Thing I've Noticed About Flacco

[PuRock]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1324401324' post='916272']
Our recievers are not getting seperation, we always trying to get 10+ yrds on every throw. Cam needs to put in more short passes to the middle.

ps. How far is airport from the stadium?
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BWI? Real close. Easy ride. 20minutes maybe. The Stadium is nestled at the south point of Baltimore and is really accessible.

[flynismo]

Something that I have noticed about Flacco is that his decision making and football intelligence is better than given credit for.

His entire career, people accuse him of holding the ball to long, when in reality, the majority of that is due to not having a target to throw to.

Once people finally acknowledged that, then some of us demanded that he "throw his recievers open", meaning attempt passes regardless of how tight the coverage is. Problem is, Flacco has done that his entire career. It boggles my mind how small the windows have been that Flacco would even dare to attempt, much less successfully complete. But that is not enough for some --- some want to throw caution to the wind and do it every play, out of frustration of the lack of seperation we get.
But Joe is too smart for that; he knows how to identify a good gamble.

Now people are saying he doesnt go deep enough. Ironic, since last year only Rivers threw more deep balls -- despite the fact that we had nothing resembling a deep threat last year; and if anything, this year we have been too trigger happy at times throwing bombs.

Outside of Manning, Rodgers and Brees, I dont feel there is a QB in the league I'd rather have throwing bombs. Flacco was born for this.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1324402402' post='916291']


BWI? Real close. Easy ride. 20minutes maybe. The Stadium is nestled at the south point of Baltimore and is really accessible.

Thanks Pu, everyone here seems to ignore me maybe cause im a floridian. Jk
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[berad]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1324402402' post='916291']

BWI? Real close. Easy ride. 20minutes maybe. The Stadium is nestled at the south point of Baltimore and is really accessible.
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By coincidence, I saw the Bengals buses driving to the airport maybe a year ago

[ravensdfan]

The thing I've really noticed about Joe.....

we've made the playoffs every season since he became our QB.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1324403723' post='916348']
The thing I've really noticed about Joe.....

we've made the playoffs every season since he became our QB.
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Haha good one! *air high five*

[3-4ravdef509]

Quarterbacks have bad days people. Get over it. Bottom line is that Flacco is great and inconsistent and will never be elite until he his consistent. But, he's better than most qbs in the league and we'd be hard pressed to find another one that might fall to us in the draft or FO. Cam's playcalling doesn't help, neither does having a lot of young players who are also inconsistent. Talented to be sure, but not veterans. You'all are impatient. Brady didn't throw 50 tds his 4th year. Brees and Rivers were late bloomers. Not every qb is Payton Manning or Kurt Warner right off the bat. So chill.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1324403999' post='916353']
Haha good one! *air high five*
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Thanks. All the throwing Flacco under the bus just gets old sometimes.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Token' timestamp='1324395465' post='916171']



Here's some stats I got from another forum
It doesn't make sense to say he never takes shots down field..
This is for how far the ball has traveled through the air btw, not how long the play was.
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][b]11+ yards[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ben - 41.7% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Eli - 38.0% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rivers - 36.8% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ryan - 34.3% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rodgers - 34.2% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=red][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Flacco - 33.3%[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brady - 31.3% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Romo - 30.4% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brees - 28.5% [/size][/font][/color]

[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][b]21+ yards[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Eli - 15.5% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=red][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Flacco - 13.6%[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rivers - 12.1% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ben - 10.7% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Romo - 10.4% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rodgers - 9.9% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ryan - 8.7% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brees - 8.1% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brady - 7.4% [/size][/font][/color]

[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][b]31+ yards[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=red][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Flacco - 6.0%[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ben - 5.6% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Eli - 5.5% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rivers - 5.0% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ryan - 4.4% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Romo - 3.7% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rodgers - 3.4% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brees - 2.6% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brady - 2.5% [/size][/font][/color]

[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][b]41+ yards[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=red][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Flacco - 3.0%[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ben - 2.3% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Eli - 2.1% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rivers - 1.6% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rodgers - 1.3% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ryan - 1.2% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brady - 1.1% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Romo - 0.8% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brees - 0.5%[/size][/font][/color]
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I think this pretty much sums it up. Our offense has taken deep shots all year, when they are there, and has been more successful than pretty much every other team in the NFL. It would be nice if we had big tall WRs like Jackson and Floyd, but we dont so we have to pick our spots a lot more carefully. Torrey has shown the ability to beat his man fairly consistently, but when teams roll a safety over his way it doesnt make sense to try to force it.

