Who Will Our New Qb Be ?

[RivenHale]

[quote name='RavenFanatic1327' timestamp='1324874390' post='922909']
i mean all yall laughing..but i seriously believe if we dont get to a superbowl this year..and if flacco doesnt show p in the playoffs..i think es out..i really doo.
[/quote]

Absolutely zero possibility of Joe being gone next year, unless a healthy Peyton Manning showed up at Ozzie's doorstep and was like, "Let's go." Joe is our guy for the rest of this year and AT LEAST the rest of his contract, which expires after next year. Period. If you want him gone, you're going to have to ride it out and see how he does, but Ozzie is NOT getting rid of him now.

[K-Dog]

Door?

[jaege]

[quote name='RavenFanatic1327' timestamp='1324874390' post='922909']
i mean all yall laughing..but i seriously believe if we dont get to a superbowl this year..and if flacco doesnt show p in the playoffs..i think es out..i really doo.
[/quote]


How could anyone release a QB that has aided the team in getting to the playoffs for his first four years in a row? That is insane. I am just afraid that the FO will have as hard a time getting rid of CC, due to the four playoff seasons.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1324873771' post='922905']


Not with this fanbase though. Seems like everybody writes off the good Flacco does as either good or the product of other players, the defense etc. I can't tell you how many people I've met that still seem to think that if Marc Bulger had started last year we would have won the Superbowl. The funny thing is a lot of other fans I know, like Redskins fans and Eagles fans, are totally jealous of us having Flacco, especially the Redskins fans.
[/quote]

I think that's the nature of most fan bases. You want to have your mind blown? Go check out San Diego Charger forums. They think Cam Cameron is awesome. I mean, these guys would take him in a heartbeat.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1324873771' post='922905']


Not with this fanbase though. Seems like everybody writes off the good Flacco does as either good or the product of other players, the defense etc. I can't tell you how many people I've met that still seem to think that if Marc Bulger had started last year we would have won the Superbowl. The funny thing is a lot of other fans I know, like Redskins fans and Eagles fans, are totally jealous of us having Flacco, [b]especially the Redskins fans.[/b]
[/quote]
I don't know about that. Redskins fans hate the Ravens and many of them dislike Flacco in particular.

[eandb17]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1324794538' post='922163']
For the record I think Flacco is our franchise QB. Wile I will admit he is not perfect (and who is ) I think he is by far the best the Ravens have ever had, and is a leader for our team.

BUT since so many of you think I am wrong and think Flacco should be cut.
WHO will be our starting QB next year?
How will we obtain this player?
and why do you think this player is significantly better than Joe Flacco?
I want facts not opinions, and dont even start with that "They show more emotion mumbo jumbo " screaming like a banshee doesnt win games. I want facts.

If you cant answer all three questions then shut up with the whole "cut Flacco" stuff.
[/quote]
A few options here...
-Jason Campell
-Kyle Oron
-Ryan Aplin (Rookie...Absolute Beast)
-David Garrard
AND THE BEST
-Kyle Boller [url="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/index.php?&app=forums&module=extras&section=legends#"][/url]

[RivenHale]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1324876020' post='922932']
Door?
[/quote]

I have no idea why I typed "door", but I apparently had doors on the brain right there.

[JaxFlaccoFan]

This is the QB class drafted in 2008. Other than Ryan, who on this list would you have preferred we drafted over Flacco? I think the Ravens made a pretty wise choice.

Ryan (Starter)
Flacco (Starter)
Brohm (Not on active roster)
Henne (Injured, former starter)
O'Connell (Backup)
Booty (Not on active roster)
Ainge (Not on active roster)
Dixon (Backup)
Johnson (Backup)
Woodson (Not on active roster)
Brennan (Not on active roster)
Flynn (Backup)

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='JaxFlaccoFan' timestamp='1324901085' post='922976']
This is the QB class drafted in 2008. Other than Ryan, who on this list would you have preferred we drafted over Flacco? I think the Ravens made a pretty wise choice.

