I Just Need To Get This Off Of My Chest

[Romo Ravens]

Sorry, had to do it.

Cam Cameron, you're totally clueless. You have no creativity, and how you even got a job after the Miami debacle, I'll just never know. Consider yourself to be extremely lucky you have been able to be apart of such a great team over the past four years. Your time is up, and if it was up to me, you'd be gone even if we did win the Super bowl. Our veteran's aren't getting any younger. You have no idea how bad I feel for players like Reed, Johnson, Pollard, Birk, etc. Those players deserve a Super Bowl, but thanks to your play calling, we may never see them get one. Ray Lewis plays his heart out every single week. I read somewhere here that he doesn't even believe in 99%, which is totally true. He plays every single game like it's his last, and because of you, he might not be able to win another. Your whole theory on why audibles are overrated is absolutely absurd. This should be Joe Flacco's offense. I'd love to see you try and go out there and play against NFL defenses. Flacco's success is in spite of you. You leave him, and the entire offense, out to dry with your poor decisions. Great offenses fit around a players' strenghts. Why doesn't Boldin get the ball in the red zone? Why isn't Doss active? Why does Rice get the ball less than 20 times per game sometimes? You abandon the run because you think we have the same offense as the Patriots, and Flacco can just sling the ball for 300+ yards with 5 TD's. Hey, you know what, maybe he could if you were gone. I wouldn't doubt his ability to do that. He's more than just a game manager, but because of you, he looks like a joke on Prime Time. So without personally insulting you, like I wish I could, I'll just say good luck with the rest of your career. But from a fan to a coach, just retire man.

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John Harbaugh. I actually really like you. But it's time to put the whole "friends stick up for friends" thing to rest. In the offseason, I want you to personally go up to Ozzie Newsome, and tell him that it's time for a change. Why don't you get on your coordinators when they mess up? Every time I see you on the sideline, you're just standing there with a pissed off look, wondering what your first excuse to the media will be. Go and talk to Joe Flacco, tell him what you think he should do. Go up to Cam Cameron and let him know that what he's calling just isn't getting the job done. Look at Pagano and tell him to rotate and put Cary and Smith on press coverage instead of playing off. We as fans shouldn't have to blow up a message board because our team was embarrassed on the national stage. I'm so tired of hearing things like, "well get better, no doubt about it." Or, "Our guys played a heck of a game, and they fought hard till the end. We just couldn't get it done." It should never have to come to this point. Our team is STACKED. On paper, we look like a Pro Bowl squad. There is absolutely no reason why any sides of the ball should have the trouble that they did last night.

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No matter how you look at it, the losses to the Titans, Seahawks and Jaguars were unbelievable. This year has been a headache. I called these losses anamolies because I thought we were done playing down to another teams' level, but I was wrong. The one time in four years where we finally have everything in our hands, we blow it. Now we have to depend on the 49ers to beat the Steelers for heaven's sake. It shouldn't have to be like that. We should have taken care of business. Without personally insulting anyone, because this isn't what this thread is about, saying that Ray Lewis lost us the game last night is pulling for straws. Also, this is just my opinion, but I think that a lot of Ravens fans have been so tired of not having a true franchise QB since this team was built, that they're in denial about Flacco. You guys need to realize that when he's bad, he's baaaaad. The two picks last night were nobodies fault but his. I'm not putting him down, I love the kid, but the "rah rah" threads are getting old, calling out the haters then blaming other parts of our offense for HIS mistakes when he plays bad. He's extremely inconsistent. I blame Cam Cameron partially, but Flacco needs to play better. So what if we've made the playoffs four years in a row. All that matters is winning the Super Bowl, and before someone says they don't grow on trees, they seem to do so for the Steelers.

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I've been thinking about this all day. Sorry that it's so long, but thank you for reading. I'm just another frustrated fan.

[arnie_uk]

Good timing, im on another ravens forum and someone just posted this

Lj smith, former Eagle tight end was with the Ravens for one season. He had a hammy issue, but was well enough to play. Met him and his uncle a year later,
He said " Cameron was the most stubborn OC he had ever seen, he to paraphrase a bit said in essence "uses the same game plan for basically all teams, regardless of strengths or weaknesses or other team adjustments." he said everything has the same timing and tempo. Rarely did the EVEN practice a hurry up offense. All NFL teams self scout themselves to see if they have fallen into predictable tendencies, as do the Ravens. But once it was brought to Cams attention about it the offenses tendencies, he said in essence " I run the offense and we can beat teams if they know what's coming or not." that was bothersome to Saunders and lots of players, Saunders left. Flacco is not fond of Cam, don't be surprised if Zorn will be next OC.good timing, im on another ravens forum and someone just posted this......

