A Trade For Roy Williams?

[POE]

We would have to run more 3 receiver sets for that dream to happen Twiz. What ever happened to those 3 and 4 receiver sets Cam was talking before the season? I have seen it a few times this season, mainly on 3rd and long, why not take those shots earlier then 3rd down? Take shots on 1st and 2nd to throw off the D. It still seems we get repetitive at times, running when we should throw, but it could just be becuase of Flacco. Anyways, back to the subject, draft a WR and stay away from the big money ones in FA or trades. I would rather see one grow from the start then have him come in here aged and looking for money.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='POE' post='73768' date='Oct 7 2008, 10:20 PM']We would have to run more 3 receiver sets for that dream to happen Twiz. What ever happened to those 3 and 4 receiver sets Cam was talking before the season? I have seen it a few times this season, mainly on 3rd and long, why not take those shots earlier then 3rd down? Take shots on 1st and 2nd to throw off the D. It still seems we get repetitive at times, running when we should throw, but it could just be becuase of Flacco. Anyways, back to the subject, draft a WR and stay away from the big money ones in FA or trades. I would rather see one grow from the start then have him come in here aged and looking for money.[/quote]

Well, to answer your question regarding 3 and 4 WR sets, I still think Joe (and everyone else) is still trying to learn the playbook. I thoroughly expect Cam to open it up more in the coming weeks as Joe and Co. get more comfortable... How does drafting a WR and paying him millions make sense when there is no guarantee of success (see: Travis Taylor and so far Mark Clayton) when you could trade for a proven, young Pro Bowl receiver in a Roy Williams in whom we know what we are getting.

[POE]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='73775' date='Oct 7 2008, 11:42 PM']Well, to answer your question regarding 3 and 4 WR sets, I still think Joe (and everyone else) is still trying to learn the playbook. I thoroughly expect Cam to open it up more in the coming weeks as Joe and Co. get more comfortable... How does drafting a WR and paying him millions make sense when there is no guarantee of success (see: Travis Taylor and so far Mark Clayton) when you could trade for a proven, young Pro Bowl receiver in a Roy Williams in whom we know what we are getting.[/quote]

I see your point and would welcome Roy Williams or most WR's of his caliber, but I just feel the best way to address the situation is through the draft and I have explained why quite a few times in this thread. I guess just my own opinion or gut feeling but don't think I don't understand why you guys would want Roy because he definetly has some skills that our current WR's probably will never have and he is proven.

[Raven07]

i dont really see this move in panning out for us in the long run of things, simply because of the fact that Roy himself stated that he wants to stay a Lion. Now that doesnt mean that he wont go to another team for the right price if offered the right way but if you really sit down and think about it, We said we made Re-signing Ray Ray, Bart, Suggs and a few other players on the team already,to long-term deals.....and ALL of which have experessed their desire to stay a Baltimore Raven at some point in time and they are players in which the Team owner himself said " we need to get these guys re-signed for locked up to long term deals....that is our top Priority" our recieving corp/group of guys can make the plays necessary when the ball is in fact thrown in their direction..... they all have the potential to be the "big time play makers" we want to see out there playing for us it all just comes down to getting the ball to them at that specific time and their ability to make it happen....remember...the possibility is always there for a big play to happen, all it takes is one second, one play, one step, one burst.......One whatever and we have a big play.

to add to it, there's always the simple fact of the draft next season and judging by the way Cameron has "been in the ear of Ozzie about a big Tall reciever" Im sure that we'll snag a few or at least one of them that way. And with them being drafted we have the ability to mold them into the Raven player(s) we want them to become and make them utilize their talents to best fit our schemes and playing style, versus when you trade for a player, you get in return a guy whom is a little older than if you were to draft a guy out of college...... and by drafting a guy out of college you also dont have that period of time of learning the language of the different schemes and what not that would prove to be rather costly at times because they dont full understand or are in tune with everything going on because they already have another teams system built into their head...if you know what i mean by that. Straight out of College, their younger, athletic, willing to learn, receptive to learning more about this offense.

