Thing I've Noticed About Flacco

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='OUravensfan' timestamp='1324766177' post='921532']

That's making me sick btw, seeing the Lions make them look like what we should have made them look like. Its tough to win on the road in the NFL.
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Yeah, shows you why we don't want the wild card. Winning three road games in a row seems unlikely for our team.

[OUravensfan]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324766251' post='921536']

Yeah, shows you why we don't want the wild card. Winning three road games in a row seems unlikely for our team.
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I agree, we were great road warriors the last 3 years, but that's just not the case this year. So we better hold it together for one last final road game against a rookie QB.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324766251' post='921536']

Yeah, shows you why we don't want the wild card. Winning three road games in a row seems unlikely for our team.
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Agreed, we absolutely have to win next week. There is no way this team wins 3 games on the road this year.

[JohnJohnson]

OH NO! Phillip Rivers just overthrew Malcolm Floyd. Maybe it's hard to hit receivers in stride down field, for any QB? Nah, just Flacco.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324766370' post='921543']
OH NO! Phillip Rivers just overthrew Malcolm Floyd. Maybe it's hard to hit receivers in stride down field, for any QB? Nah, just Flacco.
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Shhhh, only Flacco is capable of overthowing WRs. He misses every throw I hear.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1324766452' post='921546']
Shhhh, only Flacco is capable of overthowing WRs. He misses every throw I hear.
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If Flacco hits two long bombs for TDs and over/under throws another two opportunities, fans will complain about only getting 50%. The more I hear the more I'm convinced that a lot of the complainers ONLY watch Ravens games closely, so they don't see all of the mistakes that other QBs make and they have no context for QB play. Every mistake that Flacco makes is unacceptable to them.

What do you think Andy Dalton was doing when the Cardinals almost came back and tied it up at the end? The Cardinals receiver fell down on a wide open TD for the tie. Obviously the Bengals weren't moving the ball very well, maybe because it's the NFL and there are ups and downs in every game.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324766370' post='921543']
OH NO! Phillip Rivers just overthrew Malcolm Floyd. Maybe it's hard to hit receivers in stride down field, for any QB? Nah, just Flacco.
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What didn't you know? Tyrod Taylor would have made that throw, and the only way he wouldn't have is if he had decided to go on a magical 60 yard run instead. Oh, and he would have done it blindfolded with his throwing arm tied behind his back.

[ddavisaf]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324766370' post='921543']
OH NO! Phillip Rivers just overthrew Malcolm Floyd. Maybe it's hard to hit receivers in stride down field, for any QB? Nah, just Flacco.
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That's just an uninformed response right there...

Flacco's problems stem from our receivers not getting separation and our routes being too easy to read. We're a system built on play-action (which Flacco can run better than 90% of the QB's out there) and timing routes. Timing routes don't work when your receivers aren't running convincing routes and getting separation. Flacco hits more deep passes than most of the QB's in the league.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='ddavisaf' timestamp='1324766738' post='921552']

That's just an uninformed response right there...

Flacco's problems stem from our receivers not getting separation and our routes being too easy to read. We're a system built on play-action (which Flacco can run better than 90% of the QB's out there) and timing routes. Timing routes don't work when your receivers aren't running convincing routes and getting separation. Flacco hits more deep passes than most of the QB's in the league.
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He's being sarcastic, making the point that long throws are hard to make no matter who the quarterback and receiver are. There really should be a sarcasm symbol out there, I notice a lot of people can't tell when guys are being sarcastic on this board.

[Sir Spooky]

[quote name='ddavisaf' timestamp='1324766738' post='921552']

That's just an uninformed response right there...

