Who Will Our New Qb Be ?

[The Raven]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324840070' post='922508']
and how much time does he need exactly? and in the meantime our all word defense gets old and ends up never getting the SB ring they deserve. I'm sure you were one of the guys that supported the Boller experiment till the bitter end. Here is a fact-next week Joe Flacco will again play like Pee Wee Herman and we will end up the 5th seeded wild card team and on the road throughout and I'm sure we all remember what that road looks like. I hear rumors on my end that Philip Rivers may be part of the Norv Turner firing at the end of the season and is unhappy in San Diego-its unconfirmed but possible!
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Did you think Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers were elite rookies? Of course it takes time, are you serious? Please tell me that your joking. I'm not one for trends, but since you bring up "time" Flacco is right on pace with Bree's and River's first four years. Until you bring something productive and intelligent to post, could you please refrain from posting?

What a positive prediction. You're a great analyst. What a superb fan.

And btw ,that "all-world" defense got torched by San Diego last week, don't act like perfect.

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='PurpleDrink' timestamp='1324813707' post='922245']
If the defence doesnt create that turn over in this game ( Webbs Int ) we lose by one point. So if you people are happy with a QB that cant do anything with his own offence you're MAD lol.
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If his receivers didn't drop easy passes then we win by 30. What's your point?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1324845117' post='922566']
we have to see how he plays if cam is gone. before that you really cannot judge. look at all the abs that cam messed up. they all had pretty much the same numbers like joe has right now. i do think that joe has to learn a lot but i also think that we don´t use anybody on our offense the way we should.

the sad thing is that [b]i just cannot imagine that we fir our oc after he got us to the playoffs again[/b]. just don´t see that happen. i guess we have to wait a few years until we finally can say what joe is able to do and what he can´t do...
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The front office was considering a change last year, but John Harbaugh talked them out of it. If the offense stagnates again like it did in Pittsburgh last January, I think there is a good chance Cam is gone. From what I understand, the ONLY guy who stood up for Cam was John - no player on offense or defense said he should stay, they all took the politically correct route of "We go the way the FO goes". And it's not like it would be the biggest move that ever happened. Marty Schottenheimer, a head coach, was fired after a 14-2 season in San Diego. Todd Haley just got the Chiefs to the playoffs for the first time in forever last year, then lost his quarterback for the year, and he still got fired this year. We can only hope our front office is as smart as people keep saying they are.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1324795919' post='922183']
His a mediocre QB in a great defense roster.

I really want him to get better, but unfortunately he has regressed big time. Unless our defense plays lights out, there's very little chance we can win the SB. And tbh, after 3 playoff appearance...being good and getting into playoff isnt our goal anymore. We need to win the SB. I don't see us winning one with Flacco playing like the way his playing.
So then, we think about next year. We have a salary cap. With his contract comming up. If we were to dump few playmakers (Ben Grubbs, Ray Rice, Ladarius Webb) instead of Flacco to meet the salary cap. We are over next year. Thats just the fact.
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[quote name='PurpleDrink' timestamp='1324813707' post='922245']
If the defence doesnt create that turn over in this game ( Webbs Int ) we lose by one point. So if you people are happy with a QB that cant do anything with his own offence you're MAD lol.
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[quote name='Jerseyraven52205527' timestamp='1324822705' post='922308']
Fact, Flacco is not a leader, plays scared, & is not getting any better.
Sorry to say but it's a fact.
But the main problem is our coaching & ability to draft and/ or pick up play makers. Rice, Leach, & Boldin are the only playmakers we have acquired in past 4 years that make a difference. That's not enough to be a SB type team.
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[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324840070' post='922508']
and how much time does he need exactly? and in the meantime our all word defense gets old and ends up never getting the SB ring they deserve. I'm sure you were one of the guys that supported the Boller experiment till the bitter end. Here is a fact-next week Joe Flacco will again play like Pee Wee Herman and we will end up the 5th seeded wild card team and on the road throughout and I'm sure we all remember what that road looks like. I hear rumors on my end that Philip Rivers may be part of the Norv Turner firing at the end of the season and is unhappy in San Diego-its unconfirmed but possible!
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I'm beginning to think that none of you actually watch Ravens games. Our defense has played like a bunch of scrubs for weeks and they have been far from "all wor(l)d" or "great" or anything else positive. They have been on vacation and need to come home!

I'm not going to defend Joe, no need. If you watched the game yesterday you know why the passing game floundered.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Rinbee' timestamp='1324836025' post='922454']

Maybe they are just tired of Joe not living up to the elite status hype that so many have put on Joe. I don't believe a QB change now would be in the Raven's best interest, but I can understand why people are concerned about his inconsistent play and past poor performance in the PO's.
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I don't know anyone who has put "elite status hype" on him. I can understand concern, I can't understand the incessant whining. It's really just sad that some people can't take a long term perspective. It's now or never to them. Even if Flacco has a bad playoff game and doesn't win the Super Bowl this season, I'm not gonna give up on him because I believe that he will continue to improve. He's still making strides (in the last few games he's started throwing on the run, much more accurately).

