We Got Outcoached....baadddddd

[Markus92]

As much as our team played like ballsoSOFT University tonight i noticed how badly we were out-coached....

First off, i love Jimmy Smith and feel like he is going to be a solid corner he was not ready to start. I realize webb (our best corner) was hurt i would rather have freakin chris carr out there.... just seeing how jimmy smiths confidence was shot after being torched was disturbing, let alone embarrassing. I hope he keeps his head up

Secondly, its reaaaaalllyyyy frustrating when I know what is going to happen before the play starts and we continue to get torched by the same technique without any defensive audibles. Everytime they motioned the running back to the outside i could tell if we were in man or zone , blitzing or not. Doesn't make it better that we get no pressure on phillip rivers who still has the potential to be a top 5 QB.

Thirdly, Chuck Pagano has been doing an outstanding job this year but made absolutely NO adjustments this game. For Example we all know Sizzle is arguably our best defensive player and pagano allowed Norv turner to make him a complete non factor. when he made 1 nice adjustment(stunting him where he almost killed rivers) it was like 3 touchdowns to late.

Also everybody is bashing flacco but put yourself in his shoes. Don't get me wrong sometimes i feel like its time for a new qb like the rest of us but in reality we all know its not. For instance when you have a nice balanced long drive and your streaky kicker misses a field goal its frustrating. Let alone your offensive coordinator game plans every play so that ray rice is the number one read. Oh yeah don't forget your wide receivers get ABSLOUTELY NO SEPERATION and your OC "doesn't believe"in audibles. Plus the defense is running a 4 man rush killing your o-line and once again nobody makes a adjustment, no chip blocks or anything.I feel like our offense runs the same scheme every game unlike every other team in the NFL who bases their scheme off the opposing defenses weaknesses. Until we are able to figure out ourselves on offense we are gonna get to the same spot every year and lose because we can't get over the hump.

What does everybody else think? I know some of y'all have ALOT on your minds right now lol

[PuRock]

San Diego had a great game plan on both the offense and D. They neutralized our pass rush and we made zero adjustments that worked against it. Their defense got to our QB and eliminated Rice (often making sure they chipped him at the line).

That is how you beat the Ravens and they did it to a T. Eliminate Pass rush. Neutralize Rice.

[bpytnjr58]

Turner made an example out of Jimmy Smith tonight.

[Markus92]

True, but as a #1AFC "Superbowl" caliber team you HAVE TO make adjustments. Just having the"oh well they stopped our game plan, oh well hopefully pittsburgh loses" attitude by our team isn't going to get us anywhere

[PuRock]

[quote name='Markus92' timestamp='1324269783' post='912326']
[b]True, but as a #1AFC "Superbowl" caliber team you HAVE TO make adjustments.[/b] Just having the"oh well they stopped our game plan, oh well hopefully pittsburgh loses" attitude by our team isn't going to get us anywhere
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Unfortunately that has never been one of our coordinator's strengths.

[Markus92]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1324269775' post='912323']
Turner made an example out of Jimmy Smith tonight.
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yeah he must have read the ridiculous posts from some fans to start him over cary.... although cary gets beat he at least mans up and plays the next down.... jimmy puts his head down and lets his confidence go waayyyy DOWWWNNN......HES A FREAKING ROOKIE HES NOT GONNA STOP VINCENT JACKSON...... he's just not ready yet .... like I've beennnn saying smh

[Markus92]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1324269878' post='912343']

Unfortunately that has never been one of our coordinator's strengths.
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Yea well if we wanna get a chip anytime soon we are gonna need to change some things... idk about you but I'm tired of going to the playoffs and getting beat at around the same time every year.... Id much rather not even go

[stopsizzle555]

[quote name='Markus92' timestamp='1324269481' post='912286']
As much as our team played like ballsoSOFT University tonight i noticed how badly we were out-coached....