[AsianRice]

When you're down by 3scores, you have to pass to catch up and the opposing team know you will pass so they will play zone defense. However, the SD secondary defense were playing and executing well, locking up all our recievers. I saw many plays that they put a safety over top of Torrey Smith and leaving Evans on 1 on 1 coverage. Joe missed Evans couple times which also could lead to TD. After the several misses, Joe only option is in the middle and check down which really narrows down our arial attack option.

If Joe connects with Evans, he will have big night cuz Evans was 1 on 1 coverage most of the time. SD defense plan is to shut down our deepthreat which is Torrey Smith by double teaming him all night. I think Torrey can run intermediate routes, curl routes and comeback routes. His come back routes should be perfect because most CBs now are afraid to play press coverage against Torrey.

BTW, for Joe's preference, he doesn't need to adjust throwing deep to Evans cuz his speed not faster but equal to Torrey cuz Evans has great technique to slow down his defender and burst off. Joe underthrew Evans most of the time.

I expect Joe will connect to Evans and Torrey deep this week against the Browns.......

[PuRock]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1324403723' post='916348']
The thing I've really noticed about Joe.....

we've made the playoffs every season since he became our QB.
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Another thing I noticed about Joe.

We seem to have more wins in Joe's 4 years than in any other four span window in Raven's history. And without the suffocating defense no-less.

Not sure why people would prefer to go back to what we had?

[CalvinSmoke]

Man, i was there watching our recievers run right into the middle of the Charger's zone coverage allll game long. They were never designed to stop in sit in the coverage, they just ran in straight lines as and the Chargers were having none of it. Trust me, no one was open all night, and most the completions Joe had in the second half were so risky. I kept holding my breath because they all looked like they could have been picked off one way or another.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1324406111' post='916411']
Man, i was there watching our recievers run right into the middle of the Charger's zone coverage allll game long. [b]They were never designed to stop in sit in the coverage, they just ran in straight lines as and the Chargers were having none of it.[/b] Trust me, no one was open all night, and most the completions Joe had in the second half were so risky. I kept holding my breath because they all looked like they could have been picked off one way or another.
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They know where our recievers were going and won't make adjustment accordingly. Remember how we got the TD near the end? not because of their defense loosing up because of garbage time, they were covering deep and leaving the middle opened for Torrey to just burst through the defense.

If we were adjusted after halftime, we should send out intermediate routes and come back routes. When the defenders are closing in, Joe can bomb to Torrey or Evans. SD plan was not to let the Ravens to have big play, and our plan is the same but our CBs weren't executing well and horrific at coverage.

To me if Joe connected to Evans eariler on cuz Torrey was double teamed all night, we should join the racing of who would have the highest scores in the game. The score should be 37-34.

PS: Cam, I won't bash you until the offseason, but please adjust the playcalls accordingly.......

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1324406977' post='916431']
They know where our recievers were going and won't make adjustment accordingly. Remember how we got the TD near the end? not because of their defense loosing up because of garbage time, they were covering deep and leaving the middle opened for Torrey to just burst through the defense.

If we were adjusted after halftime, we should send out intermediate routes and come back routes. When the defenders are closing in, Joe can bomb to Torrey or Evans. SD plan was not to let the Ravens to have big play, and our plan is the same but our CBs weren't executing well and horrific at coverage.

To me if Joe connected to Evans eariler on cuz Torrey was double teamed all night, we should join the racing of who would have the highest scores in the game. The score should be 37-34.

PS: Cam, I won't bash you until the offseason, but please adjust the playcalls accordingly.......
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Yea, i'm staying off of Cam only because he's been trying. That's all i ask for is to try to improve, and he's done that, so till this offseason i'm leaving him alone.

In regards to our routes last night, yes if we ran a few complementary routes, mabye one receiver running a comback, the other running that "9" route streak up the field that we love to run, Joe may have had more to work with. I hope we watch some more film of what the Chargers did to us and implement some of that into our offense.

