Who Will Our New Qb Be ?

[ravenmaniac 1950]

Cant dispute that he is the best QB we have had, but who have we had to compare him to? NO ONE! Look at the rookie QB''s this year. Do you think they would be successful with all the targets that the Ravens have more than Joe? Look at McCoy do you think he is better than Joe? Do you think his ability to step up and make more plays than Joe? I have to say I think McCoy has more ability physically and knowledge as a young QB that would make a lot of fans feel more at ease. The difference from a good QB and a average QB is a guy who has been around for 4 years should be able to fake the pants off a team, instead they wait for him to look at exactly who he is going to throw to and make their move. Why is he having such trouble leading his receivers. His ability to connect with his receivers in not what I would call anywhere near expectancy. He made a lot of comments in the off season about he wanted to make a difference in playing this year and wanted some play calling given to him. Well, the coach said they were going to let this happen. Well with the comments coming from Joe and Cameron this week surely did not sound like they were both operating like a team. Sound more like he did not want to consider much if any of what Joe wants. So, now do we say he is not stepping up because he does not want to go against his coaches wishes or does he feel insecure with his own decisions. We need to make sure that this is the offensive coordinator that we want. Just an opinion. Still think we are not more than a playoff team and definitely need to find out what we need to be a Super Bowl winner. Harbs brother came in with a 49er team that has not changed and look where they are today. So I have to ask myself, what is it going to take to get to the big Dance again

[JaxFlaccoFan]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1325276102' post='927016']
No i don't, last year Vick was one of the best QB's in this league. When Flacco can get out of the middle of the league, ill concede that he is a good quarterback. Vick is having a bad year on a team that is out of control. His stats are still in alot of categories better than Flacco's. Mind you he missed 3 games. Not sure what all this Flacco has better stats junk is about.People have started making up their own stats.
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Wow, really? You seem to cherry pick the years. Yes, Vick had a very good year last year, which is only one year out of a 9-year career. Let's look at their career stats.

Comp Att Pct Yds Yd/Att TD Int Rtg
Vick 1,398 2,499 55.9 17,577 7.0 108 71 81
Flacco 1,175 1,939 60.6 13,686 7.1 79 46 86

Flacco's TD to Interception ratio is 1.72, Vick's is 1.52.
Flacco's Interception to Pass Attempts percentage is 2.37%, Vick's is 2.84%.
Flacco has been in more playoff games in his 4-year career than Vick has been in his 9-year career.
Flacco has won a higher percentage of games than Vick.

I don't understand your logic at all, but you're entitled to your opinion. I'll take Flacco over Vick all day long.

[arnie_uk]

oh i like stats

[Raven Hammer]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1325392458' post='927868']
its 4 30 am, im quite drunk but im posting anyways, there is 4 elite qbs in this league... brees rodgers manning and brady

You coukd argue big ben, decent stats, but wins when it matters, or rivers, "elite stats" but chokes when it matters, there the closet

then you have flacco vick romo schaub ryan eli. thats the top 11 if my maths is right at this minute... no one is arguing he is elite

now to the orignal post, who would i swap flacoo for... rodgers only, the other elite qbs are old and would only have a few more years left, BB is inj alot and will have a few left, rivers chokes in the play offs, romo chokes, vick is not durable enough, schuab is too old along with eli for a straight trade.. ryan, come play on the east coast in the winter before i judge you, then you have dalton and newton.... possibly? give me a year or two...

Stafford, im not sure where he is yet, take away calvin and give me another fit season before i judge u also.

