Cam Cameron The Qb Coach

[True]

Last year the Ravens hired Jim Zorn as the QB coach and Joe Flacco continued his upward swing from his rookie season had his best year in his young career.

In the off season due to a conflict of interest, John Harbaugh fired Jim Zorn, a move that really upset Joe. He made Cam Cameron the new QB coach so he could work more with Flacco.

So far this year Joe Flacco has had his worst statistical year of his 4 years as a starter. I used to laugh when the statement was made about just how much better Drew Brees and Philip Rivers got better once Cam left. Now I'm not so sure..

I'm not talking about the play calling or the offensive game plan, but strictly Joe Flacco's development as a QB. He has done some good things this year with a nice deep ball, a memorable clutch drive in Pittsburgh, and able to extend the play and make something out of nothing. But he still has issues with inaccurate throws, pocket presence, and reading certain defenses.

None of this is strictly Cam's fault and Joe still has to execute within the game and make plays. But the Ravens need someone to help Joe Flacco develop as a QB. Under Hue Jackson and Jim Zorn he was doing well with a steady climb, but this year he's taken a step back and is a big concern going forward.

[Twistidfunk]

I think most people are generally unhappy with Cam Cameron.

Last night our defense was the major issue. Flacco played like crap for sure and the whole team just had a reality check.

[Radinho84]

it was always: he could do much better if he had the weapons. now he has the weapons and well, just take a look at his stats.

now it´s all about cam. maybe he is holding him back and maybe not. but we are playing like a college team every now and then when everybody is able to see what is coming.

i think we have to make a few changes after this season. never the less, we are 10-4 and very likely to end the season 12-4. we are on a good way. we need to be a little more consistent and we will be just fine...

[Sam]

True,

I 100% agree with you. My friends & I were saying the same thing last night.

I think there are some all time great QBs & some good ones that are much better with the correct Offensive coordinator. I think Joe is very good & can be extreme good with the right coordinator. Does anyone really think that if Hugh was here & not the Coach of the raiders Joe would not be much better. Cam really has to go.

[Ed_Reed20]

Barring a Super Bowl run, I don't see how Cam isn't fired in the off-season. He isn't solely to be blame for the offense's failures and it was going to be difficult for the offense to get into a rhythm last night. But the continued situational play-calling issues and Joe's lack of development are reason enough to let him go.

[SideStep77]

Bottom line, we need to get rid of Cam. Did anyone else notice how we abandoned the run for a bit? Just because Ray Rice got stuffed once at the line of scrimmage. Run the dang ball! It was working well for us at first. I think Cam inhibits Flacco's development because it does not run through Flacco, it runs through Cam. It is not Joe's offense.

[Ravenslifer]

You only have to look across the country at John's brother, Jim, and the job he's done with Alex Smith. The coaching makes the difference. And in any case, I'm tired of Cam refusing to run the ball when the run is what sets up everything in our offense.

[Sam]

[quote name='SideStep77' timestamp='1324315697' post='913483']
Bottom line, we need to get rid of Cam. Did anyone else notice how we abandoned the run for a bit? Just because Ray Rice got stuffed once at the line of scrimmage. Run the dang ball! It was working well for us at first. I think Cam inhibits Flacco's development because it does not run through Flacco, it runs through Cam. It is not Joe's offense.
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The other issue I saw was that we seem to either run constantly or pass constantly on certain drives. There were 2 different drives & 1 we ran every play. On the other we passed on every down. This is not the first game like this. He is just not doing a good job - regardless of what our Head Coach will say.

[redrum52]

Yes, just the thread I've been looking for. Where to begin. Ok, last night was a total team loss, that I will admit, not exactly Cams fault, BUT losing homefield... IS ALL CAMS FAULT. I will take the Titans as another real loss, but the Jags and Seahawks fall directly on Cams shoulders. Rices fewest touches came in those games that were still in reach. No first down til the 3rd quarter. Execution could have been a problem but adjust to what suites your damn players. He can't make adjustments and is just to damn stubborn to give up power unless the team is far behind. By the way, I knew we were going to try to air the ball out because he would try to prove something to the team who fired him or he walked away from, whatever you want to call it. It's obvious the players aren't to fond of him or his play calling. Look at how the defense will praise Chuck and think about how often we hear the offense speak of Cameron. It's time for a change, actually, its BEEN time for a change.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

The fact that Norv Turner called an excellent game for the Chargers last night paired with another poor one from Cam only makes me want to swap them even more.

[Guest RBates]

Joe makes alot of bonehead plays on his own. Dont need Cam for that. This guy has clearly regressed. We need a QB.

[redrum52]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324316702' post='913516']
Joe makes alot of bonehead plays on his own. Dont need Cam for that. This guy has clearly regressed. We need a QB.
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RG3? I mean, I trust our QB... Honestly, I will withhold full judgement of Flacco until he is given a chance with a new OC. We have seen what he can do when hes on, we need to see what happens when we have a competent coordinator who will play to ALL of his players strengths. We can't judge what hes done with only Cam leading the charge.