Flacco's problems stem from our receivers not getting separation and our routes being too easy to read. We're a system built on play-action (which Flacco can run better than 90% of the QB's out there) and timing routes. Timing routes don't work when your receivers aren't running convincing routes and getting separation. Flacco hits more deep passes than most of the QB's in the league.
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I think he was being sarcastic lol. Sarcasm isn't very noticeable on this board. Anyway its not just that because Flacco's makes bonehead mistakes too. It's different things with everyone one on the offense. Cam, Joe and the receivers.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1324766019' post='921526']
Just looking at stats is such a lazy way of judging QB performance. I guarantee if you look at ESPN's QBR (which is far from perfect but still is a much better judge of overall QB performance) he will score very well. Stats dont show a 65 yard penalty forced by Joe's arm or a 35 yard scramble on 3rd down or the drops that should have been 1st down completions.
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Right after that 35 yard scamper (which by the way was a good play) You throw a pick. So All is for nothing. Stats are not what im into at all. In fact i hate looking at stats when evaluating talent. There are key points in the game that i use to see whether a Qb is having a good game or a bad game. Ill share the plays that stick out and my logic. So the pick was horrible, what made it worse was the fact that it was on our side where we had Shayne Graham ready to get the points to ice the game. Then the browns score, we get the ball back its third and 5 and Flacco missed Tandon doss who was Open by NFL standards on an errant throw. If he makes that play to win the game. All is forgiven. That's what irritates me about him. Now we have to call a timeout to try to draw the team offsides to win the game. A good quarterback would have hustled to the line and did that almost immediately. I could go on and on im tired though. Merry Christmas, the Browns gave us one.

[JohnJohnson]

Lol, Rivers just drove them for a TD. And on the drive, he under threw a long pass to Vincent Jackson, who made a great bobbling catch on the sideline after the ball was deflected by the CB.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1324766171' post='921531']

Well, when Bisciotti or Ozzie get around to reading this topic, they'll inform John and he'll address it publicly. Once that happens, the turnovers will magically stop.
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Now condescending? You have a Merry Christmas...!!!!!!

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324767147' post='921569']
Right after that 35 yard scamper (which by the way was a good play) You throw a pick. So All is for nothing. Stats are not what im into at all. In fact i hate looking at stats when evaluating talent. There are key points in the game that i use to see whether a Qb is having a good game or a bad game. Ill share the plays that stick out and my logic. So the pick was horrible, what made it worse was the fact that it was on our side where we had Shayne Graham ready to get the points to ice the game. Then the browns score, we get the ball back its third and 5 and Flacco missed Tandon doss who was Open by NFL standards on an errant throw. If he makes that play to win the game. All is forgiven. That's what irritates me about him. Now we have to call a timeout to try to draw the team offsides to win the game. A good quarterback would have hustled to the line and did that almost immediately. I could go on and on im tired though. Merry Christmas, the Browns gave us one.
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Actually it wasn't for nothing, field position was important at that point. And on the punt return TD, Koch out punted his coverage. Flacco is a good QB, and nothing you say can change that. Merry Christmas, the Ravens gave you happy holidays if you're truly a Ravens fan. But it must be hard being in your state of "fanhood."

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324766112' post='921529']

But I thought he does turn the ball over all the time. So...what? You've been proven wrong, just accept it. If you want to look at single season stats, fine. Find the fumbles and interceptions totals for this season and post them. Support your assertion. I bet Flacco is somewhere in the low middle, separated from others in the middle of the pack by a few turnovers.
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Low middle of the league? Wow with at least ten terrible quarterbacks starting....... he's accomplished.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324767329' post='921576']
Low middle of the league? Wow with at least ten terrible quarterbacks starting....... he's accomplished.
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Only a fool would rank QBs based on a single season of turnovers, and then make judgments based on small differences. Like Flacco with 18 turnovers and a QB higher on the list with 16. 2 turnovers in one season is not a big deviation, but you would gleefully say "SEE, THAT QB IS BETTER!!!" It's just a bad attitude that you have.

[JohnJohnson]

BTW Rivers is coming back now, he's gotten warm. But one good half is unacceptable for Flacco usually, he'd be crucified for that type of first half performance.

[wizard1]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324765982' post='921525']
How's the unstoppable Phillip Rivers today? He must be amazing, since he shredded our impervious defense that carries Flacco in every game.

What? Lions winning 24-0 in the first half? But I thought that only Flacco has bad games, other good QBs are consistent and we would go undefeated if we had one of them.
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Who is this guy-dude you know nothing about quarterback mechanics or the difference between a QB that has the fire to win and a QB who is just playing to survive. I doubt you are a ravens fan but hey you just keep those Flacco pom poms waving somebody might notice you eventually!

[Tatelli]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1324765171' post='921493']


Dude; You either don't watch the games or you just don't like Joe for some other reason than his play. You make no sense.

The pick was bad, but not lethal. What made it worse was our defense playing like crap.

