Wr And Passing Game...

[PaintinPGPurple]

Is it me or does it seem like outside or Torrey, Ray Rice and the TEs, we have no playmakers in the passing game? It seems like Q just vanishes for long stretches and Lee Evans does nothing. Is it time for another reciever in the draft or free agency? Is it that Q is not getting separation or that Flacco is afraid to force balls into tight spaces? I'm outta answers at this point.

[Sizzlebshu]

No I agree here. Boldin and Evans just cant get the separation needed to make the easy catch. Evans was suppose to be a speedster that could lose his corner and draw in extra coverage opening up the field for gains over the middle but that didnt happen. Boldin is getting separation less and less now. Smith is arguably the lone bright spot in the offense who is growing still and will be plagued by rookie mistakes ie dropped passes. As many issues as we have with this team, I think the biggest one is not having a young complete receiver on the team and we need to address this in the draft. We need a guy like A.J. Green out of the draft (using him as a recent example of a complete receiver coming out of the draft) who can get free and make the tough catches (as good as torrey is he wont be the physical guy going up and fighting for balls). Without a guy like this I dont think the ravens will ever have the dimension to the offense that they need in order to reach their true potential.

But again I will say that we can't blame flacco and the wr's for tonights performance as the defense was just completely annihilated with rivers picking on Jimmy Smith all game.

[PaintinPGPurple]

Exactly. I been saying this for a min. We need a cat like Dwayne Bowe on the other side of Torrey. Q could be the 3rd down guy.

[Mount-Cody]

I think it's time to give Does a try. Hey we gave Laquan and Tyrod a taste at the NFL, why not Doss, what's the worst that could happen.

[jdynamite]

It seems to me every game. Boldin has 1 play called for him in which he lines up in the slot goes into motion then makes a big catch over 20 yds in middle of field. Then for rest of the game he is playing outside getting jammed and held without a catch.......
Kurt Warner said weeks ago after Seattle game that Boldin can be best utilized from the slot. And yet we don't do this as if it would be wrong Wes Welker gets 100 catches from the. Slot position.

Lee Evans problem is that he doesnt attack the football he waits for it to come to him while. The defenders are going after it.

We don't use the TEs creatively either. I mean out TEs are athletic enough to accomplish things like other TEs in the league and create mismatches.

Down by 3 Tds it's a shame that. Every pass had to be checked down into a screen because all thee WRs run the same. Routes.

[reediddy]

[quote name='PaintinPGPurple' timestamp='1324270563' post='912426']
Exactly. I been saying this for a min. We need a cat like Dwayne Bowe on the other side of Torrey. Q could be the 3rd down guy.
[/quote]

Can you imagine? That'd be a godsend! Boldin's success relies on somebody on the opposite side taking away pressure it seems (Fitzy) and currently there is no one like that on this roster

[Ed_Reed20]

To be fair to Evans, Joe missed him on potential TD on the first drive. And Flacco should have hit Q earlier in the drive too.

But to answer the first question, the team really doesn't have playmakers outside of Rice, Torrey and the TEs. Against Arizona's inexperienced rookie CBs, Q looked like an All-Pro but he hasn't been able to consistently beat man coverage going back to last year. I don't know how many snaps Evans plays, but the passing game isn't nearly efficient enough to take advantage of the times he gets open. Part of that is on Joe and also Cam.

[Radinho84]

flacco had some really bed throws that game. it is still a work in progress. i expected him to have much better numbers this year as we are really open things up for him. he has to get better in every phase of his game. just like everybody on the team.

but it isn´t all bad. we played on the road against one of the best teams in this time of the year and lost bad. those days happen. the good thing is that we can win our next games and go to the playoffs the forth time in the row.

if we are meant to win the sb this year we will find a way to win on the road during the playoffs. if not- well then let´s try it next year...

[arnie_uk]

Draft Flloyd... he will fall to about mid 20s, do whatever we can to trade up, give up our first, carr, fox, heck lee evans too lol

[True]

I just don't get why Anquan Boldin becomes non-factors for long stretches of time. He got paid 8 million a year to be a #1 and I haven't seen it. He has to be more integrated into the offense.

[tws5d]

To me it feels like Joe just doesn't have enough time to throw/check all his WRs, or they just don't get open. I know one of the biggest criticisms of Cam is that he is unimaginative, so if the WRs are just running the same routes, and Joe has no time, he has to check it down. Or Cam just doesn't trust Joe yet and calls plays where he ultimately has to check down to rice.

I think it's some combo of predictable play calling, lack of time in the pocket, and receivers not getting open. Q is a great receiver and has the potential to be huge in games, but I don't think Cam is utilizing him properly IMO.

