Thing I've Noticed About Flacco

[eandb17]

Let me start by saying over the past four years you will not find a bigger Flacco supporter than me; however, during the last game something Chris Colinsworth said (that actually made sense) dawned on me. The Ravens that whole game, did not take a single shot downfield, while Phillip Rivers took many and did them with the slightest difficulty. Joe on the other hand, spent his night dumping the ball off too Ray Rice.

[b]Any quarterback in the league can check the ball down to Ray Rice, we NEED a guy that can throw the ball down field too.[/b]

Now that isn't to say he still doesn't have time to develop, but his time is running out because this offseason we have some big decisions to make.

1) Will we resign Joe Flacco to a long term contract.
2) Will we resign Cam Cameron
3) Will we draft a QB

I hate to say it, but if Flacco can't pull ourselves together and at least take us past the AFC (because there is nobody like the Chargers that will make the playoffs there) then I vote for 1, 2, and 3. Just my thoughts.

[Jamal]

[quote name='eandb17' timestamp='1324393174' post='916107']
[b]Any quarterback in the league can check the ball down to Ray Rice, we NEED a guy that can throw the ball down field too.[/b]
[/quote]
Isn't Flacco in the the top 5 in almost every category in terms of most deep passes in the NFL?

[TXRaven]

We do take shots down the field. Alot of that can be attributed to our recievers not getting separation and our Oline having an off night. We were not able to take shots down the field.

[nk02442]

Shots down the field work when you have good recievers (WE DONT) and have time in the pocket for the play to develop ( didnt have). Joe is not smart enough in football logic to make good decsions on his throws. I think this is half the reason why CAM runs all timing plays. Get Rid of Cam, Move to a West Coast offense. If Joe doesn't instantly improve then they need to find a new QB. I look at the last 4 years as wasted talent and oppertunity. They have been trying to run an outdated system that only works when you have the personal to execute it (we dont).

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='eandb17' timestamp='1324393174' post='916107']
Let me start by saying over the past four years you will not find a bigger Flacco supporter than me; however, during the last game something Chris Colinsworth said (that actually made sense) dawned on me. The Ravens that whole game, did not take a single shot downfield, while Phillip Rivers took many and did them with the slightest difficulty. Joe on the other hand, spent his night dumping the ball off too Ray Rice.

[b]Any quarterback in the league can check the ball down to Ray Rice, we NEED a guy that can throw the ball down field too.[/b]

Now that isn't to say he still doesn't have time to develop, but his time is running out because this offseason we have some big decisions to make.

1) Will we resign Joe Flacco to a long term contract.
2) Will we resign Cam Cameron
3) Will we draft a QB

I hate to say it, but if Flacco can't pull ourselves together and at least take us past the AFC (because there is nobody like the Chargers that will make the playoffs there) then I vote for 1, 2, and 3. Just my thoughts.
[/quote]

Did you see what Joe was seeing? They showed his view enough times. Another thing Collingsworth pointed out - Joe's targets were not open at all downfield. Why do you think late in the game he kept on holding onto the ball? Why do you think he took those sacks? Shoot after one of the sacks they even showed you how not a single solitary target was open. Sure he could have dumped a couple off to Rice, for a LOSS. We did not have any time to be patient and play our game thanks to our defensive break down. We could not get SD off the field or stop them from scoring. Some of it was the playcalling as it didn't seem like we sent Evans and/or Smith on deep routes. I know Joe made a couple bad decisions. Not saying he didn't but man, when the other team doesn't punt one single time, it isn't your offense nor your QB that lost you that game.

[eandb17]

But do you really believe that Flacco plays the QB position better than Andy Dalton this year. Flacco will take shots downfield sometimes when nobody is open. He does this I think because he has pre-selected who he wants to throw it too. Also many times when he does throw it long, its an overthrow. Andy Dalton on the other hand, while far from perfect, makes accurate throws that make it hard for his receivers to drop.

[757RavensFan]

I think Joe is hesitant to pull the trigger on long passes b/c he doesn't believe he has the receivers that can just go up and get it in traffic. So for everyone's sake, he's decides to err on the side of caution.

[berad]

[quote name='eandb17' timestamp='1324393174' post='916107']
Let me start by saying over the past four years you will not find a bigger Flacco supporter than me; however, during the last game [b]something Chris Colinsworth said (that actually made sense) dawned on me. The Ravens that whole game, did not take a single shot downfield[/b], while Phillip Rivers took many and did them with the slightest difficulty. Joe on the other hand, spent his night dumping the ball off too Ray Rice..
[/quote]

We did take shots down the field, even if Colinsworth was too dumb to remember them. Maybe not as much as the Chargers but, then again, their secondary didn't play like crap.

The Ravens went to their short game because the Chargers were locking down everything else and the OL was giving up pressure like no one's business. Flacco sucked, OL sucked, receivers sucked.

