Time To Start Pitta

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='SanDiegan Raven' timestamp='1325572231' post='932950']

You don't read very well. The question isn't asking if schemes can be defended [u][b]but asking how can YOU defend the fact that we have a horrible scheme[/b][/u]. As far as Pitta goes, I wouldn't exactly call it "dominant". He caught a few screen passes. Dickson caught some monster catches too! You are blindly in love with Pitta. [u][b]I don't know why you can't accept the fact that they're too excellent TEs and they have different skillsets[/b][/u]. [u][b]Dickson drops 2 balls in a game (1 on 3rd down) and all of a sudden he has a history of not being dependable[/b][/u]. You and everyone that believes Dickson should be benched or lose time to Pitta need to go somewhere! I'm done.
[/quote]

i agree with the following:

1. we have a horrible offensive scheme. Cam doesn't utilize our personnel properly imo.
2. both our TEs (Dickson/Pitta) are good TEs and they rank #3 in the league as a TE tandem

but...what is undeniable is the fact that Dickson has dropped more passes than Pitta. i'll give him props though because he held the ball when he got popped the other day. but...Pitta is seemingly more sure-handed. i say....that we utilize BOTH of these cats to their fullest potential and develop a solid 2TE "diesel" scheme (ala the Patriots) to both run and pass the ball...especially in the redzone.

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1325601370' post='933069']

Wow, that was so witty! The guy who doesn't know how to defend a scheme thinks I am the stupid one... to borrow a line from [u][b]MilitantX[/b][/u] -- smh!
[/quote]

umm..Fly...that is "Militant X 1" to be exact but feel free to use the line anytime my friend! [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img]

~Mili

[jdynamite]

[quote name='Crabcakes&Football' timestamp='1325609783' post='933294']


He looked pretty tough on that catch he made last Sunday.
[/quote]

Sunday was first game I couldn't watch had to work New Years at the Casino.

But what I said doesn't mean he has never caught a pass under duress or while being contacted by a defender. Like I said he has made some tremendous catches and some easy drops...

[CapoRocky]

I like the idea of Pitta and Dickson on the field at the same time, too. They can catch and run as well as anyone on the team. With Boldin coming back, we will not see as much of the 2 TE set. I think that the 4 of them can keep the opponent from focusing only on Rice. That will free him up for a few big plays.

[flipper14]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1325630221' post='933874']

i agree with the following:

1. we have a horrible offensive scheme. Cam doesn't utilize our personnel properly imo.
2. both our TEs (Dickson/Pitta) are good TEs and they rank #3 in the league as a TE tandem

but...what is undeniable is the fact that Dickson has dropped more passes than Pitta. i'll give him props though because he held the ball when he got popped the other day. but...Pitta is seemingly more sure-handed. i say....that we utilize BOTH of these cats to their fullest potential and develop a solid 2TE "diesel" scheme (ala the Patriots) to both run and pass the ball...especially in the redzone.



umm..Fly...that is "Militant X 1" to be exact but feel free to use the line anytime my friend! [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img]

~Mili
[/quote]

Was Cam's offensive scheme bad when he had Antonio Gates in San Diego? Seems to me that he used that personnel just find. This offense is young in many spots. These are two talented tight ends who are going to get better and better.

[flynismo]

[quote name='flipper14' timestamp='1325702284' post='934815']

Was Cam's offensive scheme bad when he had Antonio Gates in San Diego? Seems to me that he used that personnel just find. This offense is young in many spots. These are two talented tight ends who are going to get better and better.[/quote]


was a bit diffefrent in SD. LT is arguably the most talented RB to ever play in the NFL. Gates is one of the best recieving TE to ever play. Drew Brees / Philip Rivers at QB. And a very good OL.
It would be impossible to screw up in that system...the system pretty much ran itself. Feed LT the ball. Use play action. Score. Repeat.

[SanDiegan Raven]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1325630221' post='933874']

i agree with the following:

1. we have a horrible offensive scheme. Cam doesn't utilize our personnel properly imo.
2. both our TEs (Dickson/Pitta) are good TEs and they rank #3 in the league as a TE tandem

but...what is undeniable is the fact that Dickson has dropped more passes than Pitta. i'll give him props though because he held the ball when he got popped the other day. but...Pitta is seemingly more sure-handed. i say....that we utilize BOTH of these cats to their fullest potential and develop a solid 2TE "diesel" scheme (ala the Patriots) to both run and pass the ball...especially in the redzone.





