Wr And Passing Game...

[Mr. GM]

I say let Boldin play his contract out as a Raven but from here on out use him exclusively in the slot. Id rather see Pitta or Dickson play on the outside lined up as wide receiver, that would be the Ravens version of Vincent Jackson and Malcom Floyd. If that were Pitta instead of Evans on that deep throw that was an int, Pitta would have the talent to actually jump for the ball and gotten Joe his 3rd td of the night.

Joe Flacco is a pretty good qb, just imagine if he had a Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones. Heck look at what Andy Dalton is doing with all those 6'3"+ receivers or Matt Ryan and his wr core. This draft the Ravens should try something similiar to what the Falcons did last draft and get that dynamic wr.

Torrey smith = Roddy white
Lee evans = Hugh douglas
Pitta/Dickson = Gonzalez
??? = Julio jones

[CorvusCorax]

At this point we should probably look to trade up for a key offensive playmaker.

[latenighthero]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1324830448' post='922385']
At this point we should probably look to trade up for a key offensive playmaker.
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The trade deadline has passed unfortunately. We could pickup a player on waivers like D. Mase but we can't make a trade at this point.

[Fricknmaniac]

[quote name='latenighthero' timestamp='1324832982' post='922416']
The trade deadline has passed unfortunately. We could pickup a player on waivers like D. Mase but we can't make a trade at this point.
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I think he meant trade up in the draft.

[canuck2002]

Guess I'm in the minority but I think our receivers are plenty good enough. I was always taught it's not how far you can throw the ball but when you throw the ball. I find Joe is most often late on his throws especially the long ones. He has the arm to throw the ball but he needs to let it go earlier so his receivers can run under it not wait for it.

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='Fricknmaniac' timestamp='1324834029' post='922430']

I think he meant trade up in the draft.
[/quote]

Yeah I meant in the 2012 draft.

[Ed_Reed20]

Saw some pretty telling stats on the passing game in [url="http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-1226-20111225,0,7744642.story"]this KVV article[/url] on the Sun's site.

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[color=#292727][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3][left]According to the Elias Sports Bureau, when the Ravens have had a lead, Flacco has completed 112 of 212 passes (52.8 percent) for 1,426 yards, seven touchdowns and five interceptions. When the Ravens have trailed, he has completed 120 of-198 passes (60.6 percent) for 1,241 yards, seven touchdowns and six interceptions. With the game tied, a scenario that occurs most often in the first quarter, he has completed 65 of 113 passes (57.5 percent) for 813 yards, five touchdowns and only one interception.[/left][/size][/font][/color]

[color=#292727][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3][left]Flacco is completing just 39.6 percent of his passes (21 of 53 for 154 yards) inside the opponent's 20-yard line. He has, however, protected the ball well, throwing for 10 touchdowns without a single interception.[/left][/size][/font][/color]
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The numbers aren't all that surprising, but what I found interesting was Joe having more passing attempts when the team is in the lead.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1324870919' post='922875']
Saw some pretty telling stats on the passing game in [url="http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-1226-20111225,0,7744642.story"]this KVV article[/url] on the Sun's site.

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The numbers aren't all that surprising, but what I found interesting was Joe having more passing attempts when the team is in the lead.
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I don't think so, we've been in the lead more than not, so it's natural that he'd have more passing attempts while leading than losing.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1324870919' post='922875']
Saw some pretty telling stats on the passing game in [url="http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-1226-20111225,0,7744642.story"]this KVV article[/url] on the Sun's site.

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The numbers aren't all that surprising, but what I found interesting was Joe having more passing attempts when the team is in the lead.
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What type of attempts are they? What's the distance? Because I'm willing to bet if you check, Flacco is throwing a lot more deep passes than he ever has before. I bet his stats are in part being skewed by all the incomplete deep attempts.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1324871829' post='922886']

What type of attempts are they? What's the distance? Because I'm willing to bet if you check, Flacco is throwing a lot more deep passes than he ever has before. I bet his stats are in part being skewed by all the incomplete deep attempts.
[/quote]

They're the lowest percentage of completion pass you can attempt, yet we do it on 3rd and 5 and etc consistently. Makes you scratch your head.

I like how 3 or however many weeks ago I made a thread about our receivers saying they weren't really getting open or being used properly over the middle, and everyone said they were happy with out WR situation lol...Smith is great, but he's young, Evans is disappointing, Boldin is a stud but not a true number 1. And they're all utilized improperly. And thus, they don't really get much separation and when they do, they're young and drop a lot of those balls. Flacco can play better for sure, but anyone who thinks we're making excuses every year about his receiving core not being very helpful is just a hater, because it's obviously true.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1325007755' post='924136']

They're the lowest percentage of completion pass you can attempt, yet we do it on 3rd and 5 and etc consistently. Makes you scratch your head.

