Time To Start Pitta

[The Raven]

[quote name='SanDiegan Raven' timestamp='1325538166' post='932142']

Then it sounds like to me that you feel that the Ravens just aren't talented enough? Honestly, I don't know why I waste my time with people like you. How in the world can you defend the scheme!? Everybody in the world sees that the reason we don't have a premier offense is because of Cam. However, that is the way the Ravens wanted it. They wanted someone with a history of good rushing offense. Well, you get that in Cam. That's about all you get. The proof is in Ray Rice and LT.


[b]Is this a joke? Schemes can easily be defended. That's what's called "gameplanning" All teams do it. And Cam doesn't MAKE Rice and the oline great.[/b]


After all the complaining about the Pitta and Dickson I think it was evident yesterday. Dickson is more athletic ( and still has good hands) and Pitta is not as mobile but outstanding hands. The screens to Pitta were great to see but I would have preferred Dickson to catch those. I like Pitta downfield because he's surehanded (agreed). Never the less I HAVE NO COMPLAINTS it is simply a preference. We have two outstanding TEs and it was great to see them both utilized!

[b]We have proven with combine stats that they are at least just as athletic. Also, I thought after his dominant performance yesterday it would be obvious that he's better.[/b]


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They both should see the field though. Having those two out there at the same time is too much for any defense. Boldin, Torrey, Pitta, Dickson, Rice? Wow. That's scary.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325540451' post='932201']

They both should see the field though. Having those two out there at the same time is too much for any defense. Boldin, Torrey, Pitta, Dickson, Rice? Wow. That's scary.
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Well yeah it would be. For some reason though, we rarely see them both on the field. I can probably count on one hand the number of times we've run 2 TE sets. We have all the tools. Joe has the talent. Yes, the receiving corps has had some big drops but really, with the talent on this team what could be the issue here? I'm not sure it is even really ALL the play calling itself as the predictability of the plays called. And when the game plan fails, it seems Cam is unable to make any adjustments in-game or even at half time. We just come out doing the same old thing even when the first half proves we're getting nowhere.

Wasn't hating on Dickson. Dude is going to be a beast for us no doubt. Just needs to work on his hands. Right now though, for our playoff run, Pitta has proven he needs to see those chances. He is clutch.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1325550332' post='932482']

Well yeah it would be. For some reason though, we rarely see them both on the field. I can probably count on one hand the number of times we've run 2 TE sets. We have all the tools. Joe has the talent. Yes, the receiving corps has had some big drops but really, with the talent on this team what could be the issue here? I'm not sure it is even really ALL the play calling itself as the predictability of the plays called. And when the game plan fails, it seems Cam is unable to make any adjustments in-game or even at half time. We just come out doing the same old thing even when the first half proves we're getting nowhere.

Wasn't hating on Dickson. Dude is going to be a beast for us no doubt. Just needs to work on his hands. Right now though, for our playoff run, Pitta has proven he needs to see those chances. He is clutch.
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Pitta and Dickson are both going to be great receivers. Injuries wore Heap down over the years. Having 2 viable options is what makes our team better than before. I like the 2 TE sets. Also, ​Torrey Smith looked good catching the short passes yesterday. The only one that didn't shine was Evans. What a disappointment after all the hype. I know that we had success throwing long, but teams are ready for us. The opportunity will arise for the deep ball in the playoffs. I'd much rather see the post pattern passes thrown to Smith than Evans.

[cursona pirate]

every week he gets more amazing... lol
PITTA is a CHAMP! he is going to be a great TE just like Heap and maybe just maybe even better. Yes better than Heap.

[flynismo]

[quote name='SanDiegan Raven' timestamp='1325538166' post='932142']
Then it sounds like to me that you feel that the Ravens just aren't talented enough?
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What? Where in the world did you pull that from? What I said actually implied the exact opposite.

[quote name='SanDiegan Raven' timestamp='1325538166' post='932142']
Honestly, I don't know why I waste my time with people like you. How in the world can you defend the scheme!?
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Well, I am not going to waste my time debating our offense when you fail to understand the simplest of concepts.

Happy New Year

[Rogerdat]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1325523501' post='931842']
I agree to a certain extent, but Brady or the OC aren't the ones bulldozing over players.
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Very good point, but how do we know Pitta or Dickson couldn't do the same thing if they were targeted as much as Gronk is. Gronk played one year of college being the primary receiver at UofA and didn't catch as many passes as Pitta who was BYU's second sometimes third option. He had back surgery then entered the draft. He refused to run the 40, or any of the shuttle drills and I can only assume why. The dude is a monster no doubt, but unless Pitta and Dickson get the chances and the offensive imagination Gronk is afforded there is no way to tell.

[Alexir]

Our whole offense should be about the 2 tight end offense. I've always said that the 2 most athletic positions on the football field are Tight Ends and Safeties. Both of which can cause mismatch problems.

[SanDiegan Raven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1325560741' post='932743']

What? Where in the world did you pull that from? What I said actually implied the exact opposite.


