Am I The Only 1 That Is Sick Of How Many Carries Rice Should Have..

[PeRK82]

I know ill probably catch some grief for this but i sorry, i think im the only one that doesnt think RICE should get his 25 plus carries and if he does than that meanS we will win the game. EXAMPLE - The Browns game, we would have won or even scored more points if we actually stuck with the game plan threw it instead of handed it to Rice for 2 yds if we were lucky. Im sick of hearing it, the games we lost , just so happen Rice didnt have his carries, there was a reason why he didnt get those carries. We were either playing from behind or they (opposing defense) took him out of the game. (non productive)

Also its not like he doesnt get the ball when he isnt carrying it, he gets targeted many times and lately he has been missing his catches on the dump offs.

Now i am in no way saying we shouldnt run the ball, by all means. But when we are not getting any yardage running it, especially up the middle, how bout mixing it up a bit. Do a toss to RICE to the side, a screen something other than running it up the middle over n over n over n over again.

There is nothing wrong with Flaccos arm is there, the guy can make some throws other than the deep balls, we have seen them and its very effective. If we are winning by a good amount of points , why not keep throwing the ball, If its working that is. And alot of times it is working but then we go back to running the ball to i guess Run the clock out. MEAN WHILE THERE IS ALMOST 2 QUARTERS LEFT ON THE CLOCK.

We all know the way we are playing now is not going to cut it in the PLAY OFF or should i even say it, SUPERBOWL.
What happened to going in for the kill, seems we are trying to keep these games close.

[1/28/01]

With that said, I hope we run the ish out of Rice and Ricky in the playoffs

[Ravenslifer]

<p>[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1325013595' post='924272']I know ill probably catch some grief for this but i sorry, <strong>i think im the only one that doesnt think RICE should get his 25 plus carries and if he does than that meanS we will win the game</strong>. EXAMPLE - The Browns game, we would have won or even scored more points if we actually stuck with the game plan threw it instead of handed it to Rice for 2 yds if we were lucky. Im sick of hearing it, the games we lost , just so happen Rice didnt have his carries, there was a reason why he didnt get those carries. We were either playing from behind or they (opposing defense) took him out of the game. (non productive) Also its not like he doesnt get the ball when he isnt carrying it, he gets targeted many times and lately he has been missing his catches on the dump offs. Now i am in no way saying we shouldnt run the ball, by all means. But when we are not getting any yardage running it, especially up the middle, how bout mixing it up a bit. Do a toss to RICE to the side, a screen something other than running it up the middle over n over n over n over again. There is nothing wrong with Flaccos arm is there, the guy can make some throws other than the deep balls, we have seen them and its very effective. If we are winning by a good amount of points , why not keep throwing the ball, If its working that is. And alot of times it is working but then we go back to running the ball to i guess Run the clock out. MEAN WHILE THERE IS ALMOST 2 QUARTERS LEFT ON THE CLOCK. We all know the way we are playing now is not going to cut it in the PLAY OFF or should i even say it, SUPERBOWL. What happened to going in for the kill, seems we are trying to keep these games close.[/quote]</p>


No you're not. If we were running the WC offense and Rice was being used the way the Patriots use Woodhead or the Packers use Starks and Grant, then Rice should have the number of receptions he does. But in this offensive system, running backs run to help set up the vertical passing game. No running game = no passing game, yet Cam in all of his stubbornness is trying to be the first person in NFL history to run an Air Coryell offense with no running game and less than ideal receivers and have it succeed. Rice has almost 50 fewer carries than he did last season yet is only 50 yards away from last year's rushing total. What does that tell you about how Cam runs this offense?

[PeRK82]

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<p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">No you're not. If we were running the WC offense and Rice was being used the way the Patriots use Woodhead or the Packers use Starks and Grant, then Rice should have the number of receptions he does. But in this offensive system, running backs run to help set up the vertical passing game. No running game = no passing game, yet Cam in all of his stubbornness is trying to be the first person in NFL history to run an Air Coryell offense with no running game and less than ideal receivers and have it succeed. Rice has almost 50 fewer carries than he did last season yet is only 50 yards away from last year's rushing total. What does <em>that </em>tell you about how Cam runs this offense?</p>
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It tells me the problem isnt Flacco or Rice, its CAM like usual. I have never disliked someone so much but i have to continue to see or hear about him because the RAVENS are my team. I dont even think we throw the Deep ball that much honestly, why cant we just do plays that were working in the game , not stray away from them. I cant be the only one that see this every game.