[Guest RBates]

Cam's offense is boring and predictable. Screen plays and check downs to Ray Rice is not getting it done. Cam if you are calling deep routes and Joe is checking down you had better throw him under the bus, because you my friend are losing your job as we speak.

[grape drank]

GET CAM OUT OF HERE! WE HAVE TOO MUCH TALENT TO NOT BE PUTTING UP 30+ points!!!!!!!!! COME ON!

[Sam]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1324316879' post='913522']

RG3? I mean, I trust our QB... Honestly, I will withhold full judgement of Flacco until he is given a chance with a new OC. We have seen what he can do when hes on, we need to see what happens when we have a competent coordinator who will play to ALL of his players strengths. We can't judge what hes done with only Cam leading the charge.
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We saw how Joe did well with Hugh & Zorn as out QB Coach - that says all we need to know.

[True]

The offense just isn't very diversified. Air Coryell is a great offensive system if you have the pieces to run it. I would prefer to run an offensive scheme similar to that off the Texans and Patriots, which is more of a hybrid version that also includes short and intimidate passes.

I would like to see the middle of the field used more with the 2 TEs and Q. Get Joe Flacco on bootlegs and rollouts so he can see the whole field, and try using more quick screens to the backs with blockers instead of check downs.

Ravens have a lot of different pieces on offense. They have 2 WRs who can go deep, another who is a beast in the slot, Two young atheltic TEs that can be used as mismatches in the redzone, and RB who is a factor in the run and pass game.

They need someone who can reign all these different skills and abilities and help Joe Flacco build a strong chemistry with all of them. Joe's strength is his big arm and throwing the deep ball and his strong sideline throws. But if you can add the ability to throw throughout the middle of the field into tight coverages and pick apart the zones of a defense. Having the ability to squeeze it into tight windows even if your man isn't open.

Joe flashes the ability to do all these, but he needs someone to teach it to him as well. He's in his 4th year and about to enter his prime so the Ravens have to get an OC and QB coach that can help him develop and refine his game into a pure QB.

[arnie_uk]

Also a point to note on Hue Jackson, look what he done for campbell before he got injured. I think he would have had his best year as a QB if he stayed fit the whole year. We need a QB specfic guy to be our oc if we dint have a qb coach. Someone like GBs ocoord who doesnt call his own plays, or the saints Ocoord who agains doesnt call his own plays, atm, you would think they would want to take the next step and take over the reigns of the offense rather than just helping the HC who doe sthe play calling. If we cant get Norv Turner

[Bltravens]

I think what's kind of been the elephant in the room this year is the simple fact that other than a few games he's been lights out, Joe really hasn't been very good this year. Thats just a simple fact. Arizona the two Pitt games, Cincy and Houston. 5 in 14?

[Ravenslifer]

The thing about Cam Cameron is everywhere he's been, there's always been somebody else, Norv Turner, Jim Jorn, Hue Jackson, Al Saunders, that has coached quarterbacks before and done well at it, also helping out. It's obvious that Cam by himself is just not very good at coaching an offense, and especially not a quarterback.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1324318409' post='913578']
I think what's kind of been the elephant in the room this year is the simple fact that other than a few games he's been lights out, Joe really hasn't been very good this year. Thats just a simple fact. Arizona the two Pitt games, Cincy and Houston. 5 in 14?
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I'd throw in St. Louis (3 TDs). I also think Joe played very well against the Jets. His stats aren't good, but it was like Houston, getting hit all night, no running game, receivers getting blanketed by Derrell Revis, and he still made plays that got us points on the board. I wouldn't say not very good, but I would call Joe very inconsistent this year. When he's been good, he's played exceptionally well. When he's played bad (Tennesse, Jacksonville, Seattle, San Diego), he's looked pretty bad.

[tctony]

I just don't know who to blame anymore. I'm strictly talking about offense here - cus the defense was atrocious last night too.

Cameron sucks. If we're down by more than 1 point he completely abandons the running game. It took him 1.5 years to realize Boldin is an amazing slot receiver. He barely ever calls screen passes when Joe is getting molested in the pocket. The 1 yard swing to Leach. Sending all the receivers on a streak or to the same area. He just sucks.

Joe has gotten worse this year. This was the year he was supposed to eliminate the bone headed mistakes, and they are coming back. I've been a very adamant Flacco supporter, but I am starting to doubt. Memorable miscues last night: Had Lee Evans wide open towards the back of the end zone, and instead throws it short giving Weddle the chance to break it up. The INT to Spikes was absolutely horrible. The third down pass to Rice, while catchable was also bad.

