4 Reasons Why This Isn't Our Year

[jaege]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1324392461' post='916091']
4 reasons why we will win

1) Steelers want to give us the division. 2 wins against them and a gift wrap last night
2) We have beaten the Patriots in the playoffs in Foxboro before.
3) Team likes to be underdog.
4) We have beaten a ton of teams with winning records.
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Yep, so long as we do not see any teams with losing records in the playoffs it will be our year.

[baroquenspirit]

1. The Refs - They don't call the Raven's games fairly, especially when the Raven's D gets held on the pass rush.

2. ESPN - They don't give the Ravens enough respect or positive coverage, therefore, other teams are not intimidated.

3. The NFL Conspiracy - they intentionally prop up the Steelers and hold down the Ravens. Every official, replay official, grounds crew, scoreboard operator, announcer, talking head, etc, will get their annual playoff memo from Roger Goodell: "Do whatever it takes to get the Ravens eliminated from the play-offs and help the Steelers get back to the Super Bowl. We need the money, attention and viewership that the Steeler nation provides."

4. Steeler Fans from Towson, MD - these evil, bandwagon, clueless fans who don't even know what years the Steelers won the Super Bowl, can't name more than 5 players on the team, don't know a thing about football and have never even been to Pittsburgh are a cancer on the Raven's and their fan base. Until they are exterminated, they will remain a major obstacle to a Ravens championship.

[nk02442]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324472202' post='917188']
Look im down on Flacco right now, just like every fan should be at this point. The Man turns over the ball way to much. I don't care about making the playoffs riding a top five D every year. You are in denial about this guy, he has looked average at best all season long and i am still waiting for him to take that next step. On the bright side- he is saving us a ton of money on his contract, there is no way he should be looking for top dollar.
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Pretty much 100% true.

[wayne]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1324490125' post='917448']
in 4 years Flacco has more wins than any qb ever except Ryan who is tied with him and some of you want to get rid of him and the oc?
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..... and what is that saying? Really, what is that saying that Flacco in 4 years has more wins than any QB except Ryan? Our D has been ranked in the Top 5 almost every year and we have had a solid running game and that has been the biggest factor in Flacco achieving this meaningless stat that people keep bringing up.

In all seriousness, Flacco needs to be demoted to a game managing QB again with the ability to put the team on his shoulders if need be. The PA is Joes best friend, run the ball and run it some more to open up the passing game for Flacco off the PA. Flacco has th potential to be what most think he can be but many, many people in the NFL never reach that potential. We don't need Joe to put the team on his back, just need for him to manage the gam cutting back on turnovers.

[Mr. GM]

It all comes down to a total team effort! Its funny win the Ravens win, nobody sees the flaws in those games, but when they lose its like a dam broke, and all of a sudden all hell breaks lose. Each loss was no single player/positions fault. Think about this analogy for a minute: the Ravens a jigsaw puzzle that Newsome has given you all the pieces necessary, the only problem is some of the coaches aren't/can't make the pieces fit. The talent is there. The coaches are the reason for a single loss this year, not the players(they have talent), the coaches just aren't up to the task!

[BmoreInBmore]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1324339727' post='914207']
I want to win a SB this year just as bad as any of us. Ed deserves a ring more than anyone in football. But I refuse to be disillusion and put faith in winning a SB when I can clearly see this team isn't ready. I'll be a ravens fan til I die but this is honestly my conclusion on this team THIS YEAR.

1. [b]Cam Cameron[/b]

- What needs to be said that hasn't already been said. He's stubborn, has no creativity, no sense of offensive rhythm, can't adjust. You won't find Flacco's name on this list, [b]the offensive struggles are on Cam's system.[/b] Flacco is good enough to win a SB, but Cam isn't good enough to even get him there. I could sit here and elaborate but I don't think it's necessary at this point. We all know this is easily our biggest flaw.

2. [b]Learning Curve[/b] [b]In the Secondary[/b]

- We have a very young secondary, specifically our top CB's (Smith, Webb, Williams, Gorrer). The good news is these guys are VERY talented. The bad news is playing CB in the NFL has a somewhat long transition period. This has effected Jimmy the most and we've seen him make some great plays and seen him make some typical rookie mistakes. Williams also has had to learn on the job, as this is his first year starting. The Chargers really exposed our secondary and it's clear that these guys have plenty of room to grow. It's hard for me to believe that we can effectively stop a top 5 passing attack this year. These guys need more experience before they begin to truly mesh and be consistent.

