Jason La Canfora Sees Norv Headed To Baltimore

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1324494555' post='917540']
Does Norv make the system work as well as it does or is it because he has Pro Bowl players at basically every skill position? We don't have SD's talent, but I think Norv could help develop it...
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Yeah, but I'm pretty sure Norv would be able to pinpoint receivers in the draft, regardless of the round they're taken in, that fit what he wants to do. And plus, he's worked with all kinds of players before and led them to the pro-bowl.

[HaX]

with dickson being a TE that can stretch the field
torrey smith who is a straight burner
and evans(assuming we keep him)
and a qb that can throw the ball from 1 endzone to the other
we could fit his mold pretty easy imo

[EvilWayz]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1324476636' post='917226']
I was watching NFL Network and they had Jason La Canfora in studio discussing where coaches who are on the hot seat could be headed next year if they were fired by their current teams. Canfora is adamant that Norv Turner could travel to the east coast and take up the duties as our offensive coordinator.

I realize this has been discussed in the past, but I believe this is the first time that a notable analyst has shed some light on our offensive woes and suggested that Norv could be in our future.

My honest opinion is that I would absolutely LOVE for Norv to head to Baltimore. As the gameplan he devised against us showed, he knows how to tailor a gameplan for an opponent. He knows how to play to the strengths of his players. He flat out destroyed our defense. A sight I haven't seen as long as I've been watching this team. It was a humbling experience to say the least.

We have so much talent on the offensive side of the ball, and it has been so frustrating for me as a fan to watch such a talented group of players play FAR BELOW their collective potential. Norv is practically a much more accomplished version of Cam Cameron. He runs the same Air Coryell system, just a more successful variant.

I think Cam's time is up and we need to part ways (a sentiment many Ravens fans share). I am a firm believer Joe has the potential to become that elite passer we all want him to be, and I feel that for that to happen Cam needs to go. Norv would be perfect for this organization and I for one hope he finds his way to the Castle.

CAN CAM HIRE NORV
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Cam is the achilles heel of this team. Our defense is great everyone knows that. Our offense has alot of talent, but know can see it if because Cam is afraid to run the ball. If we run the ball consistently, our passing will open up. The play action would be murder, which Joe Flacco loves run. It seems as though Cam wants to clearly be a passing team, but if you don't run it you can't throw it. Our running game will hurt alot of defenses but this will not let Ray get more touches. I look at Shady McCoy, Arian Foster, Michael Bush, and Michael Turner, these guys get more touches in one game than Ray gets in two most games Cam has screwed himself this year, he had the defense upset because he wouldn't let ray run and they started to lose focus on what they were doing. Our defense gets wore out with those three and outs. Why do you think the Texans are where they are in the defensive catergory, because Foster is keeping them on the bench and fresh. So when they do get on the feild they are not totally gased.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

So weve had the best defense for a long time running now. We watch our defense stop teams with pride knowing they can cause a turnover or punt at anytime. Our guys have carried this offense FOREVER. Through a superbowl and into playoffs. Norv made our defense look like Clevelands. It was hard to watch. Rivers could do no wrong and they picked apart the weakest part of the D with the strongest part of there O. THAT IS GAME PLANNING AT ITS FINEST. We had no answers with one of the best D coordinators and defense in the league.

[Guest RBates]

please.....please........ make this happen.

[nk02442]

[quote name='HaX' timestamp='1324526993' post='917953']
with dickson being a TE that can stretch the field
torrey smith who is a straight burner
and evans(assuming we keep him)
and a qb that can throw the ball from 1 endzone to the other
we could fit his mold pretty easy imo
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Problem is none of them are big tall fast and good hands. They all have dropitis and when they do get good seperationg, joe under/overthrows them on the regular.

[Dfence4champs2052]

sounds good.....let's see it happen though.

[Ravenstown52]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1324489763' post='917443']
How about we set up an Xbox on the sideline and just ask madden.....would be a vast improvement.
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Lol so true

[Natty Boh]

I'd like to see it happen but I think Norv would get another head coaching job somewhere before coming here to be an OC.

