Who Will Our New Qb Be ?

[Tank 92]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1324863062' post='922793']
I remember reading that Turner's job was on the line if they didn't win in Detroit. We want a new OC. I think I've found a match.
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One can only hope and dream..........

[CapoRocky]

In the words of Donald Trump, "Cameron, you're fired!!!!"

[Tank 92]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1324863445' post='922801']
In the words of Donald Trump, "Cameron, you're fired!!!!"
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And, In the words of somebody else, "Hello Mr. Turner. May I help you find a residence in the Owings Mills area?

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1324862669' post='922788']

The lions put up 38 points because their offense was on the field, not the sideline watching their D get smoked!

And no, I'm not kidding. Are you telling me you had faith in the D at the end of the game yesterday? Thank God Joe was able to pull the brownies off side and we didn't have to give them the ball. I'm afraid they would have scored.
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And I still worry more about the offense than I do the defense. Sometimes shootouts occur in the NFL ... instead of rising to the occasion, our offense went away completely. The "they didn't have a chance to play" line doesn't fit the game that was played. I think people remember more what they felt than what they saw. Lets look at that Chargers game one more time.

[b]First Half[/b]

Score: 7-17 ... Time of Possession: Balt - 14:21 / SD - 15:39

Big difference: Missed FG on first series by Baltimore. Also, after SD kicks FG to go up 7-10, the Balt offense comes on and runs 6 plays for 16 yards and punts it away. Still, only down by 10 points.

[b]Second Half[/b]

Final: 14-34 ... Time of Possession: Balt - 11:25 / SD - 18:35

Here is where people say, "See .. the offense didn't have time because the defense didn't get SD off the field." That time imbalance is the result of one series by SD late in the game. Baltimore had it's chances ... just look at the series in the 2nd half:

SD - 4:22 ... TD 7-24

Balt - 4:17 ... 8 plays, INT

SD - 2:16 ... Ball on Balt 42, TD 7-31

Balt - 1:17 ... 3 plays, INT

SD - 1:32 ... Ball on Balt 27, Missed FG

Balt - 2:34 ... 5 plays for 11 yards, Punt

SD - 9:14 ... FG, 7-34

Balt - 2:33 ... 8 plays, TD 14-34

SD - 1:09 ... 4 and out

Balt - :46 ... game


The offense had its chances to make an impact and to try and carry the team the way the defense has done multiple times in the past. The chances of them coming back and pulling it out were slim, but the offense went out without a fight when they had ample opportunity. It is not a matter of, we couldn't get he ball. The offense had the ball. They just didn't do a thing with it.

[K-Dog]

So far 1 that is [b]ONE [/b]person as made an attempt at answering the questions I posted page 1 post 1 of this thread 123 posts later all I hear is bla, bla, bla.

Cant any one answer my question ?

None of you ?

[The Raven]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1324865378' post='922821']
So far 1 that is [b]ONE [/b]person as made an attempt at answering the questions I posted page 1 post 1 of this thread 123 posts later all I hear is bla, bla, bla.

Cant any one answer my question ?

None of you ?
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the funny part is, that one person suggested Rivers, and was 100% serious.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1324865378' post='922821']
So far 1 that is [b]ONE [/b]person as made an attempt at answering the questions I posted page 1 post 1 of this thread 123 posts later all I hear is bla, bla, bla.

Cant any one answer my question ?

None of you ?
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According to PFT Mark Sanchez may be running out of favor in New Jersey. It might not be too difficult to pry the Ravens 2010 first round pick back (that's Tim Tebow for anyone who is confused). There's Jason Campell and David Garrard (sp?) maybe, Brett Favre, Donavan McNabb...

I'm not a Flacco basher so I'm just throwing some names out so you won't feel like everyone is ignoring the purpose of your thread. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] . I also don't watch college football so I can't name any prospects other than Andrew Luck and he won't be available.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324865723' post='922827']

the funny part is, that one person suggested Rivers, and was 100% serious.
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but he failed to say how we would get him.

