Jason La Canfora Sees Norv Headed To Baltimore

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[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1325123580' post='925584']
oh you boys would think something like that wouldn't you. more quality posts. keep em coming

imma just repost this so yall know about what level of conversation i was hoping for

thats the thing it may help it may hurt when you make changes but i know exactly what we got now and it has consistently produced the same numbers every year which he tried to open up this year and admittedly didnt get the production he wanted but we will still finish on par for what we have don the last 3 years 3,300+passer 1,200+rusher playoffs what is wrong with the job he has done when he trys new things in adverse circumstances it dosent pay off yet he still hits his averages. to me that says this is where we are at solid, at the vary least we can expect numbers around this. but if we hit those 28 drop passes, or if we zig instead of zag here, or if we throw on target here. I am just sayin we are pretty damn good and have consistently been so for 4 years and we are only going to get better. but you know all that stupid optimism i have for my team

year/total yrds/passing/rushing/td/1st/3rd/4th/sack/fg
2011 / 5072 / 3297 /1775 / 38 / 297 / 97 / 4 / 30 / 29 (1 game left)
2010 / 5166 / 3335 / 1831 / 40 / 303 / 82 / 4 / 27 / 26
2009 / 5619 / 3419 / 2200 / 47 / 320 / 89 / 6 / 32 / 21
2008 / 5184 / 2808 / 2376 / 42 / 300 / 95 / 7 / 34 / 28
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That we've only done as well as matching previous years' production is a problem in my eyes. Joe is more experienced, we've upgraded the receiving corp and fixed other problems that have plagued us. The offense has is as inconsistent as ever, if not more so. I'm not confident as you are (not knocking you for that at all) that he can guide this offense to the next level. Especially where Joe is concerned, I think we could do better with someone else.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1325159039' post='925792']


That we've only done as well as matching previous years' production is a problem in my eyes. Joe is more experienced, we've upgraded the receiving corp and fixed other problems that have plagued us. The offense has is as inconsistent as ever, if not more so. I'm not confident as you are (not knocking you for that at all) that he can guide this offense to the next level. Especially where Joe is concerned, I think we could do better with someone else.
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Yeah, same boat here. That chart, in my opinion, was more pro those in favor of firing Cam. Regression from 2009 to 2010 and then a seemingly plateaued 2011 plagued by inconsistency does not equal an offensive recipe for success!

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1325150131' post='925779']

ya im an elitist with my eccentric difference of opinion and fancy facts its all smoke and mirrors
i dont know if im above you or below you or on your left or right.... im thinking all around you like the atmosphere
dont be so sensitive i can and will have a conversation but i hate when i bring up a good point and it is blatantly disregarded because it clashes with their perspective i have read and considered a lot of things in this thread but to be honest there is just a lot of over opinionated filler, platitudes if you will i would say its about a 70/30 ratio

i said
Cameron was the quarterbacks coach for the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins"]Washington Redskins[/url] between 1994 and 1996. He is credited with guiding quarterback [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Frerotte"]Gus Frerotte[/url] to his only [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Bowl"]Pro Bowl[/url] appearance in 1997, and also played a key role in the development of Pro Bowl quarterback [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Green"]Trent Green"[/url]

he said
Well since guys like Norv Turner, Marty Schottenheimer, etc. were also around, we can't really say what role Cam had in their development. What I know is that with other guys around, some of Cam's qb's succeeded.

i said
dont worry bout giving credit where it is due that would mess with your point of views validity right

you said
you ignored [h]is post, didn't validate any of his points, and then [b]instead of making a case for yourself[/b], you say this? And I'll give Cam credit where it's due. All of it. Our offense's inconsistency is all his credit in my mind. He's stifled the growth of our players and has cost us many crucial games. And the games we have one[won] are more because of our defense's ability to keep it close and Flacco's ability to somehow be patient enough to make his predictable game plans work.