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1324847805' post='922585']

The front office was considering a change last year, but John Harbaugh talked them out of it. If the offense stagnates again like it did in Pittsburgh last January, I think there is a good chance Cam is gone. From what I understand, the ONLY guy who stood up for Cam was John - no player on offense or defense said he should stay, they all took the politically correct route of "We go the way the FO goes". And it's not like it would be the biggest move that ever happened. Marty Schottenheimer, a head coach, was fired after a 14-2 season in San Diego. Todd Haley just got the Chiefs to the playoffs for the first time in forever last year, then lost his quarterback for the year, and he still got fired this year. We can only hope our front office is as smart as people keep saying they are.
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I think the only reason cam is still here is because of the labor issues and no camp. The situation left no time to implement a new system.

[JohnJohnson]

And you know what? If Flacco is driven out of town somehow, I will continue to be a fan of his. I believe that in the future, he will be one of the top few QBs. The Ravens will have something to truly regret if they decide to move on from Flacco, and then you whiny fans can lament the fact that our front office didn't have the foresight to see what Flacco would eventually become.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1324847959' post='922591']


I think the only reason cam is still here is because of the labor issues and no camp. The situation left no time to implement a new system.
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People keep telling me that, but I still think it's an excuse. I mean, we did it with Pagano. And i'd rather have an offense that only knows a quarter of a competent OCs playbook than one that "knows" all of Cam's. This year is all about Cam's vision of what an offense should be like, and i have to tell you it's pretty scary to me. The maybe three times it's worked (Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Arizona second half) it looks brilliant - the rest of the time it looks like nobody on offense knows what they're doing.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324848065' post='922592']
And you know what? If Flacco is driven out of town somehow, I will continue to be a fan of his. I believe that in the future, he will be one of the top few QBs. The Ravens will have something to truly regret if they decide to move on from Flacco, and then you whiny fans can lament the fact that our front office didn't have the foresight to see what Flacco would eventually become.
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I often wonder about this. Though Rivers is great, how do San Diego fans feel about giving up on Brees so soon? I'm sure there are several teams out there looking at qbs that would see Flacco and say "If I can get this guy cheap, I can work with him and make something special out of him". Though I wouldn't like it, it would be an interesting scenario if something like this played out. If anything, I'd try to use it as an excuse to make some of the negative posters on this board tone down their negativeness.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1324848238' post='922593']

People keep telling me that, but I still think it's an excuse. I mean, we did it with Pagano. And i'd rather have an offense that only knows a quarter of a competent OCs playbook than one that "knows" all of Cam's. This year is all about Cam's vision of what an offense should be like, and i have to tell you it's pretty scary to me. The maybe three times it's worked (Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Arizona second half) it looks brilliant - the rest of the time it looks like nobody on offense knows what they're doing.
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Chuck had been in the organization for 3 years as secondary coach, so really not a big transition. A new OC from outside the organization would need the off season and camp to get close to being effective.

But I hear ya' though; At this point I kind of like the suggestion to put an xbox with madden on the sideline and let it call the plays.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1324847828' post='922587']


I'm beginning to think that none of you actually watch Ravens games. Our defense has played like a bunch of scrubs for weeks and they have been far from "all wor(l)d" or "great" or anything else positive. They have been on vacation and need to come home!

I'm not going to defend Joe, no need. If you watched the [b]game yesterday you know why the passing game floundered.[/b]
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It floundered because there was no passing game, all we did yesterday after the first quarter was run the ball, Cause " Ray Rice has to get his 20+ carries" And what did that do, nothing, it didnt even run the clock out like we do when we are mixing it up. Why is it, we can run 8 mins off a clock on one drive when we actually need all clock we can get, but not even run 2 mins off the clock when we need to get the time down. Its UNREAL.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1324847828' post='922587']


I'm beginning to think that none of you actually watch Ravens games. Our defense has played like a bunch of scrubs for weeks and they have been far from "all wor(l)d" or "great" or anything else positive. They have been on vacation and need to come home!

I'm not going to defend Joe, no need. If you watched the game yesterday you know why the passing game floundered.
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What a breath of fresh air.
Some one willing to admit that is was NOT Flacco who let Cribbs return the kick off for a touch down or let the Browns march down the field more than a few times.
Neither Flacco nor Cam had a single thing to do with Rivers making our secondary look cub scout troop 437.

Again, and I am growing weary of repeating my self. Flacco is NOT elite, he is not the best in the NFL. He makes mistakes, just like Princess Brady, Peyton or Eli, Rivers, Breeze all ALL throw picks, over shoot, under throw and fumble the ball. They ALL do that.
No, Flacco is not the best, but he is the BEST we have ever had. Until some one, ANY ONE shows me ANY other legitimate option, I will remain convinced Joe Flacco is the best option for this team.

[atlravensfan]

Joe is a good QB not great. The kind of guy that will get you there but won't win it for you. 25td kind of guy. I think the offense will only go as far as joe takes it. People tend to forget joe has a very good offensive line top 5 running back and two very good TE. I could name alot of QBs that would love to have that D and that line and those weapons.