Well, I am not going to waste my time debating our offense when you fail to understand the simplest of concepts.

Happy New Year
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You probably can't even define concept. Go on about your day. Your ignorance gives fans a bad name. Later!

[SanDiegan Raven]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325540451' post='932201']

They both should see the field though. Having those two out there at the same time is too much for any defense. Boldin, Torrey, Pitta, Dickson, Rice? Wow. That's scary.
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You don't read very well. The question isn't asking if schemes can be defended but asking how can YOU defend the fact that we have a horrible scheme. As far as Pitta goes, I wouldn't exactly call it "dominant". He caught a few screen passes. Dickson caught some monster catches too! You are blindly in love with Pitta. I don't know why you can't accept the fact that they're too excellent TEs and they have different skillsets. Dickson drops 2 balls in a game (1 on 3rd down) and all of a sudden he has a history of not being dependable. You and everyone that believes Dickson should be benched or lose time to Pitta need to go somewhere! I'm done.

[codizzle]

[quote name='SanDiegan Raven' timestamp='1325571970' post='932946']

You probably can't even define concept. Go on about your day. Your ignorance gives fans a bad name. Later!
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Ur new and all so i did nothin but chuckle.. But anywho.. Fly knows what he is talking about..

No need for anyone to get bent outta shape

[redrum52]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1325348252' post='927461']
I don't care about 40 yard times, to me the eyeball test says Dickson is more explosive but Pitta is more fluid.
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True. And the combine is not always accurate. Had the combine been the end all be all Suggs might not be on this team due to his poor performance in the 40. Also, didn't Vernon Gholston kill the combine? Where is he now? The drops might be a problem for Dickson now but he is getting open just needs to focus more. Those numbers also don't say how many of those passes were uncatchable. I am a Pittance fan but that doesn't mean I think Dickson should see less time, just find a way to work Pitta in more.

Sorry for being so long but the guy speaking abiut play design getting people open is right. He also never said talent didn't matter. But a good OC should be drawing up plays that will get people open or using formations to take advantage of defenses weaknesses. One thing we should all be able to agree on is CAN CAM!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='SanDiegan Raven' timestamp='1325571970' post='932946']
You probably can't even define concept. Go on about your day.  Your ignorance gives fans a bad name. Later!
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hee hee....you're a funny little fella!

[jdynamite]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1324921575' post='923137']




Actually I think he is Hispanic, but that's even better! I can't think of any other successful Hispanic TE currently playing, so maybe Pitta can start a new trend.
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Not sure how he fits in technically lol but Tony Gonzales is all I can think of

[jdynamite]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1325524207' post='931858']


Cam: blueberry swing hold the bacon 49 fly omelette split right 529 maple syrup waggle.... GO!!

Flacco: what the heck!!!
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Flacco responds awww man we went back to the IHop play sheet, someone put a Denny's menu in my locker lol.

[jdynamite]

Who is starting at TE is a mere formality IMO. I believe we should start the game with double TE sets and incorporate it more into the arsenal to exploit the middle of the field.... For whatever reason we rarely run effecient 3 WR sets, line those TEs up in slot put them in motion and create mismatches.....

[flynismo]

[quote name='SanDiegan Raven' timestamp='1325571970' post='932946']
You probably can't even define concept. Go on about your day. Your ignorance gives fans a bad name. Later!
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Wow, that was so witty! The guy who doesn't know how to defend a scheme thinks I am the stupid one... to borrow a line from MilitantX -- smh!

[jdynamite]

Dickson does have tremendous potential with is athletic ability, but he seems to lack the focus and toughness ( to take a hit ) like a TE at times.... I mean that really does bother me to see a TE get hit by a CB and drop the pass, but these days Recieving TEs lack toughness of traditional TEs. Back in week 2 when Finnegan nailed Dickson and he dropped pass over the middle I was surprised to see that drop, ( if a LB or SS lays the hit ala R.Lewis vs Dustin Keller ) it's acceptable.....
Regular dropped passes the only reason I'm
Not as critical on Dickson about these is because it's been an illness for this team this year even Boldin has dropped a lot of passes.....

I've seen Dickson do similar thing that Torrey smith does. Make a spectacular catch then drop an easy one that could have lead to first down with YAC.... ( which has my jaw on floor).

[jdynamite]

Suggs loves Pitta..

[1/28/01]

Hilarious!

[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-avzsncfp4Go/TdEPVHnyzGI/AAAAAAAAJWs/kdV_44wHJDc/s400/Luke-Wilson.jpg[/img]

[codizzle]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325607684' post='933234']
Hilarious!

[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-avzsncfp4Go/TdEPVHnyzGI/AAAAAAAAJWs/kdV_44wHJDc/s400/Luke-Wilson.jpg[/img]
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Epic!

[img]http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x337/codyallanb14/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3762.jpg[/img]

[Ravenslifer]

People keep mentioning the combine, but I think everyone forgets the biggest thing that killed Pitta was his age. People don't like drafting 25 year old rookies (unless you're the Eagles). Had he been Dickson's age he might have been a 3rd round pick.