[PaintinPGPurple]

[quote name='tws5d' timestamp='1324303066' post='913016']
To me it feels like Joe just doesn't have enough time to throw/check all his WRs, or they just don't get open. I know one of the biggest criticisms of Cam is that he is unimaginative, so if the WRs are just running the same routes, and Joe has no time, he has to check it down. Or Cam just doesn't trust Joe yet and calls plays where he ultimately has to check down to rice.

I think it's some combo of predictable play calling, lack of time in the pocket, and receivers not getting open. Q is a great receiver and has the potential to be huge in games, but I don't think Cam is utilizing him properly IMO.
[/quote]I've seen Cam sending him on quick slants, drag routes etc this year. That's how he should be used. He's had some terrible drops this year that could've went for huge gains. Other times though, he vanishes for whole quarters which why I think we need a tall, fast reciever similar to A.J. Green because it seems like besides Torrey, no one is afraid of our wideouts as they are often eliminates from games rather easily.

[grantkyle2003]

I could see last night that joe didnt seem to trust his ability to throw the deep shot. He seemed hesistant on most passing attempts. When your down like that you need to take chances. Atleast say you tried.

Run the ball when your up or the first half when its close. Throw effectively when you need to play catch up. The offense just looked tired and uninterested last night and like you guys said Bolding just seems to disappear at times. I think that goes back to cam, he has to as the OC put our recievers in the best positions to make plays and do some damage. His play calling involving routes just doesnt inspire much.

[Token]

I've been saying all year that if Floyd falls to us, we should take him. Especially if Vontaze follows Te'o and goes back to school.

[Mr. GM]

"ADJUSTMENTS" thats what this game came down to, its just that simple. That Ravens did not make ANY adjustments and the Chargers did. It was brilliant how the Chargers had TE McMichaels chip blocking Suggs all night. It was brilliant how P. Rivers so single coverage and TRUSTED his receivers to make the PLAY. Flacco DOES NOT believe in his receivers can make the play, so he dumps it off to R. Rice every single play. Thats why Rice leads the league in yards from scrimmage and our WR/TE never have any stats to speak of. Im not knocking Rice, but Flacco has to thrown the ball up like he did in the St. Louis game. JUST THROW THE BALL FLACCO!

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='PaintinPGPurple' timestamp='1324270563' post='912426']
Exactly. I been saying this for a min. We need a cat like Dwayne Bowe on the other side of Torrey. Q could be the 3rd down guy.
[/quote]

Yeah, we need a kenny britt.

Maybe doss can develop into that type of player. But we need a true blue #1 guy.

[PaintinPGPurple]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1324307549' post='913183']


Yeah, we need a kenny britt.

Maybe doss can develop into that type of player. But we need a true blue #1 guy.
[/quote] I think its a big stretch to expect Doss to become that. I think if we're lucky he'll become something similar to a young Houshmanzadeh. A good possession receiver with good hands and can get you a lot of catches.

[AgBowler]

this is my take on the offensive passing game.

first of all i am extremely pleased with torrey smith the te's and ray rice but outside of that like stated previously we are anemic.

i personally think it all revolves around the play calling and ive been saying it since cam came into his position as the oc. when we try to pass the ball we are constantly running routes that have to develop 10-15 yards down the field and the way the pass rush has evolved in the last couple years you have absolutely no shot at making these completions. look how comfortable joe is when he knows a slant or a drag is coming across the field 3-5 steps and the ball is gone. when he has to wait for their routes to develop is when he stands there and hops around like a [profanity deleted] and gets sacked. our offense is not very creative at all boldin and smith are always lined up outside and our te's are always lined up next to the tackles its very easy for defenses to defend that. cam has to go bottom line end of story. i vote more drags more slants more quick passes and the occasional vertical pass to smith.

[Sam]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1324271173' post='912484']
It seems to me every game. Boldin has 1 play called for him in which he lines up in the slot goes into motion then makes a big catch over 20 yds in middle of field. Then for rest of the game he is playing outside getting jammed and held without a catch.......
Kurt Warner said weeks ago after Seattle game that Boldin can be best utilized from the slot. And yet we don't do this as if it would be wrong Wes Welker gets 100 catches from the. Slot position.

Lee Evans problem is that he doesnt attack the football he waits for it to come to him while. The defenders are going after it.

We don't use the TEs creatively either. I mean out TEs are athletic enough to accomplish things like other TEs in the league and create mismatches.

Down by 3 Tds it's a shame that. Every pass had to be checked down into a screen because all thee WRs run the same. Routes.
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Thjis would be a Cam iffue. He should have playes where Q is in the slot. Instead he is set in having him on the outside. So frustrating.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='PaintinPGPurple' timestamp='1324308503' post='913204']
I think its a big stretch to expect Doss to become that. I think if we're lucky he'll become something similar to a young Houshmanzadeh. A good possession receiver with good hands and can get you a lot of catches.
[/quote]

Agreed, the longer the season goes on the more I realize we need a number 1 receiver. shoulda drafted brandon marshall.