All I am saying is that don't be surprised if some free agent Qbs arent looking to come to bmore.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='magna481' timestamp='1324836015' post='922453']
Next year? Aaron Rodgers
We trade, Joe Flacco, Terrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata, Ray Rice, and our #1 picks for the next 3 years.
And do I have to say how he's better? He is more accurate of a passer, as shows by his completion percentage which is 12% better than Flacco's. He throws way more long balls, and completes them. 20+, he has 18 over joe. 40+, he has 5 more than joe. And he's a better rusher, 3 rushing td's and 239 yards to joe's 1 and 87. [b]And it can't be proven, but I do think he would do just as well with our receivers[/b]. Boldin, drops a couple, but it's not like they're all perfect throws. Torrey, is a beast. Tandon doss has hands of glue, but doesn't see the field... and lee... well i've seen some TERRIBLE passes to him, just horrible..

but realistically, Flacco isn't "elite" like rodgers, but he gets the job done and is a winning QB. And for everyone that says "it's the D!", well we had a D when kyle boller was QB too... and I dont remember going to the playoffs 4 years in a row when he was QB...
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Well actually, he didn't do so well with Jennings out vs KC sooooo...I'm guessing maybe he wouldn't fare so well with our receiving corps. Not to mention, GB has only faced one pass defense that is in the Top 10. Not saying Rodgers isn't a great QB just saying that all isn't as good as it seems in GB.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1324849590' post='922607']


What a breath of fresh air.
Some one willing to admit that is was NOT Flacco who let Cribbs return the kick off for a touch down or let the Browns march down the field more than a few times.
Neither Flacco nor Cam had a single thing to do with Rivers making our secondary look cub scout troop 437.

Again, and I am growing weary of repeating my self. Flacco is NOT elite, he is not the best in the NFL. He makes mistakes, just like Princess Brady, Peyton or Eli, Rivers, Breeze all ALL throw picks, over shoot, under throw and fumble the ball. They ALL do that.
No, Flacco is not the best, but he is the BEST we have ever had. Until some one, ANY ONE shows me ANY other legitimate option, I will remain convinced Joe Flacco is the best option for this team.
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Right, right and right!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1324849817' post='922609']
Joe is a good QB not great. The kind of guy that will get you there but won't win it for you. 25td kind of guy. I think the offense will only go as far as joe takes it. People tend to forget joe has a [b]very good offensive line[/b] top 5 running back and [b]two very good TE[/b]. I could name alot of QBs that would love to have that D and that line and those weapons.

All I am saying is that don't be surprised if some free agent Qbs arent looking to come to bmore.
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I don't know what offensive line you've been watching, but the one I have has been inconsistent for a lot of the season. They've gotten better, but I don't see them as "very good". And those tight ends are second year players - doesn't matter about their talent level, the fact is neither of them has started an NFL game before this season. And they are definitely lacking in the blocking aspect of the game. They are both very raw players. Which is great, I think, since they'll be even better next year, but let's not pretend these guys are on par with a Rob Gronkowski, Jimmy Graham, Jason Witten, Greg Olsen, Jermichael Finley or someone like that.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1324849817' post='922609']
Joe is a good QB not great. The kind of guy that will get you there but won't win it for you. 25td kind of guy. I think the offense will only go as far as joe takes it. People tend to forget joe has a very good offensive line top 5 running back and two very good TE. I could name alot of QBs that would love to have that D and that line and those weapons.

All I am saying is that don't be surprised if some free agent Qbs arent looking to come to bmore.
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I would think about this and recant............

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1324852052' post='922631']

I don't know what offensive line you've been watching, but the one I have has been inconsistent for a lot of the season. They've gotten better, but I don't see them as "very good". [/quote]

Agreed , especially as regards pass protection. The middle three - Yanda, Birk, and Grubbs - form a great nucleus , but we're mediocre at best at tackle. Our O-line is in the middle of the pack on this pass-protection index thru 14 games :

[url="http://newyorklife.stats.com/fb/protection.asp?type=overall&year=2011"]http://newyorklife.stats.com/fb/protection.asp?type=overall&year=2011[/url]

That's why I hope the O-line is a priority in the offseason. If you want Joe to become a better QB , that's one way to help make it happen.

[Guest RBates]

Lmao at this thread period.......Flacco is that you?

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1324852294' post='922633']


I would think about this and recant............
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No not really. The ravens offense under a new Qb and OC would be a thing of beauty. Play to your plays strengths(something the OC doesn't do) and hit open recievers and make quick reads(something the QB doesn't always do or does about less then half the time). Next year pitta, dickson, and torrey will be a year better. The Oline would be better if the QB and OC didnt hang them out to dry some games

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1324852052' post='922631']

I don't know what offensive line you've been watching, but the one I have has been inconsistent for a lot of the season. They've gotten better, but I don't see them as "very good". And those tight ends are second year players - doesn't matter about their talent level, the fact is neither of them has started an NFL game before this season. And they are definitely lacking in the blocking aspect of the game. They are both very raw players. Which is great, I think, since they'll be even better next year, but let's not pretend these guys are on par with a Rob Gronkowski, Jimmy Graham, Jason Witten, Greg Olsen, Jermichael Finley or someone like that.
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I didnt say they(TE) were on that level. If you read my posts I said they are good players. Blocking ability will come.

The Oline is a very good line. Joe sometimes hangs his line out to dry by not getting the ball out quickly and making reads. His
completion percentage and bad interceptions shows that. Joe is a good QB just not a superbowl win one with an average defense kind of guy.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324853603' post='922643']
Lmao at this thread period.......Flacco is that you?
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Agreed lol. The level of homering is funny. Been reading these threads along time. People were saying the Webb and Kruger were busts lol and now everyone loves them. I believe in giving a player time to develop but with the QBs you either have it or you don't. Cant develop instincts and teach speed.