3. [b]Billy Cundiff[/b]

This one has been a shocker for me. Cundiff has just been as mediocre a kicker as they get this year. His inability to make the shortest of kicks off the left hash baffles me. His missed chip shots take the wind right out of our sails and turn the tide of the game completely. Billy is far too mentally fragile and he's a MAJOR liability in the playoffs. We need all the points we can get, I don't trust him and I feel he performs worse under pressure. The kicking game is a very underrated aspect of football and Billy's personal collapse is crippling to our playoff chances.. when every game can come down to a single point, having a shaky kicking game is a shot in the foot waiting to happen. Also the fact that he can't kick more touchbacks than last year even with the extra 5 yards just makes no sense to me.

4. [b]Clock Management[/b]

Realize I'm not saying John Harbaugh, clock management skills is the only problem I see with John. Last night the Chargers had the ball on our 2 yard line with about a 1 minute left in the half. The fact that we didn't call any of our 3 timeouts is again baffling. Even if they still score a TD at least you give yourself a minute and possibly a timeout to get into FG range and make it a 7 point game. Bad clock management cost us potential points and it's not the first time John has done something similar to this. In the playoffs bad clock management can be a nail in your coffin. This is the most easily corrected problem on this list and I have no confidence in it being corrected any time soon.
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When did they start handing out copies of the offensive playbook to fans? Give me a break you know about as much about Cams "system" as I know about Japanese. I bet you also think you could be a better offensive coordinator, how many Superbowls haven you won in your madden franchise mode.

[Mr. GM]

[quote name='Jarvis Pittman' timestamp='1324487880' post='917411']
For everyone saying we need an "elite" qb and that Flacco isn't the answer I have to ask you. What do those teams with elite qb's have in common? They're defense is not very good. Baltimore has a good defense because of one reason. The Ravens run the ball. They are a physical football team. Having a good run game brings in a good defense. Having a big passing game takes away from the physicality of the team. Flacco isn't Aaron Rodgers. He isn't Drew Brees. He isn't going to do what those qb's do. They like to score early and often because their defense can not be trusted. Flacco does what he needs to do to win. He has the most wins in the NFL since he came in the league and has now been able to make it to the playoffs four straight years. Aaron Rodgers didn't even win a playoff game before last year. Drew Brees hadn't done much before his Super Bowl run. It took Peyton Manning how many years to win a Super Bowl? Don't forget that he has the worst, yes worst, playoff win loss ratio in the league right now. Flacco has proven that he can put the team on his back and win some games. Just look at what happened in Pittsburgh this year. Does he make mistakes? Yes. Can he improve some parts of his game? Yes. You don't make it to the playoffs four straight years without having an "it" factor.

As for Cam Cameron, he is either really good sometimes, or really bad. If he can remember that the Ravens have one of the best backs in the league, things will go a lot better. He can't keep trying to air it out when it is obvious that the receivers arent getting separation. Let Rice be Rice and let Flacco do what he does best. Win games.

The defense has been pretty steady all year long, except this last effort against San Diego. One game out of 14 doesnt define a defense or a season. Jimmy will get better. This is Cary's first year starting too. They are going through some growing pains. Let's see how they bounce back this week and moving forward. Teams won't be able to chip Suggs as much as long as Williams and Smith show that they can bounce back and play great football.

Semper Fidelis
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Mr. Pittman I have a question for you sir, actually two. First, What did the last eight Super Bowl Champions have in common at the QB position? Second, Flacco is fortunate to be on a team with a top 5 defense, How would Flacco's career(win/losses, stats) look like if he were on a team like the Browns or Rams?

