Who Will Our New Qb Be ?

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1324831732' post='922397']
If Joe can't lead us to a victory over the Bengals next week I really think we need to give Tyrod Taylor a shot in the playoffs. We would play either the Broncos or the Raiders in the 1st round and I think he could lead us to a victory over either of those two teams.
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................why? So he can win a wild card game and the dumb fans can start clamoring for him to be the starter? Never mind that Flacco has won a playoff game in his first three seasons. Tyrod would have won us a Super Bowl. And according to the haters, Flacco's good stats against the Chiefs last season don't count because it was an easy road playoff game against the AFC west. But if Tyrod does halfway decent against the Broncos or Raiders, we'll all have to deal with the idiotic comments.

[ghost1986]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1324794538' post='922163']
For the record I think Flacco is our franchise QB. Wile I will admit he is not perfect (and who is ) I think he is by far the best the Ravens have ever had, and is a leader for our team.

BUT since so many of you think I am wrong and think Flacco should be cut.
WHO will be our starting QB next year?
How will we obtain this player?
and why do you think this player is significantly better than Joe Flacco?
I want facts not opinions, and dont even start with that "They show more emotion mumbo jumbo " screaming like a banshee doesnt win games. I want facts.

If you cant answer all three questions then shut up with the whole "cut Flacco" stuff.
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LMAO Screaming like a banshee. Best quote ever. And yes Joe has a great defense, but he made the plays yesterday. Merry Christmas.

[PuRock]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1324831732' post='922397']
[b]If Joe can't lead us to a victory over the Bengals next week I really th ink we need to give Tyrod Taylor a shot in the playoffs.[/b]We would play either the Broncos or the Raiders in the 1st round and I think he could lead us to a victory over either of those two teams.
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Oh my. What a hell of a way to mess with a team. We obviously have a winning formula with what we have as we currently sit at second. So why even try to rock the boat at this point in the season.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1324831732' post='922397']
If Joe can't lead us to a victory over the Bengals next week I really think we need to give Tyrod Taylor a shot in the playoffs. We would play either the Broncos or the Raiders in the 1st round and [b]I think he could lead us to a victory over either of those two teams[/b].
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smh Based on what exactly? His 100% completion record because he's thrown one pass during the regular season? Or perhaps it was the 2 yds he gained rushing this season? Oh no, I know. His performance in college because we all know that carries right over into the NFL. Really. Explain yourself here.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1324832269' post='922406']

Oh my. What a hell of a way to mess with a team. We obviously have a winning formula with what we have as we currently sit at second. So why even try to rock the boat at this point in the season.
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They live in fantasy land man. There's some kind of delusion that certain Ravens fans have; they think that if you don't have an elite QB, you should throw him away and start over. All things considered, a lot of our fans are pretty ungrateful. It's quite obnoxious.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1324831010' post='922393']

Would you care to explain to me then how we had a better defense and running back in 2002 and 2004 and still missed the playoffs?
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Get 'em!

Silly Flacco haters.

[flynismo]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324832534' post='922409']

They live in fantasy land man. There's some kind of delusion that certain Ravens fans have; they think that if you don't have an elite QB, you should throw him away and start over. All things considered, a lot of our fans are pretty ungrateful. It's quite obnoxious.
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And it kills me because these geniuses haven't even given Flacco time to become "elite". So, if you are not an elite QB inside the first 3 years of leaving college, then bring on Tyrod!!

[JHarris]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1324804998' post='922220']
I am really looking forward to seeing Joe without Cam. I truly believe that when Cam is fired, we will see Joe's true potential. If he still struggles after that, then I will have serious doubts.
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This is my thought as well. Look at Brees' and Rivers' numbers before and after Cam. I'm not saying Joe will ever be in their league but a QB is only as good as the system he's in. Think about Matt Cassell ,11-5 in NE and looked amazing,not so much in KC.

[Rinbee]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1324804998' post='922220']
I am really looking forward to seeing Joe without Cam. I truly believe that when Cam is fired, we will see Joe's true potential. If he still struggles after that, then I will have serious doubts.
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Agree to a point, but Cam is not the one consistently under/overthrowing receivers, even when protection is decent. INCONSISTENCY is the reason the fan base is so divided over Joe. For as many times as he makes a great play, he makes a really bad play.