[POE]

[quote name='Raven07' post='73785' date='Oct 8 2008, 01:02 AM']i dont really see this move in panning out for us in the long run of things, simply because of the fact that Roy himself stated that he wants to stay a Lion. Now that doesnt mean that he wont go to another team for the right price if offered the right way but if you really sit down and think about it, We said we made Re-signing Ray Ray, Bart, Suggs and a few other players on the team already,to long-term deals.....and ALL of which have experessed their desire to stay a Baltimore Raven at some point in time and they are players in which the Team owner himself said " we need to get these guys re-signed for locked up to long term deals....that is our top Priority" our recieving corp/group of guys can make the plays necessary when the ball is in fact thrown in their direction..... they all have the potential to be the "big time play makers" we want to see out there playing for us it all just comes down to getting the ball to them at that specific time and their ability to make it happen....remember...the possibility is always there for a big play to happen, all it takes is one second, one play, one step, one burst.......One whatever and we have a big play.

to add to it, there's always the simple fact of the draft next season and judging by the way Cameron has "been in the ear of Ozzie about a big Tall reciever" Im sure that we'll snag a few or at least one of them that way. And with them being drafted we have the ability to mold them into the Raven player(s) we want them to become and make them utilize their talents to best fit our schemes and playing style, versus when you trade for a player, you get in return a guy whom is a little older than if you were to draft a guy out of college...... and by drafting a guy out of college you also dont have that period of time of learning the language of the different schemes and what not that would prove to be rather costly at times because they dont full understand or are in tune with everything going on because they already have another teams system built into their head...if you know what i mean by that. Straight out of College, their younger, athletic, willing to learn, receptive to learning more about this offense.[/quote]

Very well thought of and written post. I have keyed in on a few of these reasons why the draft would benefit us rather then going out and getting one via FA or trade but you have added a few reasons that make a lot of sense. I have said it before and I'll say it again, I will welcome any WR of Roy Williams caliber baring what we give up for him, how much he wants to play in Bmore and how willing the WR is in coming to Bmore, but I still beleive that our best bet would, as stated above, would to strengthen our WR core via the draft.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

Once again,

I believe we have to let Flacco progress as a rookie before we open the playbook wide open to the passing game. We have a solid run game, which won us the two games, and he still made throws when he had to. Wait 'till about half way through to assess our situation. Remember guys, we are still in the "rebuilding" stage. We might have to wait 'till the offseason before we make any moves for a great wide reciever.

[POE]

[quote name='Troy SmiTH Xx' post='73799' date='Oct 8 2008, 08:45 AM']Once again,

I believe we have to let Flacco progress as a rookie before we open the playbook wide open to the passing game. We have a solid run game, which won us the two games, and he still made throws when he had to. Wait 'till about half way through to assess our situation. Remember guys, we are still in the "rebuilding" stage. We might have to wait 'till the offseason before we make any moves for a great wide reciever.[/quote]

Thats why I keep saying to address this problem through the draft, so that Flacco has somebody to grow with. As far as Flacco progressing in the playbook goes, he can't progress in deep routes if his receivers can't get deep. I mean look at Matt Ryan hooking up with Roddy White deep. The deep ball will work with Joe with receivers that get out there and get open, but we haven't seen that from any of our WR's yet but there is no sense in spending a bunch of money for somebody that you can find younger and willing to learn and grow with Flacco.

[ravens world]

i understand what you guys are saying but say we go draft somebody that turns out like clayton we will be screwd we need to go after willims cause if we dont somebody else will also if we give up the right stuff there looking for why wouldnt they trade with us we would then be a team 1 more thing when ia rookie qb comes into nfl they learn more when they have better recivers to throw it too not just 1 but 2 3 or more willims would flacco and they will go deep and he would learn from deep bombs cause we actully would go deep so im saying that getting rillims is good cause

1. we get a big time deep reciver
2. we wont end up getting a reciver like clayton
3 he will help flacco with the passing so he doesnt have to look for mason all the time
4 have more passing options
5will make our offence better and we would then be a playoff team

[FerrariFan87]

I am just hoping Coach Cam is in Ozzie and Harb's ear about our receivers and our dire need for a guy that can stretch the field and actually acquire YAC (Yards After Catch)!! Roy Williams COULD be that guy, we will just have to wait and see, but time is running out!!

[Raven07]

which im sure he is, but as far as going after a big time reciever during free agency is simply not realistic, we have made a point of interest to re-sign the play makers we already have and the fact that those players want back, is something that we should take into serious consideration before anything else. Besides the other thing is by going after a younger guy(s) through the draft, we not only have the ability to mold them to our schemes and do what we want them to do and all that, but we dont necessarily have to sign them to BIG time deals..... they'll be rookies and so they will (most likely) get signed to less expensive deals, and that alone, gives the Team and the player(s) themselves, a chance to see what we or they really got and the potential they may possess without spending BIG time money and thus risking financial problems for us down the road (CAP space)...and IF......IF they do show progress and they do demonstrate the athletism we need them to be out there on the football field, only THEN would the bigger Contract's and the money come.