see thats the thing i have made a case over and over and it is incessantly overlooked just read back through the threads look at my elitist posts. if your face doesnt melt off, you will see that. then you just give more opinionated boggle babble. just watched the second steelers game again. man what a great one! we had the lead but the d surrendered it you would think it was all over, what with our predictable o gameplan and all. then, in the final 2 min, we drive it 92 yards! there was a bunch of drama with 4th down conversions, a bunch of dropped passes, but in the end flacco hits our blossoming rookie wr for the game winner!!.... but cam has nothing to do with any of that, right?
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Jags, titans , Seahawks, chargers game. Yes cam has credit for the 92 yard drive. Which makes the inconsistency that our offense didn't show up the very next game and three other games more mind boggling. 21.carries.in.4.games. for ray rice. Those are the facts. Can isn't the worst OC but there are plenty better that would make the offense that led that 92 yard drive appear for 4 quarters every game. Can has developed qbs in the past as you saud

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1325150131' post='925779']

ya im an elitist with my eccentric difference of opinion and fancy facts its all smoke and mirrors
i dont know if im above you or below you or on your left or right.... im thinking all around you like the atmosphere
dont be so sensitive i can and will have a conversation but i hate when i bring up a good point and it is blatantly disregarded because it clashes with their perspective i have read and considered a lot of things in this thread but to be honest there is just a lot of over opinionated filler, platitudes if you will i would say its about a 70/30 ratio

i said
Cameron was the quarterbacks coach for the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins"]Washington Redskins[/url] between 1994 and 1996. He is credited with guiding quarterback [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Frerotte"]Gus Frerotte[/url] to his only [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Bowl"]Pro Bowl[/url] appearance in 1997, and also played a key role in the development of Pro Bowl quarterback [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Green"]Trent Green"[/url]

he said
Well since guys like Norv Turner, Marty Schottenheimer, etc. were also around, we can't really say what role Cam had in their development. What I know is that with other guys around, some of Cam's qb's succeeded.

i said
dont worry bout giving credit where it is due that would mess with your point of views validity right

you said
you ignored [h]is post, didn't validate any of his points, and then [b]instead of making a case for yourself[/b], you say this? And I'll give Cam credit where it's due. All of it. Our offense's inconsistency is all his credit in my mind. He's stifled the growth of our players and has cost us many crucial games. And the games we have one[won] are more because of our defense's ability to keep it close and Flacco's ability to somehow be patient enough to make his predictable game plans work.

see thats the thing i have made a case over and over and it is incessantly overlooked just read back through the threads look at my elitist posts. if your face doesnt melt off, you will see that. then you just give more opinionated boggle babble. just watched the second steelers game again. man what a great one! we had the lead but the d surrendered it you would think it was all over, what with our predictable o gameplan and all. then, in the final 2 min, we drive it 92 yards! there was a bunch of drama with 4th down conversions, a bunch of dropped passes, but in the end flacco hits our blossoming rookie wr for the game winner!!.... but cam has nothing to do with any of that, right?
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Jags, titans , Seahawks, chargers game. Yes cam has credit for the 92 yard drive. Which makes the inconsistency that our offense didn't show up the very next game and three other games more mind boggling. 21.carries.in.4.games. for ray rice. Those are the facts. Can isn't the worst OC but there are plenty better that would make the offense that led that 92 yard drive appear for 4 quarters every game. Can has developed qbs in the past as you said. But a couple success stories don't outweigh recent shortcomings. Its about what have you done from me lately. And in Cam's case, its been too many ups and Downs. Now if we make a Superbowl run, I might give cam more slack. But until then, I believe he's holding us back

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1325159039' post='925792']

That we've only done as well as matching previous years' production is a problem in my eyes. Joe is more experienced, we've upgraded the receiving corp and fixed other problems that have plagued us. The offense has is as inconsistent as ever, if not more so. I'm not confident as you are (not knocking you for that at all) that he can guide this offense to the next level. Especially where Joe is concerned, I think we could do better with someone else.
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we have upgraded the receiving corps how? by getting rid of comfort blanket vet possession/rout running wr and te for a rookie and evans(who has been hurt and they are just now working out the kinks) and 2 second year guys in their first year as starters. without an offseason, mind you. there is a reason we had 28 dropped passes. Don't get me wrong i love the fresh blood! I think its great the year we take flacco out of his comfort zone we give him the most attempts of his career, and i think we have seen much improvement from him personally. mostly in the vicinity of the pocket, and it is my opinion (i will have to look at the numbers but its hard because of throw aways and such) that he has become a more accurate passer down the field. also, 2/3 of our backfield is new this year which was less of a concern considering they were all vets, but they were still working things out after every play, learning each others tendencies. yet still as a total o we are looking at our second best year in this regime. like i said we threw in new wrinkles faced adversities and still did pretty damn good