I will agree Rivers would be great here. Probably better than Flacco. But as stated, the chances of that happening are super slim.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1324866129' post='922830']
I'm not a Flacco basher so I'm just throwing some names out so you won't feel like everyone is ignoring the purpose of your thread. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] . I also don't watch college football so I can't name any prospects other than Andrew Luck and he won't be available.
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truth be known the purpose of this thread is to give people a little reality check and hopefully get them to shut up.
I really, truly think people have no clue how good we really have it right now.

Its so easy to focus on the bad and the negative, but if people can pull their heads out of their,,,,,,, arm pits, and realize it is what it is and stop being such cry babies that we dont have ALL the number one players in ALL the positions, then maybe, just maybe they could get excited that we are making our FOURTH consecutive play off run, with a strong chance of home field advantage for at least one game. Maybe they could be excited about what the Ravens are doing, if not maybe they could just move their loyalty to that burgandy and gold team to our south, cause they are in a much better place.

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1324866777' post='922834']

truth be known the purpose of this thread is to give people a little reality check and hopefully get them to shut up.
I really, truly think people have no clue how good we really have it right now.

Its so easy to focus on the bad and the negative, but if people can pull their heads out of their,,,,,,, arm pits, and realize it is what it is and stop being such cry babies that we dont have ALL the number one players in ALL the positions, then maybe, just maybe they could get excited that we are making our FOURTH consecutive play off run, with a strong chance of home field advantage for at least one game. Maybe they could be excited about what the Ravens are doing, if not maybe they could just move their loyalty to that burgandy and gold team to our south, cause they are in a much better place.
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yeah we could be the vikings or bills right now. Im glad we have Flacco.

[The Raven]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1324866155' post='922831']


but he failed to say how we would get him.

I will agree Rivers would be great here. Probably better than Flacco. But as stated, the chances of that happening are super slim.
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Nah, he suggested a trade packaging Norv and Rivers together. But, he didn't say who we'd give up.

Also, he would be a great fit here, but I'd still stick with Joe. Rivers is a better QB by a lot, but Flacco is younger and would be around longer. Assuming this year is an anomaly and Flacco continues to progress next season, this is a better move. We'd only know if Cam is fired.

[JaxFlaccoFan]

Here is an interesting stat about Flacco. He ranks 7th out of 71 active QBs in the league who have thrown over 100 passes in percentage of interceptions per total pass attempts. The top seven are:

1. Rodgers (1.82%)
2. Brady (2.16%)
3. Bradford (2.22%)
4. Garcia (2.26%)
5. Brunell (2.33%)
6. Ryan (2.35%)
7. Flacco (2.37%)

[HaX]

flacco
his stats aren't on him
they're on the receivers at the moment that can't even catch a cold [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/eyes.gif[/img]

[The Raven]

[quote name='JaxFlaccoFan' timestamp='1324867953' post='922842']
Here is an interesting stat about Flacco. He ranks 7th out of 71 active QBs in the league who have thrown over 100 passes in percentage of interceptions per total pass attempts. The top seven are:

1. Rodgers (1.82%)
2. Brady (2.16%)
3. Bradford (2.22%)
4. Garcia (2.26%)
5. Brunell (2.33%)
6. Ryan (2.35%)
7. Flacco (2.37%)
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On no you didn't! Posting stats to confirm that Flacco is in fact not a complete bum? Shame! That's not allowed around here.

[atlravensfan]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Ravens dont' sign a veteran QB in the off season or draft a rookie. Maybe even both. I guess it really depends on what Flaccos contract demands maybe. He may look for Sqeelburger or Rivers type money. Which i dont think Ozzie will give.

So yes someone did answer your question lol

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324868393' post='922845']


On no you didn't! Posting stats to confirm that Flacco is in fact not a complete bum? Shame! That's not allowed around here. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img]
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Someone actually did post stats lol. I will agree that most people don't actually look at numbers.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1324866129' post='922830']
According to PFT Mark Sanchez may be running out of favor in New Jersey. It might not be too difficult to pry the Ravens 2010 first round pick back (that's Tim Tebow for anyone who is confused). There's Jason Campell and David Garrard (sp?) maybe, Brett Favre, Donavan McNabb...