SO WHO WOULD I TAKE OVER FLACCO, YES A FEW RIGHT NOW, BUT THINKING LONG TERM, AND TRADE VALUE ETC JUST A RODGERS.... NO ONE ELSE COULD COME IN HERE DO WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO OVER THESE NEXT YEARS... SURE LETS GET RID OF HIM, THROW HIM TO THE DOGS, BUT WHO WILL REPLACE HIM, tYROD??? MAYBE WE PAY p MANN 15MILL YEAR ? HA
[/quote]

Good Take

Just remember with the new QB comes a paycheck. Any trade would not be a one for one because other players would have to go to get under the cap. There is a reason that the high powered Off have bad Def. It's not because their FO doesn't value Def. Get the connection? [u][b]Our front office knows[/b][/u]. IMO Joe is the perfect QB for us. He's good and getting better. He may or may not progress to Elite status. The truth as i see it is that the Ravens don't need him to be. We win with Joe as he is and as i said before he's getting better. We are and should be a run first team. The stats show Joe is a good QB but the most important stat is WIN'S. If and when that changes then this debate becomes relivent. IMO

[K-Dog]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1325401512' post='927885']



Does it have to be a REALISTIC alternative? Or can I throw out Rodgers, Brees and Brady?
[/quote]

Yeah kinda. My point was to be thats its easy to sit here and yell "bench Flacco" to fill his position well, is another thing.
Yeah, those three would be a huge step up getting them would be super costly.

[The Raven]

There's no way we would be able to replace him quickly and efficiently. There's no one out there that we will be able to sign or trade for. All the elite QB's are locked up. We definitely wouldn't trade for any of them. Any QB we draft could set us back. If we moved on from Flacco, we'd be further from a championship. That would set us back. Any established elite QB isn't going anywhere.

We're sticking with Flacco. There is no immediate improvement, and any rookie could potentially be a project, and even if he's not a project he'd set us back. Tyrod is a project, and you can't deny it.

[flynismo]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1325426993' post='927951']

Yeah kinda. My point was to be thats its easy to sit here and yell "bench Flacco" to fill his position well, is another thing.
Yeah, those three would be a huge step up getting them would be super costly.[/quote]

i know, lol...I emphasized the word 'realistic' for the benefit of the Flacco Sucks crowd.

Realistically, every QB out there not named Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning or maybe Rivers is at best a side step, because they aren't guaranteed to be better for us than Flacco.

If we could trade for one of the above QBs without giving up our next 3 first round picks and if we pretended there was no such thing as a salary cap, then I'd say heck yeah, lets go get one of them.

But stupid reality messes that dream up for me...

[flynismo]

As for Vick, I would trade Flacco for him.



If Philly agreed to pay half his salary, and threw in a 1st

[1/28/01]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1325446299' post='928197']
As for Vick, I would trade Flacco for him.
If Philly agreed to pay half his salary, and threw in a 1st
[/quote]
And Maclin

[flynismo]

Thats something I'd like to ask the Vick fan boy crowd...

Is he still so great when you factor in that he gets paid $17M or so a year??

[arnie_uk]

drew bress could quite possibly be a free agent this year, he has said he will not play under the franchise tag, obviously the saints will lock him up, but... would any of us cut flacco, not resign RR and ben grubbs to sign Brees to about 15 - 20 mill a year on a 4/5 year deal before he retires.

There is no way we can pay RR flacco Grubbs and Brees, hence why i said cut joe and not resign grubbs and RR. You might either of grubbs or RR, but you sure as hell wont get both.

So to kind of bring this thread back on track, would any body here do that, to get brees? realistic question

yous all want flaccos head, this is how you could have it...

[The Raven]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1325450676' post='928320']
[b]drew bress could quite possibly be a free agent this year[/b], he has said he will not play under the franchise tag, obviously the saints will lock him up, but... would any of us cut flacco, not resign RR and ben grubbs to sign Brees to about 15 - 20 mill a year on a 4/5 year deal before he retires.

There is no way we can pay RR flacco Grubbs and Brees, hence why i said cut joe and not resign grubbs and RR. You might either of grubbs or RR, but you sure as hell wont get both.