[wizard1]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324846711' post='922578']

Did you think Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers were elite rookies? Of course it takes time, are you serious? Please tell me that your joking. I'm not one for trends, but since you bring up "time" Flacco is right on pace with Bree's and River's first four years. Until you bring something productive and intelligent to post, could you please refrain from posting?

What a positive prediction. You're a great analyst. What a superb fan.

And btw ,that "all-world" defense got torched by San Diego last week, don't act like perfect.


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Bradys stats, 2000-01 New England 1 42.4 1 3 33.3 6 6.0 2.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 N/A 0 0 0 0 0 2001-02 New England 15 86.5 264 413 63.9 2843 189.5 6.9 18 12 36 43 2.9 1.2 0 41 216 12 3 2002-03 New England 16 85.7 373 601 62.1 3764 235.3 6.3 28 14 42 110 6.9 2.6 1 31 190 7 4 2003-04 New England 16 85.9 317 527 60.2 3620 226.3 6.9 23 12 42 63 3.9 1.5 1 32 219 13 5 2004-05 New England 16 92.6 288 474 60.8 3692 230.8 7.8 28 14 43 28 1.8 0.7 0 26 162 7 5 2005-06 New England 16 92.3 334 530 63.0 4110 256.9 7.8 26 14 27 89 5.6 3.3 1 26 188 4 3 2006-07 New England 16 87.9 319 516 61.8 3529 220.6 6.8 24 12 49 102 6.4 2.1 0 26 175 12 4 2007-08 New England 16 117.2 398 578 68.9 4806 300.4 8.3 50 8 37 98 6.1 2.6 2 21 128 5 4 2008-09 New England 1 83.9 7 11 63.6 76 76.0 6.9 0 0 0 0 0.0 N/A 0 0 0 0 0 2009-10 New England 16 96.2 371 565 65.7 4398 274.9 7.8 28 13 29 44 2.8 1.5 1 16 86 4 2 2010-11 New England 16 111.0 324 492 65.9 3900 243.8 7.9 36 4 31 30 1.9 1.0 1 25 175 3 1 2011-12 New England 15 105.1 378 576 65.6 4897 326.5 8.5 36 11 43 109 7.3 2.5 3 28 155 5
Brees stats 2001-02 San Diego 1 94.8 15 27 55.6 221 221.0 8.2 1 0 2 18 18.0 9.0 0 2 12 1 0 2002-03 San Diego 16 76.9 320 526 60.8 3284 205.3 6.2 17 16 38 130 8.1 3.4 1 24 180 1 0 2003-04 San Diego 11 67.5 205 356 57.6 2108 191.6 5.9 11 15 21 84 7.6 4.0 0 21 178 5 3 2004-05 San Diego 15 104.8 262 400 65.5 3159 210.6 7.9 27 7 53 85 5.7 1.6 2 18 131 7 2 2005-06 San Diego 16 89.2 323 500 64.6 3576 223.5 7.2 24 15 21 49 3.1 2.3 1 27 223 8 5 2006-07 New Orleans 16 96.2 356 554 64.3 4418 276.1 8.0 26 11 42 32 2.0 0.8 0 18 105 7 3 2007-08 New Orleans 16 89.4 440 652 67.5 4423 276.4 6.8 28 18 23 52 3.3 2.3 1 16 109 9 4 2008-09 New Orleans 16 96.2 413 635 65.0 5069 316.8 8.0 34 17 22 -1 -0.1 -0.0 0 13 92 6 1 2009-10 New Orleans 15 109.6 363 514 70.6 4388 292.5 8.5 34 11 22 33 2.2 1.5 2 20 135 9 6 2010-11 New Orleans 16 90.9 448 658 68.1 4620 288.8 7.0 33 22 18 -3 -0.2 -0.2 0 25 185 9 2 2011-12 New Orleans 14 109.1 417 583 71.5 4780 341.4 8.2 37 11 19 72 5.1 3.8 1 23 150 1 1