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1324335966' post='914112']
Good timing, im on another ravens forum and someone just posted this

Lj smith, former Eagle tight end was with the Ravens for one season. He had a hammy issue, but was well enough to play. Met him and his uncle a year later,
He said " Cameron was the most stubborn OC he had ever seen, he to paraphrase a bit said in essence "uses the same game plan for basically all teams, regardless of strengths or weaknesses or other team adjustments." he said everything has the same timing and tempo. Rarely did the EVEN practice a hurry up offense. All NFL teams self scout themselves to see if they have fallen into predictable tendencies, as do the Ravens. But once it was brought to Cams attention about it the offenses tendencies, he said in essence " I run the offense and we can beat teams if they know what's coming or not." that was bothersome to Saunders and lots of players, Saunders left. Flacco is not fond of Cam, don't be surprised if Zorn will be next OC.good timing, im on another ravens forum and someone just posted this......
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I wouldn't mind Zorn at all at this point. I just strongly dislike Cam Cameron. He was good in his first season when Flacco was a rookie, but he's gotten worst every single year, and we've lost players and coaches because of it. Interesting quote. Thanks man.

[EternalRavensDefense]

I am confused by your last few sentences about the Steelers making it to the Superbowl. From 1933 to 1972, the Steelers only had 1 playoffs appearance and were the worst franchise in all of football. They were garbage and had no real fans.

From 1980 to 2005, the Steelers did not win a superbowl for 25 years. During that time period, they lost multiple AFC championship games at home to the Patriots, Chargers, etc. and even choked away a superbowl against Dallas with Neil's interceptions.

Bill cowher had three straight losing season in his 7,8,9 season and Steelers fans wanted him gone for losing in the playoffs so many times with a home game.

Just because the Steelers have won two superbowls in the last seven years does not mean that they didn't struggle for 25 years before they finally won one.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='EternalRavensDefense' timestamp='1324336834' post='914142']
I am confused by your last few sentences about the Steelers making it to the Superbowl. From 1933 to 1972, the Steelers only had 1 playoffs appearance and were the worst franchise in all of football. They were garbage and had no real fans.

From 1980 to 2005, the Steelers did not win a superbowl for 25 years. During that time period, they lost multiple AFC championship games at home to the Patriots, Chargers, etc. and even choked away a superbowl against Dallas with Neil's interceptions.

Bill cowher had three straight losing season in his 7,8,9 season and Steelers fans wanted him gone for losing in the playoffs so many times with a home game.

Just because the Steelers have won two superbowls in the last seven years does not mean that they didn't struggle for 25 years before they finally won one.
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Should have said it differently. They find ways to make it to the Super Bowl, despite the outcome. Why can't we?

Excellent points by the way.

[EternalRavensDefense]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1324336913' post='914143']

Should have said it differently. They find ways to make it to the Super Bowl, despite the outcome. Why can't we?

Excellent points by the way.
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Because it is not easy to make and win the superbowl despite what people might think.

Look, the Vikings have been to 4 superbowls and lost all of them. The Bills went to 4 straight superbowl and lost every single one.

The Oakland Raiders lost multiple AFC championship game in the late 60s and early 70s before they finally won a superbowl. The Raiders have not won a superbowl since 1983.

The Green Bay Packers were horrible in the 70s and 80s with losing seasons for multiple years. They only became great when they finally got Brett Favre, Reggie White, and drafted a great team.

The Eagles over the last decades have been to 5 NFC championship but failed to win a superbowl and have never won one in their history.

The Dallas Cowboys have not won a superbowl since 1995 and have won only one playoffs game in over 15 years.

The Bears have only one superbowl in their team history and have flondered with terrible quarterback plays for decades.

The Saints did not have a winning season for twenty years and did not win a superbowl until their forty first years in the league.

The Jets have not been back to a superbowl since Superbowl 3 and have had some of the worst drafts in history which you can see on youtube.

There are more example to be seen, but you can see from the teams above that winning a suprbowl is just not that easy .

Look, in the Ravens 15 years history, their nine playoffs wins are more than the Bengals,Buccaneers, Falcons, Chiefs, Lions, Saints, Seahawks, Jaguars, Cardinals, and Panthers. Heck, the Ravens are only one playoffs win behind the Chargers, two behind the Browns, three behind the Jets, and five behind the Bills. Most of these franchise have been in the NFL from 30 to 90 years before the Ravens were ever created. The fact that the Ravens have won a superbowl, been to two AFC championship, won two division champions, won nine playoffs games, and produced hall of famers and multiple pro bowlers is a testament to how great this franchise has been in such a young history.

