A Trade For Roy Williams?

[CARavensFan]

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With the trade deadline fast approaching I though I'd put this one out there. Would you want to get Roy Williams in a trade before the trading deadline to help give us a big play WR for the rest of the season.

I'm for it, but for the right price and what the Lions tried to get from the Cowboys (follow the link if you don't understand) would be too much in my opinion.

Let's keep it civil, but discussion and debate is good too.

[neepo13]

I would love it if we pulled the trigger on this but only at the right price.Our offense has improved but its not going to get better until we can get a serious passing threat. Maybe we can do a trade like the Favre trade. We offer up a second and a 4th this year. And a 3rd or something next year. And depending on how well he produces here, those picks go up.

[CARavensFan]

I thought the deal with the Favre trade was based on how much he did and how far the Jets went into the playoffs. Something like is they having a winning record the Packers get a 4th, if they make it to the first round of the playoffs they get a 3rd, second round a 2nd and if the Jets make it to the Super Bowl they get a 1st.

I might be wrong, but I though I heard someone saying that was how they worked out the trade.

But if I am am wrong and we have to give up multiple picks, I'd think offering the Lions some picks next year would be a good offer since they'll be looking to stockpile draft picks as they try to rebuild past the post-Millen era.

[PuRock]

I'm still in the perhaps (no) range. I would feel better if it wasn't for a player that would be guaranteed only for 3/4 of a season before he hits free agency. I have a feeling that Roy wants to test free agency, especially with the deals WR have been getting lately.

I'll be the first to admit I'm of the conservative mindset. I would prefer to wait until the end of the season, assess our situation, and if need be obtain a proven WR through free agency. But there aren't too many impressive names, plus some of these guys probably renegotiated their contracts.

[quote]Wide Receiver:
Hank Baskett, RFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Bobby Engram, UFA, Seattle Seahawks
Lee Evans, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Jabar Gaffney, UFA, New England Patriots
Dante

[MKdave]

[quote name='PuRock' post='73404' date='Oct 6 2008, 08:07 PM']FYI this website doesn't look to reliable. It still has Koren Robinson with Green Bay.[/quote]

And Lee Evans has a new contract.

[ravens world]

yea i would love the ravens if we can get roy willims and i started talking about getting a big reciver in the draft in my topic 2008 draft lol but yea wow then we would have offense and deffense but asking people is it possable would could go for him for the right price if so on the harbrah show this week someone should suggest this to him maybe he will look at the options

[EXEravenforlife]

i say yes but it depends on what we give up for him...there is no way he is worth a first round pick...he might not be worth a second round either

[FerrariFan87]

The Lions are nuts if they still think they are going to get anything close to even ONE 1st Round pick at this point... Maybe a 3rd and 7th in 2009 and a conditional 4th in 2010?

[EXEravenforlife]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='73451' date='Oct 6 2008, 05:54 PM']The Lions are nuts if they still think they are going to get anything close to even ONE 1st Round pick at this point... Maybe a 3rd and 7th in 2009 and a conditional 4th in 2010?[/quote]

that sounds about right. i wouldnt mind doing that at all

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='EXEravenforlife' post='73449' date='Oct 6 2008, 02:47 PM']i say yes but it depends on what we give up for him...there is no way he is worth a first round pick...he might not be worth a second round either[/quote]

Yeah I wouldn't want us to give up our 1st round pick, but maybe a 2nd and then a later round pick. I think to get McGahee we gave up a pair of 3rd round picks (one in the current year and one in the next) as well as a 5th round in the current draft. I would put Roy Williams up there with McGahee in terms of the impact he would make with our team so if we would give up something comparable (maybe a 2nd and 5th this year and a 3rd next year) because the new pair of GMs for the Lions are going to want to stockpile picks to rebuild their team.

[Bullrush]

You don't waste a 1st round pick or even two 1st round picks on a veteran wide receiver, i don't care how good he is. Those trades never work out. By the way, the Patriots got Randy Moss for a 4th round pick.

[Eurich]

2nd and a 6th

DO IT

[Ravens52]

Yessss, I'd love it so much. 26 year old pro bowl receiver in his prime.

Derrick Mason and Roy Williams

I like the sound of that. They alone would propel us into one of the NFL's top 10 receiver corps.

I don't see this one happening though

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='Bullrush' post='73456' date='Oct 6 2008, 03:28 PM']You don't waste a 1st round pick or even two 1st round picks on a veteran wide receiver, i don't care how good he is. Those trades never work out. By the way, the Patriots got Randy Moss for a 4th round pick.[/quote]

I wasn't saying we should offer 2 1st rounders, let alone 1, but if a deal could be worked out between the Lions and Ravens to get us Roy Williams I think it would be a big boost for our offense to give us a WR that opposing defenses would have to gameplan around.