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1325180829' post='926054']

we have upgraded the receiving corps how? by getting rid of comfort blanket vet possession/rout running wr and te for a rookie and evans(who has been hurt and they are just now working out the kinks) and 2 second year guys in their first year as starters. without an offseason, mind you. there is a reason we had 28 dropped passes. Don't get me wrong i love the fresh blood! I think its great the year we take flacco out of his comfort zone we give him the most attempts of his career, and i think we have seen much improvement from him personally. mostly in the vicinity of the pocket, and it is my opinion (i will have to look at the numbers but its hard because of throw aways and such) that he has become a more accurate passer down the field. also, 2/3 of our backfield is new this year which was less of a concern considering they were all vets, but they were still working things out after every play, learning each others tendencies. yet still as a total o we are looking at our second best year in this regime. like i said we threw in new wrinkles faced adversities and still did pretty damn good
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Now this is all true. But in a macroscopic view. In a microscopic view, there many plays throughout the game that we see and scratch our heads at. While Joe has improved IMO, the odd playcalls are holding him and ray rice back in my mind. But you're argument is well made. Maybe if cam had more help, like assistants and an actual qb coach, he'd fair better. That's as lenient as I can judge him.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1325118776' post='925512']

I think maybe he is Cam.
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I doubt it. I'm pretty sure Cam would be able to spell his own name correctly.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1325168992' post='925848']
Jags, titans , Seahawks, chargers game. Yes cam has credit for the 92 yard drive. Which makes the inconsistency that our offense didn't show up the very next game and three other games more mind boggling. 21.carries.in.4.games. for ray rice. Those are the facts. Can isn't the worst OC but there are plenty better that would make the offense that led that 92 yard drive appear for 4 quarters every game. Can has developed qbs in the past as you said. But a couple success stories don't outweigh recent shortcomings. Its about what have you done from me lately. And in Cam's case, its been too many ups and Downs. Now if we make a Superbowl run, I might give cam more slack. But until then, I believe he's holding us back
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see there you go man numbers and a finely crafted retort, kudos! imma start with a quote

[b]"[/b][color=#800080][b]I think there's been games this year where we came out and thrown the ball because we've been down a lot and you guys have all complained about it" -joe flacco [/b][/color]

tenn- ray gets 13 carries. first series three plays 2 carries for 3 yards. second series three plays 1 carry for 2 yards. third series three plays one carry 2 yards intercepted. fourth series six plays 2 rush 1 yard. 2nd qrt 5th series 5plays 3 rush 6 yards fumble lost. 6th series 7 plays 2rush 14yrds short pass to rice td . 7th series 40 sec left on clock we get into field goal range and tie the game at half. tenn comes out and puts up 7. then we come out get a first on a pass to rice run it for 4 penalty 2nd and 11 inc pass throw away punt
tenn goes up by 10 now its a 2 possession game with 3 min left in the third now we are throwing and running draws its elementary next possession flacco throws a pic tenn scores two fg on their next two drives seems like the tenn d was fired up they were getting good penetration into our backfield all game and blanketing our wrs and our d wasnt stopping them

Jags- lets be honest with ourselves, that game was all o line.

seattle-its not like the o didnt show ed dickson had the best game for a te in ravens history this game. this game was more about specialists 2 missed fg and 2 return fumbles in our territory i mean our first 2 possessions were a missed fg and a fumble on a return we are already down by 10 on our 3rd possession first possession second qtr we drive 75 yards and punch it in then they drive and score 3 we fumble they score 3 more next possesion we drive 46 yrds missed a feild goal from here on out it has to be shotgun no huddle cuz we gotta catch up and we get 10 from that gameplan but i think this game wasn't so much a brakdown on o as much on st

