Time To Start Pitta

[Jamal]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1325265289' post='926868']
It doesn't matter who "starts". Both of them will see a significant amount of time on the field.
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But Dickson has plays specifically for him, and its rarely done for Pitta.

Pitta is also used for blocking a lot more even though both of them are pretty equal in their blocking abilities.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1325268113' post='926901']
But Dickson has plays specifically for him, and its rarely done for Pitta.

[b]Pitta is also used for blocking a lot more even though both of them are pretty equal in their blocking abilities.[/b]
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Really? To me it seems like Dickson is in more often as a run-blocker lined up in a traditional TE slot, and I think he is a little bigger and stronger in the the running game. I see Pitta more often on passing-downs sometimes flexed out in the slot. Pitta is also used more often in pass-blocking, where he will shift back into kind of an H-back to help pick up a blitz.

Honestly, I really like both of our TEs and yeah I would probably like to see Pitta used as a pass-catcher a bit more than Dickson. He does have better hands and he seems to run good routes as well. They are both good EZ threats as well. More Diesel IMO.

[Jamal]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1325269864' post='926931']
Really? To me it seems like Dickson is in more often as a run-blocker lined up in a traditional TE slot, and I think he is a little bigger and stronger in the the running game. I see Pitta more often on passing-downs sometimes flexed out in the slot. Pitta is also used more often in pass-blocking, where he will shift back into kind of an H-back to help pick up a blitz.

Honestly, I really like both of our TEs and yeah I would probably like to see Pitta used as a pass-catcher a bit more than Dickson. He does have better hands and he seems to run good routes as well. They are both good EZ threats as well. More Diesel IMO.
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I meant pass-blocking.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1325273735' post='926973']
I meant pass-blocking.
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Gotcha, and I agree.

[Milton145]

Well Dickson gets more looks than Pitta because he provides more of a big play threat which is what our offense is built around. He's faster and more athletic. Basically same reason why Torrey starts over Doss even though many of you called Doss "the more polished receiver" between the 2. This offense is built around big plays so we try to get the players on the field that fit that criteria. Dickson has it over Pitta.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1325277971' post='927039']
Well Dickson gets more looks than Pitta because he provides more of a big play threat which is what our offense is built around. He's faster and more athletic. Basically same reason why Torrey starts over Doss even though many of you called Doss "the more polished receiver" between the 2. This offense is built around big plays so we try to get the players on the field that fit that criteria. Dickson has it over Pitta.
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But big plays aren't always necessary or the difference in a game. Take last week's game against the Browns. All the offense needed was a few conversions and some field goals to put the game completely out of reach. For all of his athleticism, Dickson couldn't handle two passes that would have extended drives and possibly led to points. Meanwhile, Pitta didn't even have a pass thrown his way(I read he was actually open on one of the plays Joe went to Ed on).

[The Raven]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1325277971' post='927039']
Well Dickson gets more looks than Pitta because he provides more of a big play threat which is what our offense is built around. He's faster and more athletic. Basically same reason why Torrey starts over Doss even though many of you called Doss "the more polished receiver" between the 2. This offense is built around big plays so we try to get the players on the field that fit that criteria. Dickson has it over Pitta.
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Look up the combine stats buddy. Men lie, women lie, numbers dont. And based on the combine, Pitta is more athletic. If you're gonna try and make a point have facts ready. In fact, the combine stats have even been posted in this topic, so it's really bizarre that you still think Dickson is "more athletic".

Also, big plays mean nothing when you cant catch. Ya know, I guess Dickson is a big play threat, drops are a pretty big play.

[MLGWL20]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325278939' post='927055']


Look up the combine stats buddy. Men lie, women lie, numbers dont. And based on the combine, Pitta is more athletic. If you're gonna try and make a point have facts ready. In fact, the combine stats have even been posted in this topic, so it's really bizarre that you still think Dickson is "more athletic".