[magna481]

Next year? Aaron Rodgers
We trade, Joe Flacco, Terrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata, Ray Rice, and our #1 picks for the next 3 years.
And do I have to say how he's better? He is more accurate of a passer, as shows by his completion percentage which is 12% better than Flacco's. He throws way more long balls, and completes them. 20+, he has 18 over joe. 40+, he has 5 more than joe. And he's a better rusher, 3 rushing td's and 239 yards to joe's 1 and 87. And it can't be proven, but I do think he would do just as well with our receivers. Boldin, drops a couple, but it's not like they're all perfect throws. Torrey, is a beast. Tandon doss has hands of glue, but doesn't see the field... and lee... well i've seen some TERRIBLE passes to him, just horrible..

but realistically, Flacco isn't "elite" like rodgers, but he gets the job done and is a winning QB. And for everyone that says "it's the D!", well we had a D when kyle boller was QB too... and I dont remember going to the playoffs 4 years in a row when he was QB...

[Rinbee]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324832534' post='922409']

They live in fantasy land man. There's some kind of delusion that certain Ravens fans have; they think that if you don't have an elite QB, you should throw him away and start over. All things considered,[b] a lot of our fans are pretty ungrateful.[/b] It's quite obnoxious.
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Maybe they are just tired of Joe not living up to the elite status hype that so many have put on Joe. I don't believe a QB change now would be in the Raven's best interest, but I can understand why people are concerned about his inconsistent play and past poor performance in the PO's.

[PurpleDrink]

This is a passing league, you must have a QB that can lead his offence. Ozzie and Steve knows this so if our QB doesnt get any better he will be replaced, it doesnt matter how you Flacco lovers feel about it this is a business.

[magna481]

and another flacco hater doesn't provide any facts, like the OP asked...
how cliche...

[gabefergy]

OK seriously, these threads are really pathetic.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1324820244' post='922290']


Fixed the neg for ya'.


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Really? I got neged for calling people out?
Hmmm I must be on to something.

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1324820328' post='922291']
And it's impossible for people to name a replacement on here lol, even with the Replace D.Reed and Cundiff threads. They all seem to think a player gets cut we magically. Have a probowl free agent appear on the roster as a replacement. No one ever names possible replacements or reasons that these players would be better for the team.
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I really think I have seen every player but Sizzle in some ones bench list this season. Ed Reed, Flacco, Rice, Lewis, Cundiff, Williams, all KEY players some one here has wanted to bench. If we benched HALF the players some people around here would want to bench Poe would end up on the field.

[quote name='Jerseyraven52205527' timestamp='1324822705' post='922308']
Fact, Flacco is not a leader, plays scared, & is not getting any better.
Sorry to say but it's a fact.
But the main problem is our coaching & ability to draft and/ or pick up play makers. Rice, Leach, & Boldin are the only playmakers we have acquired in past 4 years that make a difference. That's not enough to be a SB type team.
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Rice as at least two turnovers, and a 15 yard personal foul penalty. Why arent you throwing him under the same bus you throw Flacco?
Leach has dropped a few passes, Bolden has dropped passes, and failed to get separation. Why arent you throwing them under the same bus you throw Flacco?

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1324831732' post='922397']
If Joe can't lead us to a victory over the Bengals next week I really think we need to give Tyrod Taylor a shot in the playoffs. We would play either the Broncos or the Raiders in the 1st round and I think he could lead us to a victory over either of those two teams.
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No he wont. He cant. Cause we have a large well paid coaching staff that studies football in ways none of us do, and have knowledge far beyond most people here and they watch Tyrod day in and day out in practice. They see how he reacts to our defense and how he works with our offense. They know better than any one here what he can and cant do based on what they see every single day.
If Tyrod were the saviour of this team this thread would not exist.

People who are on the field are on the field for a reason. People that are on the bench are on the bench for a reason. Those reasons come from the 10 +/- hours a day they spend in practice under the watchful eye of people far more qualified to analyze professional football players than either you or I.

[wizard1]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1324833054' post='922417']


And it kills me because these geniuses haven't even given Flacco time to become "elite". So, if you are not an elite QB inside the first 3 years of leaving college, then bring on Tyrod!!
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and how much time does he need exactly? and in the meantime our all word defense gets old and ends up never getting the SB ring they deserve. I'm sure you were one of the guys that supported the Boller experiment till the bitter end. Here is a fact-next week Joe Flacco will again play like Pee Wee Herman and we will end up the 5th seeded wild card team and on the road throughout and I'm sure we all remember what that road looks like. I hear rumors on my end that Philip Rivers may be part of the Norv Turner firing at the end of the season and is unhappy in San Diego-its unconfirmed but possible!

[wizard1]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1324836953' post='922466']

Really? I got neged for calling people out?
Hmmm I must be on to something.