[PuRock]

It is being rumored that the 49ers organization is trying to get Roy Williams. I can't wait until October 14th, so we can stop all these trade talks. I think Roy Williams is a big waste of draft picks, come free agency in Feb.

[YABOY]

This might not be a good idea because roy is not doing nothing with a qb he been around for years & him coming to the ravens with a new offense & rookie qb who probaly never even heard of wouldn't be a good thing plus it's 12 games left what if clayton or willams play great in these last 12 games then all this talk about a big play wr would problay stop

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Raven07' post='73822' date='Oct 8 2008, 11:15 AM']which im sure he is, but as far as going after a big time reciever during free agency is simply not realistic, we have made a point of interest to re-sign the play makers we already have and the fact that those players want back, is something that we should take into serious consideration before anything else. Besides the other thing is by going after a younger guy(s) through the draft, we not only have the ability to mold them to our schemes and do what we want them to do and all that, but we dont necessarily have to sign them to BIG time deals..... they'll be rookies and so they will (most likely) get signed to less expensive deals, and that alone, gives the Team and the player(s) themselves, a chance to see what we or they really got and the potential they may possess without spending BIG time money and thus risking financial problems for us down the road (CAP space)...and IF......IF they do show progress and they do demonstrate the athletism we need them to be out there on the football field, only THEN would the bigger Contract's and the money come.[/quote]

Our only playmakers are on Defense, which has been the case the past decade! We need some playmakers on OFFENSE for a change if we are going to become an elite team, because even though our D is excellent this year, the past two weeks have exposed our weaknesses on both O and D!

[POE]

I am tired of hearing about our past WR's! Those guys were drafted under a complete different coaching staff. In defense of Mark Clayton, he has shown that he can be a good WR when healthy. He has a long way to go and unfortunately for him Flacco right now is more comfortable with Mason right now, but he will get his chance to shine. The fact of the matter is that it is obvious that we need a WR that can spread the field and grow with Flacco. This coaching staff and Ozzie will look deep into this years draft to find that guy and who they decide to take will be a big fast guy that will hopefully do just what we need him to do.

[Raven07]

which is a priority, but the team has made it an immediate priority to get our current playmakers re-signed and back on the field as a Raven and not with another team. Besides like i said in my post before, we can address the WR need through the draft, plain and simple, they are younger players whom are eager to learn and we can mold them to fit our scheme and what we're trying to do. Why spend Millions of dollars on a few guys that are a lil older and therefore will demand big contracts and risk our financial situation with the CAP space, when we can get a guy or Guy(s) through the draft whom have the same if not more talent than the older guy(s). This way is plays out well for both sides, the Team doesnt have to spend alot of money and further any financial situation we may have, while in return....the player himself gets the chance to go out there and prove to everyone that they made the right choice, and shows everyone that he can perform well against the best of the best..... THEN later the biger contracts will come as a result.

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='YABOY' post='73825' date='Oct 8 2008, 08:25 AM']This might not be a good idea because roy is not doing nothing with a qb he been around for years & him coming to the ravens with a new offense & rookie qb who probaly never even heard of wouldn't be a good thing plus it's 12 games left what if clayton or willams play great in these last 12 games then all this talk about a big play wr would problay stop[/quote]

Are you really going to use THAT argument? The reason that Roy wants to be traded off the Lions is because since they got Calvin Johnson he's become the go-to guy on the team now, plus the Lions Offensive Line is terrible and they have been changing QB every game at times, so the guy throwing him the ball isn't the same guy (Kitna) that he's bee playing with all there years.

[RavensIQ]

Mark Clayton and a 5th rd draft pick for Roy Williams.

[neepo13]

[quote name='YABOY' post='73825' date='Oct 8 2008, 11:25 AM']This might not be a good idea because roy is not doing nothing with a qb he been around for years & him coming to the ravens with a new offense & rookie qb who probaly never even heard of wouldn't be a good thing plus it's 12 games left what if clayton or willams play great in these last 12 games then all this talk about a big play wr would problay stop[/quote]

The Lions offensive line is horrid.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

I think we should stop speculating, because it's only beinging false hopes to some people.

If it happens, it happens...

If it doesn't, it doesn't...