Ryan (Starter)
Flacco (Starter)
[b]Brohm (Not on active roster)[/b]
Henne (Injured, former starter)
O'Connell (Backup)
Booty (Not on active roster)
Ainge (Not on active roster)
Dixon (Backup)
Johnson (Backup)
Woodson (Not on active roster)
Brennan (Not on active roster)
Flynn (Backup)
[/quote]


I remember when the Packers drafted Brohm, and Merril Hodge said it "wouldn't surprise him" if Brohm beat out Rodgers' as Favre's backup.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1324876478' post='922939']
I don't know about that. Redskins fans hate the Ravens and many of them dislike Flacco in particular.[/quote]

Not the ones I work with. They have a bad case of Flacco-envy.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='RavenFanatic1327' timestamp='1324874390' post='922909']
i mean all yall laughing..but i seriously believe if we dont get to a superbowl this year..and if flacco doesnt show p in the playoffs..i think es out..i really doo.
[/quote]

What makes you think that?

[Tank 92]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1324865169' post='922818']

And I still worry more about the offense than I do the defense. Sometimes shootouts occur in the NFL ... instead of rising to the occasion, our offense went away completely. The "they didn't have a chance to play" line doesn't fit the game that was played. I think people remember more what they felt than what they saw. Lets look at that Chargers game one more time.

[b]First Half[/b]

Score: 7-17 ... Time of Possession: Balt - 14:21 / SD - 15:39

Big difference: Missed FG on first series by Baltimore. Also, after SD kicks FG to go up 7-10, the Balt offense comes on and runs 6 plays for 16 yards and punts it away. Still, only down by 10 points.

[b]Second Half[/b]

Final: 14-34 ... Time of Possession: Balt - 11:25 / SD - 18:35

Here is where people say, "See .. the offense didn't have time because the defense didn't get SD off the field." That time imbalance is the result of one series by SD late in the game. Baltimore had it's chances ... just look at the series in the 2nd half:

SD - 4:22 ... TD 7-24

Balt - 4:17 ... 8 plays, INT

SD - 2:16 ... Ball on Balt 42, TD 7-31

Balt - 1:17 ... 3 plays, INT

SD - 1:32 ... Ball on Balt 27, Missed FG

Balt - 2:34 ... 5 plays for 11 yards, Punt

SD - 9:14 ... FG, 7-34

Balt - 2:33 ... 8 plays, TD 14-34

SD - 1:09 ... 4 and out

Balt - :46 ... game


The offense had its chances to make an impact and to try and carry the team the way the defense has done multiple times in the past. The chances of them coming back and pulling it out were slim, but the offense went out without a fight when they had ample opportunity. It is not a matter of, we couldn't get he ball. The offense had the ball. They just didn't do a thing with it.
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We got way off topic with this and just need to put it to bed.

I never said I was not worried about offensive production as well as the defense. What I did say was that I was not worried about Flacco. He is not the primary reason our O has floundered. But to try to defend a D that didn't get the bolts off of the field [b][u]once[/u][/b] during the entire game is ridiculous. And they almost blew it against the brownies.

Our D has to pick it up no matter what the O does, because we are not going to win a "shootout" and you generally don't see shootouts in the post season anyway. As the saying goes, defense wins championships.

As the original poster stated, people just need to wake up and realize that Joe is the best QB we have ever had and even if we wanted to dump him(which would be foolish)there are no viable options.

To be frank, the main offensive worry right now is the injury to Yanda. I just hope Gurode will step up and play his butt off.

[Raven Hammer]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1324849590' post='922607']


What a breath of fresh air.
Some one willing to admit that is was NOT Flacco who let Cribbs return the kick off for a touch down or let the Browns march down the field more than a few times.
Neither Flacco nor Cam had a single thing to do with Rivers making our secondary look cub scout troop 437.

Again, and I am growing weary of repeating my self. Flacco is NOT elite, he is not the best in the NFL. He makes mistakes, just like Princess Brady, Peyton or Eli, Rivers, Breeze all ALL throw picks, over shoot, under throw and fumble the ball. They ALL do that.
No, Flacco is not the best, but he is the BEST we have ever had. Until some one, ANY ONE shows me ANY other legitimate option, I will remain convinced Joe Flacco is the best option for this team.
[/quote]

Very Well Said. I for one don't like the carasel

[Ravenslifer]

Why hasn't this thread been shut down yet? These things just keep going on and on ... isn't there anything else at all we can discuss? How about Ray Rice about to break 1200 yards rushing for the 3rd straight year?

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1324902398' post='922979']
Not the ones I work with. They have a bad case of Flacco-envy.
[/quote]
Really? Do tell.

When I used to go to the Redskins forum, they never had anything nice to say. I remember one fan asking me if I would honestly take Flacco over Colt Brennan (then a 3rd string qb, now currently without an NFL team).