[Rdwyer]

AMEN


[quote name='J-nonymous' timestamp='1324429596' post='916957']
Okay for all you fake fans with little to no faith. Superbowl winning teams don't have to be perfect. In the NFL anything can happen. Look at the 2010 Green Bay Packers. They had little to NO running game, the MOST injuries in the NFL, their offensive line wasn't stellar by any means, they lost to the Redskins (6-10), the Dolphins (7-9), and the Lions (6-10). Have some faith and support your team and stop BEGGING for people to get fired. Instead of going against the grain, go with it. And stop saying that the loss HURTS you, its not like they lost on purpose. The players hurt too.
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[quote name='J-nonymous' timestamp='1324429596' post='916957']
Okay for all you fake fans with little to no faith. Superbowl winning teams don't have to be perfect. In the NFL anything can happen. Look at the 2010 Green Bay Packers. They had little to NO running game, the MOST injuries in the NFL, their offensive line wasn't stellar by any means, they lost to the Redskins (6-10), the Dolphins (7-9), and the Lions (6-10). Have some faith and support your team and stop BEGGING for people to get fired. Instead of going against the grain, go with it. And stop saying that the loss HURTS you, its not like they lost on purpose. The players hurt too.
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[frozen joe flacco fan]

Mr. GM,

The most obvious answer to your question to Mr. Pittman is the same as the answer to this question to you. What did all of the SB Champion teams have in common at the QB position? All of the QBs on the SB Champion teams won the game. So what's your point? Obviously, the list of winning SB QBs is an elite group but it is by no means a measure of how good a QB is. Don't take my word for it though. Just ask Jim Kelly or Dan Marino. As for your second question, it is ridiculous. The same thing could be said for any player on our team as well as our head coach. Duh?... it's a team sport. Mr. Pittman's analysis is right on the mark. None of Joe Flacco's supporters, including me, is saying he is a Peyton Manning, Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers. Why, he's not even Ben Rothlisberger (thank heaven)! He has the potential to join their elite club by winning a Super Bowl. However, SB victory or not, Joe has already proven he's a winner. Most of Joe's detractors are whiners, not winners like him. Every Ravens player and coach needs to take a long look at the man in the mirror if they want to win the SB this year. The same thing can be said for some of our fickle fans. While looking at the man in the mirror, they should say, "If [u][b]it[/b][/u] is to be, it is up to me." That is the only [u][b]it[/b][/u] that matters and Joe Flacco has [u][b]it[/b].[/u]

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1324528423' post='917961']
..... and what is that saying? Really, what is that saying that Flacco in 4 years has more wins than any QB except Ryan? Our D has been ranked in the Top 5 almost every year and we have had a solid running game and that has been the biggest factor in Flacco achieving this meaningless stat that people keep bringing up.

In all seriousness, Flacco needs to be demoted to a game managing QB again with the ability to put the team on his shoulders if need be. The PA is Joes best friend, run the ball and run it some more to open up the passing game for Flacco off the PA. Flacco has th potential to be what most think he can be but many, many people in the NFL never reach that potential. We don't need Joe to put the team on his back, just need for him to manage the gam cutting back on turnovers.
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i dont know how long you been watching ravens football but we had this guy named Kyle Boller and he had all the same tools you mentioned to work with great d nice running attack blah blah blah but he didnt do crap wit it. flacco been here 4 years now set all kindsa franchise records been to the playoffs every year never 1 and done yet in post season and how as a Ravens fan can you say that our qb helping our team to that many victories is "meaningless" what do you want more losses? wow.....

[ravens88]

Man complain when the season is [u][b]over[/b][/u], We are going to the playoffs for the 4th season in a row trying to get a first round bye we can sweep the divison.. we have and are hopefully going to be undefeated at home for the first time in a season. Just enjoy the ride while its here geez there are 16 teams in the AFC and we are possibly the best one this year how can you complain like honestly cause our QB doesnt pass like brees, brady, rodgers? go play madden and put them on the team if your that sour about it, complain when the season over we cant change what we have now and im not complaining with what we have now thats for sure im happy where this team is and the possibilities they can do this year and the years after we are fortunate. Glad im hoping for a 1# and 2# seed and not the #1 and 2# draft pick so damn critical. hate me if you want im just saying you dont know what you have till its gone and its been awhile since the 2007 season and it all changed cause we have a great owner great GM and a solid team period ill be pissed if we lose but until were knocked out the playoffs im not gunna complain about anything anymore it could be much much worse.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

"Winners never quit and quitters never win." The same thing can be said for all of the whiners in this thread. The Ravens are winners, not whiners. Some of you should take a page out of their book.