~Mili
[/quote]

So finally, someone understands and actually reads what I'm saying! Excellent assessment Militant! The fact that you other guys are ready to write off Dickson starting is disgraceful!
If you recorded the game you'll go back and see that almost 5 of Pitta's 6 catches were for less than 5 yards. He had one catch for 39 yards. (1-39 and 5-23) I'm not about to ride Pittas jock. Nor am I about to ride Dickson. The fact remains that they are both solid and this talk about starting Pitta over Dickson is assanine. As a sidenote, I would say the same thing if Pitta was the starter and Dickson had this conversation going. Bottom line, accept the fact that they are both great and neither separates himself to be the outlandish "starter."

The fact that there is this entourage of characters looking at me to be the idiot astounds me. This is the biggest groupthink conversation I've ever seen. It seems that Militant is the only one that actually reads and comprehends what I write even if he doesn't 100% agree. I can respect factual disagreement. Never-the-less, you have your opinions I have facts.

I will stick to the fact that a good play design can get players wideopen (Pitta's catch this weekend was by great design.) You bring up how he caught the 39 yard pass. Yes he did and it was 1000% BY PLAY DESIGN THAT HE GOT THAT OPEN! It was a play action on 3 and 1 that froze the linebackers and Pitta was WIDEOPEN! So as much as you like to make me look like the idiot facts are facts! Anyone that says that play design (and scheme) can't get someone wideopen has a football IQ of 10.

We saw Pitta couldn't do much with the short passes because he was completely blanketed (not his fault). His touchdown catch was a great call because they were in zone, and Pitta gave Flacco room to throw. The underneath coverage went to T. Smith and the safety recognized the play too late. Proving once again that play design CAN (usually) get players in the open. Pitta is an outstanding TE and so is Dickson. Neither DESERVES to be starting over the other. Whoever is there starting is starting.

You all who are trying to say I'm new, and I'm an idiot, and Pitta should start over Dickson can swallow the facts. Being "new" to a forum means squat. Just because you may disagree doesn't make me the idiot unless you can disprove the facts as not being adequate. Which you can't! Combine their stats into one and they make up 5th best Tight End in the game (yds). It doesn't matter who "starts" the game. It matters what you do in between the 60 minutes.

[SanDiegan Raven]

Again brining only the facts about this genius of a coordinator we have. In 2006, Cam's last year in SD, Rivers threw for 3300 yds and LT set the TD record and rushing title at 1800+ yds. Rivers exploded (2008) a year after Cameron left and hasn't thrown for less than 4000 yds since.

Ray Rice is every bit as good if not better than LT. Rice had 291 carries this year compared to LT's 348 on his record year. A full 3 carries fewer per game. (LT 21.8 to Rice18.2 carries per game) Flacco I am certain is just as good as the premier QBs in this league but is held back only because of Cameron and his poor play calling and JV design. I'll illustrate.

Cam's first year in SD was 2002:


2002 Brees 3284 yds17 TDs 16 Ints
2003 Brees 2108 11 TDs 15 Ints (11games)
2004 Brees 3159 27 TDs 7 Ints
2005 Brees 3576 24 TDs 15 Ints
2006 Rivers 3388 22 TDs 9 Ints

Brees under Payton (yds, tds, ints)
2006 4418, 26, 11
2007 4423 , 28,18
2008 5069,34,17
2009 4388, 34,11
2010 4620, 36,22
2011 5476, 46,14

Cam's first year in BAL was 2008
2008 Flacco 2971 yds 14 TDs 12 Ints
2009 Flacco 3613 21 TDs 12 Ints
2010 Flacco 3622 25 TDs 10 Ints
2011 Flacco 3610 20 TD 12 Ints

I leave it to you to draw conclusions about play calling, design, and scheme. I will draw you to one note. Every year under a different play caller Brees has thrown for 4,000+ yds ( and won a super bowl). For the last 4 years he's thrown for 34+ TDs. What's my point?