[PeRK82]

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With that said, I hope we run the ish out of Rice and Ricky in the playoffs [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img]
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If it works, by all mean, i hope we do to.

[The Raven]

Do you have any understanding of offensive football at all? That's how running the ball works. You don't always get a gain. You're gonna get caught for a loss. There's a book called [i]Take Your Eye Off The Ball [/i]by Pat Kirwan. In the book he states:

"1. Are you willing to run the ball on second down after running on first and gaining zero yards?
2. Will you run the ball when you're down seven points?

If the answer to those two questions is yes, then that team is truly commited to the run"

That's how running the ball works. If you go and say "Oh, Ray only got 5 yards on 3 carries, we're not gonna run the ball today" then you're offense will suffer. That's why Rice had 4 carries against Jacksonville. and ya never know, on that 4th carry, he may break an 80 yarder. But how would you know? You wouldn't. The running game is most effective when you commit to it.

Also, you run the ball to set up the pass. When you have a balanced attack, the defense will be on their toes and won't know what's coming. They will be unable to commit to stopping either. Also, running the ball makes play action effective. Play action is essential for any passing game, but even more so in an Air Coryell. But when you run the ball 5 times all game, the defensive line will pin their ears back and go hunting, and the defense won't give two craps about stopping the run. They will key in on the pass game. When they just say "Hey, that idiot Cam gave up on the run, lets just play the pass" It becomes much easier to beat the passing game. That's when the defense can dictate what they're doing to you, instead of having to react to what your offense is doing. Have you ever heard the phrase "Keeping the defense honest"?

When you run the ball, and truly commit to it, it will wear out the defense. The 2008 game against the Cowboys comes to mind here. We ran the ball down their throats. It wasn't greatly effective for most of the game, but it set up the passing game, and it wore down that defense. And then, we had two back to back MASSIVE runs for touchdowns that sealed the game and a playoff spot.

Perk, I'd like you to think about something. There is a correlation that is undisputable about our offense. When Rice has fewer than 12 carries, we are 0-4. That alone speaks for itself.

[The Raven]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1325014576' post='924297']


It tells me the problem isnt Flacco or Rice, its CAM like usual. I have never disliked someone so much but i have to continue to see or hear about him because the RAVENS are my team. [b]I dont even think we throw the Deep ball that much honestly, why cant we just do plays that were working in the game , not stray away from them.[/b] I cant be the only one that see this every game.
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There are stats that have proven that we are among the leaders in deep passes attempted. It's impossible to argue against.

And you can't just do plays that work. Yeah, you have to use them, but when you just do those plays or types of plays, it becomes very easy for the defense to stop them. Do you know why?

Predictability and patterns. You HAVE to keep a diverse attack and an open playbook. When the playbook is limited, so is your offense. When your offense is limited, it is easier to stop and will suffer.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325015264' post='924310']
Do you have any understanding of offensive football at all? That's how running the ball works. You don't always get a gain. You're gonna get caught for a loss. There's a book called [i]Take Your Eye Off The Ball [/i]by Pat Kirwan. In the book he states:

"1. Are you willing to run the ball on second down after running on first and gaining zero yards?
2. Will you run the ball when you're down seven points?

If the answer to those two questions is yes, then that team is truly commited to the run"

That's how running the ball works. If you go and say "Oh, Ray only got 5 yards on 3 carries, we're not gonna run the ball today" then you're offense will suffer. That's why Rice had 4 carries against Jacksonville. and ya never know, on that 4th carry, he may break an 80 yarder. But how would you know? You wouldn't. The running game is most effective when you commit to it.