Mannings stats 1998-99 Indianapolis 16 71.2 326 575 56.7 3739 233.7 6.5 26 28 15 62 3.9 4.1 0 22 109 3 1 1999-00 Indianapolis 16 90.7 331 533 62.1 4135 258.4 7.8 26 15 35 73 4.6 2.1 2 14 116 5 3 2000-01 Indianapolis 16 94.7 357 571 62.5 4413 275.8 7.7 33 15 37 116 7.3 3.1 1 20 131 5 2 2001-02 Indianapolis 16 84.1 343 547 62.7 4131 258.2 7.6 26 23 35 157 9.8 4.5 4 29 232 7 3 2002-03 Indianapolis 16 88.8 392 591 66.3 4200 262.5 7.1 27 19 38 148 9.3 3.9 2 23 145 4 1 2003-04 Indianapolis 16 99.0 379 566 67.0 4267 266.7 7.5 29 10 28 26 1.6 0.9 0 18 107 6 1 2004-05 Indianapolis 16 121.1 336 497 67.6 4557 284.8 9.2 49 10 25 38 2.4 1.5 0 13 101 5 1 2005-06 Indianapolis 16 104.1 305 453 67.3 3747 234.2 8.3 28 10 33 45 2.8 1.4 0 17 81 5 2 2006-07 Indianapolis 16 101.0 362 557 65.0 4397 274.8 7.9 31 9 23 36 2.3 1.6 4 14 86 2 1 2007-08 Indianapolis 16 98.0 337 515 65.4 4040 252.5 7.8 31 14 20 -5 -0.3 -0.3 3 21 124 5 1 2008-09 Indianapolis 16 95.0 371 555 66.8 4002 250.1 7.2 27 12 20 21 1.3 1.1 1 14 86 1 0 2009-10 Indianapolis 16 99.9 393 571 68.8 4500 281.3 7.9 33 16 19 -13 -0.8 -0.7 0 10 74 2 0 2010-11 Indianapolis 16 91.9 450 679 66.3 4700 293.8 6.9 33 17 18 18 1.1 1.0 0 16 91 3 1
Rodgers stats 2008-09 Green Bay 16 93.8 341 536 63.6 4038 252.4 7.5 28 13 56 207 12.9 3.7 4 34 231 9 3 2009-10 Green Bay 16 103.2 350 541 64.7 4434 277.1 8.2 30 7 58 316 19.8 5.4 5 50 306 10 4 2010-11 Green Bay 15 101.2 312 475 65.7 3922 261.5 8.3 28 11 64 356 23.7 5.6 4 31 193 4 1 2011-12 Green Bay 14 120.1 322 473 68.1 4360 311.4 9.2 40 6 56 239 17.1 4.3 3 36 219 4 0
Roethlisbergers stats 2004-05 Pittsburgh 14 98.1 196 295 66.4 2621 187.2 8.9 17 11 56 144 10.3 2.6 1 30 213 2 2 2005-06 Pittsburgh 12 98.6 168 268 62.7 2385 198.8 8.9 17 9 31 69 5.8 2.2 3 23 129 2 1 2006-07 Pittsburgh 15 75.4 280 469 59.7 3513 234.2 7.5 18 23 32 98 6.5 3.1 2 46 280 5 2 2007-08 Pittsburgh 15 104.1 264 404 65.3 3154 210.3 7.8 32 11 35 204 13.6 5.8 2 47 347 9 3 2008-09 Pittsburgh 16 80.1 281 469 59.9 3301 206.3 7.0 17 15 34 101 6.3 3.0 2 46 284 14 7 2009-10 Pittsburgh 15 100.5 337 506 66.6 4328 288.5 8.6 26 12 40 82 5.5 2.1 2 50 348 7 3 2010-11 Pittsburgh 12 97.0 240 389 61.7 3200 266.7 8.2 17 5 34 176 14.7 5.2 2 32 220 7 3 2011-12 Pittsburgh 14 91.5 301 473 63.6 3856 275.4 8.2 21 14 31 70 5.0 2.3 0 38 247 8 5
As you see-in every case the stats speak for themselves.Each one of these QB was playing consistent good football by their 4th year and not one of the went backwards like Flacco is doing. Do I need to say more-you obviously don't know anything about football so please quit posting directly towards me-I don't have time to waste on such trifles.