It would make the defense have to choose their poison, they try and stop the run and then Roy could go over the top of them with a deep throw from Flacco or they double up Roy and then our 3-headed RB Monster can run through them.

I know it won't be [i]that[/i] simple to put into place, but the simple fact is that it would make our offense less run dependant and more balanced, which would only help the entire team.

Think of it this way:
Balanced, efficient Offense + Well Rested #1 Defense = a scary team

[neepo13]

[quote name='CARavensFan' post='73403' date='Oct 6 2008, 03:05 PM']I thought the deal with the Favre trade was based on how much he did and how far the Jets went into the playoffs. Something like is they having a winning record the Packers get a 4th, if they make it to the first round of the playoffs they get a 3rd, second round a 2nd and if the Jets make it to the Super Bowl they get a 1st.

I might be wrong, but I though I heard someone saying that was how they worked out the trade.

But if I am am wrong and we have to give up multiple picks, I'd think offering the Lions some picks next year would be a good offer since they'll be looking to stockpile draft picks as they try to rebuild past the post-Millen era.[/quote]

Yes, and thats exactly what I am talking about.

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='neepo13' post='73486' date='Oct 6 2008, 04:42 PM']Yes, and thats exactly what I am talking about.[/quote]

Yeah, that was my mistake I didn't read the last line in your post . . . my mistake lol

[neepo13]

[quote name='PuRock' post='73404' date='Oct 6 2008, 03:07 PM']I'm still in the perhaps (no) range. I would feel better if it wasn't for a player that would be guaranteed only for 3/4 of a season before he hits free agency. I have a feeling that Roy wants to test free agency, especially with the deals WR have been getting lately.

I'll be the first to admit I'm of the conservative mindset. I would prefer to wait until the end of the season, assess our situation, and if need be obtain a proven WR through free agency. But there aren't too many impressive names, plus some of these guys probably renegotiated their contracts.


FYI this website doesn't look to reliable. It still has Koren Robinson with Green Bay.[/quote]

Even still Roy Williams is the only one on that list that consistantly does well and is young enough to be a big target for Flacco for years to come.

[bossman419]

detroit needs the picks... i dont see how they can turn down a 2nd and a 5th.

they should blow that roster up and start from scratch

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='PuRock' post='73404' date='Oct 6 2008, 12:07 PM']I'm still in the perhaps (no) range. I would feel better if it wasn't for a player that would be guaranteed only for 3/4 of a season before he hits free agency. I have a feeling that Roy wants to test free agency, especially with the deals WR have been getting lately.

I'll be the first to admit I'm of the conservative mindset. I would prefer to wait until the end of the season, assess our situation, and if need be obtain a proven WR through free agency. But there aren't too many impressive names, plus some of these guys probably renegotiated their contracts.[/quote]

I would also point out that the reason Roy wants to leave the Lions is because they are losing and if we were to pick him up and start winning, even if don't reach and/or go deep into the playoffs do you think he'd leave for another team if he thought he might, finally be a team that will consistently have more wins than loses and has a GM who knows something about the way to draft players?

[POE]

I voted yes, but the yes depends on what or who we gave up for him. I still think that aquiring a WRthrough the draft would be smarter in the long run. Roy is young and very talented but would end up costing a lot of money as a rookie could would come cheap until his contract ends. Drafting one next year also gives Flacco a WR to grow along with him, something similiar to how Cutler and Marshall will do out there in Denver. Like I said before I would welcome Roy Williams or any stud WR for that matter, but would much rather the team go out and draft one, I think that is the smartest thing for the team.

[neepo13]

[quote name='POE' post='73497' date='Oct 6 2008, 07:54 PM']I voted yes, but the yes depends on what or who we gave up for him. I still think that aquiring a WRthrough the draft would be smarter in the long run. Roy is young and very talented but would end up costing a lot of money as a rookie could would come cheap until his contract ends. Drafting one next year also gives Flacco a WR to grow along with him, something similiar to how Cutler and Marshall will do out there in Denver. Like I said before I would welcome Roy Williams or any stud WR for that matter, but would much rather the team go out and draft one, I think that is the smartest thing for the team.[/quote]

Thats not neccessarily true. I dont think we will be picking very high next year and to get one of the better recievers we are going to have to get into the top 10. And if we have to dish out top 10 money for a WR, then you might as well go a head and give that money to a guy like Roy Williams. Calvin Johnson came in the league making more money then Reggie Wayne and Randy Moss. His contract rivals Marvin Harrison's. And then there's the fact that none of the wr's this organization has ever drafted has been able to become regular playmakers for us.