[JohnJohnson]

Even Flacco's first TD, he had to squeeze it in there between two defenders for Dickson to grab. There are a few elements to the receivers' troubles. One is the inexperience of Torrey, Lee Evans, and our tight ends. One is the fact that Boldin isn't very fast for a receiver (although he's good at finding holes in zone coverage). But the main one is, Cam Cameron doesn't adjust and call the right types of plays when we're clearly being handled. We just keep putting Flacco in situations where he often has no one to throw to, and he's forced to either check down or risk a turnover. I watch other games, and I don't see the average QB constantly sticking the ball into tight windows. Receivers get OPEN, through good play design. Play calling is just as important as the talent of the individual players.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1324407363' post='916444']
Yea, i'm staying off of Cam only because he's been trying. That's all i ask for is to try to improve, and he's done that, so till this offseason i'm leaving him alone.

In regards to our routes last night, yes if we ran a few complementary routes, mabye one receiver running a comback, the other running that "9" route streak up the field that we love to run, Joe may have had more to work with. [b]I hope we watch some more film of what the Chargers did to us and implement some of that into our offense.[/b]
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Norv Turner did pull most of his tricks against us; we need to keep the butt whooping tape and study it well for our future playcallings and adjustment....

[AsianRice]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324407544' post='916453']
Even Flacco's first TD, he had to squeeze it in there between two defenders for Dickson to grab. There are a few elements to the receivers' troubles. One is the inexperience of Torrey, Lee Evans, and our tight ends. One is the fact that Boldin isn't very fast for a receiver (although he's good at finding holes in zone coverage). But the main one is, Cam Cameron doesn't adjust and call the right types of plays when we're clearly being handled. We just keep putting Flacco in situations where he often has no one to throw to, and he's forced to either check down or risk a turnover. I watch other games, and I don't see the average QB constantly sticking the ball into tight windows. Receivers get OPEN, through good play design. [b]Play calling is just as important as the talent of the individual players[/b].
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Amend... I just hope for a second that Cam would adjust and call the right playcallings during playoffs. All I need is 1 month of a newly change of Cam in January....That's nothing too much to ask.....

[Ball So Hard]

Flacco had an alright night but hes not the type of qb to takeover games. If thats what your looking for well we're gonna have to wait(look at Eli it took him 7 years to develop into a dominant qb. Flacco plays well within a system and most days thats enough but agains the high flying passing teams like the Patriots, Chargers, and Packers it just wont cut it.

[FerrariFan87]

Give Flacco a Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald-type WR (Justin Blackmon plz), and he'd be an All-Pro... Q is solid and Smith is up-and-coming, but they're not true #1 WRs

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1324408463' post='916487']
Give Flacco a Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald-type WR (Justin Blackmon plz), and he'd be an All-Pro... Q is solid and Smith is up-and-coming, but they're not true #1 WRs
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Or San Diego's receivers. Flacco seems like a guy who would like some tall receivers, because he's tall. So they can operate on a plane above most corners (kinda like SD does to us).

[PeRK82]

Cant believe im reading this topic, Joe is are guy, He didnt lose the game for us against the Chargers, he didnt help either. The whole team played like crap.

If anything our O LINE needs to get more consistent. IMO

[ml63440]

Actually, Flacco was pretty much only looking deep. He wasn't looking at any intermediate routes, it was deep or nothing so check down to rice. Since Torrey started taking off again during the most recent steelers game, Boldins crossing routes that are 10-15 yards deep have stopped almost.

[margeta2005]

[quote name='Ball So Hard' timestamp='1324408177' post='916474']
Flacco had an alright night but hes not the type of qb to takeover games. If thats what your looking for well we're gonna have to wait(look at Eli it took him 7 years to develop into a dominant qb. Flacco plays well within a system and most days thats enough but agains the high flying passing teams like the Patriots, Chargers, and Packers it just wont cut it.
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yeah but sadly even the dominant qb eli isnt really dominant, last week at home vs the mighty redskins 3 INT and he was like 1/10 and 2 INTs the first two quarters. patience guys, the sd game was really lost by the defense, although the offense didnt really help, you cant blame this loss only on flacco. it was a team loss.

[PeRK82]

They shut Rice down on Sunday night, no wonder why he was getting his carries. But its not like we werent targeting him in the FLats. So i dont want to hear we need to give Rice the ball. Im sick of hearing it, we needed to throw it. We were down alot of points, no point of running the clock out when you over 3 scores, pretty dumb if you ask me.