So to kind of bring this thread back on track, would any body here do that, to get brees? realistic question

yous all want flaccos head, this is how you could have it...
[/quote]

Sorry, but I laughed very hard at this.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325446334' post='928198']
And Maclin
[/quote]

And Jason Peters

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1325450770' post='928323']

Sorry, but I laughed very hard at this.
[/quote]
did you not read the rest of the first sentence, obviously the saints will lock him up.. he is a free agent at the end of the year, until they sign him

[scrock]

Flacco will always have haters but he aint going anywhere !!!

He's a winner, won most games in the league since 2008

back to back 12-4 season ? Divison Champs ?

[good_n_purple]

I think Joe will really blossom once Cam is canned. Up to this point he has pretty much done everything that was asked of him despite having marginal receivers, and a coordinator with rectal-cranial inversion.

[Kevin Mullins]

I can't believe people are still debating this..........

Flacco's contract has another year left on it...he is going to be our QB in 2012............

We will pay Webb and Rice this year. and let Grubbs walk...

Next year, as the older guys are definitely retiring Flacco will get his big payday.


Why is this a "HOT" topic anyway? We have a QB that is going to the playoffs for the 4th straight year, and has won more games then any other QB in their first 4 years......Last time I checked, that is a highly valuable statistic.

When we kick Cam to the curb, Flacco will be given a more wide open offense and will deliver the numbers that make all the stat geeks touch themselves.

[ghost1986]

I have the answer for this question: Flacco

[hawkprey]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1325450676' post='928320']
drew bress could quite possibly be a free agent this year, he has said he will not play under the franchise tag, obviously the saints will lock him up, but... would any of us cut flacco, not resign RR and ben grubbs to sign Brees to about 15 - 20 mill a year on a 4/5 year deal before he retires.

There is no way we can pay RR flacco Grubbs and Brees, hence why i said cut joe and not resign grubbs and RR. You might either of grubbs or RR, but you sure as hell wont get both.

So to kind of bring this thread back on track, would any body here do that, to get brees? realistic question

yous all want flaccos head, this is how you could have it...
[/quote]
I don't think Brees would be able to see over our offensive line.

[D-Rey]

Matt Flynn, I kid I kid

[Fricknmaniac]

I have to wonder, Brees could be the first player to be signed away to another team with a Franchise Tag. Sure the other team would have to give up two first round picks, but you get the guy who just CRUSHED Dan Marino's single season passing yardage record this year.

And it'd be easy enough to insert a poison pill into the contract to make sure the Saints can't match the offer.

That being said, it's a given that Brees is going to get Franchise Tagged by the Saints, and the Ravens won't be in a position to sign him away and give up two first round picks anyway.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Kevin Mullins' timestamp='1325464557' post='930526']
I can't believe people are still debating this..........

Flacco's contract has another year left on it...he is going to be our QB in 2012............

We will pay Webb and Rice this year. and[b] let Grubbs walk...[/b]

Next year, as the older guys are definitely retiring Flacco will get his big payday.


Why is this a "HOT" topic anyway? We have a QB that is going to the playoffs for the 4th straight year, and has won more games then any other QB in their first 4 years......Last time I checked, that is a highly valuable statistic.

When we kick Cam to the curb, Flacco will be given a more wide open offense and will deliver the numbers that make all the stat geeks touch themselves.
[/quote]

Explain. This is nonsense. Lol

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Fricknmaniac' timestamp='1325466116' post='930665']
I have to wonder, Brees could be the first player to be signed away to another team with a Franchise Tag. Sure the other team would have to give up two first round picks, but you get the guy who just CRUSHED Dan Marino's single season passing yardage record this year.

And it'd be easy enough to insert a poison pill into the contract to make sure the Saints can't match the offer.

That being said, it's a given that Brees is going to get Franchise Tagged by the Saints, and the Ravens won't be in a position to sign him away and give up two first round picks anyway.
[/quote]

That being said, Brees wouldn't survive in the AFCN. The weather alone would destroy him. Then there are the actual defenses he'd have to face. And who's going to pick him up so he can see over our O line? Yeah, don't see that working out.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1325469567' post='930884']
That being said, Brees wouldn't survive in the AFCN. The weather alone would destroy him. Then there are the actual defenses he'd have to face. And who's going to pick him up so he can see over our O line? Yeah, don't see that working out.
[/quote]

We don't know if Brees could survive in this division. The weather didn't prevent Big Ben from throwing for over 4000 yards three seasons ago or flirting with it again this season. And Dalton became one of the few rookie QBs to throw for over 3000 yards this year.

