic. Just watch the game, and you will realise that he is actually not good in coverage..

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='JohnnyBoy8102' timestamp='1325563443' post='932824']

No, it is better to have a young player out there playing in coverage regardless of the outcome because he will "look fast" and in the NFL you get style points.
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If this is aimed at me you need to seriously look at yourself, i dont like style at all in the nfl, i like results and dont care how pretty they are, we could give up 500 yards every week and i wouldnt care so long as we made them kick field goals and stop them on third down.

style doesnt matter to me, results do. And if you think ray is a god on coverage i doubt you even watch ravens games...

[berad]

Ray isn't amazing in pass coverage, and almost got burnt in Cincinnati [i](Scott dropped the ball, luckily)[/i], but he's a heck of a lot better than anyone else we have and one of the better ones in the league. More often I've seen teams shift a back out wide, to take Ray out of the middle, and exploit the gap there with a quick slant or post.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1325706868' post='934885']
If this is aimed at me you need to seriously look at yourself, i dont like style at all in the nfl, i like results and dont care how pretty they are, we could give up 500 yards every week and i wouldnt care so long as we made them kick field goals and stop them on third down.

style doesnt matter to me, results do. And if you think ray is a god on coverage i doubt you even watch ravens games...
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I too think BA is a good LB in coverage and would like to see more combos of him and ray on third downs personally

[Bltravens]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1325706757' post='934882']
you say numbers dont lie, well stats are not everything and can be very misleading, if you guys honestly think ray lewis is better in pass coverage than patrick willis you are borderline idiotic.

Ray lewis can not cover tight ends or runningbacks anymore, he can only go one way and that is forward, someone cuts on him and he is left in the dust.

Ayanbadejo is our best cover linebacker by far, you can pull out all your fancy stats all you like but stats mean jack all at times and in the case of this example of ray suposedly being awesome in coverage, its pathetic. Just watch the game, and you will realise that he is actually not good in coverage..
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They hardly ever ask Ray to play in pure man coverage anymore. Nobody thinks Ray is an elite cover LB anymore. The point is there is hardly any MLB that is a great or even good cover LB. Simply put the game is much faster (as in more WRs and TE/WR hybrids like our own TEs now for a MLB to be great in coverage). The point is even the young guys we have on our team aren't good in coverage. Ive been saying this for weeks, who the hell are we going to put in on 3rd downs instead? McClain who got stiff armed by Gresham for a 20+ yard pass last week, who is an average player at best? Ayanbedejo is already our nickel LB in certain packages. Ya, Ray's not what he used to be thats plainly obvious. What's also plainly obvious is that we don't have any legit talent that he's holding up.

Ellerbe/McClain/Ayanbedejo/McLellan?

I'll take Ray at 36.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1325706868' post='934885']
If this is aimed at me you need to seriously look at yourself, [b]i dont like style at all in the nfl, i like results and dont care how pretty they are, [/b]we could give up 500 yards every week and i wouldnt care so long as we made them kick field goals and stop them on third down.

[b]style doesnt matter to me, results do. [/b]And if you think ray is a god on coverage i doubt you even watch ravens games...
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Your post just contradicts itself. You say you don't care about style and want results. Well, the results/stats in this case show that the player is not a liability but you resort to the "watch the games" reasoning.

Clearly, the results and stats don't mean anything to you. It is just how things "look" out there.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1325706868' post='934885']
If this is aimed at me [b]you need to seriously look at yourself,[/b] i dont like style at all in the nfl, i like results and dont care how pretty they are, we could give up 500 yards every week and i wouldnt care so long as we made them kick field goals and stop them on third down.

style doesnt matter to me, results do. And if you think ray is a god on coverage i doubt you even watch ravens games...
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I have no idea what that means. Your post clearly shows why some sort of age restriction should be put on these boards.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1325708879' post='934942']
They hardly ever ask Ray to play in pure man coverage anymore. Nobody thinks Ray is an elite cover LB anymore. The point is there is hardly any MLB that is a great or even good cover LB. Simply put the game is much faster (as in more WRs and TE/WR hybrids like our own TEs now for a MLB to be great in coverage). The point is even the young guys we have on our team aren't good in coverage. Ive been saying this for weeks, who the hell are we going to put in on 3rd downs instead? McClain who got stiff armed by Gresham for a 20+ yard pass last week, who is an average player at best? Ayanbedejo is already our nickel LB in certain packages. Ya, Ray's not what he used to be thats plainly obvious. What's also plainly obvious is that we don't have any legit talent that he's holding up.

Ellerbe/McClain/Ayanbedejo/McLellan?

I'll take Ray at 36.
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You obviously don't know what your talking about. All the reasoning, results, and statistics mean nothing.

You must not watch the games if you think Ray should be out there.

Note: The above post is full of sarcasm.