I like how 3 or however many weeks ago I made a thread about our receivers saying they weren't really getting open or being used properly over the middle, and everyone said they were happy with out WR situation lol...Smith is great, but he's young, Evans is disappointing, Boldin is a stud but not a true number 1. And they're all utilized improperly. And thus, they don't really get much separation and when they do, they're young and drop a lot of those balls. Flacco can play better for sure, but anyone who thinks we're making excuses every year about his receiving core not being very helpful is just a hater, because it's obviously true.
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Undoubtedly. Q is not being used the way he should, and for that matter Torrey is doing things he never did in college. Flacco has more trust in Pitta than Dickson, but Dickson is on the field more. Doss supposedly has some of the best hands on the team, are they trying to tell us he hasn't learned how to run a single NFL route yet? We have decent personnel - pretty good I'd say, aside from the fact that a lot of them are inexperienced - I just don't think they're being used properly at all, and it seems like a lot of players agree.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='Mr. GM' timestamp='1324824641' post='922325']
I say let Boldin play his contract out as a Raven but from here on out use him exclusively in the slot. Id rather see Pitta or Dickson play on the outside lined up as wide receiver, that would be the Ravens version of Vincent Jackson and Malcom Floyd. If that were Pitta instead of Evans on that deep throw that was an int, Pitta would have the talent to actually jump for the ball and gotten Joe his 3rd td of the night.

Joe Flacco is a pretty good qb, just imagine if he had a Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones. Heck look at what Andy Dalton is doing with all those 6'3"+ receivers or Matt Ryan and his wr core. This draft the Ravens should try something similiar to what the Falcons did last draft and get that dynamic wr.

Torrey smith = Roddy white
Lee evans = Hugh douglas
Pitta/Dickson = Gonzalez
??? = Julio jones
[/quote]

[b]First it's... they have no receivers.[/b]

[i]RAVENS GET BOLDIN.[/i]

[b]Then it's... they have no speed receivers.[/b]

[i]RAVENS GET TORREY SMITH.[/i]

[b]Now it's... no dynamic receivers.[/b]

[b]So, if the Ravens pull off a miracle and trade up to draft Justin Blackmon... what will the excuses be?[/b]

[i]The Ravens receivers are just... too good. We need less-talented receivers???[/i]

[1/28/01]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1325022423' post='924447']

[b]First it's... they have no receivers.[/b]

[i]RAVENS GET BOLDIN.[/i]

[b]Then it's... they have no speed receivers.[/b]

[i]RAVENS GET TORREY SMITH.[/i]

[b]Now it's... no dynamic receivers.[/b]

[b]So, if the Ravens pull off a miracle and trade up to draft Justin Blackmon... what will the excuses be?[/b]

[i]The Ravens receivers are just... too good.  We need less-talented receivers???[/i]
[/quote]
Troy is boss!!!

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325023363' post='924469']
Troy is boss!!!
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I've noticed something wierd and I wonder if others here have as well. You know those ads on webpages that companies tailor to your interests by gleaning info from cookies ? Well , I've been seeing all these ads that say : " Get the latest news on Troy Smith , here !! "

LOL. I don't understand it , because on the list of things I have an interest in , Troy Smith would be dead last.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1325022423' post='924447']

[b]First it's... they have no receivers.[/b]

[i]RAVENS GET BOLDIN.[/i]

[b]Then it's... they have no speed receivers.[/b]

[i]RAVENS GET TORREY SMITH.[/i]

[b]Now it's... no dynamic receivers.[/b]

[b]So, if the Ravens pull off a miracle and trade up to draft Justin Blackmon... what will the excuses be?[/b]

[i]The Ravens receivers are just... too good. We need less-talented receivers???[/i]
[/quote]

Idk... what are your excuses for the way Flacco shredded the Steelers week 1, or led the comeback drive in Pittsburgh, or led the largest comeback in Ravens history against the Cardinals despite 3 dropped TD passes, or had a passer rating of 100 against the top ranked passing defense in the league?

[Reed the Raven]

What the front office needs to do is stop relying on mid-round picks to get Wide Receivers and draft a stud. Every elite team has a stud wide receiver or multiple receivers. The Patriots have Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. The Steelers have Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders. The Packers have Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Jermichael Finley and more. The Saints have Jimmy Graham, Lance Moore, Marques Colston and Darren Sproles. The Lions have Calvin Johnson (that is all you need, he ALWAYS gets open) and more. Torrey Smith is hot and cold and sometimes even inconsistent. Anquan Boldin gets double-teamed still and sometimes is inconsistent. I want Alshon Jeffery or Michael Floyd next season and a new Offensive Coordinator and we'll finally be able to gauge this offense.