[wizard1]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1324335860' post='914107']
Sorry, had to do it.

Cam Cameron, you're totally clueless. You have no creativity, and how you even got a job after the Miami debacle, I'll just never know. Consider yourself to be extremely lucky you have been able to be apart of such a great team over the past four years. Your time is up, and if it was up to me, you'd be gone even if we did win the Super bowl. Our veteran's aren't getting any younger. You have no idea how bad I feel for players like Reed, Johnson, Pollard, Birk, etc. Those players deserve a Super Bowl, but thanks to your play calling, we may never see them get one. Ray Lewis plays his heart out every single week. I read somewhere here that he doesn't even believe in 99%, which is totally true. He plays every single game like it's his last, and because of you, he might not be able to win another. Your whole theory on why audibles are overrated is absolutely absurd. This should be Joe Flacco's offense. I'd love to see you try and go out there and play against NFL defenses. Flacco's success is in spite of you. You leave him, and the entire offense, out to dry with your poor decisions. Great offenses fit around a players' strenghts. Why doesn't Boldin get the ball in the red zone? Why isn't Doss active? Why does Rice get the ball less than 20 times per game sometimes? You abandon the run because you think we have the same offense as the Patriots, and Flacco can just sling the ball for 300+ yards with 5 TD's. Hey, you know what, maybe he could if you were gone. I wouldn't doubt his ability to do that. He's more than just a game manager, but because of you, he looks like a joke on Prime Time. So without personally insulting you, like I wish I could, I'll just say good luck with the rest of your career. But from a fan to a coach, just retire man.

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John Harbaugh. I actually really like you. But it's time to put the whole "friends stick up for friends" thing to rest. In the offseason, I want you to personally go up to Ozzie Newsome, and tell him that it's time for a change. Why don't you get on your coordinators when they mess up? Every time I see you on the sideline, you're just standing there with a pissed off look, wondering what your first excuse to the media will be. Go and talk to Joe Flacco, tell him what you think he should do. Go up to Cam Cameron and let him know that what he's calling just isn't getting the job done. Look at Pagano and tell him to rotate and put Cary and Smith on press coverage instead of playing off. We as fans shouldn't have to blow up a message board because our team was embarrassed on the national stage. I'm so tired of hearing things like, "well get better, no doubt about it." Or, "Our guys played a heck of a game, and they fought hard till the end. We just couldn't get it done." It should never have to come to this point. Our team is STACKED. On paper, we look like a Pro Bowl squad. There is absolutely no reason why any sides of the ball should have the trouble that they did last night.

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No matter how you look at it, the losses to the Titans, Seahawks and Jaguars were unbelievable. This year has been a headache. I called these losses anamolies because I thought we were done playing down to another teams' level, but I was wrong. The one time in four years where we finally have everything in our hands, we blow it. Now we have to depend on the 49ers to beat the Steelers for heaven's sake. It shouldn't have to be like that. We should have taken care of business. Without personally insulting anyone, because this isn't what this thread is about, saying that Ray Lewis lost us the game last night is pulling for straws. Also, this is just my opinion, but I think that a lot of Ravens fans have been so tired of not having a true franchise QB since this team was built, that they're in denial about Flacco. You guys need to realize that when he's bad, he's baaaaad. The two picks last night were nobodies fault but his. I'm not putting him down, I love the kid, but the "rah rah" threads are getting old, calling out the haters then blaming other parts of our offense for HIS mistakes when he plays bad. He's extremely inconsistent. I blame Cam Cameron partially, but Flacco needs to play better. So what if we've made the playoffs four years in a row. All that matters is winning the Super Bowl, and before someone says they don't grow on trees, they seem to do so for the Steelers.

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I've been thinking about this all day. Sorry that it's so long, but thank you for reading. I'm just another frustrated fan.
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I'm sorry but after reading all that I think you might be the one that is clueless. Granted Cam Cameron should be fired but last nights game was not his fault-the WHOLE team laid another egg. I've been saying all year that we have a mediocre team-always middle of the road. It's been the same way for years now. We have great players but we don't have a great team and haven't had a great team since Harbaugh took over.. Last night nobody on the offense executed anything. Joe Flacco was and remains a joke QB-we will never win a SB with him and simply put we stunk up the joint as a team. Sooner or later the Baltimore faithful will rise up and put an end to this mediocrity. AS fans we pay the bills here. I'm not sure how many more games like this have to happen before we say enough is enough but it hasn't only been this year but peoples memories are short. LOOK BACK PEOPLE!!! remember how it's been year in and year out?. Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it. It's a little like the Twilight Zone. I know 1000s of people can see it but nobody is speaking up. Then there are those that come along and say, be quiet stop, making waves, and starting trouble, everything will be OK and a this and a that and the other thing-- but at the end of the day it isn't ok. and they keep putting the same kind of teams out there. and we keep lappin them up. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a freakin duck for cryin outs!!!