First off, i love Jimmy Smith and feel like he is going to be a solid corner he was not ready to start. I realize webb (our best corner) was hurt i would rather have freakin chris carr out there.... just seeing how jimmy smiths confidence was shot after being torched was disturbing, let alone embarrassing. I hope he keeps his head up

Secondly, its reaaaaalllyyyy frustrating when I know what is going to happen before the play starts and we continue to get torched by the same technique without any defensive audibles. Everytime they motioned the running back to the outside i could tell if we were in man or zone , blitzing or not. Doesn't make it better that we get no pressure on phillip rivers who still has the potential to be a top 5 QB.

Thirdly, Chuck Pagano has been doing an outstanding job this year but made absolutely NO adjustments this game. For Example we all know Sizzle is arguably our best defensive player and pagano allowed Norv turner to make him a complete non factor. when he made 1 nice adjustment(stunting him where he almost killed rivers) it was like 3 touchdowns to late.

Also everybody is bashing flacco but put yourself in his shoes. Don't get me wrong sometimes i feel like its time for a new qb like the rest of us but in reality we all know its not. For instance when you have a nice balanced long drive and your streaky kicker misses a field goal its frustrating. Let alone your offensive coordinator game plans every play so that ray rice is the number one read. Oh yeah don't forget your wide receivers get ABSLOUTELY NO SEPERATION and your OC "doesn't believe"in audibles. Plus the defense is running a 4 man rush killing your o-line and once again nobody makes a adjustment, no chip blocks or anything.I feel like our offense runs the same scheme every game unlike every other team in the NFL who bases their scheme off the opposing defenses weaknesses. Until we are able to figure out ourselves on offense we are gonna get to the same spot every year and lose because we can't get over the hump.

What does everybody else think? I know some of y'all have ALOT on your minds right now lol
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first, i agree with your comment on pagano. he just let the chargers take out our best playmaker on d right now. made no adjustments and when the opponent scores on its first 5 possessions, your doing something wrong

i understand that its frustrating when your kicker misses a fg but flacco was awful tonight. absolutely no pocket awareness and he got sacked a lot because of it. and you cant say our wr's got no separation because from what i saw they were playing a lot of zone which is just about joe finding the windows in that zone and you cant see downfield on tv. i refuse to believe that we had no receivers open downfield this game. just isnt plausible. also, i dont think the o line had that bad of a game, joe just hung on to the ball too long. but he had a pretty good pocket for most of the night

[RedFire]

they don't put jimmy in press coverage.....see andy reid on philly and how asomuga has been uneffective all season. gotta use a corner's strenghts.

[Markus92]

[quote name='stopsizzle555' timestamp='1324270275' post='912395']
first, i agree with your comment on pagano. he just let the chargers take out our best playmaker on d right now. made no adjustments and when the opponent scores on its first 5 possessions, your doing something wrong

i understand that its frustrating when your kicker misses a fg but flacco was awful tonight. absolutely no pocket awareness and he got sacked a lot because of it. and you cant say our wr's got no separation because from what i saw they were playing a lot of zone which is just about joe finding the windows in that zone and you cant see downfield on tv. i refuse to believe that we had no receivers open downfield this game. just isnt plausible. also, i dont think the o line had that bad of a game, joe just hung on to the ball too long. but he had a pretty good pocket for most of the night
[/quote]

True, I just feel that with proper adjustments and freedom flacco would be waaaayyyy better.... id hate for us to get rid of him like everybody wants and us to get scorched by him.... similar to how barnes(our best pass rusher a few years ago) and Gaither (A massive 6'9 LT who specializes in pass blocking) did to us tonight just because they were put in positions to succeed by their coaches.... its so frustrating...Hopefully flacco just had a rough game and can pick it up for the playoffs because as of right now he better get used to playing on the road... smh

[D-Rey]