I'm not a Flacco basher so I'm just throwing some names out so you won't feel like everyone is ignoring the purpose of your thread. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] . I also don't watch college football so I can't name any prospects other than Andrew Luck and he won't be available.
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I was thinking of maybe Kyle orton or Jason Campell. My far away pick was maybe Matt cassell.

[JaxFlaccoFan]

In TD to Interception ratio, Flacco ranks 9th out of active QBs in the league who have thrown over 30 TD passes.

1. Rodgers (3.34)
2. Brady (2.61)
3. Rivers (2.08)
4. Romo (2.07)
5. P. Manning (2.02)
6. Ryan (2.00)
7. Garcia (1.94)
8. Brees (1.90)
9. Flacco (1.72)

[JaxFlaccoFan]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324868393' post='922845']


On no you didn't! Posting stats to confirm that Flacco is in fact not a complete bum? Shame! That's not allowed around here. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img]
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Yep, what was I thinking.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='JaxFlaccoFan' timestamp='1324869086' post='922853']
In TD to Interception ratio, Flacco ranks 9th out of active QBs in the league who have thrown over 30 TD passes.

1. Rodgers (3.34)
2. Brady (2.61)
3. Rivers (2.08)
4. Romo (2.07)
5. P. Manning (2.02)
6. Ryan (2.00)
7. Garcia (1.94)
8. Brees (1.90)
9. Flacco (1.72)
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Garcia?

[The Raven]

[quote name='ROH522155' timestamp='1324869263' post='922859']
Garcia?
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Jeff Garcia. I think he was with TB but I'm not sure.

[JaxFlaccoFan]

In career QB rating for the 71 active QBs in the league who have thrown over 100 passes, Flacco is tied for 11th.

1. Rodgers (103)
2. Romo (97)
3. Brady (96)
4. P. Manning (95)
Rivers (95)
6. Brees (94)
7. Schaub (92)
Roethlisberger (92)
9. Garcia (88)
Ryan (88)
11. Flacco (86)
Palmer (86)

[JaxFlaccoFan]

Garcia is showing up on the Texans depth chart as their #3 QB.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324862620' post='922787']

[b]I remember when this guy proclaimed that he was a believer in Flacco and that he was taking back everything he said, after the 92 yard drive in Pittsburgh. Hilarious.[/b]

Dude, you don't have a choice. If you want the Ravens to do well, you want Flacco to do well. And if he doesn't win this season, they're still gonna stick with him. So get used to it buddy.
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He made a bet with someone because he bashes Flacco so much. Here's what I think. He's in middle school and dislikes Flacco for some reason. Like all of us were in middle school, we liked to hear ourselves talk. He goes on and on to his friends about how he hates Joe Flacco, Flacco sucks, blah blah blah. They finally got sick of it and made him a bet. If Flacco led the Ravens to a victory over the Steelers (again, this is why this guy is more of a Flacco hater than a Ravens fan - have you ever met a Ravens fan that wished their team lost to the Steelers, ever?) he would have to start a thread that gave Flacco props.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1324866129' post='922830']
According to PFT Mark Sanchez may be running out of favor in New Jersey. It might not be too difficult to pry the Ravens 2010 first round pick back (that's Tim Tebow for anyone who is confused). There's Jason Campell and David Garrard (sp?) maybe, Brett Favre, Donavan McNabb...