[EternalRavensDefense]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324339684' post='914205']
I'm sorry but after reading all that I think you might be the one that is clueless. Granted Cam Cameron should be fired but last nights game was not his fault-the WHOLE team laid another egg. I've been saying all year that we have a mediocre team-always middle of the road. It's been the same way for years now. We have great players but we don't have a great team and haven't had a great team since Harbaugh took over.. Last night nobody on the offense executed anything. Joe Flacco was and remains a joke QB-we will never win a SB with him and simply put we stunk up the joint as a team. Sooner or later the Baltimore faithful will rise up and put an end to this mediocrity. AS fans we pay the bills here. I'm not sure how many more games like this have to happen before we say enough is enough but it hasn't only been this year but peoples memories are short. LOOK BACK PEOPLE!!! remember how it's been year in and year out?. Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it. It's a little like the Twilight Zone. I know 1000s of people can see it but nobody is speaking up. Then there are those that come along and say, be quiet stop, making waves, and starting trouble, everything will be OK and a this and a that and the other thing-- but at the end of the day it isn't ok. and they keep putting the same kind of teams out there. and we keep lappin them up. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a freakin duck for cryin outs!!!
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Really, so you think making the playoffs four years in a row and having a 10-4 record this year is average.

If the ravens are an average team, I can't imagine what teams like the Texans, Jets, Falcons, etc. are. You do know that only the patriots have more wins than we do.

Look, I understand you hate Flacco and want him and Harbaugh gone just for the sake of it and you think that we suck, but do you ever have any postive ideas of improving the team.

All of your posts are about getting rid of people without any real answers.

[PurpleDrink]

Flacco will never becomes an elite QB if Killer Cam is the OC, Question.....why does Tim Tiebow have a wristband with plays on its but our 4 year QB doesnt, and btw Tiebow is a FB not a QB? Cam has hurt Flacco career so bad I dont think he can ever get any better, he's flawed for life now.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='EternalRavensDefense' timestamp='1324338403' post='914186']

Because it is not easy to make and win the superbowl despite what people might think.

Look, the Vikings have been to 4 superbowls and lost all of them. The Bills went to 4 straight superbowl and lost every single one.

The Oakland Raiders lost multiple AFC championship game in the late 60s and early 70s before they finally won a superbowl. The Raiders have not won a superbowl since 1983.

The Green Bay Packers were horrible in the 70s and 80s with losing seasons for multiple years. They only became great when they finally got Brett Favre, Reggie White, and drafted a great team.

The Eagles over the last decades have been to 5 NFC championship but failed to win a superbowl and have never won one in their history.

The Dallas Cowboys have not won a superbowl since 1995 and have won only one playoffs game in over 15 years.

The Bears have only one superbowl in their team history and have flondered with terrible quarterback plays for decades.

The Saints did not have a winning season for twenty years and did not win a superbowl until their forty first years in the league.

The Jets have not been back to a superbowl since Superbowl 3 and have had some of the worst drafts in history which you can see on youtube.

There are more example to be seen, but you can see from the teams above that winning a suprbowl is just not that easy .

Look, in the Ravens 15 years history, their nine playoffs wins are more than the Bengals,Buccaneers, Falcons, Chiefs, Lions, Saints, Seahawks, Jaguars, Cardinals, and Panthers. Heck, the Ravens are only one playoffs win behind the Chargers, two behind the Browns, three behind the Jets, and five behind the Bills. Most of these franchise have been in the NFL from 30 to 90 years before the Ravens were ever created. The fact that the Ravens have won a superbowl, been to two AFC championship, won two division champions, won nine playoffs games, and produced hall of famers and multiple pro bowlers is a testament to how great this franchise has been in such a young history.
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Thank You for taking the time to put this into perspective. I, for one, am thankful that my allegiance is with the first class winning organization that the Ravens are. To think they have had this level of success in 15 years should make every Ravens fan appreciative. Everyone wants instant gratification, it's human nature. But as you so accurately point out, Super Bowls are not easy to come by and that should not be the only measure of success.

I don't want to make this sound like we have thrown in the towel and given up. You never know, this Team could come together and do some great things. But if it doesn't happen, that doesn't mean we flush everything and start over, especially considering the level of talent that exists here.

If you don't like the way the Ravens are doing things, go root for the skins, or vikings or chiefs. I would bet that you would have a much better appreciation for the Baltimore Ravens.