Also, you run the ball to set up the pass. When you have a balanced attack, the defense will be on their toes and won't know what's coming. They will be unable to commit to stopping either. Also, running the ball makes play action effective. [b]Play action is essential for any passing game, but even more so in an Air Coryell.[/b] But when you run the ball 5 times all game, the defensive line will pin their ears back and go hunting, and the defense won't give two craps about stopping the run. They will key in on the pass game. When they just say "Hey, that idiot Cam gave up on the run, lets just play the pass" It becomes much easier to beat the passing game. That's when the defense can dictate what they're doing to you, instead of having to react to what your offense is doing. Have you ever heard the phrase "Keeping the defense honest"?

When you run the ball, and truly commit to it, it will wear out the defense. The 2008 game against the Cowboys comes to mind here. We ran the ball down their throats. It wasn't greatly effective for most of the game, but it set up the passing game, and it wore down that defense. And then, we had two back to back MASSIVE runs for touchdowns that sealed the game and a playoff spot.

Perk, I'd like you to think about something. There is a correlation that is undisputable about our offense. When Rice has fewer than 12 carries, we are 0-4. That alone speaks for itself.
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Exactly. The running game is essential in Air Coryell, it doesn't matter if you have 20 attempts for 150 yards or 20 attempts for 10 yards, you have to run the ball for Air Coryell to work. That's the whole point of the system. It just amazes me that people sit here and say "Ray Rice only got 8 carries because that's what the gameplan dictated". Air Coryell is not an adaptable offense. It's based on scoring a lot of points using a heavy running game and play action passing. Yet Cam seems to think he can run half the system and make it work.

[CorvusCorax]

You know what I'm sick and tired of? Seeing this offense barely scrape by in games. I honestly have no idea why we gave up the run against San Diego so early. Why? Rice was prime to make a big play. But it didn't happen because we went pass happy.

I'm sick of seeing dropped passes by our receivers.

I'm sick of seeing Over and underthrown balls

I'm sick of seeing Flacco's Fu Manchu

I'm sick of seeing Cam's IHOP menu

[1/28/01]

To me, Rice is the only player on offense I have the utmost confidence in. He needs a heavy dose from here on out. I dont care about system, scheme, Air Coryell this, West Coast that or anything else. Just involve that man at all costs!!!

[The Raven]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1325015817' post='924321']
You know what I'm sick and tired of? Seeing this offense barely scrape by in games. I honestly have no idea why we gave up the run against San Diego so early. Why? Rice was prime to make a big play. But it didn't happen because we went pass happy.

I'm sick of seeing dropped passes by our receivers.

I'm sick of seeing Over and underthrown balls

[b]I'm sick of seeing Flacco's Fu Manchu[/b]

I'm sick of seeing Cam's IHOP menu
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You take that back!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325016049' post='924325']

You take that back!
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Chopped mine off after the debacle that was the SD game...

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325016049' post='924325']

You take that back!
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Never. That abomination of a mustache should've come off after the SD loss.

[PeRK82]

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There are stats that have proven that we are among the leaders in deep passes attempted. It's impossible to argue against.

And you can't just do plays that work. Yeah, you have to use them, but when you just do those plays or types of plays, it becomes very easy for the defense to stop them. Do you know why?

[b]Predictability and patterns[/b]. You HAVE to keep a diverse attack and an open playbook. When the playbook is limited, so is your offense. When your offense is limited, it is easier to stop and will suffer.
[/quote]

I agree with you, keep it unpredictable but thats the thing, its very predictable. When we were playing the 49ers, Joe was tearing it up bad and we stop throwing it for no reason, yea the Running game started working, thank god, in the 4th quarter but alot of the times it doesnt. Anyways, there was no reason to stop what was working. We werent being predictable throwing the ball on Slants because at the time, we were never doing Slants up the middle, (we are doing it a little more now, which i love).

I cant argue about being the leaders in attempts for the deep ball but alot of those deep balls should have been Caught. I dont understand why Flacco is getting all this Flack, its unreal how many balls that were tipped, dropped that were thrown in between the numbers. Is that Flaccos fault, not at all but he gets blamed for it. The only bad thing i can say about Flacco is, when he is shook,( rushed ) he will throw thee worst ints you will ever see and its usually on plays that he isnt even being rushed on but he is already shook from the prior plays.

His pocket awareness has greatly improved since the preseason. It looks like he see the field alot better too. I dont care if Flacco throws ints, every qb is going to throw INT from time to time. But man when he throws some of those ints , it looks like he got paid to do some of them,lol.