[HarleypsychRN]

Hire Norv...fire Cam... right after the season ends.

[redrum52]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1324495794' post='917557']
I dont know why you guys want Norv so bad, he reminds me of CAM. They run the same system. Anyways if it would mean we would throw it more (slants,seam routes, PLAYERS STRENGTHS) Then i would be happy and all for it. We need a change anyways, but if we do get him, lets not spend alot of money or a say 3 to 4 yr contract, 2 at best and if our Offense plays horrid with Norv the first season. Lets just fire him and not wait because like i said, it is the same system. So it wouldn't be like the Offense will be revamped.
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I'm not to high on Norv either. If we got a new OC I would want a new system most likely put in. I was hoping that Whisenhut might get the axe and try to bring him in. Someone creative but aggressive. Its hard to tell who I'd want due to many people might lose their job but for now have to deal with the Mad Man Cam

[PeRK82]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1324601817' post='918828']

I'm not to high on Norv either. If we got a new OC I would want a new system most likely put in. I was hoping that Whisenhut might get the axe and try to bring him in. Someone creative but aggressive. Its hard to tell who I'd want due to many people might lose their job but for now have to deal with the Mad Man Cam
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I was hoping for Josh Mcdaniels, honestly, even though he hasnt been doing a great job at the Rams but look at what he is working with.
All the Stealer fans are hoping they get Norv Turner next yr to be the new O.C. After thinking it over a while, honestly, i think i would want Norv over Cam any day, if i had to pick. But their are sooooo many O.C.ers (axed Head coaches, that called the offense) that are around, there are so many options ,its not even funny. But like i said if we do end up with Turner, the play book wouldnt really change but atleast the play calling would. Cam is notorious for his awful plays that arnt bad plays but they are bad for that situation.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='Natty Boh' timestamp='1324578343' post='918277']
I'd like to see it happen but I think Norv would get another head coaching job somewhere before coming here to be an OC.
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I dont think he would , with there being alot of other options. Its easy picking for Team Owners this yr looking for H.C.s

[redrum52]

To add a little more gas to the "Can Cam" Movement, just thought I would share another piece about a ex players opinion.

[color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3][left]Former Ravens tight end Daniel Wilcox [url="http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/01/18/former-raven-daniel-wilcox-on-the-mark-viviano-show-6/"]had some harsh words[/url] for the Ravens coaching staff on Tuesday. Wilcox was a guest on the Mark Viviano show and he discussed the “arrogance” of Cam Cameron, John Harbaugh’s coaching ability and how the Ravens move forward after a bad loss in Pittsburgh.[/left][/size][/font][/color][/left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3][left]In 2008, Wilcox worked under Cam Cameron during Cam’s first year with the Ravens. While he respected Cameron’s ability to match up his offenses against defenses, he questioned his personality and play calls.[/left][/size][/font][/color][/left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3][left]“There are moments in the game where you are left scratching your head wondering ‘what in the hell is Cam thinking,” Wilcox said.

“Anytime you [are] dealing with coaches in the NFL, some of the things that you have to deal with is arrogance and I think Cam Cameron has a lot of that.”[/left][/size][/font][/color][/left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3][left]Wilcox didn’t appreciate Cameron’s critiques on the offense and inability to take the blame for his own mistakes. ”He would never point the finger at himself, but he would point it at all of us. And you know it got old at the end of the year.”[/left][/size][/font][/color][/left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3][left]The former Ravens was less critical of John Harbaugh, but did say that he thought guys were more likely to “go to war for Mike Tomlin before they will go to war for John Harbaugh.” Wilcox did say that he felt that John Harbaugh was not honest with him in a meeting they had after the season ended.[/left][/size][/font][/color][/left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3][left]“My last year in Baltimore John Harbaugh shook my hand and he said ‘you had a great year here buddy, I know you dealt with a lot of injuries and a lot of pain and you played through everything, you’re a man for what you did and I want you back here next year.’ I walked out that door knowing that I wasn’t coming back to Baltimore.”[/left][/size][/font][/color][/left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3][left]Though he never referenced Harbaugh’s rough coaching style directly he did say that he didn’t think it was the best style for Todd Heap.[/left][/size][/font][/color][/left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3][left]“If he stays in Baltimore I give him another year or two,” Wilcox said. He added that Heap could play for another five under a coach with a style like Brian Billick.[/left][/size][/font][/color][/left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3][left]“Brian Billick was the type of coach that would put years on your career.”[/left][/size][/font][/color][/left]

[Ball So Hard]

He would be a great pickup especially if we could add another tall speedy outside receiver. Its clear to me that Anquan just isnt cutting it anymore. Hes not a true number 1 and we cant rely on a rookie to be the go to guy.