[wizard1]

[quote name='EternalRavensDefense' timestamp='1324340073' post='914215']

Really, so you think making the playoffs four years in a row and having a 10-4 record this year is average.

If the ravens are an average team, I can't imagine what teams like the Texans, Jets, Falcons, etc. are. You do know that only the patriots have more wins than we do.

Look, I understand you hate Flacco and want him and Harbaugh gone just for the sake of it and you think that we suck, but do you ever have any postive ideas of improving the team.

All of your posts are about getting rid of people without any real answers.
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Ok and what good are all the playoff trips and being 10 and 4-what diff does it make if we don't win the SB? What kind of team are we here in Baltimore. I can promise you as of today nobody will ever take us seriously again this year. In all 4 losses this year we just didn't get beat by a couple points or played our hearts out and lost on a missed last second field goal- we got punked and because of it we will probably end up being on the road as a wild card team and we all know what that means. Flacco has taken us down there 3 times already. I have the answer-when something is built on a rotten foundation you just have to tear it down and start over.

[wizard1]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1324340533' post='914238']



Thank You for taking the time to put this into perspective. I, for one, am thankful that my allegiance is with the first class winning organization that the Ravens are. To think they have had this level of success in 15 years should make every Ravens fan appreciative. Everyone wants instant gratification, it's human nature. But as you so accurately point out, Super Bowls are not easy to come by and that should not be the only measure of success.

I don't want to make this sound like we have thrown in the towel and given up. You never know, this Team could come together and do some great things. But if it doesn't happen, that doesn't mean we flush everything and start over, especially considering the level of talent that exists here.

If you don't like the way the Ravens are doing things, go root for the skins, or vikings or chiefs. I would bet that you would have a much better appreciation for the Baltimore Ravens.
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Sheesh and to think some people are happy to watch the others dance-sorry pal I don't live my life in milquetoast land. I live on the cutting edge-making things happen not watching with oblivious indifference.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324339684' post='914205']
I'm sorry but after reading all that I think you might be the one that is clueless. Granted Cam Cameron should be fired but last nights game was not his fault-the WHOLE team laid another egg. I've been saying all year that we have a mediocre team-always middle of the road. It's been the same way for years now. We have great players but we don't have a great team and haven't had a great team since Harbaugh took over.. Last night nobody on the offense executed anything. [b]Joe Flacco was and remains a joke QB-we will never win a SB with him and simply put we stunk up the joint as a team. [/b]Sooner or later the Baltimore faithful will rise up and put an end to this mediocrity. AS fans we pay the bills here. I'm not sure how many more games like this have to happen before we say enough is enough but it hasn't only been this year but peoples memories are short. LOOK BACK PEOPLE!!! remember how it's been year in and year out?. Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it. It's a little like the Twilight Zone. I know 1000s of people can see it but nobody is speaking up. Then there are those that come along and say, be quiet stop, making waves, and starting trouble, everything will be OK and a this and a that and the other thing-- but at the end of the day it isn't ok. and they keep putting the same kind of teams out there. and we keep lappin them up. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a freakin duck for cryin outs!!!
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It's things like that that make me laugh. Didn't know you could tell the future. Just be here when he does lead us to the championship, and wins. Ok? Because I'll be blowing up your inbox

[ravensfan2424]

No offense to Cam, but please think more when calling plays. Boldin is an All-Pro reciever in the Red-Zone, USE HIM THERE. The ravens have one of the best running backs IN THE LEAGUE, so can someone explain why Cam chooses to give him the ball 9 or < times? And then chooses to go pass happy when the run game works? Its ridiculous! Cam, you have some of the best players in the league, USE THEM!!!

[wizard1]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1324341072' post='914252']

It's things like that that make me laugh. Didn't know you could tell the future. Just be here when he does lead us to the championship, and wins. Ok? Because I'll be blowing up your inbox
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I like challenges-If Flacco wins a Superbowl in the next 3 years I will donate $1million to a charity of your choosing. When he doesn't win one what will you do that has an equal equitable outcome? The future is based on the realism of today.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='EternalRavensDefense' timestamp='1324338403' post='914186']

Because it is not easy to make and win the superbowl despite what people might think.

Look, the Vikings have been to 4 superbowls and lost all of them. The Bills went to 4 straight superbowl and lost every single one.

The Oakland Raiders lost multiple AFC championship game in the late 60s and early 70s before they finally won a superbowl. The Raiders have not won a superbowl since 1983.

The Green Bay Packers were horrible in the 70s and 80s with losing seasons for multiple years. They only became great when they finally got Brett Favre, Reggie White, and drafted a great team.