[RivenHale]

[quote name='eandb17' timestamp='1324394277' post='916136']
But do you really believe that Flacco plays the QB position better than Andy Dalton this year. Flacco will take shots downfield sometimes when nobody is open. He does this I think because he has pre-selected who he wants to throw it too. Also many times when he does throw it long, its an overthrow. Andy Dalton on the other hand, while far from perfect, makes accurate throws that make it hard for his receivers to drop.
[/quote]

Are you saying you'd rather have Andy Dalton than Joe Flacco?

[eandb17]

[quote name='RivenHale' timestamp='1324394831' post='916153']

Are you saying you'd rather have Andy Dalton than Joe Flacco?
[/quote]
That is what I'm saying.

[jus'_crAzy]

Kinda hard to take shots down the field when Antwan Barnes was in his face the entire night.

[Token]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1324393766' post='916124']
Isn't Flacco in the the top 5 in almost every category in terms of most deep passes in the NFL?
[/quote]



Here's some stats I got from another forum
It doesn't make sense to say he never takes shots down field..
This is for how far the ball has traveled through the air btw, not how long the play was.
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][b]11+ yards[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ben - 41.7% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Eli - 38.0% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rivers - 36.8% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ryan - 34.3% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rodgers - 34.2% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=red][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Flacco - 33.3%[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brady - 31.3% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Romo - 30.4% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brees - 28.5% [/size][/font][/color]

[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][b]21+ yards[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Eli - 15.5% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=red][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Flacco - 13.6%[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rivers - 12.1% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ben - 10.7% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Romo - 10.4% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rodgers - 9.9% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ryan - 8.7% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brees - 8.1% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brady - 7.4% [/size][/font][/color]

[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][b]31+ yards[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=red][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Flacco - 6.0%[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ben - 5.6% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Eli - 5.5% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rivers - 5.0% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ryan - 4.4% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Romo - 3.7% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rodgers - 3.4% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brees - 2.6% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brady - 2.5% [/size][/font][/color]

[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][b]41+ yards[/b][/size][/font][/color]
[color=red][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Flacco - 3.0%[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ben - 2.3% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Eli - 2.1% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rivers - 1.6% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Rodgers - 1.3% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Ryan - 1.2% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brady - 1.1% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Romo - 0.8% [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#444444][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Brees - 0.5%[/size][/font][/color]

[eandb17]

Phillip Rivers got the ball out of his hands before there was even a chance of him being sacked. Even though his receivers were consistently getting open, you CANT say with Flacco that his receivers were never open. Looking at some of the highlights when he checked down to Ray Rice, Ed Dickson would be wide open on a post about 15 yards down the field.

[ravens rule]

If Joe doesn't play well down the stretch including the playoffs i will be tired of thinking for excuses for him its now or never for him .

[jimdman]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1324394765' post='916150']

We did take shots down the field, even if Colinsworth was too dumb to remember them. Maybe not as much as the Chargers but, then again, their secondary didn't play like crap.

The Ravens went to their short game because the Chargers were locking down everything else and the OL was giving up pressure like no one's business. Flacco sucked, OL sucked, receivers sucked.
[/quote]


How about defense sucked also.

[ravensdfan]

The AFCN breeds a different type of QB because it requires a different type of QB.

I honestly don't think Brady would survive the AFCN if he had to play us more than once in a while. Our QBs have to be tough. They have to be able to take a hit. They aren't going to have stellar stats game after game after game because if we CAN, we're going to run. (yes, there are exceptions, like, you know, if you have Cam as OC at times).

Colt McCoy will not survive the AFCN.

It's hard to tell about Dalton just yet.

Joe is our QB and he fits our team and our division. He isn't about the numbers. He's about the wins.

As should we, as fans, be about the wins. I'm not concerned about Joe's development. The stats were doomed to be down this season. We let go his 2 security blankets in Heap and Mason. Joe trusted those two to do 2 things: get the ball or make sure the other team didn't get it if they couldn't. Boldin is getting better but he has had a lot of drops this year. Smith as well. Our TEs too. Even Rice has had his share. Timing is another factor. We've had to develop that chemistry and timing on the fly. Usually you have TC and such to do this but the lock out prevented that.

I'm sorry but when I see the passes that our receiving corps has dropped this year, I don't blame Joe for not completely trusting them yet.

It will come people but if you are waiting for Brady type numbers from Joe, while you may get that in a single game from time to time, that is not who we are as a team, and not who we need to be in the context of our division.

[berad]

[quote name='jimdman' timestamp='1324395680' post='916178']


How about defense sucked also.
[/quote]

That was what really lost the game game but hush, hush it's so much easier to blame it on Flacco and the offense. The Chargers scored on every drive except for a missed FG and their final drive. Pathetic.

[jimdman]

The D blew it big time.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='eandb17' timestamp='1324395506' post='916172']
Phillip Rivers got the ball out of his hands before there was even a chance of him being sacked. Even though his receivers were consistently getting open, you CANT say with Flacco that his receivers were never open. Looking at some of the highlights when he checked down to Ray Rice, Ed Dickson would be wide open on a post about 15 yards down the field.
[/quote]

Actually, yeah.

The WRs are the bigger problem. Not to say flacco's inconsistency isn't an issue.

QB is not a magical position where you can solve all the teams problems.