SD- same thing we had to play catchup because rivers was making our dbs look like highschool kids

so i guess what im saying the way i see it is that for the most part circumsatnce dictated actions taken except for the jags game i will give you that one but in the longrun i feel that the ups far outweigh the downs

im sorry i wish i could put more time into this post with more stats and such but i gotta go to work so this is a pretty much imo but there is some stat stuff here

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1325183501' post='926107'] Now this is all true. But in a macroscopic view. In a microscopic view, there many plays throughout the game that we see and scratch our heads at. While Joe has improved IMO, the odd playcalls are holding him and ray rice back in my mind. But you're argument is well made. [b]Maybe if cam had more help, like assistants and an actual qb coach[/b], he'd fair better. That's as lenient as I can judge him.[/quote]
i am def not opposed to that and hope it happens the argument was made that having too many ppl around muddled the information joe was receiving but that sounds like a breakdown in the process they used to communicate but thats on the coaching staff to be on the same page plus i am of the school of thought that different perspectives are not a bad thing unless there is not a confluence of ideas and communication if there isnt then you just butt heads

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1325184798' post='926135'] I doubt it. I'm pretty sure Cam would be able to spell his own name correctly.[/quote]
im just here to argue not learn names

[bauer77]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1325186628' post='926177']
im just here to argue not learn names
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You certainly should "learn" his name, especially if you want him to stay around so bad.

And while i agree that some of those losses, we have had to somewhat abandon the run because of us being down, we shouldn't abandon it completely. Ray Rice with 5 runs in the seahawks game? We weren't down by that much that we had to essentially take probably our best weapon completely out of the game. And this could count for the Titans and Jags game as well. The Chargers game was the only game i agreed that we had to pass the whole time. His play-calling is absurd, like the QB draw he called against the 49ers on the 3 yard line? Flacco isn't Vick/Newton here. And there's definitely been numerous other times he had some questionable play calls, like the screens on third down.

Like someone else said before, if we make a Super Bowl run, and win, then he'll more than likely stay. Otherwise, i hope he goes.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1325188229' post='926210']

You certainly should "learn" his name, especially if you want him to stay around so bad. A

And while i agree that some of those losses, we have had to somewhat abandon the run because of us being down, we shouldn't abandon it completely. Ray Rice with 5 runs in the seahawks game? We weren't down by that much that we had to essentially take probably our best weapon completely out of the game. And this could count for the Titans and Jags game as well. The Chargers game was the only game i agreed that we had to pass the whole time. His play-calling is absurd, like the QB draw he called against the 49ers on the 3 yard line? Flacco isn't Vick/Newton here. And there's definitely been numerous other times he had some questionable play calls, like the screens on third down.

Like someone else said before, if we make a Super Bowl run, and win, then he'll more than likely stay. Otherwise, i hope he goes.
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lol i forgot an e big deal in the seahawks game we were constantly 2 possesions down and when we werent he ran it 5 but we ran it 12 like the 2 end arounds for 16 each to start the game taking advantage of the seahawks tendency to over pursue the sneek was poorly executed by our line theirs made it into the backfield the rungame and d abandoned him in the titans game jags was a stinker what more do you want in those games we just didnt hit it in all 3 phases so some phases had to try and compensate thats how it goes

cam is back regardless

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1325186628' post='926177']
im just here to argue not learn names
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You've made that perfectly clear. And we don't argue here, we debate.

[Ravenslifer]

Alight, back to the subject at hand, Norv Turner or someone new in Baltimore. I think he will be great. He does run the same system, but obviously a better version of it. He is not a control freak like players have said Cam Cameron is. And, most importantly, he has coached several quarterbacks to the pro-bowl. I think he will be a good fit here if he does come, and I hope either he or maybe someone like Mike Sherman, former Texas A&M coach. He's coached in the NFL before, most notably he was the former QB coach/OC for Brett Favre in the early 2000s when Favre went to three straight pro bowls. Sherman runs a west coast system, which might actually be of great benefit over Air Coryell because it emphasizes TOP and avoiding turnovers, as well as making a QB very efficient. Notably, Jim Zorn is a big WC Offense guy, and we saw what his influence brought to Joe's game last year. Here's to hoping that, at the latest by March, we'll be saying hello to our new OC and new QB coach.