The Eagles over the last decades have been to 5 NFC championship but failed to win a superbowl and have never won one in their history.

The Dallas Cowboys have not won a superbowl since 1995 and have won only one playoffs game in over 15 years.

The Bears have only one superbowl in their team history and have flondered with terrible quarterback plays for decades.

The Saints did not have a winning season for twenty years and did not win a superbowl until their forty first years in the league.

The Jets have not been back to a superbowl since Superbowl 3 and have had some of the worst drafts in history which you can see on youtube.

There are more example to be seen, but you can see from the teams above that winning a suprbowl is just not that easy .

Look, in the Ravens 15 years history, their nine playoffs wins are more than the Bengals,Buccaneers, Falcons, Chiefs, Lions, Saints, Seahawks, Jaguars, Cardinals, and Panthers. Heck, the Ravens are only one playoffs win behind the Chargers, two behind the Browns, three behind the Jets, and five behind the Bills. Most of these franchise have been in the NFL from 30 to 90 years before the Ravens were ever created. The fact that the Ravens have won a superbowl, been to two AFC championship, won two division champions, won nine playoffs games, and produced hall of famers and multiple pro bowlers is a testament to how great this franchise has been in such a young history.
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Much respect for this post. But I could care less about other teams. We've have a great roster for 4 years now and we haven't been able to get past the AFCCG. Purple shades or not, we should be perennial Super Bowl contenders instead of falling flat on our faces against the Steelers who we see twice in a season and the Colts, who we still can't beat unless they don't have Manning.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324341540' post='914262']
I like challenges-If Flacco wins a Superbowl in the next 3 years I will donate $1million to a charity of your choosing. When he doesn't win one what will you do that has an equal equitable outcome? The future is based on the realism of today.
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I won't bet you until Cam Cameron is gone. I think we'll all be very pleased with the way the offense will be going once he's out of Baltimore. I truly believe that.

[EternalRavensDefense]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1324340665' post='914242']
Ok and what good are all the playoff trips and being 10 and 4-what diff does it make if we don't win the SB? What kind of team are we here in Baltimore. I can promise you as of today nobody will ever take us seriously again this year. In all 4 losses this year we just didn't get beat by a couple points or played our hearts out and lost on a missed last second field goal- we got punked and because of it we will probably end up being on the road as a wild card team and we all know what that means. Flacco has taken us down there 3 times already. I have the answer-when something is built on a rotten foundation you just have to tear it down and start over.
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So, based on your ideas, the Colts should have gotten rid of Manning after 4 years considering in his first year they went 3-13 and had a losing season in his foruth season. In their fifth season, the Colts lost 41-0 in the playoffs to the Jets. So, manning should have been gone after 5 years of no playoffs wins and losing 41-0.

Bill Cowher lost at home in the playoffs to the Patriots, Broncos, Chargers with multiple AFC championship losses. He even had a losing record in his 7,8,9 years in the league. He finally won a superbowl in his 14th years, based on your reaction, he should have been gone after his 9th season.

[Slugward]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1324335860' post='914107']
Sorry, had to do it.

Cam Cameron, you're totally clueless. You have no creativity, and how you even got a job after the Miami debacle, I'll just never know. Consider yourself to be extremely lucky you have been able to be apart of such a great team over the past four years. Your time is up, and if it was up to me, you'd be gone even if we did win the Super bowl. Our veteran's aren't getting any younger. You have no idea how bad I feel for players like Reed, Johnson, Pollard, Birk, etc. Those players deserve a Super Bowl, but thanks to your play calling, we may never see them get one. Ray Lewis plays his heart out every single week. I read somewhere here that he doesn't even believe in 99%, which is totally true. He plays every single game like it's his last, and because of you, he might not be able to win another. Your whole theory on why audibles are overrated is absolutely absurd. This should be Joe Flacco's offense. I'd love to see you try and go out there and play against NFL defenses. Flacco's success is in spite of you. You leave him, and the entire offense, out to dry with your poor decisions. Great offenses fit around a players' strenghts. Why doesn't Boldin get the ball in the red zone? Why isn't Doss active? Why does Rice get the ball less than 20 times per game sometimes? You abandon the run because you think we have the same offense as the Patriots, and Flacco can just sling the ball for 300+ yards with 5 TD's. Hey, you know what, maybe he could if you were gone. I wouldn't doubt his ability to do that. He's more than just a game manager, but because of you, he looks like a joke on Prime Time. So without personally insulting you, like I wish I could, I'll just say good luck with the rest of your career. But from a fan to a coach, just retire man.