Facing better defenses would likely drop Drew's numbers a bit, but the guy would still likely carve secondaries up.

The height of the o-line playing a factor in his production is a joke. Not every throw a QB makes is directly over the head's of his lineman. Brees is a master at finding throwing lanes. And outside of the LTs, no one on the Saints is noticeably shorter than those on the Ravens.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1325470163' post='930907']

We don't know if Brees could survive in this division. The weather didn't prevent Big Ben from throwing for over 4000 yards three seasons ago or flirting with it again this season. And Dalton became one of the few rookie QBs to throw for over 3000 yards this year.

Facing better defenses would likely drop Drew's numbers a bit, but the guy would still likely carve secondaries up.

The height of the o-line playing a factor in his production is a joke. Not every throw a QB makes is directly over the head's of his lineman. Brees is a master at finding throwing lanes. And outside of the LTs, no one on the Saints is noticeably shorter than those on the Ravens.
[/quote]

Are you seriously going to make me defend Big Ben? Because I'm sorry, Brees is not made of the same stuff as Ben or Flacco. They take the hits and just get up and dust themselves off. Brees plays half of his games in a dome. Plus, another in a dome when he visits the Falcons. Then 2 more games in balmy Tampa and fairly moderate Carolina. Yeah, I don't see him putting up nearly the numbers if he were on an AFCN team. Sorry.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1325472715' post='931036']
Are you seriously going to make me defend Big Ben? Because I'm sorry, Brees is not made of the same stuff as Ben or Flacco. They take the hits and just get up and dust themselves off. Brees plays half of his games in a dome. Plus, another in a dome when he visits the Falcons. Then 2 more games in balmy Tampa and fairly moderate Carolina. Yeah, I don't see him putting up nearly the numbers if he were on an AFCN team. Sorry.
[/quote]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I doubt Brees smash records if he switched places with Joe, Ben or Dalton either, but I don't think he'd crumble either.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1325472715' post='931036']

Are you seriously going to make me defend Big Ben? Because I'm sorry, Brees is not made of the same stuff as Ben or Flacco. They take the hits and just get up and dust themselves off. Brees plays half of his games in a dome. Plus, another in a dome when he visits the Falcons. Then 2 more games in balmy Tampa and fairly moderate Carolina. Yeah, I don't see him putting up nearly the numbers if he were on an AFCN team. Sorry.
[/quote]
Wow, that is startlingly similar to something I once said about Peyton Manning.

Anyway, I have to agree with you. Not only would the schedule and locations not be condusive to his big numbers. In addition, the Ravens TEs aren't exactly Jimmy Graham... actually, the Ravens receivers aren't Jimmy Graham, not even if you combined them.

Personally, I think Brees a little old to risk what it would take to bring him to Baltimore.

[atlravensfan]

Hey you see what norv Turner did with Rivers. Man can you imagine how much he can develop flacco and the routes he can run for Pitta and Dickson. Sign another free agent receiver maybe not a big name but a middle level slot guy. Its really hard sometimes i will admit to tell if its all flacco or cam or both ya know.

[atlravensfan]

Problem with signing grubbs and rice is they are interconnected. If you sign one you are committed to the run in todays passing NFL. So if you go big name QB in todays passing nfl you might not sign rice keep grubbs and maybe add a receiver

[RavenDefense]

Joe Flacco Will Have An Average Career Like Tony Romo , Will Never Win A Super Bowl ,
- Sorry To Be So Low , But I See No Intensity In Flacco Like Other QBS , (Ex.Brady , Rodgers, )