[arnie_uk]

Whats Jim Zorn at now? any chance we bring him back as QB coach, and an OC?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1325194182' post='926281']
Whats Jim Zorn at now? any chance we bring him back as QB coach, and an OC?
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He's KC's QB coach. Since Haley was fired, don't know his status for next year. I don't know if we could just hire him away unless we gave him a higher position than he currently occupies - I think that's the rule. Honestly, I'd love to bring him back. I really think he was the biggest reason Joe played as well as he did last year. All of those coverages Joe has trouble reading, Zorn read them when he was playing. I really think he'd make a huge difference in Joe's performance. Plus, people like Zorn. He only got fired from the Redskins because he's not a good HC, and from here because Cam is a megalomaniac.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1325186628' post='926177']
im just here to argue not learn names
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haha, keep it real...as long as we're all respectful, aint nothing wrong with that

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1325186080' post='926166']
see there you go man numbers and a finely crafted retort, kudos! imma start with a quote

[b]"[/b][color=#800080][b]I think there's been games this year where we came out and thrown the ball because we've been down a lot and you guys have all complained about it" -joe flacco [/b][/color]

tenn- ray gets 13 carries. first series three plays 2 carries for 3 yards. second series three plays 1 carry for 2 yards. third series three plays one carry 2 yards intercepted. fourth series six plays 2 rush 1 yard. 2nd qrt 5th series 5plays 3 rush 6 yards fumble lost. 6th series 7 plays 2rush 14yrds short pass to rice td [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]. 7th series 40 sec left on clock we get into field goal range and tie the game at half. tenn comes out and puts up 7. then we come out get a first on a pass to rice run it for 4 penalty 2nd and 11 inc pass throw away punt
tenn goes up by 10 now its a 2 possession game with 3 min left in the third now we are throwing and running draws its elementary next possession flacco throws a pic tenn scores two fg on their next two drives seems like the tenn d was fired up they were getting good penetration into our backfield all game and blanketing our wrs and our d wasnt stopping them

Jags- lets be honest with ourselves, that game was all o line.

seattle-its not like the o didnt show ed dickson had the best game for a te in ravens history this game. this game was more about specialists 2 missed fg and 2 return fumbles in our territory i mean our first 2 possessions were a missed fg and a fumble on a return we are already down by 10 on our 3rd possession first possession second qtr we drive 75 yards and punch it in then they drive and score 3 we fumble they score 3 more next possesion we drive 46 yrds missed a feild goal from here on out it has to be shotgun no huddle cuz we gotta catch up and we get 10 from that gameplan but i think this game wasn't so much a brakdown on o as much on st

SD- same thing we had to play catchup because rivers was making our dbs look like highschool kids

so i guess what im saying the way i see it is that for the most part circumsatnce dictated actions taken except for the jags game i will give you that one but in the longrun i feel that the ups far outweigh the downs

im sorry i wish i could put more time into this post with more stats and such but i gotta go to work so this is a pretty much imo but there is some stat stuff here
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I'm not discrediting anything you said there at all. But Rice is our most dynamic offensive weapon. You have to feel him the ball and get him in space. And the Air Coryell offense doesn't work well for us when the run isn't there (or the Chargers for that matter; ask Rivers how much not having Sproles has hurt him this season) and we go pass happy to catch up. The defense did completely bail on us in the chargers game, for sure, and like I said, every point you made has validity to why we struggled. But Cam's job is to make adjustments to overcome these adversities, and it's just mind boggling and troubling that against these weaker teams (minus maybe the Chargers) that he can't put us in position to succeed.

And on a side note, not even personal against Cam, I just don't like the Air Coryell offense. I'd much rather have a run heavy version of the West Cost offense. You need certain players to make Cam's system work. I wish he'd either change his system or tell Ozzie to get us some 6'5" receivers like Jackson and Floyd.

But I'll stand by my word. If we win the Superbowl, I'll eat crow and start worshiping Cam Cam every morning [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img]

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1325189217' post='926231']
You've made that perfectly clear. And we don't argue here, we debate.
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not really debate denotes the use of facts some of you are debating but for the most part nah

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1325197499' post='926320']
not really debate denotes the use of facts some of you are debating but for the most part nah
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Facts are in the eye of the beholder.