Also, big plays mean nothing when you cant catch. Ya know, I guess Dickson is a big play threat, drops are a pretty big play.
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I could give a crap about the combine, just watching them Dickson is way more athletic. And about the drops y'all make it out to be that Dickson has the worst hand ever and Pitta is Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitz. They both can make the catches Ed has just dropped a few he's still the better option at TE.

I do want more 2 TE sets with both cause Pitta is dope as hell but Dickson needs like 60-65% of the snaps/targets.

He's the next Gates and Pitta is the next Heap, and I'd rather have Gates than Heap. People are just stuck on their love of Heap so Pitta makes them like he's back and they're blind to the fact that Dickson is the better option.

If Dickson cuts the drops out he's an perennial allpro TE

[The Raven]

[quote name='MLGWL20' timestamp='1325282007' post='927110']
I could give a crap about the combine, just watching them Dickson is way more athletic. And about the drops y'all make it out to be that Dickson has the worst hand ever and Pitta is Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitz. They both can make the catches Ed has just dropped a few he's still the better option at TE.

I do want more 2 TE sets with both cause Pitta is dope as hell but Dickson needs like 60-65% of the snaps/targets.

He's the next Gates and Pitta is the next Heap, and I'd rather have Gates than Heap. People are just stuck on their love of Heap so Pitta makes them like he's back and they're blind to the fact that Dickson is the better option.

If Dickson cuts the drops out he's an perennial allprowl TE
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Could give a crap about the combine? It doesn't mean that much from a football sense but if you think that it isn't efficient at determining a players athleticism at the very least then your just delusional. What, are you just defiant that Pitta is quite possibly more athletic than Dickson? Numbers don't lie.

Drops can kill a team. A drop ended our season last year. Remember that? Housh dropping a first down catch against the Steelers? What about Clayton dropping that pass against the Patriots? Remember that? In a close game, wouldn't you want someone who can catch? Ed CAN make the catches, but Pitta DOES make them.

This statement is just stupid. Ignorant. We're stuck on the fact that we want Heap back? How much sense does that really make? And lets look at it this way, if we only like Pitta because he remidns us of Heap, isn't that a good thing? You know, considering Heap was a great player for us, it's only natural that we'd like a tight end to remind us of him, right? That makes sense, does it not?
However, that's not why we like Pitta more. We like Pitta more because he's clutch, and doesn't drop 3rd down passes. Dickson dropped TWO 3rd down passes last week. Because of him, we had to punt. And guess what? Cribbs took it to the house.

How are we blind to the fact the Dickson is clearly the better option? What makes him better? The supposed athleticism? Evidenced by Pitta doing better than him in every combine category IIRC? What maes him clearly better. Enlighten me, with facts please. Not opinions.

Perennial all pro, huh? Perennial all pro tight ends don't have 53 catches for 508 yards. Sure, he has the TDs, but 508 yards? Hardly a an all pro tight end.

[Rogerdat]

[size=3][color=#222222][font=Arial]Pro Bowler, I couldn't have said it any better. And [b]MLGWL20[/b] I do watch and I do see a more athletic Pitta than I do Dickson. I also know that the NFL scouts[i][b] "give a crap" [/b][/i]about the combine results, that's why they do these certain events. If Dickson was truly, as you say, [i][b]"way more athletic"[/b][/i] than Pitta, than why didn't the dude show up for the combine? Dickson didn't even finish first in any of the events. Matter of fact he had major issues even catching the balls thrown at him while Pitta didn't miss one. (Sounds like a common theme). Don't take my word for it, go to youtube and watch and listen to the combine yourself. [/font][/color][/size]

[size=3][color=#222222][font=Arial]The commentators raved about Pitta's hands and get this MLGWL20, [i][b]his athletic ability[/b][/i]. If you would like to stay in your Dickson more athletic dream world be my guest but as Pro Bowler has stated, facts and stats don't lie and you have no facts or stats to based your opinion on. You only have your love for a guy who is a very good tight end but seems to have a knack for dropping the ball. Being athletic also means catching the balls thrown to you, soft hands, not afraid to take a hit and so on. Even his own Oregon newspaper talked about his p[color=#222222][font=Arial]ropensity to short arm, in other words alligator arm the football. [/font][/color]Since there are no facts to base your argument that Dickson is more athletic and the better tight end, many Raven fans are merely asking that Pitta get a shot to start and be targeted more. Not sure why anyone wouldn't mind trying something to jump start this offense. [/font][/color][/size]

[BloodRaven]

I don't care about 40 yard times, to me the eyeball test says Dickson is more explosive but Pitta is more fluid.

