I Just Need To Get This Off Of My Chest

[EternalRavensDefense]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1324342637' post='914306']

I'm not saying there were horrible but they were seriously flawed offensively. Think back to the Super Bowls in both those years, all four teams had passing games that could operate fluidly even when the opposing team new it was coming. The Ravens couldn't say that(you could argue they still can't). That's why I don't look back on those years too painfully.

The AFC title loss was bad, but Flacco's inexperience was bound to cost the team big eventually. There's a reason no team with a rookie QB has made it to the big game.
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The fact that we made it to the AFC championship in 2008 was a success considering the team wasn't even supposed to be in the playoffs.

The fact that we beat the Titans in Tennessee when the Titans had crushed the Steelers 33-14 just two weeks piror to the playoffs was even more amazing.

There is no doubt in my mind that if the Titans had beaten the Ravens, they would have won the superbowl that year with Chris Johnson playing amazing and having a defense that only allowed about 15 ppg.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1324342348' post='914296']
Cam's days are numbered because his contract ends after this year.

Flacco is still in his rookie contract, so we can decide if he's worthy enough to land that big QB contract.

[b]The WRs have been a mess, I think it's time to grow some balls and land a big and strong target and stop settling with these #2 receivers.[/b]
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Are we so sure Torrey won't develop into one? Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace, Stevie Johnson and Santonio Holmes aren't big or strong targets but they function well as primary targets.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1324341937' post='914282']

Come on Romo. Despite obvious flaws, the team had the talent to win it all last season and so is the case again this year, but the rosters in '08 and '09 weren't great.

[b]As for being perennial Super Bowl contenders, what teams can make that claim the past three seasons besides the Steelers?[/b]
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Like I keep saying. I think being to the postseason 4 straight years and being in the division with the Steelers has jaded some of our fans.

Super Bowls are not easy to appear in. Its called a game of inches for a reason. Its a tough sport to continue to make it to the big show. Sure the Steelers have done it. But what other team has recently? Saints, Colts and Patriots should be in every Super Bowl as well.

We constantly give ourselves a chance to win a title. THAT IS IMPRESSIVE. Hopefully we can come away with a title.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='EternalRavensDefense' timestamp='1324342856' post='914309']
The fact that we made it to the AFC championship in 2008 was a success considering the team wasn't even supposed to be in the playoffs.

The fact that we beat the Titans in Tennessee when the Titans had crushed the Steelers 33-14 just two weeks piror to the playoffs was even more amazing.

There is no doubt in my mind that if the Titans had beaten the Ravens, they would have won the superbowl that year with Chris Johnson playing amazing and having a defense that only allowed about 15 ppg.
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I never denied how far the team got that season was amazing. My point was that they weren't good enough to win the Super Bowl, as close as they got.

[EternalRavensDefense]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324342802' post='914308']
Each scenario you describe is different from ours. In our case we have a system that is flawed because of cam and a QB lacking in many basic fundamentals necessary to win with any consistency. It's like having a car with 2 flat tires--it's not going to run any better fixing one of them.
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Actually, it is the same exact thing. Manning in his first five season threw 28, 15, 15, 23, and 19 interception and was critcized for not taking care of the football. The Colts did not win a playoffs game until Manning sixth season. In fact, Manning was also critcized for not perfoming well against the Titans and Jets in the playoffs in his first five seasons.

Bill Cowher was the same in that his team could never win at home in the AFC championship game despite the fact that he had better talents than the teams he faced.

[PurpleReign92]

we are the 5th seed right now if we were the 6th and in the hunt I would be worried...

[BrawltimoreRavens]

While I am a firm believer that Cam needs to go, last nights disaster was not solely his fault. Flacco made horrible throws, the O-line got hammered and when your down by as many points as we were, you cannot run the ball. Knowing that we cannot run the ball and make up the points difference the Chargers were able to play back and keep the receivers in front of them, thus the mass amounts of 3-5 yard dump passes. Last night was a train wreck and I don't have the answers on how to fix our problems nor do I get paid to make those decisions. Time to move on and focus on the Browns. Go 49ers.......for tonight anyway.

[wizard1]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1324342914' post='914313']

Like I keep saying. I think being to the postseason 4 straight years and being in the division with the Steelers has jaded some of our fans.

Super Bowls are not easy to appear in. Its called a game of inches for a reason. Its a tough sport to continue to make it to the big show. Sure the Steelers have done it. But what other team has recently? Saints, Colts and Patriots should be in every Super Bowl as well.

