Cam Cameron The Qb Coach

[admartian]

GET rid of Cam. I don't know how anyone can defend him after all this time and what we have all seen. Is Joe blameless? Absolutely not.

But it's not him calling the shots. He hasn't even been given the opportunity to do so (unliek someone like Matt Ryan) to run the offense.

[b][i]IF[/i][/b] we do that, and he fails, then it's on him. UNtil then, Cam Cameron needs to be FIRED!

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1324323206' post='913718']

This! I was hoping we would win out and the Chargers would lose out. With Norv and Cam fired in the offseason and us picking up Norv as our OC. After last night's performance, if Norv is let go by SD I'm almost certain he might fill one of the current head coaching vacancies.
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I don't know that he'd be considered good head coaching material around the league. At the end of the day the underlying feeling about his tenure in SD will be that he squandered good championship opportunities with talented teams. He'd be a prime candidate for an OC vacancy however and I really want him here.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1324318409' post='913578']
I think what's kind of been the elephant in the room this year is the simple fact that other than a few games he's been lights out, Joe really hasn't been very good this year. Thats just a simple fact. Arizona the two Pitt games, Cincy and Houston. 5 in 14?
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SF game too, that was arguably his best imo. On a positive note, he's played much better in the big games so far, but last night that wasn't the case.

Also, people, I was completely stunned at how he was just standing in the pocket inviting a whole bunch of pressure. It was really shades of last season. It's been quite a while since I've seen that indecision and the holding onto the ball too long that often in one game.

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1324326470' post='913800']

I don't know that he'd be considered good head coaching material around the league. At the end of the day the underlying feeling about his tenure in SD will be that he squandered good championship opportunities with talented teams. He'd be a prime candidate for an OC vacancy however and I really want him here.
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San Diego has to be disappointed in this decade, more than we should because of their futility to get to the Super Bowl with their talents.

2004 - 12-4 with Marty, Brees, LT, and Gates results in Wild Card loss
2005 - 9-7 winning record but couldn't make the playoffs with Marty, Bress, LT, and Gates
2006 - 14-2 LT Record Year along with Rivers and Marty equal Division loss as #1 seed to New England
2007 - 11-5 Turner's era with Rivers and LT equal to conference championship loss to Perfect New England
2008 - 8-8 Still made the playoffs, but lose to the Steelers in division championship
2009 - 13-3 with Turner, Rivers, LT, VJ, and Gates = Division loss to the Jets, where Kaeding missed three FGs
2010 - 9-7 had best yard offense and yard defense and yet missed the playoffs with a winning record
2011 - Looks finally like a contender, but injuries and mistakes could cost another promising season.

Chargers had a heck of a team for 7 years, with Championship Caliber teams, yet they still struggle to get over the hump to get into the Big Game.

Our teams seem to suffer the same fate, as we go into the playoffs only to be disappointed.

Looks like both team doesn't have what it takes to turn a playoff team into a championship team.

[tctony]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1324322177' post='913694']

I said this earlier, but look at Alex Smith. All of a sudden after 5 years of mediocrity he's putting up some of the best numbers in his carrer, 7 years into it. I definitely think our whole offense would benefit from a different system.
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I agree. I still think Flacco has all the tools to be successful, which is why I'm puzzled.

That INT to Spikes was inexcusable. It would be one thing if he didn't see him, because he had 3 big lineman in front of him. But in the post game, he said he [i]did[/i] see him, and just thought he could beat him. He under threw those balls to Lee Evans early on, which could've been touchdowns.

I do think Cameron is the problem. Like you said with Alex Smith, he is finally coming around. He was probably a #1 pick for a reason. Now he is in a good system. Flacco isn't, and our entire team suffers because of it.

With Cameron at the helm, our offense will never win the game for us. When the defense suffers we can't count on our offense to go out and win games for us, which makes this team no better than any past Ravens teams.

[EternalRavensDefense]

I got this from another Ravens board, but Joe Flacco right now with his 85.8 overall quarterback rating is the exact same rating that both Rivers and Brees had with Cameron.

It is obvious with how Flacco was progressing from years 1-3 with a higher touchdown count and a better quarterback rating every year that Hue Jackson and Jim Zorn were helping to develop Flacco's talent.

Cam on the other hand suck and is hindering Flacco's development. There is a reason why Chargers fans were happy to get rid of Cam and have even said themselves that Cam is holding Flacco back.

Hell, I read somewhere where LJ Smith, our injured tight end in 2009, said that Cam Cameron was the worst coach he had ever been around.

Flacco need a real offensive coordinator like Norv Turner, who suck as a head coach, but is able to get a good understanding of his quarterback strength and weaknesses and use them.

[marylandmike12]

ah i dont like his stach so no

[Jamal]

[quote name='EternalRavensDefense' timestamp='1324329040' post='913892']
I got this from another Ravens board, but Joe Flacco right now with his 85.8 overall quarterback rating is the exact same rating that both Rivers and Brees had with Cameron.

It is obvious with how Flacco was progressing from years 1-3 with a higher touchdown count and a better quarterback rating every year that Hue Jackson and Jim Zorn were helping to develop Flacco's talent.

Cam on the other hand suck and is hindering Flacco's development. There is a reason why Chargers fans were happy to get rid of Cam and have even said themselves that Cam is holding Flacco back.

Hell, I read somewhere where LJ Smith, our injured tight end in 2009, said that Cam Cameron was the worst coach he had ever been around.

Flacco need a real offensive coordinator like Norv Turner, who suck as a head coach, but is able to get a good understanding of his quarterback strength and weaknesses and use them.
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I've been bringing this point up for 2 years now.

Rivers and Brees's stats with Cam are identical to Flacco. Now I'm not saying Flacco can ever be as good as those guys, but he certainly should be much better than he is right now.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Ravens1990' timestamp='1324328398' post='913872']

I agree. I still think Flacco has all the tools to be successful, which is why I'm puzzled.

[b]That INT to Spikes was inexcusable. It would be one thing if he didn't see him, because he had 3 big lineman in front of him. But in the post game, he said he [i]did[/i] see him, and just thought he could beat him. [/b]He under threw those balls to Lee Evans early on, which could've been touchdowns.

I do think Cameron is the problem. Like you said with Alex Smith, he is finally coming around. He was probably a #1 pick for a reason. Now he is in a good system. Flacco isn't, and our entire team suffers because of it.

With Cameron at the helm, our offense will never win the game for us. When the defense suffers we can't count on our offense to go out and win games for us, which makes this team no better than any past Ravens teams.
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Yeah, I thought that was really interesting and slightly funny to tell you the truth. I guess if you look on the bright side, he'll likely learn from it.