[Moderator 3]

Holy wall o' numbers!

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324855982' post='922684']
Bradys stats, 2000-01 New England 1 42.4 1 3 33.3 6 6.0 2.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 N/A 0 0 0 0 0 2001-02 New England 15 86.5 264 413 63.9 2843 189.5 6.9 18 12 36 43 2.9 1.2 0 41 216 12 3 2002-03 New England 16 85.7 373 601 62.1 3764 235.3 6.3 28 14 42 110 6.9 2.6 1 31 190 7 4 2003-04 New England 16 85.9 317 527 60.2 3620 226.3 6.9 23 12 42 63 3.9 1.5 1 32 219 13 5 2004-05 New England 16 92.6 288 474 60.8 3692 230.8 7.8 28 14 43 28 1.8 0.7 0 26 162 7 5 2005-06 New England 16 92.3 334 530 63.0 4110 256.9 7.8 26 14 27 89 5.6 3.3 1 26 188 4 3 2006-07 New England 16 87.9 319 516 61.8 3529 220.6 6.8 24 12 49 102 6.4 2.1 0 26 175 12 4 2007-08 New England 16 117.2 398 578 68.9 4806 300.4 8.3 50 8 37 98 6.1 2.6 2 21 128 5 4 2008-09 New England 1 83.9 7 11 63.6 76 76.0 6.9 0 0 0 0 0.0 N/A 0 0 0 0 0 2009-10 New England 16 96.2 371 565 65.7 4398 274.9 7.8 28 13 29 44 2.8 1.5 1 16 86 4 2 2010-11 New England 16 111.0 324 492 65.9 3900 243.8 7.9 36 4 31 30 1.9 1.0 1 25 175 3 1 2011-12 New England 15 105.1 378 576 65.6 4897 326.5 8.5 36 11 43 109 7.3 2.5 3 28 155 5
Brees stats 2001-02 San Diego 1 94.8 15 27 55.6 221 221.0 8.2 1 0 2 18 18.0 9.0 0 2 12 1 0 2002-03 San Diego 16 76.9 320 526 60.8 3284 205.3 6.2 17 16 38 130 8.1 3.4 1 24 180 1 0 2003-04 San Diego 11 67.5 205 356 57.6 2108 191.6 5.9 11 15 21 84 7.6 4.0 0 21 178 5 3 2004-05 San Diego 15 104.8 262 400 65.5 3159 210.6 7.9 27 7 53 85 5.7 1.6 2 18 131 7 2 2005-06 San Diego 16 89.2 323 500 64.6 3576 223.5 7.2 24 15 21 49 3.1 2.3 1 27 223 8 5 2006-07 New Orleans 16 96.2 356 554 64.3 4418 276.1 8.0 26 11 42 32 2.0 0.8 0 18 105 7 3 2007-08 New Orleans 16 89.4 440 652 67.5 4423 276.4 6.8 28 18 23 52 3.3 2.3 1 16 109 9 4 2008-09 New Orleans 16 96.2 413 635 65.0 5069 316.8 8.0 34 17 22 -1 -0.1 -0.0 0 13 92 6 1 2009-10 New Orleans 15 109.6 363 514 70.6 4388 292.5 8.5 34 11 22 33 2.2 1.5 2 20 135 9 6 2010-11 New Orleans 16 90.9 448 658 68.1 4620 288.8 7.0 33 22 18 -3 -0.2 -0.2 0 25 185 9 2 2011-12 New Orleans 14 109.1 417 583 71.5 4780 341.4 8.2 37 11 19 72 5.1 3.8 1 23 150 1 1
Mannings stats 1998-99 Indianapolis 16 71.2 326 575 56.7 3739 233.7 6.5 26 28 15 62 3.9 4.1 0 22 109 3 1 1999-00 Indianapolis 16 90.7 331 533 62.1 4135 258.4 7.8 26 15 35 73 4.6 2.1 2 14 116 5 3 2000-01 Indianapolis 16 94.7 357 571 62.5 4413 275.8 7.7 33 15 37 116 7.3 3.1 1 20 131 5 2 2001-02 Indianapolis 16 84.1 343 547 62.7 4131 258.2 7.6 26 23 35 157 9.8 4.5 4 29 232 7 3 2002-03 Indianapolis 16 88.8 392 591 66.3 4200 262.5 7.1 27 19 38 148 9.3 3.9 2 23 145 4 1 2003-04 Indianapolis 16 99.0 379 566 67.0 4267 266.7 7.5 29 10 28 26 1.6 0.9 0 18 107 6 1 2004-05 Indianapolis 16 121.1 336 497 67.6 4557 284.8 9.2 49 10 25 38 2.4 1.5 0 13 101 5 1 2005-06 Indianapolis 16 104.1 305 453 67.3 3747 234.2 8.3 28 10 33 45 2.8 1.4 0 17 81 5 2 2006-07 Indianapolis 16 101.0 362 557 65.0 4397 274.8 7.9 31 9 23 36 2.3 1.6 4 14 86 2 1 2007-08 Indianapolis 16 98.0 337 515 65.4 4040 252.5 7.8 31 14 20 -5 -0.3 -0.3 3 21 124 5 1 2008-09 Indianapolis 16 95.0 371 555 66.8 4002 250.1 7.2 27 12 20 21 1.3 1.1 1 14 86 1 0 2009-10 Indianapolis 16 99.9 393 571 68.8 4500 281.3 7.9 33 16 19 -13 -0.8 -0.7 0 10 74 2 0 2010-11 Indianapolis 16 91.9 450 679 66.3 4700 293.8 6.9 33 17 18 18 1.1 1.0 0 16 91 3 1
Rodgers stats 2008-09 Green Bay 16 93.8 341 536 63.6 4038 252.4 7.5 28 13 56 207 12.9 3.7 4 34 231 9 3 2009-10 Green Bay 16 103.2 350 541 64.7 4434 277.1 8.2 30 7 58 316 19.8 5.4 5 50 306 10 4 2010-11 Green Bay 15 101.2 312 475 65.7 3922 261.5 8.3 28 11 64 356 23.7 5.6 4 31 193 4 1 2011-12 Green Bay 14 120.1 322 473 68.1 4360 311.4 9.2 40 6 56 239 17.1 4.3 3 36 219 4 0
Roethlisbergers stats 2004-05 Pittsburgh 14 98.1 196 295 66.4 2621 187.2 8.9 17 11 56 144 10.3 2.6 1 30 213 2 2 2005-06 Pittsburgh 12 98.6 168 268 62.7 2385 198.8 8.9 17 9 31 69 5.8 2.2 3 23 129 2 1 2006-07 Pittsburgh 15 75.4 280 469 59.7 3513 234.2 7.5 18 23 32 98 6.5 3.1 2 46 280 5 2 2007-08 Pittsburgh 15 104.1 264 404 65.3 3154 210.3 7.8 32 11 35 204 13.6 5.8 2 47 347 9 3 2008-09 Pittsburgh 16 80.1 281 469 59.9 3301 206.3 7.0 17 15 34 101 6.3 3.0 2 46 284 14 7 2009-10 Pittsburgh 15 100.5 337 506 66.6 4328 288.5 8.6 26 12 40 82 5.5 2.1 2 50 348 7 3 2010-11 Pittsburgh 12 97.0 240 389 61.7 3200 266.7 8.2 17 5 34 176 14.7 5.2 2 32 220 7 3 2011-12 Pittsburgh 14 91.5 301 473 63.6 3856 275.4 8.2 21 14 31 70 5.0 2.3 0 38 247 8 5
As you see-in every case the stats speak for themselves.Each one of these QB was playing consistent good football by their 4th year and not one of the went backwards like Flacco is doing. Do I need to say more-you obviously don't know anything about football so please quit posting directly towards me-I don't have time to waste on such trifles.
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yeah I saw the stats too. Most of the Qbs on that listen have a continued climb around their fourth year, not regress. Can you imagine what our record would be without the defense. I love the ravens born and raised in baltimore but even I can put my fan aside and look at the facts. yes I said "fact" lol.