[True]

The best player on the offense touches the ball the most...

[PeRK82]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325016039' post='924324']
To me, Rice is the only player on offense I have the utmost confidence in. He needs a heavy dose from here on out. I dont care about system, scheme, Air Coryell this, West Coast that or anything else. Just involve that man at all costs!!!
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Agreed, i think he should line up as WR more, i think he is more dangerous as a receiver honestly. Nothing wrong with the check downs either, except if we are going to do it, dont wait for a giant LB to be hovering over Rice then throw it. It worked last yr because defenses werent expecting it and RICE is so elusive, honestly, i was surprised it lasted that long. But now Defenses are ready for it. So if we are going to do the whole Check down thing, i think it should be down when Rice is in motion. He usually gets more yardage anyways.

[Twistidfunk]

I don't worry about the number of touches a whole lot. I don't want Rice vanishing like in Seattle but if we are up and we can keep him fresh then do it.

[Tank 92]

I'm totally against any quota for the run or for the pass. Some games you are going to run more, some games you will pass more and some may be balanced. The scheme has to fit the opponent and adjustments need to be made during the game to go with match ups that become advantageous.

And my God, we need to occasionally throw the ball on first down! The key to any offense, Air Coryell, West Coast, BSHU or whatever, is unpredictability. I agree that RR needs to get his touches. But the opposition knows full and well of his abilities and will be keying on him a lot of the time. Ray can be just as valuable as a decoy as he is touching the ball.

I know this may be simplifying a very complicated issue, but it all boils down to being U N P R E D I C T A B L E.

[BenDufusberger]

GB and NE both pick up over 8 yds per pass attempt but only about 4 yds per rush attempt , so passing is twice as productive as rushing for them. Both have "elite" QBs. If the best strategy was to always , or nearly always , run the plays that are most successful , you'd expect them to pass all the time , or nearly so. Yet they run the ball 40% of the time , within a few percent of the league average.

The Ravens run 43% of the time , 14th highest out of 32 teams. Pretty much right in the middle. To argue that we should be passing more , given the composition of our offense at the skill positions , is going against conventional wisdom , to put it mildly.

Now if you're talking situational pass/run decisions , then you can make many valid arguments , for both more passing and more rushing , depending on the case , but with Cam as our OC , that's to be expected.

[Dfence4champs2052]

I HATE Cam Cameron. PERIOD!

[ravensdfan]

I'm sick of people picking on Joe's 'stache. You act like he thinks it makes him look cool, which he clearly does not. He's already said it's an "ugly" thing. It is now for charity as well so lay off the 'stache.

I'm sick of everyone screaming for Rice to run the ball every down. I'm sick of Cam listening to them when it clearly isn't working. I'm just plain sick of Cam in general (though he's had glimpses of getting better this season). It isn't about running, it isn't about passing.

It is about 2 things.

One: what works best versus the team you are playing.

and

Two: Balance.

While he's shown he can call a balanced game plan this season, Cam more often than not still goes too far one way or the other.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1325021678' post='924427']
GB and NE both pick up over 8 yds per pass attempt but only about 4 yds per rush attempt , so passing is twice as productive as rushing for them. Both have "elite" QBs. If the best strategy was to always , or nearly always , run the plays that are most successful , you'd expect them to pass all the time , or nearly so. Yet they run the ball 40% of the time , within a few percent of the league average.

The Ravens run 43% of the time , 14th highest out of 32 teams. Pretty much right in the middle. To argue that we should be passing more , given the composition of our offense at the skill positions , is going against conventional wisdom , to put it mildly.