In my opinion, I believe that we are every bit as talented as San Diego offensively and every bit as talented as the Saints. Boldin, Evans, Smith, Williams and Doss complement each other incredibly well. Flacco has the ability to make every throw you ask him to make. Back to the TEs, they are every bit as talented as the Patriots and complement each other. Our offense should be leaps and bounds better than what it is. My point is that our offensive scheme, design, and play calling is horrible. My point is that players can only be as good as the position you put them in to make plays. My point, indirectly, is that Dickson and Pitta should not be competing about starting positions, and we shouldn't have to argue for either of them getting more time. My point is that if we don't win it all this year Cam Cameron needs a new job, HC somewhere else, or in the broadcast booth.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324920965' post='923122']
Agreed on all counts. I [b]was[/b] a bigger Dickson fan just because of the fact he had more big play potential, but he really hasn't made any big plays, and he sure drops a lot too. Dickson may be a better athlete, but Pitta is a much better football player. Time for the "white tight end" to start. Let's go Harbs, start Pitta!
[/quote]


Same here.....the drops have pissed me off beyond belief. No excuse period.

[Rogerdat]

[quote name='balimore' timestamp='1325537754' post='932133']
Ever since Pitta got the fu manchu, he has been having this special connection with Flacco.
[/quote]
Ever since Cam realized his job might be in jepordy he has started designing more plays for Pitta.

[flynismo]

[quote name='SanDiegan Raven' timestamp='1325785924' post='935720']
Again brining only the facts about this genius of a coordinator we have. In 2006, Cam's last year in SD, Rivers threw for 3300 yds and LT set the TD record and rushing title at 1800+ yds. Rivers exploded (2008) a year after Cameron left and hasn't thrown for less than 4000 yds since.

Ray Rice is every bit as good if not better than LT. Rice had 291 carries this year compared to LT's 348 on his record year. A full 3 carries fewer per game. (LT 21.8 to Rice18.2 carries per game) Flacco I am certain is just as good as the premier QBs in this league but is held back only because of Cameron and his poor play calling and JV design. I'll illustrate.

Cam's first year in SD was 2002:


2002 Brees 3284 yds17 TDs 16 Ints
2003 Brees 2108 11 TDs 15 Ints (11games)
2004 Brees 3159 27 TDs 7 Ints
2005 Brees 3576 24 TDs 15 Ints
2006 Rivers 3388 22 TDs 9 Ints

Brees under Payton (yds, tds, ints)
2006 4418, 26, 11
2007 4423 , 28,18
2008 5069,34,17
2009 4388, 34,11
2010 4620, 36,22
2011 5476, 46,14

Cam's first year in BAL was 2008
2008 Flacco 2971 yds 14 TDs 12 Ints
2009 Flacco 3613 21 TDs 12 Ints
2010 Flacco 3622 25 TDs 10 Ints
2011 Flacco 3610 20 TD 12 Ints

I leave it to you to draw conclusions about play calling, design, and scheme. I will draw you to one note. Every year under a different play caller Brees has thrown for 4,000+ yds ( and won a super bowl). For the last 4 years he's thrown for 34+ TDs. What's my point?

In my opinion, I believe that we are every bit as talented as San Diego offensively and every bit as talented as the Saints. Boldin, Evans, Smith, Williams and Doss complement each other incredibly well. Flacco has the ability to make every throw you ask him to make. Back to the TEs, they are every bit as talented as the Patriots and complement each other. Our offense should be leaps and bounds better than what it is. My point is that our offensive scheme, design, and play calling is horrible. My point is that players can only be as good as the position you put them in to make plays. My point, indirectly, is that Dickson and Pitta should not be competing about starting positions, and we shouldn't have to argue for either of them getting more time. My point is that if we don't win it all this year Cam Cameron needs a new job, HC somewhere else, or in the broadcast booth.
[/quote]


Dude ... talk about being a homer. Ray Rice is not "as good or better than LT" in his prime. That is a joke.

Nobody will argue that our system is an outdated pile of steaming monkey crap. What we are arguing is who is a better player: Pitta or Dickson. They both play in the same crap system. One is flourishing when given a chance, the other is up and down.

[Rogerdat]

[quote name='SanDiegan Raven' timestamp='1325572231' post='932950']

You don't read very well. The question isn't asking if schemes can be defended but asking how can YOU defend the fact that we have a horrible scheme. As far as Pitta goes, I wouldn't exactly call it "dominant". He caught a few screen passes. Dickson caught some monster catches too! You are blindly in love with Pitta. I don't know why you can't accept the fact that they're too excellent TEs and they have different skillsets. Dickson drops 2 balls in a game (1 on 3rd down) and all of a sudden he has a history of not being dependable. You and everyone that believes Dickson should be benched or lose time to Pitta need to go somewhere! I'm done.
[/quote]
San Diego, maybe you should read what Dickson's own Oregon newspaper wrote about him. He runs poor routes and he short arms the ball when he goes over the middle. Not my words their's. That means he has alligator arms. Scared. And not just two dropped balls but several this season. Did you not see him drop all those balls in the NFL combine? And did you see the show Pitta put on? Yes San Diego Dickson has shown a history of dropping the ball and runs poor routes according to the experts. Dickson will be a very good tight end but many of us believe that Pitta is a lot more polished for this time in their career why not go with the guy who continues to prove himself reliable?