We constantly give ourselves a chance to win a title. THAT IS IMPRESSIVE. Hopefully we can come away with a title.
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I'm sure the Buffalo Bills fans from the eighties may consider you for president I on the other hand will continue to refuse 2nd best. In fact the idea any Baltimore Raven fan would settle for less than a SB victory is repugnant.

[EternalRavensDefense]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1324343039' post='914314']

I never denied how far the team got that season was amazing. My point was that they weren't good enough to win the Super Bowl, as close as they got.
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Oh, I know that you weren't being negative. I was just saying that all of the people who are saying that the Ravens should have been to the superbowl right away didn't notice that this team shouldn't have been in the playoffs in 2008 or 2009 considering they had a new quarterback, new head coach, and wide recievers like an old Mason, injured Heap, Kelly Washington, Mark Clayton, injured LJ Smith, etc.

[EternalRavensDefense]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324343494' post='914322']
I'm sure the Buffalo Bills fans from the eighties may consider you for president I on the other hand will continue to refuse 2nd best. In fact the idea any Baltimore Raven fan would settle for less than a SB victory is repugnant.
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Actually, if you visited Bills forum, their fans have said that they would gladly suffer through losing season just to have won one superbowl in the 90s. They complimented and praised the Ravens for being able to make the playoffs and wishes that they had a team that could contend like we do.

[wizard1]

[quote name='EternalRavensDefense' timestamp='1324343227' post='914315']

Actually, it is the same exact thing. Manning in his first five season threw 28, 15, 15, 23, and 19 interception and was critcized for not taking care of the football. The Colts did not win a playoffs game until Manning sixth season. In fact, Manning was also critcized for not perfoming well against the Titans and Jets in the playoffs in his first five seasons.

Bill Cowher was the same in that his team could never win at home in the AFC championship game despite the fact that he had better talents than the teams he faced.
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So you are comparing Flacco to Manning -- in what world is that? Even at his worst Manning still had the signs of greatness and what does Bill Cowhers legacy as a coach have to do with anything-did you ever see Cowher play football? Now that's funny-I'd love to see Flacco and Cowher on the same team-- talk about high comedy! Do you really think Cowher would let Flacco QB his team? I might not be far off with that -- Cowher may be back in coaching this year.

[PuRock]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324343494' post='914322']
I'm sure the Buffalo Bills fans from the eighties may consider you for president I on the other hand will continue to refuse 2nd best. [b]In fact the idea any Baltimore Raven fan would settle for less than a SB victory is repugnant.[/b]
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Calling out my fan hood, huh? Well you seem to be settling. You keep coming back. That sounds like settling to me. If you don't like the product, stop watching. Because I got news. Its not easy to win a title.

[EternalRavensDefense]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324343914' post='914333']
So you are comparing Flacco to Manning -- in what world is that? Even at his worst Manning still had the signs of greatness and what does Bill Cowhers legacy as a coach have to do with anything-did you ever see Cowher play football? Now that's funny-I'd love to see Flacco and Cowher on the same team-- talk about high comedy! Do you really think Cowher would let Flacco QB his team? I might not be far off with that -- Cowher may be back in coaching this year.
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No, I am not comparing anything. I am saying that since you want Flacco and Harbaugh gone after 4 straight playoffs apperance and 4 wins, then you should apply your logic to other teams.

Since Flacco and Harbaugh winning 4 playoffs games and making it to the playoffs in thier first four seasons is bad, then surely Manning should have been cut considering he didn't win until his sixth season.

Also, you would want Cowher fired since he didn't win multiple superbowls despite having better talents than the team he faced.

[wizard1]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1324344032' post='914337']

Calling out my fan hood, huh? Well you seem to be settling. You keep coming back. That sounds like settling to me. If you don't like the product, stop watching. Because I got news. Its not easy to win a title.
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I don't have any choice I am a Baltimore Ravens supporter in the community and on the field a full fledged fanatic.

[omar586]

man, i thought i was the only one that thinks that cam is stubborn oc, for god sake vs SD rice was runining wild, and he started passing, wow

[Dfence4champs2052]

I'm just so done with Cam I can't even complain anymore. I'm that far from him. The LJ smith remarks are very troublesome. I just can't see Cam being here next year.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324340978' post='914250']
Sheesh and to think some people are happy to watch the others dance-sorry pal I don't live my life in milquetoast land. I live on the cutting edge-making things happen not watching with oblivious indifference.
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"Oblivious indifference"? No one said anyone was happy with not winning it all and you're just talking nonsense. No one is oblivious to the situation and all want more success. You just need to appreciate the success we have had, things could be a lot worse.