[quote name='stopsizzle555' timestamp='1324270275' post='912395']
first, i agree with your comment on pagano. he just let the chargers take out our best playmaker on d right now. made no adjustments and when the opponent scores on its first 5 possessions, your doing something wrong

i understand that its frustrating when your kicker misses a fg but flacco was awful tonight. absolutely no pocket awareness and he got sacked a lot because of it. and you cant say our wr's got no separation because from what i saw they were playing a lot of zone which is just about joe finding the windows in that zone and you cant see downfield on tv. i refuse to believe that we had no receivers open downfield this game. just isnt plausible. also, i dont think the o line had that bad of a game, joe just hung on to the ball too long. [b]but he had a pretty good pocket for most of the nigh[/b]t
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he had no pocket all night. And then WR were covered well all night. If you actually watch the coverage instead of assuming you would see it. It is plausible. Flacco was getting frustrated from having no time and having to check down

[reediddy]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1324269775' post='912323']
Turner made an example out of Jimmy Smith tonight.
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I think moreso out of Cary Williams

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1324269775' post='912323']
Turner [i][u][b]made an example [/b][/u][/i]out of Jimmy Smith tonight.
[/quote]

and that's the bottomline!

he said that he thought Jimmy was over-confident and that he hasn't really been tested. his game plan was to target Jimmy nd it worked to perfection!

~Mili

[Markus92]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1324271249' post='912492']

I think moreso out of Cary Williams
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Cary got beat on one play when in man and it was a double move..... other that that he was the victim of a zone defense without ANYYYY pressure

[RavenousBG]

[quote name='Markus92' timestamp='1324269481' post='912286']
As much as our team played like ballsoSOFT University tonight i noticed how badly we were out-coached....

First off, i love Jimmy Smith and feel like he is going to be a solid corner he was not ready to start. I realize webb (our best corner) was hurt i would rather have freakin chris carr out there.... just seeing how jimmy smiths confidence was shot after being torched was disturbing, let alone embarrassing. I hope he keeps his head up

Secondly, its reaaaaalllyyyy frustrating when I know what is going to happen before the play starts and we continue to get torched by the same technique without any defensive audibles. Everytime they motioned the running back to the outside i could tell if we were in man or zone , blitzing or not. Doesn't make it better that we get no pressure on phillip rivers who still has the potential to be a top 5 QB.

Thirdly, Chuck Pagano has been doing an outstanding job this year but made absolutely NO adjustments this game. For Example we all know Sizzle is arguably our best defensive player and pagano allowed Norv turner to make him a complete non factor. when he made 1 nice adjustment(stunting him where he almost killed rivers) it was like 3 touchdowns to late.

Also everybody is bashing flacco but put yourself in his shoes. Don't get me wrong sometimes i feel like its time for a new qb like the rest of us but in reality we all know its not. For instance when you have a nice balanced long drive and your streaky kicker misses a field goal its frustrating. Let alone your offensive coordinator game plans every play so that ray rice is the number one read. Oh yeah don't forget your wide receivers get ABSLOUTELY NO SEPERATION and your OC "doesn't believe"in audibles. Plus the defense is running a 4 man rush killing your o-line and once again nobody makes a adjustment, no chip blocks or anything.I feel like our offense runs the same scheme every game unlike every other team in the NFL who bases their scheme off the opposing defenses weaknesses. Until we are able to figure out ourselves on offense we are gonna get to the same spot every year and lose because we can't get over the hump.

What does everybody else think? I know some of y'all have ALOT on your minds right now lol
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I don't think it was the coaches. A lot of people like to say outcoached but I think it was simply outplayed. It was the players. This late in the year with all the film teams have, they know what you are going to do and we know what they are going to do, you have to out play now. Ed is a vet yet we continued to see him chase plays as the ball sailed over his head along with the corners. Ed was trusting his guys to get to the QB and hoping to jump a route for a pick but after a couple of times he should have adjusted as the young CBs were not holding up in man coverage with big cushions. Ed never adjusted. I never saw our guys beat their man. I saw blitzes constantly picked up and no interior lineman beat the one on one matchup the blitzes caused. So It was the players on this one. Not Cam, not Chuck. No player really showed. Everyone was blah. I thought Torrey made a couple of plays and Dickson's catch was nice. Reed got the late return but that was about it. It just wasn't enough against a desperate team that pulled out all the stops to get a win. The Chargers sold out. The Players played for their playoff lives, we played like we had 8 more lives.
Let's not used the tired cliche that we got out coached. We got out played.