[Rogerdat]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1325607446' post='933224']
Suggs loves Pitta..
[/quote]
Maybe that's because he sees Pitta in both the games and in practice and knows what he can truly do. Everytime Suggs is on T.V. he mentions Pitta and what a great player he is.

[CalvinSmoke]

c'mon man... Pitta is nice, i mean super good. We should probably feed him as many passes as we do Boldin. He's that good.

But we cannot sleep on Dickson, Dickson doesn't have Pitta hands, but that doesn't mean you bench him. Dickson is a match-up nightmare, and is like our TE version of Torrey Smith. He needs this game time experience because he adds and element to our offense that defenses have to respect.

And I know the general consensus for Cam Cameron around here, but he does know how to use athletic TE's (Antonio Gates)

[gabefergy]

[quote name='SanDiegan Raven' timestamp='1325785924' post='935720']


In my opinion,[b] I believe that we are every bit as talented as San Diego offensively[/b] and every bit as talented as the Saints. Boldin, Evans, Smith, Williams and Doss complement each other incredibly well. Flacco has the ability to make every throw you ask him to make. Back to the TEs, they are every bit as talented as the Patriots and complement each other. Our offense should be leaps and bounds better than what it is. My point is that our offensive scheme, design, and play calling is horrible. My point is that players can only be as good as the position you put them in to make plays. My point, indirectly, is that Dickson and Pitta should not be competing about starting positions, and we shouldn't have to argue for either of them getting more time. My point is that if we don't win it all this year Cam Cameron needs a new job, HC somewhere else, or in the broadcast booth.
[/quote]

Talk about homerism! Dude, we are not nearly as talented on offense as NO. The only place we even compete is at OL and RB and tbh their 4 headed RB attack has been just as effective as Rice/Williams. Rice would be the best RB out of the group, but they use all 3 or 4 (when healthy) extremely well. At WR we arent even close to as talented as the Saints, and our 2 TE's combined cant come close to the production of Jimmy Graham. I think if we had a better OC our guys would have better stats, but thats just conjecture.

Now that was off-topic, and I agree with your point to an extent. I dont want to see Dickson kicked to the curb. I think he has a lot of talent is a better run-blocker. However, in the passing game Pitta has proven to be the more consistent player. I dont necessarily care who is labeled as the "starter" but Pitta should receive at least 50% of targets at TE in the passing game, probably more considering what he has done when given the opportunity.

[BloodRaven]

Sometimes I wonder how Dickson was rated as a better prospect than Pitta, it's not as if Dickson is a better blocker.

[codizzle]

Dude saying Baby ray is better than LT was? ... Somebody hasn't been watching football for too long.. LT is probably one of the greatest all purpose backs to ever play the game.. Let ray do it for another at this pace for another 7 years before we talk about LT

[gabefergy]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1325877182' post='936625']
Sometimes I wonder how Dickson was rated as a better prospect than Pitta, it's not as if Dickson is a better blocker.
[/quote]
I think part of it was the fact that Pitta is a couple years older, so he slipped a bit. As for blocking I think they are about the same, Dickson to me is a better run-blocker (he has had key blocks in several of Ray's big runs) and Pitta is a little better in pass-protection.

[chesapeakeaviator]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1325877182' post='936625']
Sometimes I wonder how Dickson was rated as a better prospect than Pitta, it's not as if Dickson is a better blocker.
[/quote]

Agree. I saw Pitta play a few games for BYU and he looked pretty sharp in college, too. Had a high football IQ, was a tremendous route runner, great hands, maybe not the best blocker, but that was never what he was asked to do. Not really surprised he's turned out to be the player he is and another great draft pick, getting him in the 4th!