[Alexir]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1324794538' post='922163']
For the record I think Flacco is our franchise QB. Wile I will admit he is not perfect (and who is ) I think he is by far the best the Ravens have ever had, and is a leader for our team.

BUT since so many of you think I am wrong and think Flacco should be cut.
WHO will be our starting QB next year?
How will we obtain this player?
and why do you think this player is significantly better than Joe Flacco?
I want facts not opinions, and dont even start with that "They show more emotion mumbo jumbo " screaming like a banshee doesnt win games. I want facts.

If you cant answer all three questions then shut up with the whole "cut Flacco" stuff.
[/quote]
1.Tyrod Taylor
2.Already have him
3. Can't be any worse, makes plays with his feet, don't have to throw a big contract at him yet like we would with Flacco, and Cam Cameron actually likes that QB lol

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1324916244' post='923077']
1.Tyrod Taylor
2.Already have him
3. Can't be any worse, makes plays with his feet, don't have to throw a big contract at him yet like we would with Flacco, and Cam Cameron actually likes that QB lol
[/quote]
Are you being sarcastic?

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1324909950' post='923008']
Why hasn't this thread been shut down yet? These things just keep going on and on ... isn't there anything else at all we can discuss? How about Ray Rice about to break 1200 yards rushing for the 3rd straight year?
[/quote]
no cant talk about anything that might make cam look better like a 1200 yard rusher on limited carries while giving our qb the most pass attempts of his career(523) that would break delusions of this crappy game plan all of these elite football analists on this forum keep seeing/imagining

[Mahatma_Sloth]

"Joe Flacco's name isn't mentioned when there's a discussion of elite quarterbacks. But in the past four years, he has a 46-23 record. He is 26-5 at home. This will be his 63rd consecutive start. Only Eli Manning (117) and Philip Rivers (94) have longer streaks among quarterbacks. For his career, he's completed 61 percent of his passes, 77 touchdowns compared to 45 interceptions. He has had a couple of stinker games on the road this season and is backed with a defense that annually is in the top five. But the fact remains Flacco has taken the Ravens to the playoffs in all of his four pro seasons -- and done it in the AFC North.
Unless Philadelphia makes the playoffs, the Ravens are the only team to be in the postseason in each of the past four years."

[colljb9]

Lets see a flacco with a new offensive coordinator and a year where our wide receivers and tight ends dont drop at least 5 balls a game. Also lets see his and torrey smiths connection for a second year and our two tight ends in their third year along with boldin and doss actually getting playing time. If all those factors dont make flacco better, then yes it will be time to dump him. Then again Flacco threw 25 touchdowns last year to a wide receiving core who averaged a 4.9 40 and has a bunch of inexperience around him this year, so i really think Flacco has room to get better. If not, then maybe it will be time to shop around but cant make a fair assessment after this year. Yes he has the talent around and should be making more plays but he has stepped up in big moments before...maybe a home playoff game is all he needs

[BmoreLuv]

Vince Young,

[The Raven]

Man, there are some good comedians in this thread. Tyrod, Rivers, Troy Smith, and now Vince Young? HAH!

[flynismo]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1324916587' post='923082']
Are you being sarcastic?
[/quote]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was, lol...
either that or Alexir has been dipping into the eggnog a little too hard

[bpytnjr58]

Dropped passes would make Brees,Rodgers and Brady look bad.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1324904247' post='922984']


We got way off topic with this and just need to put it to bed.

I never said I was not worried about offensive production as well as the defense. What I did say was that I was not worried about Flacco. He is not the primary reason our O has floundered. But to try to defend a D that didn't get the bolts off of the field [b][u]once[/u][/b] during the entire game is ridiculous. And they almost blew it against the brownies.

Our D has to pick it up no matter what the O does, because we are not going to win a "shootout" and you generally don't see shootouts in the post season anyway. As the saying goes, defense wins championships.

As the original poster stated, people just need to wake up and realize that Joe is the best QB we have ever had and even if we wanted to dump him(which would be foolish)there are no viable options.

To be frank, the main offensive worry right now is the injury to Yanda. I just hope Gurode will step up and play his butt off.
[/quote]

How often do we all stay on topic? Here's the thing, I am not trying to defend the D in the San Diego game (blaming the almost comeback on the D in the Cleveland game is fantasy - we're going to have to agree to disagree on that). I'm not trying to blame our struggles all on the O or Flacco. I completely agree that Joe is the best QB we've had in this franchise. I think we take the 4 straight years of winning football for granted and have lost some perspective on that. I think that Flacco can be a great QB under the right coach.