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John Harbaugh. I actually really like you. But it's time to put the whole "friends stick up for friends" thing to rest. In the offseason, I want you to personally go up to Ozzie Newsome, and tell him that it's time for a change. Why don't you get on your coordinators when they mess up? Every time I see you on the sideline, you're just standing there with a pissed off look, wondering what your first excuse to the media will be. Go and talk to Joe Flacco, tell him what you think he should do. Go up to Cam Cameron and let him know that what he's calling just isn't getting the job done. Look at Pagano and tell him to rotate and put Cary and Smith on press coverage instead of playing off. We as fans shouldn't have to blow up a message board because our team was embarrassed on the national stage. I'm so tired of hearing things like, "well get better, no doubt about it." Or, "Our guys played a heck of a game, and they fought hard till the end. We just couldn't get it done." It should never have to come to this point. Our team is STACKED. On paper, we look like a Pro Bowl squad. There is absolutely no reason why any sides of the ball should have the trouble that they did last night.

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No matter how you look at it, the losses to the Titans, Seahawks and Jaguars were unbelievable. This year has been a headache. I called these losses anamolies because I thought we were done playing down to another teams' level, but I was wrong. The one time in four years where we finally have everything in our hands, we blow it. Now we have to depend on the 49ers to beat the Steelers for heaven's sake. It shouldn't have to be like that. We should have taken care of business. Without personally insulting anyone, because this isn't what this thread is about, saying that Ray Lewis lost us the game last night is pulling for straws. Also, this is just my opinion, but I think that a lot of Ravens fans have been so tired of not having a true franchise QB since this team was built, that they're in denial about Flacco. You guys need to realize that when he's bad, he's baaaaad. The two picks last night were nobodies fault but his. I'm not putting him down, I love the kid, but the "rah rah" threads are getting old, calling out the haters then blaming other parts of our offense for HIS mistakes when he plays bad. He's extremely inconsistent. I blame Cam Cameron partially, but Flacco needs to play better. So what if we've made the playoffs four years in a row. All that matters is winning the Super Bowl, and before someone says they don't grow on trees, they seem to do so for the Steelers.

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I've been thinking about this all day. Sorry that it's so long, but thank you for reading. I'm just another frustrated fan.
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[color=#555555]Where was the shovel pass? Where were the screens? Flea flickers? End arounds? Half back pass? Draw play? Blocking? Deep ball? Fade route? Slant (except the final Torrey Smith catch)? Where was the sweep? Where is ANYTHING offensively? Guys, the defense is good, but if you make the defense play 45 mins of a 60 minute game...they ain't gonna get it done!
Is Cam Cameron BLIND? I don't think he can see when it is time to call plays that call for the very QUICK pasess and less predictable running. The "O" line is the Ravens greatest weakness and having Joe hold the ball too long to set up a pass play is just asking for it. All season long it has been the same. I just don't understand why Cam is still calling the plays or why coaching doesn't allow for the changes in a game plan to accommodate and overcome the defense. Joe needs time to throw and the recievers need time to get open...can't the coaches see that the time isn't there? Time for a leadership change in Baltimore for sure.
Please get rid of Cam Cameron!!![/color]

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='EternalRavensDefense' timestamp='1324341721' post='914271']

So, based on your ideas, the Colts should have gotten rid of Manning after 4 years considering in his first year they went 3-13 and had a losing season in his foruth season. In their fifth season, the Colts lost 41-0 in the playoffs to the Jets. So, manning should have been gone after 5 years of no playoffs wins and losing 41-0.

Bill Cowher lost at home in the playoffs to the Patriots, Broncos, Chargers with multiple AFC championship losses. He even had a losing record in his 7,8,9 years in the league. He finally won a superbowl in his 14th years, based on your reaction, he should have been gone after his 9th season.
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I like your posts. You're a great contributor. Of course there will always be a need for pessimistic people, but I'd take the positives over the negatives anyday. Like I said before, much respect.

[Tyler]

Cam really needs to go. He is a curse to this offense. His vanilla, conservative, questionable play calling has called for 3 consecutive seasons of not having enough juice to win the division or make it to the superbowl. Enough is Enough. With the talent level that this team has on the offensive side of the ball, there is no excuse for this offense not to be explosive. I would LOVE to call up a guy like Todd Haley or maybe Norv Turner.