[Rogerdat]

[quote name='SanDiegan Raven' timestamp='1325782931' post='935667']

So finally, someone understands and actually reads what I'm saying! Excellent assessment Militant! The fact that you other guys are ready to write off Dickson starting is disgraceful!
If you recorded the game you'll go back and see that almost 5 of Pitta's 6 catches were for less than 5 yards. He had one catch for 39 yards. (1-39 and 5-23) I'm not about to ride Pittas jock. Nor am I about to ride Dickson. The fact remains that they are both solid and this talk about starting Pitta over Dickson is assanine. As a sidenote, I would say the same thing if Pitta was the starter and Dickson had this conversation going. Bottom line, accept the fact that they are both great and neither separates himself to be the outlandish "starter."

The fact that there is this entourage of characters looking at me to be the idiot astounds me. This is the biggest groupthink conversation I've ever seen. It seems that Militant is the only one that actually reads and comprehends what I write even if he doesn't 100% agree. I can respect factual disagreement. Never-the-less, you have your opinions I have facts.

I will stick to the fact that a good play design can get players wideopen (Pitta's catch this weekend was by great design.) You bring up how he caught the 39 yard pass. Yes he did and it was 1000% BY PLAY DESIGN THAT HE GOT THAT OPEN! It was a play action on 3 and 1 that froze the linebackers and Pitta was WIDEOPEN! So as much as you like to make me look like the idiot facts are facts! Anyone that says that play design (and scheme) can't get someone wideopen has a football IQ of 10.

We saw Pitta couldn't do much with the short passes because he was completely blanketed (not his fault). His touchdown catch was a great call because they were in zone, and Pitta gave Flacco room to throw. The underneath coverage went to T. Smith and the safety recognized the play too late. Proving once again that play design CAN (usually) get players in the open. Pitta is an outstanding TE and so is Dickson. Neither DESERVES to be starting over the other. Whoever is there starting is starting.

You all who are trying to say I'm new, and I'm an idiot, and Pitta should start over Dickson can swallow the facts. Being "new" to a forum means squat. Just because you may disagree doesn't make me the idiot unless you can disprove the facts as not being adequate. Which you can't! Combine their stats into one and they make up 5th best Tight End in the game (yds). It doesn't matter who "starts" the game. It matters what you do in between the 60 minutes.
[/quote]
[color=#222222][font=Arial][size=2][color=#222222][font=Arial][size="3"]Boy, it sounds like someone got their underwear in a buddle. The majority of us that are pushing for Pitta to start is not knock on you or Dickson. We would just like to see what Pitta can do if he gets the start? Who knows San Diego, maybe Pitta will get even better and Dickson may shine more as a backup. It might at least put a little fire under Dickson to not drop the ball. I think Pitta has a least earned the right to start. [/size][/font][/color][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#222222][font=Arial][size=2][color=#222222][font=Arial][size="3"]You go back and look at what Cam does at the start of every game and he starts Dickson but never brings Pitta in until after the first series no matter what. Why I can't figure. So San Diego, if you truly don't think it matters who starts then instead of criticizing those of us who would like to see Pitta start stop worrying about it since as you say it doesn’t matter. Are beef isn’t with you it’s with Cam. [/size][/font][/color][/size][/font][/color]

[Radinho84]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1325877182' post='936625']
Sometimes I wonder how Dickson was rated as a better prospect than Pitta, it's not as if Dickson is a better blocker.
[/quote]
that maybe because dickson is the way better athlete. he has vontae davis kind of speed. he is physical freak. pitta is a sure handed guy like witten or dallas clark but he isn´t as fast as dickson and not that kind of field stretching tight end. he is more of the 3rd down go to guy. i don´t get that whole discussion anyway. it does´t matter which one starts. they both got to see the field in a game. and i think we use them pretty good....

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1325877182' post='936625']
Sometimes I wonder how Dickson was rated as a better prospect than Pitta, it's not as if Dickson is a better blocker.
[/quote]


Age had a huge part to do with it. People seem to have a hard time drafting older players, maybe it's because they think their NFL careers will be shorter or there is less room for growth (i.e. Pitta has 4 years on Dickson, so imagine what Dickson would be at Pitta's age, that sort of thing). But from what I remember, a lot of draft sites had Pitta rated in the 3rd or 4th round, but most expected he'd slip due to his age.