I'm not a Flacco basher so I'm just throwing some names out so you won't feel like everyone is ignoring the purpose of your thread. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] . I also don't watch college football so I can't name any prospects other than Andrew Luck and he won't be available.
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If guys are interested in college replacements, look at Landry Jones out of Oklahoma or Nick Foles out of Az. They could be available. Maybe Ryan Tannehill out of A&M. That will satisfy the craving for a "big name, big school quarterback" and then we can have the Kyle Boller show all over again. I can't believe Tannehill is even being talked about for the first round. People act like it's so easy to even find a franchise qb in the draft, like any qb should be able to come in here "with our defense" and win. But yeah, let's roll the dice on one of these guys and watch us end up 4-12 again.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324857846' post='922722']

Wow. Thank you for this productive post. They seem hard to find in Flacco topics, but this is good. Seen in plain sight, Manning, and Brees took fairly large steps back in their fourth years. For what it's worth, Doofusberger also took large steps back in his 3rd and 5th years.
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You should check his stats in 2005 and 2008, when they won the Superbowl. He was asked to do almost nothing in 05, and he played pretty poorly in 08. The Steelers still won. Part of it was their team was strong enough to withstand Ben's poor play, and the other part was that Ben stepped up big when he needed to, especially in the playoffs and the Superbowl. Eli Manning did the same thing. His team carried him into the playoffs, then he put them on his back and won them a title. It's not unreasonable to suggest that a qb playing poorly in the regular season can turn it on in the postseason and win his team a title - I just mentioned 3 times it's happened in the last 6 years. We're in the playoffs, nothing can change that, and anything can happen. Sometimes I think fans are just too caught up in fantasy football numbers to realize this.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1324871158' post='922876']

You should check his stats in 2005 and 2008, when they won the Superbowl. He was asked to do almost nothing in 05, and he played pretty poorly in 08. The Steelers still won. Part of it was their team was strong enough to withstand Ben's poor play, and the other part was that Ben stepped up big when he needed to, especially in the playoffs and the Superbowl. Eli Manning did the same thing. His team carried him into the playoffs, then he put them on his back and won them a title. It's not unreasonable to suggest that a qb playing poorly in the regular season can turn it on in the postseason and win his team a title - I just mentioned 3 times it's happened in the last 6 years. We're in the playoffs, nothing can change that, and anything can happen. [b]Sometimes I think fans are just too caught up in fantasy football numbers to realize this.[/b]
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Quite true. I'm a firm believer that the most important stat for a quarterback is wins and losses.

[ROH522155]

Wow hahaha. NO WAY Jeff Garcia is still active?!?! He's gotta be like 68 by now right? Haha

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1324859035' post='922739']

Why is the QB position the only one with Win-Loss stats? Because they touch the ball 99.99% of the time and the entire offense flows from them. The average fan can't tell when Birk or Oher miss a gap assignment. They can't discern when a WR or TE runs the wrong route. They can't tell when a back who was supposed to stay in and block moves out of position.

But they can easily tell when a QB throws a pass 5 feet too high or skips a pass 4 feet short of his receiver. They can tell when a QB looks directly at a defender and continues holding the ball like a loaf of bread right up until the point it's slapped out of his hand for a fumble. They can tell when a QB throws late and behind open receivers. [b]Highest criticism on the team will naturally flow to the QB, just like ridiculous amounts of praise go there.[/b]

Flacco isn't perfect, he has a lot more to learn and he has regressed this year in some key areas overall, that is obvious. In other ways he has also progressed. He is more vocal. He seems to be finally developing a pocket instinct though it comes and goes. I would find it hard to argue with anyone who made the case that Flacco would putting up true Pro-Bowl numbers if Zorn was still here and Cam was gone or backed off.

I simply can not in good faith take true stock of Flacco with Cam still here. Can't do it. He has to go.
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Not with this fanbase though. Seems like everybody writes off the good Flacco does as either good or the product of other players, the defense etc. I can't tell you how many people I've met that still seem to think that if Marc Bulger had started last year we would have won the Superbowl. The funny thing is a lot of other fans I know, like Redskins fans and Eagles fans, are totally jealous of us having Flacco, especially the Redskins fans.

[RavenFanatic1327]

i mean all yall laughing..but i seriously believe if we dont get to a superbowl this year..and if flacco doesnt show p in the playoffs..i think es out..i really doo.