[ravensdfan]

Four reasons why this IS our year:

1. Loss to Seattle
2. Loss to the Titans
3. Loss to the Jags
4. Loss to SD

and yet, unlike previous years, we aren't chasing the Steelers and hoping for some help to win the division. It's in our hands. Not only that, but we control our destiny as far as a home playoff game.

[PeRK82]

Didn't even read it, this thread should be closed.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='frozen joe flacco fan' timestamp='1324485594' post='917358']
You Flacco haters are all a bunch of fickle hypocrites!!!! You sing the team's praises when we win and you blame Joe Flacco when we lose. All Joe has done so far in his young career is to win 42 games in 4 years and the season isn't over --- that's not bad. All the other stats you Raven maniacs quote are meaningless because statistics are for losers. Tim Tebow completed 2 out of 8 passes in a game this year and won it because he's a gamer just like our QB. So why does Skip love Tim and hate Joe? Who knows? Stop the Skip Bayless nonsense talk and support Joe for a change! Assuming we win our next two games, our final record will be 12 -4. It will not be easy but I believe we will get it done. Quite frankly, our defense is not as good as it was in the SB year but our offense is better than it was then. Football is a team sport and this team hasn't played its best football yet. Aren't three of the four teams we lost to still in the hunt for the playoffs? Are you winners or whiners? Instead of complaining about Joe, buy a ticket to the Cincy Bungles game and cheer the Ravens on to victory. [b] I absolutely despise the Steelers but I have to give the Steelers fans some credit for travelling the way they do.[/b],
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Those arnt Traveling Stealer fans, those are Stealer fans that live in that state, Of all the cities, Pittsburgh is not a rich city anymore.

[Mr. GM]

[quote name='frozen joe flacco fan' timestamp='1324570924' post='918156']
Mr. GM,

The most obvious answer to your question to Mr. Pittman is the same as the answer to this question to you. What did all of the SB Champion teams have in common at the QB position? All of the QBs on the SB Champion teams won the game. So what's your point? Obviously, the list of winning SB QBs is an elite group but it is by no means a measure of how good a QB is. Don't take my word for it though. Just ask Jim Kelly or Dan Marino. As for your second question, it is ridiculous. The same thing could be said for any player on our team as well as our head coach. Duh?... it's a team sport. Mr. Pittman's analysis is right on the mark. None of Joe Flacco's supporters, including me, is saying he is a Peyton Manning, Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers. Why, he's not even Ben Rothlisberger (thank heaven)! He has the potential to join their elite club by winning a Super Bowl. However, SB victory or not, Joe has already proven he's a winner. Most of Joe's detractors are whiners, not winners like him. Every Ravens player and coach needs to take a long look at the man in the mirror if they want to win the SB this year. The same thing can be said for some of our fickle fans. While looking at the man in the mirror, they should say, "If [u][b]it[/b][/u] is to be, it is up to me." That is the only [u][b]it[/b][/u] that matters and Joe Flacco has [u][b]it[/b].[/u]
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Frozen Joe Flacco Fan... read my post prior to the one you commented to you. I already said its a team sport kido! This is not the Ravens defense of 2000, same as this isnt the Ravens offense of 2000, but the fact of the matter is you need a Pro Bowl quarterback to win the Lombardi trophy! Having a top 10 defense alone WILL NOT get you the Lombardi trophy, you have to have a top tier QB.
With the new rules the league has been churning out these past few years, the NFL is geared towards the offense. Most people know that, maybe not you, but most. Pass interference calls have been going up every year. Yeah, yeah Flacco has set/broke franchise records. You think on a small scale... the Ravens have only been a franchise for 16 years. Theres no one he had to beat record wise(Boller?please)...Testerverde was the best QB the Ravens had in their history, everyone else was at the end of their career.

[balimore]

For all the Raven fan doubters
[media='']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfUYuIVbFg0#t=3m23s[/media]

[cursona pirate]

No team is perfect. Anyone can beat anybody. There is no reason that any team in the playoffs could win the superbowl. Every team in the playoffs has that ability and all those teams believe they can.