[stan]

[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1324479809' post='917269']
I doubt it happens. Norv will be expensive and if he's fired I am sure he could land a head coach job.
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He always did this as a head coach, does just enough to not get fired. Not this time. He will be expensive and may get another shot at head coaching. Norv is the Dick Lebeau of offensive coordinators. Let's take a look at Carolina QB coach Mike Shula. Look what he's done with Cam Newton.

[PainKiller]

I disagree on the statement that it is mainly personnel. While 6'5" receivers definitely helps, last year San Diego was still a top offense, I believe #1 overall without 6'5" receivers.... Last year Rivers was NOT throwing to Floyd, Jackson, and Gates for various reasons. Rivers was throwing to average WR's like Patrick Crayton and Kelley Washington. There is no reason that Norv and his system wouldnt vastly improve our offense if Flacco is indeed a sufficient QB.

[AsianRice]

I'm going to bump this thread up or at least keep it in my reminder book that I need to revive this thread in the offseason.....

Norv>>>>>>Cam

[cobrajet]

After what Norv did to our defense, I think he at least merits some consideration. We just never beat anyone very convincing like that with Cam.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1325374784' post='927758']
After what Norv did to our defense, I think he at least merits some consideration. We just never beat anyone very convincing like that with Cam.
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Steelers wk 1.

But Im pro Norv Turner lol. I reeeeally wanted Kubiak to get canned last year so we could pick him up.

[JO_75]

Rumor has it that the Jets may try to go after Norv and bring him in as their new offensive coordinator. Hopefully the Ravens make a move for Norv and fire Cam.

[Fricknmaniac]

The only problem is... if the Jets don't make the playoffs, the Ravens probably won't have an opportunity to go after Norv.

The only thing they really could do would be to call up Norv *if* he gets fired, tells him that they're interested after the season is over with him as offensive coordinator and hope that he waits.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Fricknmaniac' timestamp='1325389090' post='927850']
The only problem is... if the Jets don't make the playoffs, the Ravens probably won't have an opportunity to go after Norv.

The only thing they really could do would be to call up Norv *if* he gets fired, tells him that they're interested after the season is over with him as offensive coordinator and hope that he waits.
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Good point and I think this is something everyone is forgetting. If the Jets miss the playoffs sure they will have a shot at Norv but so will 20 other teams while the 12 playoff teams won't be able to get him unless he waits it out. Considering things, I don't think Norv is going to wait for a team like Baltimore or the Jets if they make the playoffs to decide on where he wants to go. Some non playoff team will probably scoop up Norv for OC or some team may hire him as a Head Coach and there goes any shot of getting Norv for either the Jets or Ravens.

We all may want Norv but he isn't going to sit around and wait for a playoff team to be eliminated just because they may have interest in him, right now if Jets miss the playoffs they will probably offer him a bunch of money to be their new OC but also another team may do the same thing and the Jets would miss out on Norv if they make the playoffs.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1325376637' post='927770']
Steelers wk 1.

But Im pro Norv Turner lol. I reeeeally wanted Kubiak to get canned last year so we could pick him up.
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Kubiak would have been perfect. Too bad Shaub had to get injured and they'll still probably make the playoffs.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1325392355' post='927867']

Good point and I think this is something everyone is forgetting. If the Jets miss the playoffs sure they will have a shot at Norv but so will 20 other teams while the 12 playoff teams won't be able to get him unless he waits it out. Considering things, I don't think Norv is going to wait for a team like Baltimore or the Jets if they make the playoffs to decide on where he wants to go. Some non playoff team will probably scoop up Norv for OC or some team may hire him as a Head Coach and there goes any shot of getting Norv for either the Jets or Ravens.

We all may want Norv but he isn't going to sit around and wait for a playoff team to be eliminated just because they may have interest in him, right now if Jets miss the playoffs they will probably offer him a bunch of money to be their new OC but also another team may do the same thing and the Jets would miss out on Norv if they make the playoffs.
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I don't know about you, but if I was Norv I'd want to wait for the playoff teams to offer me a job....

Playoff teams usually have better talent and would therefore give Norv a better opportunity to win games.