[SanDiegan Raven]

[quote name='Rogerdat' timestamp='1325902777' post='936927']
[color=#222222][font=Arial][size=2][color=#222222][font=Arial][size=3]Boy, it sounds like someone got their underwear in a buddle. The majority of us that are pushing for Pitta to start is not knock on you or Dickson. We would just like to see what Pitta can do if he gets the start? Who knows San Diego, maybe Pitta will get even better and Dickson may shine more as a backup. It might at least put a little fire under Dickson to not drop the ball. I think Pitta has a least earned the right to start. [/size][/font][/color][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#222222][font=Arial][size=2][color=#222222][font=Arial][size=3]You go back and look at what Cam does at the start of every game and he starts Dickson but never brings Pitta in until after the first series no matter what. Why I can't figure. So San Diego, if you truly don't think it matters who starts then instead of criticizing those of us who would like to see Pitta start stop worrying about it since as you say it doesn’t matter. Are beef isn’t with you it’s with Cam. [/size][/font][/color][/size][/font][/color]
[/quote]
Aight, I'll respect that approach. If you search the thread a little further there have been FEW balanced approaches. Your argument is sound. As for the select few idiots I dare not speak the same.

[flynismo]

[quote name='SanDiegan Raven' timestamp='1326135230' post='941111']
Aight, I'll respect that approach. If you search the thread a little further there have been FEW balanced approaches. Your argument is sound. As for the select few idiots I dare not speak the same.
[/quote]


I love how you cried about the "idiot" label, when nobody even called you one, but here you are STILL insulting people.

And for the record, it is hard to take anyone seriously when they say "aight".

[SanDiegan Raven]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1325871026' post='936469']

Talk about homerism! Dude, we are not nearly as talented on offense as NO. The only place we even compete is at OL and RB and tbh their 4 headed RB attack has been just as effective as Rice/Williams. Rice would be the best RB out of the group, but they use all 3 or 4 (when healthy) extremely well. At WR we arent even close to as talented as the Saints, and our 2 TE's combined cant come close to the production of Jimmy Graham. I think if we had a better OC our guys would have better stats, but thats just conjecture.

Now that was off-topic, and I agree with your point to an extent. I dont want to see Dickson kicked to the curb. I think he has a lot of talent is a better run-blocker. However, in the passing game Pitta has proven to be the more consistent player. I dont necessarily care who is labeled as the "starter" but Pitta should receive at least 50% of targets at TE in the passing game, probably more considering what he has done when given the opportunity.
[/quote]

Heres the problem. I see the talent of our players and I see greatness hindered by mediocrity of coaching. You see our lack of production from poor coaching and say we're not talented. Have you seen Tandon Doss, Williams, Smith, and Reed play? These guys can play ball when given the opportunity and put in position to make plays. At least your conjecture is accurate.

As far as Pitta, I don't really care anymore. The only problem I have is with people calling for more time for Pitta because Dickson isn't good enough to them, or because he dropped a few passes. If people are calling for Pitta because he's a good player and want to see him on the field I'm 100% ok with that, but there are a few people in here calling for Pitta because they feel Dickson doesn't produce enough. Nevermind the fact that his speed stretches the field whether he is targeted or not. Pitta was open underneath last game because they had to respect Dickson on deeper crossing routes. I know some idiot is going to argue against that before he watches the tape but oh well. Fact is fact! Don't comment until you watch the game again.

[SanDiegan Raven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326135655' post='941114']


I love how you cried about the "idiot" label, when nobody even called you one, but here you are STILL insulting people.

And for the record, it is hard to take anyone seriously when they say "aight".
[/quote]

You're a Richard! (figure it out!)

[SanDiegan Raven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1326135655' post='941114']


I love how you cried about the "idiot" label, when nobody even called you one, but here you are STILL insulting people.

And for the record, it is hard to take anyone seriously when they say "aight".
[/quote]
You really are a donkey. Your little profile smerk makes me see you even more as an arrogant cocky [profanity deleted]. I have no respect for you and you have no respect for me. We'll keep it that way. Aight!

[Moderator 3]

Alright you two (and you both know who I mean), knock it off or you're both going on 'vacation' for a while. We're in the playoffs now. We don't have time for that stuff.

[PurpleReign92]

Dickson is taking pressure off of Pitta and Pitta is performing.....

[reediddy]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1326174853' post='941893']
Dickson is taking pressure off of Pitta and Pitta is performing.....
[/quote]

Right. I don't mind who is considered "starting" as long as they are used effectively in the gameplan, to be honest. And the way they have been playing recently, Pitta and Dickson should be considered a top tier TE tandem in the league, second only to Gronknandez