[Steelers1970]

As my name you can tell I am a Steeler fan. I like our rivalry & I do have to say one thing. To just flatly throw Flacco to the wolves as some of you want to is just what we would like to hear. Your problem tonight was just stuff went bad early & Cameron stopped using your best weapon, Rice. I know he had a ton of catches, but they were always the last resort. Also you didn't use the softer short middle of the field as much as you do against us.

I'm really surprised honestly about how negative alot of you are about your team. We don't like you much, but we respect you. The games against you are the ones we definitely watch. We will meet again in the playoffs the only question is where. Your road record is off the table really. We know each other so well either place we play is home. We might both even play harder on the road out of spite.

[1bodaciousraven]

This game upset my stomache, I'm going to lock myself away now and wait for the sweet embrace of death.

[stopsizzle555]

[quote name='D-Rey' timestamp='1324271236' post='912490']
he had no pocket all night. And then WR were covered well all night. If you actually watch the coverage instead of assuming you would see it. It is plausible. Flacco was getting frustrated from having no time and having to check down
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you cant see the coverage because it is not shown on the screen. so your telling me that there werent receivers open the entire game? the reason rivers had more success than flacco tonight is because he got the ball out of his hands much quicker

[Trilogique]

[quote name='stopsizzle555' timestamp='1324278055' post='912749']
you cant see the coverage because it is not shown on the screen. so your telling me that there werent receivers open the entire game? the reason rivers had more success than flacco tonight is because he got the ball out of his hands much quicker
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Good coverage, bad pocket, Flacco sucking - it's all wrong. [i]Everyone[/i] played like crap. Just so happened our D looked worse than our O.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1324271249' post='912492']

I think moreso out of Cary Williams
[/quote]
This it wasnt just Jimmy. Cary got picked on repeatedly as well. The complete lack of pass-rush didnt help. Just not a good night for the defense.

[arnie_uk]

We were outcoached, look at Smiths TDs, why the hell didnt Cam do that more often, clear out and have someone across the middle, we done it right at the start and boldin caught one for about 30, thats how you beat the zone, you take the safteys deep and have a speedy guy or a big te coming late across the middle, behind the LBs where the saftys should be... we done it twice all game. i cant get on him for stopping the run, he had to kind off.

Norv turner called a great game, i hope he gets fired, i want him instead of cam, he ran screens, and wr reverse early which slowed our pass rush, he had two tes, chipping then a tackle cleaning up on our edge rushers, he called plays with double moves on aggressive corners, he had motions to see if its man v zone and ifs it man, he ran corner posts were only the wr can make the plays. He outcoached pags, great playing calling really helped the chargers, as well as great execution and bad execution on our part.

Also John Harbugh and clock management is a damn joke, 1.40secs left in the 1st, 2nd goal form our one and he lets the clock go down, when san diego are getting the ball to start the 2nd half. When your coach isnt leading by example and shwoing he wants to win, god knows hoe the players are going expect to win. It was almost as though everyone thought, were in the playoffs, we done our job, and it starts with harbugh

[SouthsideNCRavens]

The only pride I have in this loss is that we got beat, instead of beating ourselves. At least we're being honest to ourselves now. Somewhat.

[Tank 92]

Can't blame this one on the coaches, unless you are talking about Norv. The screens and designed check offs at the beginning set us up and he and Rivers were on J. Smith like white on rice. And you've got to give it to the bolts D as well. They smelled blood in the water and played lights out. I'm just thankful that this was not a Festivus game.