[wayne]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1324573961' post='918176']

i dont know how long you been watching ravens football but we had this guy named Kyle Boller and he had all the same tools you mentioned to work with great d nice running attack blah blah blah but he didnt do crap wit it. flacco been here 4 years now set all kindsa franchise records been to the playoffs every year never 1 and done yet in post season and how as a Ravens fan can you say that our qb helping our team to that many victories is "meaningless" what do you want more losses? wow.....
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Been watching them for a while and Flacco is definitely better than Boller so that's why things could work now playing that style b/c when we need Flacco to step up, he can. Also, what I want is for Flaccos game to rise to the occasion when in matters the most ( posteason ), that's what I want. What Flacco numbers is in his first 4 years compared to other QBs, all the franchise records he has broken, GW drives he has had this season, games he has looked godawful.... all of that means nothing to me, what matters most is what he will do in this postseason and I give a fair criticism meaning if its not his fault ( O-line giving him no time, WRs dropping passes or not getting open, bad playcalling by Cam, etc.... ), I won't put it on him. I'm a Flacco supporter myself but I'm also a realist and I will take off the purple shades when making a evaluation of any of our players, a lot of you guys need to do the same, wake up and smell the hot coffee.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

I am sorry, Mr. GM. I had no idea I was communicating with Ozzie Newsome, Bobby Beathard or Charley Casserly.so I beg your pardon. You're absolutely right. I do think on a small scale and like your buddy nk02442 says my football IQ is very limited but I'll take sagacity over football IQ any day. Your point about needing the QB to be a Pro Bowler is well taken although Trent Dilfer was a one-timer and being an All-Pro didn't help Dan Marino or Jim Kelly, did it? There used to be a benchmark for developing young QBs. The commonly used rule of thumb was 6 years. By that standard, Joe is right on schedule or slightly ahead of schedule, wouldn't you agree? I have seen steady growth in Joe's development but I do think it was a mistake to fire Jim Zorn. Joe also needs a journeyman QB behind him like Marc Bulger to mentor him and to push him. Tyrod Taylor doesn't fill that order. If he doesn't continue to grow, I would be more concerned because "no growth is stagnation and always loses leadership."

[Moderator 2]

Cut the personal attacks or this thread will be closed. Questioning fans IQ's and calling them delusional is not conductive for a good debate or discussion. Don't care if you love Joe, hate Joe, love the team hate the team name calling is not necessary.

[CapoRocky]

Don't give up hope. The packers were 8-6 at this point last year and won the SB. We could overcome our mistakes and prove that luck beats talent any day. It's a long shot, but I'll still stick with the Ravens until the final play of the season.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1324605402' post='918893']
Don't give up hope. The packers were 8-6 at this point last year and won the SB. We could overcome our mistakes and prove that luck beats talent any day. It's a long shot, but I'll still stick with the Ravens until the final play of the season.
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People also seem to forget the year the Giants won they were also 10-6 and Eli Manning looked like a train wreck the whole season until the one where he [i]almost [/i]beat the Patriots. Then he turned into Joe Montana in the playoffs.

[Moderator 2]

Like Warner said in the pre-game tonite it depends which Ravens offense shows up because they can put the points up with the best of the teams

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1324339727' post='914207']
I want to win a SB this year just as bad as any of us. Ed deserves a ring more than anyone in football. But I refuse to be disillusion and put faith in winning a SB when I can clearly see this team isn't ready. I'll be a ravens fan til I die but this is honestly my conclusion on this team THIS YEAR.

1. [b]Cam Cameron[/b]

- What needs to be said that hasn't already been said. He's stubborn, has no creativity, no sense of offensive rhythm, can't adjust. You won't find Flacco's name on this list, the offensive struggles are on Cam's system. Flacco is good enough to win a SB, but Cam isn't good enough to even get him there. I could sit here and elaborate but I don't think it's necessary at this point. We all know this is easily our biggest flaw.