Cameron has to go. Flacco should get a year or so in a new system, but if he doesn't improve then he needs to go too.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1324318659' post='913584']

I'd throw in St. Louis (3 TDs). I also think Joe played very well against the Jets. His stats aren't good, but it was like Houston, getting hit all night, no running game, receivers getting blanketed by Derrell Revis, and he still made plays that got us points on the board. I wouldn't say not very good, but I would call Joe very inconsistent this year. When he's been good, he's played exceptionally well. When he's played bad (Tennesse, Jacksonville, Seattle, San Diego), he's looked pretty bad.
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The Jets game he was 10/31 for 160 yards a pick 6 and was strip sacked twice....Dilfer was never that bad.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1324319411' post='913604']
The Jets game he was 10/31 for 160 yards a pick 6 and was strip sacked twice....Dilfer was never that bad.
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Idk... I remember distinctly in 2000 a game where Dilfer was abysmal against the Steelers and we lost. Of course, it was my birthday that day, and I wasn't happy with that birthday present. Here I just looked it up. 12/25 for 150 yards and a pick, Ravens lost 9-6. And yes, it was in fact, on my birthday.

[Gordo52]

Its cam camerons fault

[reediddy]

I think it comes back to this team having a dilemma in terms of finding identity. We have Torrey Smith and Lee Evans, combined with Flacco's arm, which makes us think we want to be a passing offense. Then again, we have a mauling OL and 2 very good running backs, so we want to be a running offense. CamCam is obviously leaning toward the former it seems. Flacco has regressed so much this year though that I just can't think we would continue to rely on his arm right now. I mean really, Mark Sanchez has been better this year. I'm not being a hater or overreacting; look at the stats! Equal completion percentage, more TDs, a few more INTs, similar yardage, better rating.

Flacco was projected to develop into an elite QB. Lost in all this talk is the fact that Jim Zorn's departure has had a tremendous effect on his play this year

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Ravens1990' timestamp='1324318666' post='913586']
I just don't know who to blame anymore. I'm strictly talking about offense here - cus the defense was atrocious last night too.

Cameron sucks. If we're down by more than 1 point he completely abandons the running game. It took him 1.5 years to realize Boldin is an amazing slot receiver. He barely ever calls screen passes when Joe is getting molested in the pocket. The 1 yard swing to Leach. Sending all the receivers on a streak or to the same area. He just sucks.

Joe has gotten worse this year. This was the year he was supposed to eliminate the bone headed mistakes, and they are coming back. I've been a very adamant Flacco supporter, but I am starting to doubt. Memorable miscues last night: Had Lee Evans wide open towards the back of the end zone, and instead throws it short giving Weddle the chance to break it up. The INT to Spikes was absolutely horrible. The third down pass to Rice, while catchable was also bad.

Cameron has to go. [b]Flacco should get a year or so in a new system, but if he doesn't improve then he needs to go too[/b].
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I said this earlier, but look at Alex Smith. All of a sudden after 5 years of mediocrity he's putting up some of the best numbers in his carrer, 7 years into it. I definitely think our whole offense would benefit from a different system.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1324316567' post='913511']
The fact that Norv Turner called an excellent game for the Chargers last night paired with another poor one from Cam only makes me want to swap them even more.
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This! I was hoping we would win out and the Chargers would lose out. With Norv and Cam fired in the offseason and us picking up Norv as our OC. After last night's performance, if Norv is let go by SD I'm almost certain he might fill one of the current head coaching vacancies.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1324318055' post='913566']
The offense just isn't very diversified. Air Coryell is a great offensive system if you have the pieces to run it. I would prefer to run an offensive scheme similar to that off the Texans and Patriots, which is more of a hybrid version that also includes short and intimidate passes.

I would like to see the middle of the field used more with the 2 TEs and Q. Get Joe Flacco on bootlegs and rollouts so he can see the whole field, and try using more quick screens to the backs with blockers instead of check downs.

Ravens have a lot of different pieces on offense. They have 2 WRs who can go deep, another who is a beast in the slot, Two young atheltic TEs that can be used as mismatches in the redzone, and RB who is a factor in the run and pass game.

They need someone who can reign all these different skills and abilities and help Joe Flacco build a strong chemistry with all of them. Joe's strength is his big arm and throwing the deep ball and his strong sideline throws. But if you can add the ability to throw throughout the middle of the field into tight coverages and pick apart the zones of a defense. Having the ability to squeeze it into tight windows even if your man isn't open.

Joe flashes the ability to do all these, but he needs someone to teach it to him as well. He's in his 4th year and about to enter his prime so the Ravens have to get an OC and QB coach that can help him develop and refine his game into a pure QB.
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San Diego was running the Air Coryelle... and that's the exact offense we want.

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1324324189' post='913739']

San Diego was running the Air Coryelle... and that's the exact offense we want.
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Except we got a bonehead QB and OC.

Rivers and Norv > Flacco and Cam

We should call A.J. to see if he's dumb enough to trade Rivers for Flacco. Oh wait, he might not return next year. I don't know looks like San Diego got their mojo back, so Norv and A.J. are guaranteed another year. But their chance of making the playoffs looks slim.

[bpytnjr58]

If this team goes one and done i will be both shocked and ticked if Cameron returns...He has run his course in Baltimore. Turner showed how to run an offense last night .