What killed the passing game today were the dropped passes, not Joe "regressing". Joe can definitely improve, but he is a far cry from the QB you describe. What we need is for our D to wake up and play like Ravens.
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The part that really concerns me is...."Our Defence played like crap"

Once again we have become to used to having the superman type "D"! Look at the avg. scores in todays game....They look like Basketball scores which reflects the type of rule changes geared for more over the top passing teams. Our D while not the greatest play today was more than above avg. for league standards. Our O once again was well below the league standards.

Take RR out of the game and this team will struggle!! The real question here is what/who is the problem, Is it Cam or is it Joe. Separation....Blah blah blah....I saw 3 plays where there was plenty of "NFL" separation...Results 2 under throws and one out of bounds..Dropped balls.....this is going to happen!

Why do we always take our foot of the gas pedal? 1st dn= run RR, 2nd= run RR off tackle and 3rd pass....while this is not always true it seems the normal for us. Our D is not the biggest issue here never has been, the reason why were bashing them now is because we have become soooooo used to them bailing us out!! Our issue is "STILL" the O and their inconsistent game play, be it scheme or player. John....well are you more involved with the O or not? Because if you are that tells me a lot about our complete coaching staff and leadership on the O.

Where are the crossing patterns, where are the slants ....So many questions! Wow I would love to be a fly in Ozzy's office sometimes, I'm sure someone would smash me, but I would like to hear what is really being talked about. Not Johns white collar BS post game crap!

OK I'm done venting now....

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324767706' post='921587']
Who is this guy-dude you know nothing about quarterback mechanics or the difference between a QB that has the fire to win and a QB who is just playing to survive. I doubt you are a ravens fan but hey you just keep those Flacco pom poms waving somebody might notice you eventually!
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Who is THIS guy? I am a Ravens fan, which I seriously doubt you are. And nothing I said was incorrect, Rivers got shut out in the first half. You would absolutely love to crucify Flacco for such a performance. Point made.

Oh, and I suppose that if Flacco fumbled the snap in field goal range when all he had to do was run clock against a division opponent, you'd give him the benefit of having the "fire" to win.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324767706' post='921587']
Who is this guy-dude you know nothing about quarterback mechanics or the difference between a QB that has the fire to win and a QB who is just playing to survive. I doubt you are a ravens fan but hey you just keep those Flacco pom poms waving somebody might notice you eventually!
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If I ask you how old you are, will you give me an honest response?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324767547' post='921582']

Only a fool would rank QBs based on a single season of turnovers, and then make judgments based on small differences. Like Flacco with 18 turnovers and a QB higher on the list with 16. 2 turnovers in one season is not a big deviation, but you would gleefully say "SEE, THAT QB IS BETTER!!!" It's just a bad attitude that you have.
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When did i say this? I never rated him just because of turnovers i rated him on the amount of boneheaded plays he has made this season. Also taking into consideration the game saving plays that he has made, and the negative outweigh the positive. Whats foolish about that?

[color=#202020][font=Arial,]A winner listens, a loser just waits until it is their turn to talk.[/font][/color]

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324768100' post='921603']
When did i say this? I never rated him just because of turnovers i rated him on the amount of boneheaded plays he has made this season. Also taking into consideration the game saving plays that he has made, and the negative outweigh the positive. Whats foolish about that?

[color=#202020]A winner listens, a loser just waits until it is their turn to talk.[/color]
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Funny, because by that definition you are most certainly aren't a winner. Do other QBs not make mistakes? Do you watch them? Because I do, so I have context for the ridiculousness of what you're saying. OTHER QBS MAKE BONEHEADED PLAYS. You won't see them because they're not in the highlights unless it's a turnover. If you watch games, other QBs do the same things that Flacco does. The goal is to do it as little as possible, and I assure you, Flacco is not making mistakes at a significantly higher rate than other QBs.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324767211' post='921571']
Now condescending? You have a Merry Christmas...!!!!!!
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You want the head coach to publicly address the QB's turnovers just for the hell of it, even though it wouldn't accomplish a thing. Why not get condescending?

You too buddy.

[wayne]

[quote name='OUravensfan' timestamp='1324766177' post='921532']


That's making me sick btw, seeing the Lions make them look like what we should have made them look like. Its tough to win on the road in the NFL.
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The difference, mostly playing Cover 2 making Rivers dink and dunk and that's the difference defensively,lol.

[BirdWatcher]

Now that this thread has become more about insulting each other than calmly discussing a topic, it's done.