The only time Anquan Boldin played amazing was alongside the best Wide Receiver in my opinion. I don't think he is capable of being a #1 guy, just one of the best #2 guys in the league.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Reed the Raven' timestamp='1325057200' post='924912']
What the front office needs to do is stop relying on mid-round picks to get Wide Receivers and draft a stud. Every elite team has a stud wide receiver or multiple receivers. The Patriots have Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. The Steelers have Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders. The Packers have Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Jermichael Finley and more. The Saints have Jimmy Graham, Lance Moore, Marques Colston and Darren Sproles. The Lions have Calvin Johnson (that is all you need, he ALWAYS gets open) and more. Torrey Smith is hot and cold and sometimes even inconsistent. Anquan Boldin gets double-teamed still and sometimes is inconsistent. I want Alshon Jeffery or Michael Floyd next season and a new Offensive Coordinator and we'll finally be able to gauge this offense.

The only time Anquan Boldin played amazing was alongside the best Wide Receiver in my opinion. I don't think he is capable of being a #1 guy, just one of the best #2 guys in the league.
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In Boldins defense, he had an insane rookie year without Fitz. Just sayin'...

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325080220' post='924987']
In Boldins defense, he had an insane rookie year without Fitz. Just sayin'...
[/quote]

Sadly, he's just not the same guy. When he first came into the league, nobody could flat out tackle him. He ran right through guys like they weren't even there. He can still break tackles with the best in the league, but he's just not[i] that [/i]guy anymore.

[PaintinPGPurple]

[quote name='Reed the Raven' timestamp='1325057200' post='924912']
What the front office needs to do is stop relying on mid-round picks to get Wide Receivers and draft a stud. Every elite team has a stud wide receiver or multiple receivers. The Patriots have Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. The Steelers have Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders. The Packers have Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Jermichael Finley and more. The Saints have Jimmy Graham, Lance Moore, Marques Colston and Darren Sproles. The Lions have Calvin Johnson (that is all you need, he ALWAYS gets open) and more. Torrey Smith is hot and cold and sometimes even inconsistent. Anquan Boldin gets double-teamed still and sometimes is inconsistent. I want Alshon Jeffery or Michael Floyd next season and a new Offensive Coordinator and we'll finally be able to gauge this offense.

The only time Anquan Boldin played amazing was alongside the best Wide Receiver in my opinion. I don't think he is capable of being a #1 guy, just one of the best #2 guys in the league.
[/quote]Agreed, mid round guys or past their prime vets. We need to get that explosive 6'3-6'5 stud in the draft or go spend money in Free Agency.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1325081462' post='925003']

Sadly, he's just not the same guy.  When he first came into the league, nobody could flat out tackle him.  He ran right through guys like they weren't even there.  He can still break tackles with the best in the league, but he's just not[i] that [/i]guy anymore.
[/quote]
I agree....just pointing out that he didn't need Fitz on the other side. He was a beast before him and I don't believe he gets the proper recognition he deserves.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1325022423' post='924447']

[b]First it's... they have no receivers.[/b]

[i]RAVENS GET BOLDIN.[/i]

[b]Then it's... they have no speed receivers.[/b]

[i]RAVENS GET TORREY SMITH.[/i]

[b]Now it's... no dynamic receivers.[/b]

[b]So, if the Ravens pull off a miracle and trade up to draft Justin Blackmon... what will the excuses be?[/b]

[i]The Ravens receivers are just... too good. We need less-talented receivers???[/i]
[/quote]

OK dude...I don't know why I'm wasting my time with this, but I am going to try and get you to see reason.