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1325601600' post='933072']
Dickson does have tremendous potential with is athletic ability, but he seems to lack the focus and toughness ( to take a hit ) like a TE at times.... I mean that really does bother me to see a TE get hit by a CB and drop the pass, but these days Recieving TEs lack toughness of traditional TEs. Back in week 2 when Finnegan nailed Dickson and he dropped pass over the middle I was surprised to see that drop, ( if a LB or SS lays the hit ala R.Lewis vs Dustin Keller ) it's acceptable.....
Regular dropped passes the only reason I'm
Not as critical on Dickson about these is because it's been an illness for this team this year even Boldin has dropped a lot of passes.....

I've seen Dickson do similar thing that Torrey smith does. Make a spectacular catch then drop an easy one that could have lead to first down with YAC.... ( which has my jaw on floor).
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He looked pretty tough on that catch he made last Sunday.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1325608106' post='933244']
Epic!
[img]http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x337/codyallanb14/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_3762.jpg[/img]
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The resemblance to Suggs in uncanny!

[The Raven]

[quote name='SanDiegan Raven' timestamp='1325572231' post='932950']

You don't read very well. The question isn't asking if schemes can be defended but asking how can YOU defend the fact that we have a horrible scheme. As far as Pitta goes, I wouldn't exactly call it "dominant". He caught a few screen passes. Dickson caught some monster catches too! You are blindly in love with Pitta. I don't know why you can't accept the fact that they're too excellent TEs and they have different skillsets. Dickson drops 2 balls in a game (1 on 3rd down) and all of a sudden he has a history of not being dependable. You and everyone that believes Dickson should be benched or lose time to Pitta need to go somewhere! I'm done.
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He caught a few screens? Yeah, okay. I'm just going to ignore you said that. Thats just flat out wrong. Was his TD on a screen? What about that monster 30 yarder? Uhuh. Thats not a screen. Didn't he also get a slant? I only remember one screen, maybe two. Dickson has had a issue with drops all year, everyone else sees that.

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1325577450' post='932967']
True. And the combine is not always accurate. Had the combine been the end all be all Suggs might not be on this team due to his poor performance in the 40. Also, didn't Vernon Gholston kill the combine? Where is he now? The drops might be a problem for Dickson now but he is getting open just needs to focus more. Those numbers also don't say how many of those passes were uncatchable. I am a Pittance fan but that doesn't mean I think Dickson should see less time, just find a way to work Pitta in more.

Sorry for being so long but the guy speaking abiut play design getting people open is right. He also never said talent didn't matter. But a good OC should be drawing up plays that will get people open or using formations to take advantage of defenses weaknesses. One thing we should all be able to agree on is CAN CAM!
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While everything you said is true, the debate involving the combine had to do with athleticism, not being a good football player. The combine displays a players athleticism, but in the case of Gholston among others, athleticism does not directly relate to the field

while this is true, plays should be designed to take advantages of a defenses weakness, that doesn't mean that the play will automatically make a player open. Thats redonculous.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Crabcakes&Football' timestamp='1325609783' post='933294']

He looked pretty tough on that catch he made last Sunday.
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Lets be real, that was probably the toughest catch he's made this season.

It was a SICK catch though, I'm not gonna dispute that.

[PurpleCorsair]

[quote name='Mick0311' timestamp='1325457395' post='929143']
I think we have the answer to this one. Pitta is beasting on the Bengals. Love it. Dragging defenders, taking hits and holding on, tough catches in the endzone... kid is a monster.
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Pitta got a lot of work because the wind kind of took away the deep ball. Heck Flacco was even going underneath to Torrey (lol wut)

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1325525525' post='931885']
Flacco: yells timeout..
Rice: what's up bro?
Flacco: he's got the ihop menu out again.. Just give him a second
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Somebody please make a gif of this.

[codizzle]

[quote name='PurpleCorsair' timestamp='1325620988' post='933601']


Pitta got a lot of work because the wind kind of took away the deep ball. Heck Flacco was even going underneath to Torrey (lol wut)



Somebody please make a gif of this.
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Oh if I had the ability lol.. Dont think my iPhone is that advanced yet ha

[codizzle]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325620892' post='933596']


Lets be real, that was probably the toughest catch he's made this season.

It was a SICK catch though, I'm not gonna dispute that.
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That mod 3 avatar catch was pretty sick too

[gabefergy]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325620892' post='933596']

Lets be real, that was probably the toughest catch he's made this season.

It was a SICK catch though, I'm not gonna dispute that.
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Dickson has had quite a few tough catches this season, but at moments he has lapses in concentration and drops easy balls. Thats the difference between Pitta and Dickson in my mind, Dennis is just more reliable and [i]always [/i]makes the catch if its anywhere close to catchable. I cant say the same about Dickson.

[display name]

At first I liked Ed Dickson more, but with all the drops and then Pitta's outstanding play I have to agree.