So you "live on the cutting edge making things happen"? So what are you gonna do to make the Ravens a perennial SB champion? Please get to work. Us oblivious observers would all appreciate it.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1324335860' post='914107']
Sorry, had to do it.

Cam Cameron, you're totally clueless. You have no creativity, and how you even got a job after the Miami debacle, I'll just never know. Consider yourself to be extremely lucky you have been able to be apart of such a great team over the past four years. Your time is up, and if it was up to me, you'd be gone even if we did win the Super bowl. Our veteran's aren't getting any younger. You have no idea how bad I feel for players like Reed, Johnson, Pollard, Birk, etc. Those players deserve a Super Bowl, but thanks to your play calling, we may never see them get one. Ray Lewis plays his heart out every single week. I read somewhere here that he doesn't even believe in 99%, which is totally true. He plays every single game like it's his last, and because of you, he might not be able to win another. Your whole theory on why audibles are overrated is absolutely absurd. This should be Joe Flacco's offense. I'd love to see you try and go out there and play against NFL defenses. Flacco's success is in spite of you. You leave him, and the entire offense, out to dry with your poor decisions. Great offenses fit around a players' strenghts. Why doesn't Boldin get the ball in the red zone? Why isn't Doss active? Why does Rice get the ball less than 20 times per game sometimes? You abandon the run because you think we have the same offense as the Patriots, and Flacco can just sling the ball for 300+ yards with 5 TD's. Hey, you know what, maybe he could if you were gone. I wouldn't doubt his ability to do that. He's more than just a game manager, but because of you, he looks like a joke on Prime Time. So without personally insulting you, like I wish I could, I'll just say good luck with the rest of your career. But from a fan to a coach, just retire man.

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John Harbaugh. I actually really like you. But it's time to put the whole "friends stick up for friends" thing to rest. In the offseason, I want you to personally go up to Ozzie Newsome, and tell him that it's time for a change. Why don't you get on your coordinators when they mess up? Every time I see you on the sideline, you're just standing there with a pissed off look, wondering what your first excuse to the media will be. Go and talk to Joe Flacco, tell him what you think he should do. Go up to Cam Cameron and let him know that what he's calling just isn't getting the job done. Look at Pagano and tell him to rotate and put Cary and Smith on press coverage instead of playing off. [u][b]We as fans shouldn't have to blow up a message board because our team was embarrassed on the national stage[/b][/u]. [u][b]I'm so tired of hearing things like, "well get better, no doubt about it." Or, "Our guys played a heck of a game, and they fought hard till the end. We just couldn't get it done." It should never have to come to this point. [/b][/u]Our team is STACKED. On paper, we look like a Pro Bowl squad. There is absolutely no reason why any sides of the ball should have the trouble that they did last night.

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No matter how you look at it, the losses to the Titans, Seahawks and Jaguars were unbelievable. This year has been a headache. I called these losses anamolies because[u][b] I thought we were done playing down to another teams' level, but I was wrong[/b][/u]. The one time in four years where we finally have everything in our hands, we blow it. Now we have to depend on the 49ers to beat the Steelers for heaven's sake. It shouldn't have to be like that. We should have taken care of business. Without personally insulting anyone, because this isn't what this thread is about, saying that Ray Lewis lost us the game last night is pulling for straws. Also, this is just my opinion, but I think that a lot of Ravens fans have been so tired of not having a true franchise QB since this team was built, that they're in denial about Flacco. You guys need to realize that when he's bad, he's baaaaad. The two picks last night were nobodies fault but his. I'm not putting him down, I love the kid, but the "rah rah" threads are getting old, calling out the haters then blaming other parts of our offense for HIS mistakes when he plays bad. He's extremely inconsistent. I blame Cam Cameron partially, but Flacco needs to play better. So what if we've made the playoffs four years in a row. All that matters is winning the Super Bowl, and before someone says they don't grow on trees, they seem to do so for the Steelers.

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I've been thinking about this all day. Sorry that it's so long, but thank you for reading. I'm just another frustrated fan.
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i feel the same!

~Mili

[Ravenslifer]

The more I watch these games, the more I think the problem is Cam Cameron, and I've thought he was the problem for years. How does a quarterback go from a rating of 93 last year to barely cracking 80 this year? How does a perennial pro-bowl running back get less than 10 carries in three losses? How is it that a quarterback like Alex Smith is suddenly after 6 years of mediocrity begin to find success in the league in a shortened offseason because of one guy, and now that we've given one guy control over not only Joe but the entire offense (Saunders and Zorn had input on offensive gameplans last year, and now it's just Cam, and supposedly, John, though I've seen little evidence of that). People can bash Flacco all they want, but I absolutely believe it won't matter who's quarterbacking this team as long as Cam Cameron calls the plays,

[wizard1]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1324349222' post='914731']


"Oblivious indifference"? No one said anyone was happy with not winning it all and you're just talking nonsense. No one is oblivious to the situation and all want more success. You just need to appreciate the success we have had, things could be a lot worse.