First of all, no one here is saying Flacco is a great quarterback. We all pretty much accept he is a good quarterback, who can shine at moments and fall short in others. What we are saying is that we're lucky to have someone as skilled as him, because winning quarterbacks are hard to come by. So rather than trashing him and searching for the next Johnny Unitas, we're expressing our beliefs on what should be done to help Flacco succeed. We can win a Superbowl with him, but we have to play with his strengths, and his offense's strengths. And we see things in the offense that keep Flacco from playing at his best. He is not Aaron Rodgers, or an elite quarterback who can consistently play at a high level on his own despite any circumstance. Only Brady, Rodgers, Brees, maybe Big Ben, and Payton Manning healthy can fit that group, and even most of those guys have off days (just not as many). But, Flacco can win, he's shown that. So why can't you support him, and criticize fairly, and try to offer your own perspective on how we can better open up the offense? To me, Flacco is someone with a big arm, who is also fairly mobile. If you keep him upright, he can play well as anybody. Now, I haven't seen enough examples of him successfully calling an audible, so I don't know if you can say he should be calling the shots. Of course, his hands might be tied on what plays he can change to, but if that's the case he should grow a pair and just do it anyway, or make hand motions with his receivers to change routes or something of that nature. Regardless, Flacco or Cam need to be responsible for better play calling. Too many times we are going for bombs at inappropriate times, like 3rd and 5, or when they are playing back. Ray Rice sometimes isn't given enough carries, which is crucial to our offense's design. We also don't seem to put our personnel in positions to succeed. Boldin running deep, useless end arounds, running in the same direction with the same blocking scheme repeatedly, Flacco dropping back to pass in PA when the run hasn't been established, and no creativity when the game plan doesn't go well. That is why we complain about Flacco not audibling and Cam's play-calling. Flacco can do a better job for sure in decision making, but often he isn't put in good situations to play with his strengths and in appropriate game planned situations. Also, we criticize the receivers for dropping passes, and being young and making rookie mistakes. Boldin doesn't make huge impacts because he is often covered and drops a good amount of balls. Evans has been absent and doesn't seem to trust his ankle yet. Smith is great, but he is young and will still be learning. For sure, we have much better receiver depth than we've ever had. But the youth and inconsistency, aligned with the play-calling and the honest truth that Flacco is a good but not great quarterback, we wish we had someone like an Andre Johnson or AJ Green that can help a young or good but not great quarterback (Dalton and Schuab respectively) have more success. So instead of mocking, sneering, and calling us homers, see Flacco and us for what we are, and be a productive member of this forum, please.

92 yards in 2 minutes against arguably the best defense in the league, doesn't happen by a bad quarterback. I know Flacco is good enough to win a Superbowl as well. He might even become a top 5 quarterback later in his career if we help him now. I wish we had a Brees, Rodgers, or Brady, but we don't. We have a Flacco, and we're pretty lucky to have one if you ask me, based upon the other quarterbacks we've had and how that proves that it's hard to find a quality quarterback in this league, which is what Flacco is.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1324870919' post='922875']
Saw some pretty telling stats on the passing game in [url="http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-1226-20111225,0,7744642.story"]this KVV article[/url] on the Sun's site.

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The numbers aren't all that surprising, but what I found interesting was Joe having more passing attempts when the team is in the lead.
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Which was very apparent last week with Cleveland. Why the hell are you throwing 30-40 yard bombs with a 20 point lead in the third quarter? Clock management and playcalling have been absolutely atrocious in many of our games this year.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='Reed the Raven' timestamp='1325057200' post='924912']
What the front office needs to do is stop relying on mid-round picks to get Wide Receivers and draft a stud. Every elite team has a stud wide receiver or multiple receivers. The Patriots have Wes Welker, Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. The Steelers have Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders. The Packers have Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Jermichael Finley and more. The Saints have Jimmy Graham, Lance Moore, Marques Colston and Darren Sproles. The Lions have Calvin Johnson (that is all you need, he ALWAYS gets open) and more. Torrey Smith is hot and cold and sometimes even inconsistent. Anquan Boldin gets double-teamed still and sometimes is inconsistent. I want Alshon Jeffery or Michael Floyd next season and a new Offensive Coordinator and we'll finally be able to gauge this offense.

The only time Anquan Boldin played amazing was alongside the best Wide Receiver in my opinion. I don't think he is capable of being a #1 guy, just one of the best #2 guys in the league.
[/quote]

You do realize that most of the recievers you posted as examples were mid round draft pics don't you?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='dirtybird10' timestamp='1325094498' post='925127']

You do realize that most of the recievers you posted as examples were mid round draft pics don't you?
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Yeah, I thought that was hilarious myself

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1325094618' post='925128']
Yeah, I thought that was hilarious myself [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img] [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img] [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img]
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LOL glad someone else caught that.



and by most I mean almost every single one of them. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]

[CapoRocky]

We just need to catch the balls thrown to our receivers. If not, then I think the NFL needs to bring back stick-um. LOL.
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[Guest RBates]

[quote name='dirtybird10' timestamp='1325094142' post='925123']
Which was very apparent last week with Cleveland. Why the hell are you throwing 30-40 yard bombs with a 20 point lead in the third quarter?[b] Clock management and playcalling have been absolutely atrocious in many of our games this year.[/b]
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+1 im glad someone else is seeing it. Horrible

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='dirtybird10' timestamp='1325094142' post='925123']
Which was very apparent last week with Cleveland. Why the hell are you throwing 30-40 yard bombs with a 20 point lead in the third quarter? Clock management and playcalling have been absolutely atrocious in many of our games this year.
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This is a product of Cam trying to hard to prove Flacco's worth to the team. Instead of letting him play fun football and letting the chips fall where they may.

[Militant X 1]

our boys MUST make plays for Joe today!

~Mili