[EdReedFTW]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1325348252' post='927461']
I don't care about 40 yard times, to me the eyeball test says Dickson is more explosive but Pitta is more fluid.
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That may actually be the best way to put it. We've known since they were drafted that Pitta's strength is his ability to find and exploit soft spots in the zone. He's a smooth technician. Dickson's routes for the most part have been "go deep down the field" where he needs to use his raw speed to burn people and then use his size to box out defenders.

[Mick0311]

I think we have the answer to this one. Pitta is beasting on the Bengals. Love it. Dragging defenders, taking hits and holding on, tough catches in the endzone... kid is a monster.

[flynismo]

Like I was saying ....
TIME TO START PITTA!

[ghost1986]

And like I said Pitta is tied with Boldin for best hands on the team. But you have to give Dickson credit. He did it right today. Both TE's did their jobs and astounded me.

[SirPainsalot]

Love how Dickson did an amazing job on blocking for Ray Rice and Pitta did an amazing job making explosive plays.
Pretty much the opposite of what we expected. Sort've vice versa.

[H8R]

Pitta delivered, AGAIN!

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1325465225' post='930592']
And like I said Pitta is tied with Boldin for best hands on the team. But you have to give Dickson credit. He did it right today. Both TE's did their jobs and astounded me.
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Not tied in my opinion. I think it's pretty clear cut who has the best hands on the team.

[Ed_Reed20]

It doesn't matter who starts. Pitta just needs to be worked in more.

[H8R]

[quote name='ghost1986' timestamp='1325465225' post='930592']
And like I said Pitta is tied with Boldin for best hands on the team. But you have to give Dickson credit. He did it right today. Both TE's did their jobs and astounded me.
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Boldins hands aren't that consistent anymore, sadly.

[UMDan]

Pitta was terrific today. I think he needs to stay in Baltimore for a long time, hopefully he can be the next Heap.

[Gordo52]

[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/bowdownsmiley.gif[/img] Pitta

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='UMDan' timestamp='1325466290' post='930683']
Pitta was terrific today. I think he needs to stay in Baltimore for a long time, [u][b]hopefully he can be the next Heap[/b][/u].
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Nooooo! hopefully he'll be the first Dennis Pitta...Ravens TE. lol

~Mili

[ravensdfan]

I think today Pitta put an explanation point to this thread.

The argument is over and today, Pitta won.

[The Raven]

Pitta is beast.

But I give credit where credit is due; Ed had a good catch today. I thought he was gonna drop it but he didn't, Good job man.'

Still like Pitta more though. He tore it up today

[Neil]

Start whichever one you like, so long as they're both on the field.

[Ravenslifer]

Pitta needs to start in the playoffs. The chemistry between Pitta and Flacco is just too good right now for this guy to be out at any point in the game.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1325467103' post='930730']
Pitta needs to start in the playoffs. The chemistry between Pitta and Flacco is just too good right now for this guy to be out at any point in the game.
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Exactly. Flacco has chemistry with Pitta. Flacco trusts Pitta, and Pitta is very dependable. Sure hands, and as we saw today, he is a strong dude.

[1/28/01]

That catch by Dickson was insane. How he caught and held onto that I'll never know!!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325468862' post='930850']
That catch by Dickson was insane. How he caught and held onto that I'll never know!!
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Agreed. But, it says something about his performance lately that I was amazed he held onto the ball.

I like Dickson. I think both of these guys are great, for different reasons. I too think both of them should be on the field. I truly think we are a very lucky team to have both of these guys around.