[The Raven]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324855982' post='922684']
Bradys stats, 2000-01 New England 1 42.4 1 3 33.3 6 6.0 2.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 N/A 0 0 0 0 0 2001-02 New England 15 86.5 264 413 63.9 2843 189.5 6.9 18 12 36 43 2.9 1.2 0 41 216 12 3 2002-03 New England 16 85.7 373 601 62.1 3764 235.3 6.3 28 14 42 110 6.9 2.6 1 31 190 7 4 2003-04 New England 16 85.9 317 527 60.2 3620 226.3 6.9 23 12 42 63 3.9 1.5 1 32 219 13 5 2004-05 New England 16 92.6 288 474 60.8 3692 230.8 7.8 28 14 43 28 1.8 0.7 0 26 162 7 5 2005-06 New England 16 92.3 334 530 63.0 4110 256.9 7.8 26 14 27 89 5.6 3.3 1 26 188 4 3 2006-07 New England 16 87.9 319 516 61.8 3529 220.6 6.8 24 12 49 102 6.4 2.1 0 26 175 12 4 2007-08 New England 16 117.2 398 578 68.9 4806 300.4 8.3 50 8 37 98 6.1 2.6 2 21 128 5 4 2008-09 New England 1 83.9 7 11 63.6 76 76.0 6.9 0 0 0 0 0.0 N/A 0 0 0 0 0 2009-10 New England 16 96.2 371 565 65.7 4398 274.9 7.8 28 13 29 44 2.8 1.5 1 16 86 4 2 2010-11 New England 16 111.0 324 492 65.9 3900 243.8 7.9 36 4 31 30 1.9 1.0 1 25 175 3 1 2011-12 New England 15 105.1 378 576 65.6 4897 326.5 8.5 36 11 43 109 7.3 2.5 3 28 155 5
Brees stats 2001-02 San Diego 1 94.8 15 27 55.6 221 221.0 8.2 1 0 2 18 18.0 9.0 0 2 12 1 0 2002-03 San Diego 16 76.9 320 526 60.8 3284 205.3 6.2 17 16 38 130 8.1 3.4 1 24 180 1 0 2003-04 San Diego 11 67.5 205 356 57.6 2108 191.6 5.9 11 15 21 84 7.6 4.0 0 21 178 5 3 2004-05 San Diego 15 104.8 262 400 65.5 3159 210.6 7.9 27 7 53 85 5.7 1.6 2 18 131 7 2 2005-06 San Diego 16 89.2 323 500 64.6 3576 223.5 7.2 24 15 21 49 3.1 2.3 1 27 223 8 5 2006-07 New Orleans 16 96.2 356 554 64.3 4418 276.1 8.0 26 11 42 32 2.0 0.8 0 18 105 7 3 2007-08 New Orleans 16 89.4 440 652 67.5 4423 276.4 6.8 28 18 23 52 3.3 2.3 1 16 109 9 4 2008-09 New Orleans 16 96.2 413 635 65.0 5069 316.8 8.0 34 17 22 -1 -0.1 -0.0 0 13 92 6 1 2009-10 New Orleans 15 109.6 363 514 70.6 4388 292.5 8.5 34 11 22 33 2.2 1.5 2 20 135 9 6 2010-11 New Orleans 16 90.9 448 658 68.1 4620 288.8 7.0 33 22 18 -3 -0.2 -0.2 0 25 185 9 2 2011-12 New Orleans 14 109.1 417 583 71.5 4780 341.4 8.2 37 11 19 72 5.1 3.8 1 23 150 1 1
Mannings stats 1998-99 Indianapolis 16 71.2 326 575 56.7 3739 233.7 6.5 26 28 15 62 3.9 4.1 0 22 109 3 1 1999-00 Indianapolis 16 90.7 331 533 62.1 4135 258.4 7.8 26 15 35 73 4.6 2.1 2 14 116 5 3 2000-01 Indianapolis 16 94.7 357 571 62.5 4413 275.8 7.7 33 15 37 116 7.3 3.1 1 20 131 5 2 2001-02 Indianapolis 16 84.1 343 547 62.7 4131 258.2 7.6 26 23 35 157 9.8 4.5 4 29 232 7 3 2002-03 Indianapolis 16 88.8 392 591 66.3 4200 262.5 7.1 27 19 38 148 9.3 3.9 2 23 145 4 1 2003-04 Indianapolis 16 99.0 379 566 67.0 4267 266.7 7.5 29 10 28 26 1.6 0.9 0 18 107 6 1 2004-05 Indianapolis 16 121.1 336 497 67.6 4557 284.8 9.2 49 10 25 38 2.4 1.5 0 13 101 5 1 2005-06 Indianapolis 16 104.1 305 453 67.3 3747 234.2 8.3 28 10 33 45 2.8 1.4 0 17 81 5 2 2006-07 Indianapolis 16 101.0 362 557 65.0 4397 274.8 7.9 31 9 23 36 2.3 1.6 4 14 86 2 1 2007-08 Indianapolis 16 98.0 337 515 65.4 4040 252.5 7.8 31 14 20 -5 -0.3 -0.3 3 21 124 5 1 2008-09 Indianapolis 16 95.0 371 555 66.8 4002 250.1 7.2 27 12 20 21 1.3 1.1 1 14 86 1 0 2009-10 Indianapolis 16 99.9 393 571 68.8 4500 281.3 7.9 33 16 19 -13 -0.8 -0.7 0 10 74 2 0 2010-11 Indianapolis 16 91.9 450 679 66.3 4700 293.8 6.9 33 17 18 18 1.1 1.0 0 16 91 3 1
Rodgers stats 2008-09 Green Bay 16 93.8 341 536 63.6 4038 252.4 7.5 28 13 56 207 12.9 3.7 4 34 231 9 3 2009-10 Green Bay 16 103.2 350 541 64.7 4434 277.1 8.2 30 7 58 316 19.8 5.4 5 50 306 10 4 2010-11 Green Bay 15 101.2 312 475 65.7 3922 261.5 8.3 28 11 64 356 23.7 5.6 4 31 193 4 1 2011-12 Green Bay 14 120.1 322 473 68.1 4360 311.4 9.2 40 6 56 239 17.1 4.3 3 36 219 4 0
Roethlisbergers stats 2004-05 Pittsburgh 14 98.1 196 295 66.4 2621 187.2 8.9 17 11 56 144 10.3 2.6 1 30 213 2 2 2005-06 Pittsburgh 12 98.6 168 268 62.7 2385 198.8 8.9 17 9 31 69 5.8 2.2 3 23 129 2 1 2006-07 Pittsburgh 15 75.4 280 469 59.7 3513 234.2 7.5 18 23 32 98 6.5 3.1 2 46 280 5 2 2007-08 Pittsburgh 15 104.1 264 404 65.3 3154 210.3 7.8 32 11 35 204 13.6 5.8 2 47 347 9 3 2008-09 Pittsburgh 16 80.1 281 469 59.9 3301 206.3 7.0 17 15 34 101 6.3 3.0 2 46 284 14 7 2009-10 Pittsburgh 15 100.5 337 506 66.6 4328 288.5 8.6 26 12 40 82 5.5 2.1 2 50 348 7 3 2010-11 Pittsburgh 12 97.0 240 389 61.7 3200 266.7 8.2 17 5 34 176 14.7 5.2 2 32 220 7 3 2011-12 Pittsburgh 14 91.5 301 473 63.6 3856 275.4 8.2 21 14 31 70 5.0 2.3 0 38 247 8 5
As you see-in every case the stats speak for themselves.Each one of these QB was playing consistent good football by their 4th year and not one of the went backwards like Flacco is doing. Do I need to say more-you obviously don't know anything about football so please quit posting directly towards me-I don't have time to waste on such trifles.
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said the guy that assured us we would be swept by the Steelers and Flacco would be benched for Tyrod who would lead us to victory.