The real problem is the O LINE not blocking, We had 5 to 6 guys in there blocking and they only rushed 3 and still got the sack, wth

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='eandb17' timestamp='1324394277' post='916136']
But do you really believe that Flacco plays the QB position better than Andy Dalton this year. Flacco will take shots downfield sometimes when nobody is open. He does this I think because he has pre-selected who he wants to throw it too. Also many times when he does throw it long, its an overthrow. Andy Dalton on the other hand, while far from perfect, makes accurate throws that make it hard for his receivers to drop.
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I watched andy dalton play the rams yesterday and he threw it deep to Aj green and that ball was hella overthrown. Green literally had dive five yards forward in order for it to be caught. His receivers are just making plays for him. Btw I'd rather have a Qb who has a soul [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png[/img] .

[FlaccoLover928]

Some people who make comments about joe and andy dalton should be banned from this site. I love flacco and my team. If you feel that way don't watch the game on sunday and root for other teams like i used to do when i was a child. Its ridiculous , yes he isn't drew brees or a-rod who people forget that wasnt that great before he won the super bowl. im not making excuses for him but if we didnt have flacco we wouldnt win to many games because obviously our defense isnt super dominant and our special teams is garbage. The previous years it just wasnt our time just like green bay fans believed it wasnt theirs when they beat the jets 9-6 or lost there other six games. I still think this is our season since when did we every get a break like the one we recieved on monday night? Eli didnt play great in his super run and neither did tom brady some guys just has that moment jump start their careers and i believe joe is the same way.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='ravens rule' timestamp='1324395648' post='916177']
If Joe doesn't play well down the stretch including the playoffs i will be tired of thinking for excuses for him its now or never for him .
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If he fails and cam cameron is not our offensive coordinator thats when I lose it

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='FlaccoLover928' timestamp='1324409714' post='916526']Some people who make comments about joe and andy dalton should be banned from this site. I love flacco and my team. If you feel that way don't watch the game on sunday and root for other teams like i used to do when i was a child. Its ridiculous , yes he isn't drew brees or a-rod who people forget that wasnt that great before he won the super bowl. im not making excuses for him but if we didnt have flacco we wouldnt win to many games because obviously our defense isnt super dominant and our special teams is garbage. The previous years it just wasnt our time just like green bay fans believed it wasnt theirs when they beat the jets 9-6 or lost there other six games. I still think this is our season since when did we every get a break like the one we recieved on monday night? Eli didnt play great in his super run and neither did tom brady some guys just has that moment jump start their careers and i believe joe is the same way.[/quote]
!! thank you, everytime i bring up that god-aweful game Aaron Rodgers had against the Jets last year people seem to have amnesia...

[The Raven]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1324394175' post='916134']
Shots down the field work when you have good recievers (WE DONT) and have time in the pocket for the play to develop ( didnt have). Joe is not smart enough in football logic to make good decsions on his throws. [b]I think this is half the reason why CAM runs all timing plays. Get Rid of Cam, Move to a West Coast offense.[/b] If Joe doesn't instantly improve then they need to find a new QB. I look at the last 4 years as wasted talent and oppertunity. They have been trying to run an outdated system that only works when you have the personal to execute it (we dont).
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This made me giggle. Cam doesn't run all timing plays, and you have it way wrong. The West Coast is more about timing than the Air Coryell. Way more. Although I agree we should move to a West Coast.

[The Raven]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1324409635' post='916520']
They shut Rice down on Sunday night, no wonder why he was getting his carries. But its not like we werent targeting him in the FLats. So i dont want to hear we need to give Rice the ball. Im sick of hearing it, we needed to throw it. We were down alot of points, no point of running the clock out when you over 3 scores, pretty dumb if you ask me.

The real problem is the O LINE not blocking, We had 5 to 6 guys in there blocking and they only rushed 3 and still got the sack, wth
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Not entirely. Rice was lighting it up on the ground. No question. At all. Also, when your down 17-7 in the second quarter, you still have time to run the football. But no, like the fool he is, Cam gave up on the run game.

To your point about the offensive line, I'm gonna blame it all on our tackles. This may have been McKinnie's worst game as a Raven.