[ravensdfan]

I guess I've hit the denial stage this morning perhaps. It did occur to me that they know Cam well in SD and little bro' might know Chuck too well. We all know Cam can't adjust his hat if it falls crooked so our poor offense was screwed from the start and Chuck was very vanilla last night as well. I thought we'd re-hired Mattison. It still comes down to adjustments for me. I didn't see us try anything different in the 2nd half to try to quell the storm.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1324270345' post='912402']
they don't put jimmy in press coverage.....see andy reid on philly and how asomuga has been uneffective all season. gotta use a corner's strenghts.
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I agree. The game reminded me of some of the old Rex Ryan blowout games where he refused to make adjustments. At halftime Pagano should have realized that our CB's could not hold up in man coverage. He should have shifted to a cover 2 and taken our chances that way.

We were a missed FG and yet another opponent fumble we were unable to recover away from getting out to a nice lead. We needed to slow the game down but instead we kept playing the same defense and giving up one big play after another.

[Mr. GM]

"ADJUSTMENTS" thats what this game came down to, its just that simple. That Ravens did not make ANY adjustments and the Chargers did. It was brilliant how the Chargers had TE McMichaels chip blocking Suggs all night. It was brilliant how P. Rivers so single coverage and TRUSTED his receivers to make the PLAY. Flacco DOES NOT believe in his receivers can make the play, so he dumps it off to R. Rice every single play. Thats why Rice leads the league in yards from scrimmage and our WR/TE never have any stats to speak of. Im not knocking Rice, but Flacco has to thrown the ball up like he did in the St. Louis game. JUST THROW THE BALL FLACCO!

[BenDufusberger]

I think when Pagano is interviewed this week , he'll accept the burden of responsibility for a poor game plan , and not try to put all the blame on poor execution by the players. Both factors played a role , and he will man-up to his culpability , as always.

I wanted this to be the game that showed we could shut down a high-powered passing attack , but even though we failed at that , at least with Pags I have confidence that this learning experience will result in changes that make us better the next time we face someone like Rivers. I don't have that same confidence about the offense under Cam's direction.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

We were outcoached and outplayed by a team that is much better than its record would indicate. The loss was a team effort. With the exception of Ayanbadejo, our Special Teams are terrible. Wasn't John Harbaugh a Special Teams Coach? All three phases of our game stunk last night but the Special Teams effort was by far the worst. It was evident that the coaches had no confidence in David Reed since they waited until the game was out of hand to put him back in the game. If his confidence wasn't already destroyed, that coaching decision will complete the job. Hopefully, every member of the team will do some serious introspection between now and Saturday's game because we must play much better to win out now. The main responsibility of a Head Coach is to give his team a chance to win the game. Harbaugh failed to do that. The Chargers scored enough points in the 1st half to secure the victory w/o scoring in the 2nd half. Bring in Shane Graham right now and sign him to a temporary contract. It seems like the players are telling the coaches what to do rather than the other way around. Where is Derrick Mason when you need him? Everyone on the team, including Ozzie Newsome, deserve some of the credit for our losses and the blame game is not healthy. Everyone can play better on offense and on defense. Hopefully, we will take care of business and win our next two games to assure a 1st round bye in the playoffs. However, if we do not change our offensive tactics and strategy, it won't matter. I'd sure like to see someone volunteer to run a crossing pattern now and then to get some YAC. If our WRs are as fast as advertised, that should open up a lot of passes underneath the zone. [u]Bottom line[/u]: Our team is good enough to get to the SB but it will not unless someone lights a fire under both of our two coordinators. Their performance was at best below par. The good news is that we won't have to face D & O coordinators like Tom Landry and Vince Lombardi as the Baltimore Colts had to face in the 1958 Championship game. If we don't get a 1st round bye now after the early Christmas present Jim Harbaugh gave his older brother last night, we don't deserve a trip to the SB. One of the things I saw tonight on the faces of several 49ers was intensity. Its been missing on some of our players faces lately. If we are just content to make the playoffs, then congrats! We made it. Its time for this team to make more progress and to seal the deal.

[D_UP]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1324269775' post='912323']
Turner made an example out of Jimmy Smith tonight.
[/quote]As mama like to say ain't no sense like bought sense. It will make Jimmy work harder and not just rely on ability.

[Jerseyraven52205527]

We got outcoached, again!!!!!!!