And you don't think this has the least bit to do with Cam becoming the new QB coach and being the OC? Last year Zorn was QB coach, this year Cam. Last year good, this year not so much. Interesting!

[wizard1]

From my side of the street I hear that Rivers may be out when Norv Turner is fired after the season in San Diego. Something may be in the air with all that. Right now it's just preparing for the 5th seed and 3 road playoff games again.

[The Raven]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324856896' post='922700']
From my side of the street I hear that Rivers may be out when Norv Turner is fired after the season in San Diego. Something may be in the air with all that. Right now it's just preparing for the 5th seed and 3 road playoff games again.
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And what "side of the street" do you hear this from?

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1324847828' post='922587']


I'm beginning to think that none of you actually watch Ravens games. Our defense has played like a bunch of scrubs for weeks and they have been far from "all wor(l)d" or "great" or anything else positive. They have been on vacation and need to come home!

I'm not going to defend Joe, no need. If you watched the game yesterday you know why the passing game floundered.
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Really? You really think the defense is why we struggle? That Chargers game, no doubt what-so-ever. Even with that game, they're the #4 and #2 (Pass - 193.9yds/game & Rush - 91.8yds/game) defense in the NFL after 16 weeks. But they hold more blame than the offense and Flacco?

I even saw someone ragging on the defense for yesterday. They tried to give it away ... the defense is crumbling. Really?

Yesterday the defense held Cleveland to 256 total yards, 5-13 on 3rd down, 0-1 on 4th down, one TD and no field goals while getting one INT and two sacks. And that's not good enough? What more do you expect a defense to do? Now are we asking them to score too?

The lengths people go to on these forums to shield Flacco from criticism amazes me at times.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324856896' post='922700']
From my side of the street I hear that Rivers may be out when Norv Turner is fired after the season in San Diego. Something may be in the air with all that. Right now it's just preparing for the 5th seed and 3 road playoff games again.
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Are you honestly a fan of this team? It's a serious question because I can't fathom how one can be SO negative 24/7 and call themselves a fan of that team. Being a fan is all about having faith in your team.