I really think I have seen every player but Sizzle in some ones bench list this season. Ed Reed, Flacco, Rice, Lewis, Cundiff, Williams, all KEY players some one here has wanted to bench. If we benched HALF the players some people around here would want to bench Poe would end up on the field.



Rice as at least two turnovers, and a 15 yard personal foul penalty. Why arent you throwing him under the same bus you throw Flacco?
Leach has dropped a few passes, Bolden has dropped passes, and failed to get separation. Why arent you throwing them under the same bus you throw Flacco?



No he wont. He cant. Cause we have a large well paid coaching staff that studies football in ways none of us do, and have knowledge far beyond most people here and they watch Tyrod day in and day out in practice. They see how he reacts to our defense and how he works with our offense. They know better than any one here what he can and cant do based on what they see every single day.
If Tyrod were the saviour of this team this thread would not exist.

People who are on the field are on the field for a reason. People that are on the bench are on the bench for a reason. Those reasons come from the 10 +/- hours a day they spend in practice under the watchful eye of people far more qualified to analyze professional football players than either you or I.
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I have the answer in just a few words-Joe Flacco is not what you call an inspiring leader and does NOT bring out the best in everyone around him and there you have it.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1324821098' post='922297']



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Well some of those qbs are elite and they rarely under or overthrow their receivers. Brees is money. He would be a perfect remedy to our lackluster offensive performances. How maby points do we leave on the field in regards to Joe Flacco not delivering a catchable ball?

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1324795919' post='922183']
He's a mediocre QB on a great defensive roster.
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You hit the nail on the head. This is exactly what he is. But until Cam Cameron gets his [i]<butt>[/i] out of here, I will stick up for Flacco because we have yet to witness his true potential.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1324820751' post='922292']
I wish I had a magic wand, I really do.

I'd like to stick P.Manning, [b]Eli[/b], Cam Newton, [b]Ryan[/b], [b]Brady[/b], Brees into the AFCN division for a season. For all the haters, yes, they can have our defense. But....here's the catch....they also have to take Cam and our receiving corps. Yeah. Like to see what they'd do.

It is only my opinion I know, but I just think here in the AFCN we need a different type of QB. All those gaudy numbers would be nice for Joe but it isn't what this division nor this team are about.
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Those are the only QB's on that list that have an excellent supporting cast. Peyton Manning always plays with the next man up, but Flacco just underthrows his. Cam Newton's WR core is pitiful besides Steve Smith, but hey, he just broke the record for most passing yards for a rookie. Brees' WR core is ok, he's just an excellent QB and can make anyone look good. You keep saying that the AFC North "needs a certain type of QB". That's just an excuse, and if you ask me, you're in denial about Flacco. I'll give him time show what he's really made of when Cam Cameron leaves, but until then, he's extremely inconsistent.

[PeRK82]

Flacco isnt the problem, we scored all our TDs in the first 17 mins of the game. Plus they were all throwing TDs. We should have continued to throw the ball but no we ran it umpteen million times. Yea RICE got his over 20 carries but did it really do anything, no it didnt, if anything it hurt us. Why try and run the clock out when you still have a whole half to play. I m sooooooo sick of hearing that we need Rice to get so many carries to win when that isnt the case.


Im starting to have a problem with Flacco only throwing Deep balls now, the guy is accurate and can make interm. passes and be just a effective. Can we just mix it up, if we are going to run it a 100 times can we atleast run it different ways instead of trying to run it up the middle when they are stacking the line.


Things Flacco has to work on and should have already been doing is

1. Looking off the safeties , hate it when he only looks at one receiever for 4 seconds then tries to throw it to him, little does he know the safeties are watching him the whole time.

2. He needs to do alot more Pump fakes, especially when he is throwing more deep balls, if he were to do this atleast 50% of the time the CB will freeze.

3. He really, really needs to sell the play action better. Favre was thee Best at this.

Im not a Football player or QB and i know its hard out there but the things above are pretty much common sense to help your offense out.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='Rinbee' timestamp='1324836025' post='922454']

Maybe they are just tired of Joe not living up to the elite status hype that so many have put on Joe. I don't believe a QB change now would be in the Raven's best interest, but I can understand why people are concerned about his inconsistent play and past poor performance in the PO's.
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well theres your answer flacco cam harbs all the guys with hater clubs should just stop consistantly winning and taking us to the playoffs every year so you dont create these lofty expectations anymore