[Jerseyraven52205527]

Cam sucks bad but the rest of coaching staff is not far behind.

[Corvus]

Maybe its just me, but I'd rather just get the heck away from the Air Coryell after years of seeing Cam run it. Norv also has the benefit of two wideouts who are absolutely perfect for it in the 6'5" Vincent Jackson and Malcolm Floyd. Our tallest wideout is what, Doss at 6'2" or something? We need an offense that can properly utilize the guys we have under contract and I don't think Cam or Norv's Air Coryell fits the bill, just my opinion...

[JO_75]

If Norv gets fired after Week 17 and we get a bye, can we hire him for the playoffs and fire Cam? Or at least rent Norv for the playoffs?

[reediddy]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1324605235' post='918885']
To add a little more gas to the "Can Cam" Movement, just thought I would share another piece about a ex players opinion.

[left]Former Ravens tight end Daniel Wilcox [url="http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/01/18/former-raven-daniel-wilcox-on-the-mark-viviano-show-6/"]had some harsh words[/url] for the Ravens coaching staff on Tuesday. Wilcox was a guest on the Mark Viviano show and he discussed the “arrogance” of Cam Cameron, John Harbaugh’s coaching ability and how the Ravens move forward after a bad loss in Pittsburgh.[/left]
[/left][left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3]In 2008, Wilcox worked under Cam Cameron during Cam’s first year with the Ravens. While he respected Cameron’s ability to match up his offenses against defenses, he questioned his personality and play calls.[/size][/font][/color][/left]
[/left][left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3]“There are moments in the game where you are left scratching your head wondering ‘what in the hell is Cam thinking,” Wilcox said.[/size][/font][/color][/left]

[color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3]“Anytime you [are] dealing with coaches in the NFL, some of the things that you have to deal with is arrogance and I think Cam Cameron has a lot of that.”[/size][/font][/color]
[/left][left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Wilcox didn’t appreciate Cameron’s critiques on the offense and inability to take the blame for his own mistakes. ”He would never point the finger at himself, but he would point it at all of us. And you know it got old at the end of the year.”[/size][/font][/color][/left]
[/left][left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3]The former Ravens was less critical of John Harbaugh, but did say that he thought guys were more likely to “go to war for Mike Tomlin before they will go to war for John Harbaugh.” Wilcox did say that he felt that John Harbaugh was not honest with him in a meeting they had after the season ended.[/size][/font][/color][/left]
[/left][left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3]“My last year in Baltimore John Harbaugh shook my hand and he said ‘you had a great year here buddy, I know you dealt with a lot of injuries and a lot of pain and you played through everything, you’re a man for what you did and I want you back here next year.’ I walked out that door knowing that I wasn’t coming back to Baltimore.”[/size][/font][/color][/left]
[/left][left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Though he never referenced Harbaugh’s rough coaching style directly he did say that he didn’t think it was the best style for Todd Heap.[/size][/font][/color][/left]
[/left][left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3]“If he stays in Baltimore I give him another year or two,” Wilcox said. He added that Heap could play for another five under a coach with a style like Brian Billick.[/size][/font][/color][/left]
[/left][left][color=#000000][font=verdana, arial, sans-serif][size=3]“Brian Billick was the type of coach that would put years on your career.”[/size][/font][/color][/left]
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Man! Someone posted a similar article of a former player (I think LJ Smith) criticizing Cameron too! This is just baffling to me. I'd be surprised if someone like Boldin doesn't come out with some similar voiced concerns in the offseason

[ROH522155]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1324489763' post='917443']
How about we set up an Xbox on the sideline and just ask madden.....would be a vast improvement.
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If we do this then we may as well create a 6-9 wide reciever with 99 speed...Now that would be a nice addition to this offense!