All that said, Joe has some obvious flaws that we should be able to discuss without people immediately circling the wagons on both sides and trying to slap down anyone who says anything. For those of us not in the Flacco war, it's old. This topic started basically as a "put up or shut up taunt" to the other side, but I participated anyway just for the sake of discussion with my pick and even though I don't feel we need to replace Flacco. But, as usual, it has gone the way you expect these to go on the forum. What else is new.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1324922513' post='923161']
Dropped passes would make Brees,Rodgers and Brady look bad.
[/quote]

Not really ...

Dropped passes by team:
Saints - 25 (Brees)
Packers - 28 (Rodgers)
Pats - 18 (Brady)

Ravens - 28

Rest of AFC North

Steelers - 22
Bengals - 23
Browns - 38

Average number of dropped passes in the NFL this year is 24.1 (mean 23.7) or 1.6 drops/game. Ravens are at 1.8 drops/game. Our receivers are on the high side of the average, but not dramatically so (we're not the Browns).

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1324794538' post='922163']
For the record I think Flacco is our franchise QB. Wile I will admit he is not perfect (and who is ) I think he is by far the best the Ravens have ever had, and is a leader for our team.

BUT since so many of you think I am wrong and think Flacco should be cut.
WHO will be our starting QB next year?
How will we obtain this player?
and why do you think this player is significantly better than Joe Flacco?
I want facts not opinions, and dont even start with that "They show more emotion mumbo jumbo " screaming like a banshee doesnt win games. I want facts.

If you cant answer all three questions then shut up with the whole "cut Flacco" stuff.
[/quote]

They could get him from multiple places. Free agency. The draft. a trade.

Those are facts. Carolina got Cam Newton. Denver got Tim Tebow. Cincinnatii got Andy Dalton. All from the draft... and all of them look better than Flacco with far less talent on their offense and defense.

Free agency? Matt Hassellback tore the RAVENS defense apart. And anyone who says the Titans have better weapons on their offense than the Ravens is just crazy. Imagine if Hassellback was leading the Ravens offense. Not only do they probably have a better record, but their wins against losing teams are probably much more convincing. None of these barely skate by deals. As we've seen, a QB change can effect the whole team. When Tebow took over for Broncos, their defense started playing much better. Much more confidently. Soime of these late touchdowns the Ravens defense gives up after the offense has had multiple 3 and outs... probably don't happen to the Ravens defense if the Ravens offense is still moving the ball in the 2nd half and getting at least field goals.

The Ravens could have taken a gamble on Michael Vick for no money, and let him compete with Flacco. Vick sure does have a great connection with Desean Jackson. I think Torrey Smith can be every bit as good as Desean.

Who knows, perhaps Tyrod Taylor can move the offense more consistently.

I have no idea, but I sure wouldn't mind finding out. You wanted facts, here's the major one...

This is Flacco's 4th year. I still can't say I've seen much improvement from the rookie year.

If all you want is to make the playoffs, perhaps Flacco can keep doing that. But Steelers don't look to be going anywhere, and Bengals sure look good for a team with a rookie QB and rookie WR. And they got some nice picks for Carson Palmer that could make them even better if they turn out like Dalton and Green have.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1324909950' post='923008']
Why hasn't this thread been shut down yet? These things just keep going on and on ... isn't there anything else at all we can discuss? How about Ray Rice about to break 1200 yards rushing for the 3rd straight year?
[/quote]


Thinking the same dam thing.

[The Raven]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1324928232' post='923245']

Not really ...

Dropped passes by team:
Saints - 25 (Brees)
Packers - 28 (Rodgers)
Pats - 18 (Brady)

Ravens - 28

Rest of AFC North

Steelers - 22
Bengals - 23
Browns - 38

Average number of dropped passes in the NFL this year is 24.1 (mean 23.7) or 1.6 drops/game. Ravens are at 1.8 drops/game. Our receivers are on the high side of the average, but not dramatically so (we're not the Browns).
[/quote]

Well, those QBs throw a lot more than Joe, so there would naturally be more drops.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1324928996' post='923268']


Thinking the same dam thing.
[/quote]


We're 1 win away from securing the number 2 seed and a first round bye, plus at least one home game in the playoffs, and people keep talking about replacing the quarterback that led us there. There has to be something more important going on for us to discuss.