[POE]

[quote name='neepo13' post='73503' date='Oct 6 2008, 08:03 PM']Thats not neccessarily true. I dont think we will be picking very high next year and to get one of the better recievers we are going to have to get into the top 10. And if we have to dish out top 10 money for a WR, then you might as well go a head and give that money to a guy like Roy Williams. Calvin Johnson came in the league making more money then Reggie Wayne and Randy Moss. His contract rivals Marvin Harrison's. And then there's the fact that none of the wr's this organization has ever drafted has been able to become regular playmakers for us.[/quote]

I'm not sure if I'm totally correct on this, but it is my understanding that the contract a rookie gets will be cheaper because they get more money over time rather then the big signing bonus that comes straight to the player when added in FA or a new deal. I am know it is possible to get a huge signing bonus as a rookie but that doesn't necessarily mean we have to get to the bottom of the first to get a good one. There are plenty that get signed every year that don't go in the first round that are legit WR's such as Brandon Marshall, Marques Colston, Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson. Those are just a few from recent memory and I am sure that there are tons more but you get my point.

[neepo13]

[quote name='POE' post='73509' date='Oct 6 2008, 08:15 PM']I'm not sure if I'm totally correct on this, but it is my understanding that the contract a rookie gets will be cheaper because they get more money over time rather then the big signing bonus that comes straight to the player when added in FA or a new deal. I am know it is possible to get a huge signing bonus as a rookie but that doesn't necessarily mean we have to get to the bottom of the first to get a good one. There are plenty that get signed every year that don't go in the first round that are legit WR's such as Brandon Marshall, Marques Colston, Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson. Those are just a few from recent memory and I am sure that there are tons more but you get my point.[/quote]

And I'd agree with that if this organization hadnt had such a shaky history drafting WR's. We drafted Dwill over Brandon Marshall.

[POE]

Yea but didn't Brandon Marshall have off the field issues or some personality problems? It just seems come draft time that Ozzie and company take a deep look at those type issues and for the most part we have stayed away from players with those type of back grounds. I think now that we have Harbaugh those type issues will be looked t even more. Either way I understand what you mean and know our track record with WR's but you have to remember that we have a a complete different coaching staff and Cam has shown that he knows what to look for in these type of players.

[neepo13]

[quote name='POE' post='73513' date='Oct 6 2008, 08:30 PM']Yea but didn't Brandon Marshall have off the field issues or some personality problems? It just seems come draft time that Ozzie and company take a deep look at those type issues and for the most part we have stayed away from players with those type of back grounds. I think now that we have Harbaugh those type issues will be looked t even more. Either way I understand what you mean and know our track record with WR's but you have to remember that we have a a complete different coaching staff and Cam has shown that he knows what to look for in these type of players.[/quote]

IDK, he might have. We will see how good Cam is in the very near future. We drafted Smith and Harper this year, under his guidence.

[POE]

[quote name='neepo13' post='73516' date='Oct 6 2008, 08:39 PM']IDK, he might have. We will see how good Cam is in the very near future. We drafted Smith and Harper this year, under his guidence.[/quote]

Yea we did draft those guys under his guidance but we had different priorities, good point though. Hopefully something will fall through and we will get that WR that we have needed since the start of this team, no offense to Derrick Mason because the guy is a stud, and him and Flacco will run the league like Peyton and Marvin did for so long.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='neepo13' post='73511' date='Oct 6 2008, 08:24 PM']And I'd agree with that if this organization hadnt had such a shaky history drafting WR's. We drafted Dwill over Brandon Marshall.[/quote]

Not to mention, uh, Travis Taylor #10 overall in 2000

[POE]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='73525' date='Oct 6 2008, 10:38 PM']Not to mention, uh, Travis Taylor #10 overall in 2000 [/quote]

Like I said before we all have to understand that those drafts were under a complete different coaching staff. One could say that Cam and Harbaugh had there chance this year but the goal was to get that franchise QB and so far it looks as if they may have succeeded with Flacco. We have to beleive that Cam and Harbaugh are looking to get the game changing WR to grow with Flacco because it seems everything else is in place. The O-line is young and looks strong so far, our Run attack is dominate and young and Flacco looks very promising. Addressing this issue via trade or FA seems like a quick fix and a very expensive one at that..we should look deep into the 2009 WR class and go get us that guy that can change games and grow with our new QB of the future.

[Toreno]

I would love to see this happen.

[twiz42]

williams and mason with clayton in sthe slot. flacco would progress much faster and clayton would be where he needs to be in the slot.