[ROH522155]

Wilcox is wrong about Todd Heap. He was old, brittle, and done here and Billick couldn't have changed that.

[Hardbaugh]

I'm not so sure turner will get a job as a head coach so soon. He has an elite quarterback to go with superior offensive talent and generally a very good roster top to bottom in SD and still struggles to make the playoffs or don't get it done. He may be viewed arounf the league as a great coordinator (and to paraphrase Al Campanis) "a person that lacks the neccesities" to get the job done as a NFL head coach.

If he can't get it done with the roster he's had during his tenure how can he succeed as a head coach with mediocrity? I guess time will tell.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1324806032' post='922226']

Man! Someone posted a similar article of a former player (I think LJ Smith) criticizing Cameron too! This is just baffling to me. I'd be surprised if someone like Boldin doesn't come out with some similar voiced concerns in the offseason
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Boldin? I'd be more tempted to choose someone like Housmandzadeh or maybe Mason if he's in the right mood.

I'm not so sure that Norv would make Baltimore's offense the envy of the NFL. The Chargers have alot of offensive talent that Baltimore has always lacked. Also, I am personally unenthusiastic about another Air Coryell type of OC.

[grape drank]

plz god let it be so!

[The Raven]

[quote name='ROH522155' timestamp='1324811252' post='922242']
Wilcox is wrong about Todd Heap. He was old, brittle, and done here and Billick couldn't have changed that.
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Lol, Billick is also the kind of coach that could barely get a team to the playoffs and play consistently. That part made me giggle a little

[darklight1216]

[quote name='ROH522155' timestamp='1324811252' post='922242']
Wilcox is wrong about Todd Heap. He was old, brittle, and done here and Billick couldn't have changed that.
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Billick's insistence on playing Kyle Boller probably took years off of Heap's career.

[The Raven]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1324866250' post='922832']
Billick's insistence on playing Kyle Boller probably took years off of Heap's career.
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Haha yeah man. Not only took years off, but also wasted them. Heap is another former Raven I would like to see get a ring. That man deserves one.

[reediddy]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1324852253' post='922632']
Boldin? I'd be more tempted to choose someone like Housmandzadeh or maybe Mason if he's in the right mood.

I'm not so sure that Norv would make Baltimore's offense the envy of the NFL. The Chargers have alot of offensive talent that Baltimore has always lacked. Also, I am personally unenthusiastic about another Air Coryell type of OC.
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True, those would definitely be better candidates haha. Thing is, I've seen way too many times where Boldin trots off the field visibly frustrated, and being the vocal leader he is I would expect him to come out with some sort of statement regarding his use/Cameron's playcalling

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1324852253' post='922632']
Boldin? I'd be more tempted to choose someone like Housmandzadeh or maybe Mason if he's in the right mood.

I'm not so sure that Norv would make Baltimore's offense the envy of the NFL. The Chargers have alot of offensive talent that Baltimore has always lacked. Also, I am personally unenthusiastic about another Air Coryell type of OC.
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Put it this way: If you had to choose between Norv and Cam, what would you do? I'm not such a big fan of Air Coryell myself, but if there's one guy in the league who knows how to run it effectively, it's Norv Turner. And at this point, I'm willing to give some of those guys on "Madden Nation" a shot over Cam Cameron.

[EdPick6RiverStix]

i think we need a coach that employs the west coast offense as far as passing game is concerned. the air coryell relies on big tall recievers in which we dont have. vjax n floyd fit well in that system because they can win jump balls even when they are covered...n they can attack the ball better. i can see our recievers and te becoming more of a packers or saints offense in the future. with a variety of timing routes and an uptempo pace. i like what were doing in the run game, the zone stretch, counters n powers are good to go with the pa game. so yea im not down with the norv turner move. lets get the qb coach from gb or sumtin. kubiak, if he gets fired is a good option as well since i our personnel can match that scheme that he runs