So you "live on the cutting edge making things happen"? So what are you gonna do to make the Ravens a perennial SB champion? Please get to work. Us oblivious observers would all appreciate it.
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Well first thing is I need to get supporters of change to start supporting a change. Like everyone else I haven't seen a post calling for some wholesale changes coming from you or anyone else.. It's weird-where I live in Baltimore everyone is saying this team is ridiculous and we need to get rid of cam, flacco and the core of 2nd rate receivers and defensive backs we have.. Change is difficult to accept but we all need to embrace change. Latching onto these lower tier players and standing pat isn't working!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324397008' post='916202']
Well first thing is I need to get supporters of change to start supporting a change. Like everyone else I haven't seen a post  calling for some wholesale changes coming from you or anyone else.. It's weird-where I live in Baltimore everyone is saying this team is ridiculous and we need to get rid of cam, flacco and the core of 2nd rate receivers and defensive backs we have.. Change is difficult to accept but we all need to embrace change. Latching onto these lower tier players and standing pat isn't working!
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Out of curiosity, which part of Baltimore are you from?

[PuRock]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1324397710' post='916212']
Out of curiosity, which part of Baltimore are you from?
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From the basement of the Alamo. (try to get that pop reference).

What's funny is he thinks he is something more than a FAN. Who has a choice of where to spend his time and money. That's a fan's only real input. He keeps coming to this site and seeing the nice banner ads which supports the current team.

[Runnin Raven]

I agree with the OP. Cam has not shown anything to me with respect to making our offense a legitimate threat to the top teams in the league.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324397008' post='916202']
Well first thing is I need to get supporters of change to start supporting a change. Like everyone else I haven't seen a post calling for some wholesale changes coming from you or anyone else.. It's weird-where I live in Baltimore everyone is saying this team is ridiculous and we need to get rid of cam, flacco and the core of 2nd rate receivers and defensive backs we have.. Change is difficult to accept but we all need to embrace change. Latching onto these lower tier players and standing pat isn't working!
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Ok so we rebuild our whole offense again after we just did that this season. Thats fine and all but our defense is gonna need some upgrades come very soon. People will be leaving and we need this draft year to try and pick up some alternatives to learn from our greats if they even come back next year. Our cap ceiling is tight as it is. Hopefully Cam is our biggest offensive move this off season and we can see where the chips fall next year to make a clear assessment on anyone else.

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324340665' post='914242']
Ok and what good are all the playoff trips and being 10 and 4-what diff does it make if we don't win the SB? What kind of team are we here in Baltimore. I can promise you as of today nobody will ever take us seriously again this year. In all 4 losses this year we just didn't get beat by a couple points or played our hearts out and lost on a missed last second field goal- we got punked and because of it we will probably end up being on the road as a wild card team and we all know what that means. Flacco has taken us down there 3 times already. I have the answer-when something is built on a rotten foundation you just have to tear it down and start over.
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well if we win the rest of our remaining 2 games we get the 2nd seed buddy...thats at least one home playoff game. How was the Seattle game Flaccos fault? Do you think we would have beat pittsburgh on a 92 yard drive with Tyrod Taylor. uh no. That was all Flacco. Flacco may not have the stats but this bro is a winner, you monkey. Flacco got us to what in his rookie year and was suprised he got us that far. The playoffs for that matter! The next year Flacco had a leg injury which hurt him but still managed to bring us to the playoffs and then the next year he had his best year yet. I believe in Flacco just like most people on here. I agree on firing Cam but its not Flacco. So in that case... yeah!!!

[cursona pirate]

Oh and BTW i live in bills country and you have no idea how excited they get ffrom just one win and we are complaing about 1 of 4 losses. We should appreciate to have this success. Like damn it!!!!!

[grape drank]

[quote name='PurpleDrink' timestamp='1324340461' post='914234']
Flacco will never becomes an elite QB if Killer Cam is the OC, Question.....why does Tim Tiebow have a wristband with plays on its but our 4 year QB doesnt, and btw Tiebow is a FB not a QB? Cam has hurt Flacco career so bad I dont think he can ever get any better, he's flawed for life now.
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Look at Philip Rivers, and Drew Brees numbers once cam left......GET HIM OUT OF HERE and Flacco won't have to work out his arms cuz he'll be so jacked from carrying around so many rings on his fingers. AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get Ed a ring!