[EternalRavensDefense]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1324341634' post='914267']

Much respect for this post. But I could care less about other teams. We've have a great roster for 4 years now and we haven't been able to get past the AFCCG. Purple shades or not, we should be perennial Super Bowl contenders instead of falling flat on our faces against the Steelers who we see twice in a season and the Colts, who we still can't beat unless they don't have Manning.
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Hey, you don't have to care about other teams. I am just telling you the truth that winning a superbowl is not easy. We could be like the Panthers, Jags, and Texans as an a expansion franchise who have never won a superbowl and are still hoping for one. Half of the teams in the nfl have never won a superbowl. You can have a great roster, but it is never a fact that you will win a superbowl right away.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1324341634' post='914267']
Much respect for this post. But I could care less about other teams. We've have a great roster for 4 years now and we haven't been able to get past the AFCCG. Purple shades or not, we should be perennial Super Bowl contenders instead of falling flat on our faces against the Steelers who we see twice in a season and the Colts, who we still can't beat unless they have Manning.
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Come on Romo. Despite obvious flaws, the team had the talent to win it all last season and so is the case again this year, but the rosters in '08 and '09 weren't great.

As for being perennial Super Bowl contenders, what teams can make that claim the past three seasons besides the Steelers?

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1324341937' post='914282']

Come on Romo. Despite obvious flaws, the team had the talent to win it all last season and so is the case again this year, but the rosters in '08 and '09 weren't great.

As for being perennial Super Bowl contenders, what teams can make that claim the past three seasons besides the Steelers?
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They were solid.. they weren't horrible. Our depth at WR was atrocious, but that was more of a ground and pound year with McClain, McGahee and Rice and our defense was unbelievable with Reed playing his heart out. You got me on '09, even though I still feel like our play calling for the Colts' game was really bad.

[wizard1]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1324341696' post='914269']

I won't bet you until Cam Cameron is gone. I think we'll all be very pleased with the way the offense will be going once he's out of Baltimore. I truly believe that.
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All worthwhile ventures begin with a single belief but unfortunately not all beliefs are worthwhile. Good Luck!

[Yatagarasu]

Cam's days are numbered because his contract ends after this year.

Flacco is still in his rookie contract, so we can decide if he's worthy enough to land that big QB contract.

The WRs have been a mess, I think it's time to grow some balls and land a big and strong target and stop settling with these #2 receivers.

[EternalRavensDefense]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1324341854' post='914278']

I like your posts. You're a great contributor. Of course there will always be a need for pessimistic people, but I'd take the positives over the negatives anyday. Like I said before, much respect.
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Hey, I just keep things in a calm manner. I know that the Ravens are going to have losses every years and that they might not win a superbowl. For me, I am happy to watch the team play and see how the journey play out every years. If we make it to the Superbowl and win it, then I will be happy and celebrate the victory. If we don't, we just got to regroup and try again next year. I have no reason to go crazy and start demanding that everybody has to be fired or cut because that serve no real purpose. The Ravens know that they got beat by the Chargers who outplayed us and they will handle that among themselves. I will just sit and observe how they played the next two weeks and in the playoffs.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I completely agree with you, Romo. Canning Cam Cameron would be the best thing that we could do to improve this team from this year to next. Now, I'm not certain, but I believe his contract is up at the end of the season and as much as Harbs definitely has a bad tendency to "stick up" for Cameron, there's been enough underachieving from the offense to see that he doesn't get a new one.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1324342238' post='914290']
They were solid.. they weren't horrible. Our depth at WR was atrocious, but that was more of a ground and pound year with McClain, McGahee and Rice and our defense was unbelievable with Reed playing his heart out. You got me on '09, even though I still feel like our play calling for the Colts' game was really bad.
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I'm not saying there were horrible but they were seriously flawed offensively. Think back to the Super Bowls in both those years, all four teams had passing games that could operate fluidly even when the opposing team new it was coming. The Ravens couldn't say that(you could argue they still can't). That's why I don't look back on those years too painfully.

The AFC title loss was bad, but Flacco's inexperience was bound to cost the team big eventually. There's a reason no team with a rookie QB has made it to the big game.

[wizard1]

[quote name='EternalRavensDefense' timestamp='1324341721' post='914271']

So, based on your ideas, the Colts should have gotten rid of Manning after 4 years considering in his first year they went 3-13 and had a losing season in his foruth season. In their fifth season, the Colts lost 41-0 in the playoffs to the Jets. So, manning should have been gone after 5 years of no playoffs wins and losing 41-0.

Bill Cowher lost at home in the playoffs to the Patriots, Broncos, Chargers with multiple AFC championship losses. He even had a losing record in his 7,8,9 years in the league. He finally won a superbowl in his 14th years, based on your reaction, he should have been gone after his 9th season.
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Each scenario you describe is different from ours. In our case we have a system that is flawed because of cam and a QB lacking in many basic fundamentals necessary to win with any consistency. It's like having a car with 2 flat tires--it's not going to run any better fixing one of them.