Now if you're talking situational pass/run decisions , then you can make many valid arguments , for both more passing and more rushing , depending on the case , but with Cam as our OC , that's to be expected.
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Guess my real point is, im not saying we should pass more, but we should pass at the right times. I can't stand wasted downs, i rage from them. A wasted down is running the ball when your on you sofa watching it and you know they are going to run it, the defense knows you going to run it. The Defense Stacks the line to run it, sometimes they will stack the line in a tight bunch in the middle and we will Run it up the middle?????? Am i missing something here, huh, do a screen, do a toss to the side. It would be a perfect play to toss it to the right or left , which ever side has the weakest DLine man. It would be a perfect play for the Toss and Vonta picking up a block maybe 2 for Rice to either get 6 yrd or a break out run because the whole Defense in locked up tight at the line of Scrimmage so if Rice would be able to get into the flats, he would only have to deal with maybe a Safety (which he might not be able to out run, but easily stiff arm or just run him over, or juke him)

[PeRK82]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1325021830' post='924432']
I HATE Cam Cameron. PERIOD!
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Took the wORdS Right out of my mouth, couldnt have said it any betteR. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img]

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1325022946' post='924461']


Guess my real point is, im not saying we should pass more, but we should pass at the right times. I can't stand wasted downs, i rage from them. A wasted down is running the ball when your on you sofa watching it and you know they are going to run it, the defense knows you going to run it. The Defense Stacks the line to run it, sometimes they will stack the line in a tight bunch in the middle and we will Run it up the middle?????? Am i missing something here, huh, do a screen, do a toss to the side. It would be a perfect play to toss it to the right or left , which ever side has the weakest DLine man. It would be a perfect play for the Toss and Vonta picking up a block maybe 2 for Rice to either get 6 yrd or a break out run because the whole Defense in locked up tight at the line of Scrimmage so if Rice would be able to get into the flats, he would only have to deal with maybe a Safety (which he might not be able to out run, but easily stiff arm or just run him over, or juke him)
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I know what you mean and I get those same feelings. If I can guess correctly about what the Ravens are likely to do in a given situation , then the opposing D can also , which reduces the chances of success for the Ravens.

I want to be surprised by plays. Not every play necessarily , but often enough where I - or the opposing D - can never guess what's coming next with any reliability.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1325022092' post='924437']
I'm sick of people picking on Joe's 'stache. You act like he thinks it makes him look cool, which he clearly does not. He's already said it's an "ugly" thing. It is now for charity as well so lay off the 'stache.

I'm sick of everyone screaming for Rice to run the ball every down. I'm sick of Cam listening to them when it clearly isn't working. I'm just plain sick of Cam in general (though he's had glimpses of getting better this season). It isn't about running, it isn't about passing.

It is about 2 things.

One: what works best versus the team you are playing.

and

Two: Balance.

[b]While he's shown he can call a balanced game plan this season, Cam more often than not still goes too far one way or the other.[/b]
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I said this before, i think Cam goes out of his way to try and make it a point to do something against a opposing teams defenses strength.
Let me put it this way, say the opposing Defense has a great Run Defense, Cam will try and run it on them or if the Opposing Defense has a great pass Defense , he would/will try to throw it on them. I think its an ego thing, he thinks he will look great or make the Ravens look great if the RAVENS were to Run the Ball on the Defense that is say number 1 at stopping the run or vise versa. It looks like he will go out of his way to do this. Like i said, Its an EGO thing, it has to be. No one can really BE THAT DUMB? But we are talking about our great O.C though, LAME. Hope that made some kind of sense.

I came to this conclusion and quite confident with it after the 9ers game, The 49ers has/had the number 1 run defense and one of thee worst pass defenses. So what do we do , We run the ball (it only got effective really around the 4th quarter), Mean while when Joe was throwing it, Flacco was tearing them a New A. (The Multiple Flacco to Boldin catches in the middle of the field), So what does Cam do, he switches from throwing the ball to Running it and Boldin doesnt even get targeted the rest of the game. Thats the only reason why the 49ers were still in the game until the last 6 mins or so.

Cam has done this to us all yr, He finds a way to keep the opposing teams in the game when we could easily lock it up with just 1 more TD, but no, cant do that , screw trying to score just 1 more TD, We need to run the clock out, hence run the ball. what ???? Its not even Half time yet, all well, we will run it anyways.

[The Raven]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1325022092' post='924437']
I'm sick of people picking on Joe's 'stache. You act like he thinks it makes him look cool, which he clearly does not. He's already said it's an "ugly" thing. It is now for charity as well so lay off the 'stache.