2. [b]Learning Curve[/b] [b]In the Secondary[/b]

- We have a very young secondary, specifically our top CB's (Smith, Webb, Williams, Gorrer). The good news is these guys are VERY talented. The bad news is playing CB in the NFL has a somewhat long transition period. This has effected Jimmy the most and we've seen him make some great plays and seen him make some typical rookie mistakes. Williams also has had to learn on the job, as this is his first year starting. The Chargers really exposed our secondary and it's clear that these guys have plenty of room to grow. It's hard for me to believe that we can effectively stop a top 5 passing attack this year. These guys need more experience before they begin to truly mesh and be consistent.

3. [b]Billy Cundiff[/b]

This one has been a shocker for me. Cundiff has just been as mediocre a kicker as they get this year. His inability to make the shortest of kicks off the left hash baffles me. His missed chip shots take the wind right out of our sails and turn the tide of the game completely. Billy is far too mentally fragile and he's a MAJOR liability in the playoffs. We need all the points we can get, I don't trust him and I feel he performs worse under pressure. The kicking game is a very underrated aspect of football and Billy's personal collapse is crippling to our playoff chances.. when every game can come down to a single point, having a shaky kicking game is a shot in the foot waiting to happen. Also the fact that he can't kick more touchbacks than last year even with the extra 5 yards just makes no sense to me.

4. [b]Clock Management[/b]

Realize I'm not saying John Harbaugh, clock management skills is the only problem I see with John. Last night the Chargers had the ball on our 2 yard line with about a 1 minute left in the half. The fact that we didn't call any of our 3 timeouts is again baffling. Even if they still score a TD at least you give yourself a minute and possibly a timeout to get into FG range and make it a 7 point game. Bad clock management cost us potential points and it's not the first time John has done something similar to this. In the playoffs bad clock management can be a nail in your coffin. This is the most easily corrected problem on this list and I have no confidence in it being corrected any time soon.
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What about Flacco regressing?

[PurpleReign92]

I honestly thought it was going to be a Rex Ryan hard nosed New York Jet year. There season is barely making the wild card I think they will have a hard time with either us Pits whoever gets the other wild card spot... That being, unless Pits gets there act together fast they may not get past the Pats...

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1324594537' post='918747']
Been watching them for a while and Flacco is definitely better than Boller so that's why things could work now playing that style b/c when we need Flacco to step up, he can. Also, what I want is for Flaccos game to rise to the occasion when in matters the most ( posteason ), that's what I want. What Flacco numbers is in his first 4 years compared to other QBs, all the franchise records he has broken, GW drives he has had this season, games he has looked godawful.... all of that means nothing to me, what matters most is what he will do in this postseason and I give a fair criticism meaning if its not his fault ( O-line giving him no time, WRs dropping passes or not getting open, bad playcalling by Cam, etc.... ), I won't put it on him. I'm a Flacco supporter myself but I'm also a realist and I will take off the purple shades when making a evaluation of any of our players, a lot of you guys need to do the same, wake up and smell the hot coffee.
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so you dont watch the reg season then.... you know, since it doesnt matter and all. All Im trying to say is it all matters and he aint doin bad so enjoy it man

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324613224' post='919004']
What about Flacco regressing?
[/quote] eye of the beholder

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

4 reasons this could be our year:

Great players on both sides of the ball. We're one of the most balanced teams in football. We haven't played a complete game of football yet where all 3 phases execute to perfection, but we've shown our brilliance in more than just flashes.

From the looks of it, we will enjoy homefield advantage. Speaks for itself and is the first time since '06 we'll get a home playoff game. Could make the difference.

We match up great against many playoff teams. Who do we play in the playoffs? If we get the 2nd seed, we play the broncos/steelers, then (probably) jets/patriots. Things could work out very well for us. There is also a solid chance that NE drops one of these upcoming games. Miami and Buffalo aren't pushovers and shouldn't be overlooked, especially miami. The AFC looks alright for us, especially if the jets beat the pats in the playoffs.

We will only get healthier. 1st round bye and a couple still dinged up players. Lewis and Webb's toes and Evan's ankle and Boldin's knee.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' timestamp='1324625884' post='919165']
eye of the beholder
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Just as other parts of our game have floundered, Flacco most certainly has regressed. He looks lost and confused at times!