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324840070' post='922508']
and how much time does he need exactly? and in the meantime our all word defense gets old and ends up never getting the SB ring they deserve. I'm sure you were one of the guys that supported the Boller experiment till the bitter end. Here is a fact-next week Joe Flacco will again play like Pee Wee Herman and we will end up the 5th seeded wild card team and on the road throughout and I'm sure we all remember what that road looks like. I hear rumors on my end that Philip Rivers may be part of the Norv Turner firing at the end of the season and is unhappy in San Diego-its unconfirmed but possible!
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we get a chance each year and thats what really matters Im sure thats all our all world d wants is a consistent opportunity. i hated boller but i wanted him to do well because im a ravens fan. heres a fact, your opinions aren't facts

[MagicianCamille]

[quote name='Jerseyraven52205527' timestamp='1324822705' post='922308']
Fact, Flacco is not a leader, plays scared, & is not getting any better.
Sorry to say but it's a fact.
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Everyone in the huddle when he orchestrated a game winning drive against Pittsburgh disagrees with you.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1324831732' post='922397']
If Joe can't lead us to a victory over the Bengals next week I really think we need to give Tyrod Taylor a shot in the playoffs. We would play either the Broncos or the Raiders in the 1st round and I think he could lead us to a victory over either of those two teams.
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Wow ... I can't even respond to that one. Wow.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1324831946' post='922399']
Anybody is better than Joe.

I for one think we should employ the QB carousel again and comb through guys like: Kyle Boller, Elvis Grbac, Tony Banks, Chris Redman, Kordell Stewart, Anthony Wright, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Blake, [u][b]Aging Steve McNair[/b][/u], Stoney Case, Randall Cunningham, Eric Zeier, Troy Smith, and Scott Mitchell.

Yea we'll get a guy right away, and he'll lead us to 4 Super Bowls. 4 playoffs appearances is unacceptable.

In fact we should go out next year and lose all of our games to give us a better shot. And hopefully we don't get a guy like Matt Leinhart or Ryan Leaf that will set our franchise back even farther.

Wait a minute. You know what? We really don't have it that bad!
[/quote]

umm...Rock.....Steve isn't "aging"...he's dead bruh! just wrong for you to mention him in your sarcastic rant. lol!

~Mili

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Rinbee' timestamp='1324836025' post='922454']

Maybe they are just tired of Joe not living up to the elite status hype that so many have put on Joe. I don't believe a QB change now would be in the Raven's best interest, but I can understand why people are concerned about his inconsistent play and past poor performance in the PO's.
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Just how many people here have considered Joe elite? Very few lovers have. I haven't, but I think he has what it takes. And again, I stubbornly refuse to let people mention his poor play in the playoffs without me bringing up how the team around him completely collasped and receivers couldn't catch and a good KC game the week before.

[Radinho84]

we have to see how he plays if cam is gone. before that you really cannot judge. look at all the abs that cam messed up. they all had pretty much the same numbers like joe has right now. i do think that joe has to learn a lot but i also think that we don´t use anybody on our offense the way we should.

the sad thing is that i just cannot imagine that we fir our oc after he got us to the playoffs again. just don´t see that happen. i guess we have to wait a few years until we finally can say what joe is able to do and what he can´t do...

[jaege]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1324826604' post='922346']

To be honest I think Joe is waiting to he gets his pay day before he becomes a vocal leader type guy. It happens more often then people think it does. If Joe had a new contract he would speak out more. He is in that same stage ray rice is in and Ngata was in. He really can't speak out against the coach or the play calling too much because he and his agent dont want flacco to be named as a malcontent which ownership will use as a tool to pay less. Most guys in contract years say nothing or watch what they say.
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I have often entertained this very idea. He can hardly tell Cam to kiss his ??? as that could mess up his contract negotiations. After he gets his contract things may be different.

[DMH_in_WA]

Hmmm .. this is actually an interesting question. Me, I'd rather replace the OC than go back on the QB carousel (do not get me started on Billick squandering the greatest defensive unit I've ever seen while he stroked his own freaking ego ..... I told you not to let me get started). But for giggles ...

Honestly, you'd have to go back to the tree. You'd have to go draft. Anybody you'd get from another NFL team at this point is gonna be a has-been or at the end of their career. And you need one rugged enough to fit AFC North style of play and the environment.

Now, if we're playing fantasyland and I had to roll the dice and find the young franchise QB who I think plugs into the AFC North I'm probably not looking any further than Cam Newton. Big (6'5", 250lbs), strong, athletic, fast, arm like cannon, elusive in the pocket, elusive out of the pocket:

60% completion rate, 3900 passing yards (20 TDs, 7.91 yds/att), 674 rushing yards (14 TDs, 5.6yds/carry), 27 receiving yards (1-1 ... that tickles me for some reason)

And you couldn't get him away from Carolina if you had Seal Team Six on your payroll.