[codizzle]

[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1324429499' post='916955']
Oh and BTW i live in bills country and you have no idea how excited they get ffrom just one win and we are complaing about 1 of 4 losses. We should appreciate to have this success. Like damn it!!!!!
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Ha I live in Arkansas.. They can't even spell professional sports here

D-Rey and the other guy from LR would agree with this lol

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1324429834' post='916964']
Look at Philip Rivers, and Drew Brees numbers once cam left......GET HIM OUT OF HERE and[b] Flacco won't have to work out his arms cuz he'll be so jacked from carrying around so many rings on his fingers[/b]. AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD get Ed a ring!
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lol!!!! ROFL!!!!
That was just...man.. funny stuff..

[Markus92]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1324335860' post='914107']
Sorry, had to do it.

Cam Cameron, you're totally clueless. You have no creativity, and how you even got a job after the Miami debacle, I'll just never know. Consider yourself to be extremely lucky you have been able to be apart of such a great team over the past four years. Your time is up, and if it was up to me, you'd be gone even if we did win the Super bowl. Our veteran's aren't getting any younger. You have no idea how bad I feel for players like Reed, Johnson, Pollard, Birk, etc. Those players deserve a Super Bowl, but thanks to your play calling, we may never see them get one. Ray Lewis plays his heart out every single week. I read somewhere here that he doesn't even believe in 99%, which is totally true. He plays every single game like it's his last, and because of you, he might not be able to win another. Your whole theory on why audibles are overrated is absolutely absurd. This should be Joe Flacco's offense. I'd love to see you try and go out there and play against NFL defenses. Flacco's success is in spite of you. You leave him, and the entire offense, out to dry with your poor decisions. Great offenses fit around a players' strenghts. Why doesn't Boldin get the ball in the red zone? Why isn't Doss active? Why does Rice get the ball less than 20 times per game sometimes? You abandon the run because you think we have the same offense as the Patriots, and Flacco can just sling the ball for 300+ yards with 5 TD's. Hey, you know what, maybe he could if you were gone. I wouldn't doubt his ability to do that. He's more than just a game manager, but because of you, he looks like a joke on Prime Time. So without personally insulting you, like I wish I could, I'll just say good luck with the rest of your career. But from a fan to a coach, just retire man.

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John Harbaugh. I actually really like you. But it's time to put the whole "friends stick up for friends" thing to rest. In the offseason, I want you to personally go up to Ozzie Newsome, and tell him that it's time for a change. Why don't you get on your coordinators when they mess up? Every time I see you on the sideline, you're just standing there with a pissed off look, wondering what your first excuse to the media will be. Go and talk to Joe Flacco, tell him what you think he should do. Go up to Cam Cameron and let him know that what he's calling just isn't getting the job done. Look at Pagano and tell him to rotate and put Cary and Smith on press coverage instead of playing off. We as fans shouldn't have to blow up a message board because our team was embarrassed on the national stage. I'm so tired of hearing things like, "well get better, no doubt about it." Or, "Our guys played a heck of a game, and they fought hard till the end. We just couldn't get it done." It should never have to come to this point. Our team is STACKED. On paper, we look like a Pro Bowl squad. There is absolutely no reason why any sides of the ball should have the trouble that they did last night.

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No matter how you look at it, the losses to the Titans, Seahawks and Jaguars were unbelievable. This year has been a headache. I called these losses anamolies because I thought we were done playing down to another teams' level, but I was wrong. The one time in four years where we finally have everything in our hands, we blow it. Now we have to depend on the 49ers to beat the Steelers for heaven's sake. It shouldn't have to be like that. We should have taken care of business. Without personally insulting anyone, because this isn't what this thread is about, saying that Ray Lewis lost us the game last night is pulling for straws. Also, this is just my opinion, but I think that a lot of Ravens fans have been so tired of not having a true franchise QB since this team was built, that they're in denial about Flacco. You guys need to realize that when he's bad, he's baaaaad. The two picks last night were nobodies fault but his. I'm not putting him down, I love the kid, but the "rah rah" threads are getting old, calling out the haters then blaming other parts of our offense for HIS mistakes when he plays bad. He's extremely inconsistent. I blame Cam Cameron partially, but Flacco needs to play better. So what if we've made the playoffs four years in a row. All that matters is winning the Super Bowl, and before someone says they don't grow on trees, they seem to do so for the Steelers.

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I've been thinking about this all day. Sorry that it's so long, but thank you for reading. I'm just another frustrated fan.
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you couldn't have said any of that better