[RivenHale]

[quote name='eandb17' timestamp='1324395094' post='916162']
That is what I'm saying.
[/quote]

I agree, Andy Dalton would have gone 92 yards in PIttsburgh no problem. As long as the Steelers D was kind enough to hit the locker room early, anyway.

[callahan09]

Flacco has shown that he can play good football for 4 years in a row. Dalton is having a good rookie season, but let's wait a year or two before we proclaim him a better option at the position than Flacco, for goodness sake. Everybody wanted to call Freeman and Bradford better than Flacco last year, too, and look at what they've done this year: a whole lotta nothing.

[berad]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1324397302' post='916206']
Flacco has shown that he can play good football for 4 years in a row. Dalton is having a good rookie season, but let's wait a year or two before we proclaim him a better option at the position than Flacco, for goodness sake. [b]Everybody wanted to call Freeman and Bradford better than Flacco last year, too[/b], and look at what they've done this year: a whole lotta nothing.
[/quote]

Yeah that was annoying. At least Freeman put up good numbers but now he's looking like a bum. Bradford's statistics were bloated from a huge amount of passing attempts, he really wasn't that impressive.

[RavensAllTheWay]

We couldn't get it down field because the Chargers took it away. Joe was clearly frustrated at all the check downs. We just can't get behind like that since we aren't built to erase deficits like that (except against ARZ).

[Trilogique]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1324397921' post='916218']
We couldn't get it down field because the Chargers took it away. Joe was clearly frustrated at all the check downs. We just can't get behind like that since we aren't built to erase deficits like that (except against ARZ).
[/quote]
I couldn't agree more. That's how I view this franchise. Defense makes stops while our offense slowly gathers points. We are not the kind of team who can just throw it 24/7 and win by 30 points. Once our defense left our offense hanging the game was over.

[Jamal]

[quote name='eandb17' timestamp='1324395094' post='916162']
That is what I'm saying.
[/quote]
I'm guessing you'd rather have guys like Alex Smith or Mark Sanchez as well since they have better stats than Flacco this year?

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='eandb17' timestamp='1324394277' post='916136']
But do you really believe that Flacco plays the QB position better than Andy Dalton this year. Flacco will take shots downfield sometimes when nobody is open. He does this I think because he has pre-selected who he wants to throw it too. Also many times when he does throw it long, its an overthrow. Andy Dalton on the other hand, while far from perfect, makes accurate throws that make it hard for his receivers to drop.
[/quote]
Two points to make here:

1) QBs [i]do[/i] pre-select who they'll throw to; that's their primary option and who the first [i]intended[/i] target is, based on the play's design. Then if he's not open, you have your progressions and check-downs.

2) It's often better to overthrow deep balls than to underthrow them. However, it's hard to connect on deep passes. Even though Peyton Manning has made it look easy, not everyone is Peyton Manning or Drew Brees. Once you get out of that category of rare, once-in-a-lifetime QBs, the stats show that Joe Flacco is actually pretty accurate on deep passes compared to the rest of the league.

[BenDufusberger]

We knew going into the game that the Chargers had a highly-rated pass defense and a mediocre run defense , and that the plan should be to pound the rock. We got behind early , and SD knew Cam and Joe would then go pass-crazy , so their defensive job became easier , and was then very effective.

Two of Barnes sacks came after six and seven seconds. No offensive line can protect a QB that long , particularly when the QB seems to enjoy running into the scrum , rather than away from it , as Joe was doing on Sun.

You can be down by 2 TDs with 10 minutes left and still win without going all pass. A RR run can gobble up 30 - 40 yds of real estate as fast as a pass play , and that run makes the next ten pass plays much more likely to be successful.

We'll lose every time against strong passing attacks like SD , NE , NO , and GB if we play their game. Stick to what we do best - run a balanced attack with play-action , control TOP , take an occasional shot downfield. That's how KC beat GB.

[Militant X 1]

Joe was running for his life....AGAIN!!
Joe tossed 2 critical INTs when the Ravens are losing....AGAIN!!
Rice only received around 10 carries....AGAIN!!
O-line not protecting.....AGAIN!!
secondary got torched....AGAIN!!!
no defensive pass rush...AGAIN!!
no QB sacks....AGAIN!!

all of those are formulas for losing the game (i.e. [b]Titans, Jaguars, Seahawks [/b]and now the [b]Chargers[/b])

no surprises there!

~Mili

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Our recievers are not getting seperation, we always trying to get 10+ yrds on every throw. Cam needs to put in more short passes to the middle.

ps. How far is airport from the stadium?

[flynismo]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1324394765' post='916150']

We did take shots down the field, even if Colinsworth was too dumb to remember them. Maybe not as much as the Chargers but, then again, their secondary didn't play like crap.

The Ravens went to their short game because the Chargers were locking down everything else and the OL was giving up pressure like no one's business. Flacco sucked, OL sucked, receivers sucked.[/quote]

hey now, take it easy on my homefry Collinsworth! He's one of the few commentators that dont put me to sleep with their dull personalities (if I had it my way, him and Michael Irvin would announce every Raven game)