I'm sick of everyone screaming for Rice to run the ball every down.[b] I'm sick of Cam listening to them when it clearly isn't working.[/b] I'm just plain sick of Cam in general (though he's had glimpses of getting better this season). It isn't about running, it isn't about passing.

It is about 2 things.

One: what works best versus the team you are playing.

and

Two: Balance.

While he's shown he can call a balanced game plan this season, Cam more often than not still goes too far one way or the other.
[/quote]

I'm sick of Rice not getting more than 12 carries - That clearly isn't working either.

What are we, 0-4 when Rice has less than 12 carries? Clearly not good.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1325023424' post='924471']

I said this before, i think Cam goes out of his way to try and make it a point to do something against a opposing teams defenses strength.
Let me put it this way, say the opposing Defense has a great Run Defense, Cam will try and run it on them or if the Opposing Defense has a great pass Defense , he would/will try to throw it on them. I think its an ego thing, he thinks he will look great or make the Ravens look great if the RAVENS were to Run the Ball on the Defense that is say number 1 at stopping the run or vise versa. It looks like he will go out of his way to do this. Like i said, Its an EGO thing, it has to be. No one can really BE THAT DUMB? But we are talking about our great O.C though, LAME. Hope that made some kind of sense.

I came to this conclusion and quite confident with it after the 9ers game, The 49ers has/had the number 1 run defense and one of thee worst pass defenses. So what do we do , We run the ball (it only got effective really around the 4th quarter), Mean while when Joe was throwing it, Flacco was tearing them a New A. (The Multiple Flacco to Boldin catches in the middle of the field), So what does Cam do, he switches from throwing the ball to Running it and Boldin doesnt even get targeted the rest of the game. Thats the only reason why the 49ers were still in the game until the last 6 mins or so.

Cam has done this to us all yr, He finds a way to keep the opposing teams in the game when we could easily lock it up with just 1 more TD, but no, cant do that , screw trying to score just 1 more TD, We need to run the clock out, hence run the ball. what ???? Its not even Half time yet, all well, we will run it anyways.
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I absolutely agree with this. How else do you explain Ray Rice's 8 carries against the Jags, top 10 in PD, bottom 5 in RD, when 2 TDs would have won the game?

[Grapple Raven]

I am just baffled that we have an O.C. that struggles do the following:

1) devise a game plan that plays to the strengths of the team QB and the offense and puts them in the best position to win games
2) devise a game strategy that plays off the weaknesses of the opposing defense
3) devise a game plan that is balanced ENOUGH on a consistent basis to become and remain unpredictable
4) have an offensive coordinator that can't relenquish control to save his life or the life of this team (he sure sucks the life out of me, lol, I can't imagine what it does to this team...ya know it isn't good when ya defense has to tell the coach to utilize the run)
5) devise a game plan that allows for in-game adjustments based on what the opposition is showing

The one thing I would love to see is what this offense could do with someone that can do all the above on a consistent basis.
That being said we have had a positive year so far, and I sooo hope it continues, but if it does it will do so as it has done the majority of past seasons and this season...inspite of the O.C. imho.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325013892' post='924280']
With that said, I hope we run the ish out of Rice and Ricky in the playoffs [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img]
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Yes Sirrrrrr! i agree 100%. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1325015817' post='924321']
You know what I'm sick and tired of? Seeing this offense barely scrape by in games. I honestly have no idea why we gave up the run against San Diego so early. Why? Rice was prime to make a big play. But it didn't happen because we went pass happy.

I'm sick of seeing dropped passes by our receivers.

I'm sick of seeing Over and underthrown balls

I'm sick of seeing Flacco's Fu Manchu

I'm sick of seeing Cam's IHOP menu
[/quote]

i'm sick of the same things but especially that fu manchu. smh! my beard of 20+ years looks a hell of a lot better than that junk. lol!

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325016039' post='924324']
To me, [u][b]Rice is the only player on offense I have the utmost confidence in[/b][/u]. He needs a heavy dose from here on out. I dont care about system, scheme, Air Coryell this, West Coast that or anything else. [u][b]Just involve that man at all costs!!![/b][/u]
[/quote]

^ This....absolutely!!

~Mili

[Dfence4champs2052]

Rice is a playmaker flat out....one of the best in the league. He needs his touches for us to be successful.