[arnie_uk]

the first drive of the game, cam needs to spread the offense out, go 3/4/5 wide, have quick routes 5/6 yards, and let joe get into a rythm. When joe starts well, hes hot the whole game, more often than not when he has a first drive like last night, under pressure, under throwing on deep routes, he can never get it together (arizona and a couple others being the exception).

Get joe comfortable and confidence up first drive

[PeRK82]

I cant believe im hearing this, you guys want to get rid of Boldin. Have you noticed that he makes plays early then disappears, maybe because they are D.Teaming him or just playing harder coverage (hard to tell when you cant see the whole field on tv) because they see what he does to other teams on game film.


If this was 300 , I would be kicking someone down the giant black hole right now,lol

[Gordo52]

Its cam camerons fault

[reediddy]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1324319775' post='913615']
I cant believe im hearing this, you guys want to get rid of Boldin. Have you noticed that he makes plays early then disappears, maybe because they are D.Teaming him or just playing harder coverage (hard to tell when you cant see the whole field on tv) because they see what he does to other teams on game film.


If this was 300 , I would be kicking someone down the giant black hole right now,lol
[/quote]

haha. Yeah this Boldin talk is premature. But it is true that he does not have the elite speed or quickness to get away from man coverage and especially double teams. He needs someone on the opposite side to relieve pressure, and we all thought it would be Evans who would provide that; sadly not the case.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1324319775' post='913615']
[b]I cant believe im hearing this, you guys want to get rid of Boldin. Have you noticed that he makes plays early then disappears, maybe because they are D.Teaming him or just playing harder coverage (hard to tell when you cant see the whole field on tv) because they see what he does to other teams on game film. [/b]


If this was 300 , I would be kicking someone down the giant black hole right now,lol
[/quote]

Wanting to get rid of Q is moronic. Part of his disappearing acts is play-calling and Joe not always getting the ball to him. He's also dropped his fair share of balls. But I don't think teams double him nearly as much as we like to believe. He's still a good WR but struggles against good CBs, even in single coverage.

[keebl3rs]

1. Let Boldin line up where ever he wants and run where ever he sees a hole in the defense.
2. Throw Boldin the ball.
3. ?????
4. Profit!

Huge, gaping holes in the middle of the field.. but we're running a skinny post or curl.

EDIT: Don't believe me? Check out the Takeo Spikes INT.. Not a Raven to be seen over the middle.

[PaintinPGPurple]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1324319775' post='913615']
I cant believe im hearing this, you guys want to get rid of Boldin. Have you noticed that he makes plays early then disappears, maybe because they are D.Teaming him or just playing harder coverage (hard to tell when you cant see the whole field on tv) because they see what he does to other teams on game film.

If this was 300 , I would be kicking someone down the giant black hole right now,lol
[/quote]

I wasnt saying get rid of Q, its just that we need to put him in the position where he can make plays. That is the slot, he was in the slot last night, but not getting much separation cuz they were rolling some of the coverages his way from what I could see both when he was inside and outside. We need to get another outside receiver who strikes fear in defenses because Lee Evans hasn't done that for us since week 1, whether its due to injuries or teams simply not being worried about him cuz hes lost his deep speed. I think we need someone opposite of Torrey who can run the entire route tree, is physical, tall and can consistently takes on double teams. That's a true number 1 in the vein of Andre Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Calvin Johnson, Kenny Britt, AJ Green, etc. Those cats can make all the catches, destroy secondaries in the redzone and go vertical on you if the situation calls for it. If we had that receiver, plus Torrey on the other side and Boldin in the slot, you'd Boldin torching teams.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1324320914' post='913647']
1. Let Boldin line up where ever he wants and run where ever he sees a hole in the defense.
2. Throw Boldin the ball.
3. ?????
4. Profit!

Huge, gaping holes in the middle of the field.. but we're running a skinny post or curl.

EDIT: Don't believe me? Check out the Takeo Spikes INT.. Not a Raven to be seen over the middle.
[/quote]


Your right, look at the TD Smith caught and ran it in for a T.D, in the middle of the field.

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1324321729' post='913680']


Your right, look at the TD Smith caught and ran it in for a T.D, in the middle of the field.
[/quote]

Makes me wonder why we don't do it more often. Although that was a garbage time TD against a zone.

[SideStep77]

I'd like us to get one more consistent receiver, the only consistent ones we really seem to have are Q and Torrey. Lee is slowly working his way up there but he has to be worked back into the offense after being out for so long. He had a perfect textbook catch against the colts with the ball already out of bounds but he leaned over and kept both feet in to make the catch. I think a consistent 3rd would be very nice to have in our arsenal. The #3 spot has always been up for grabs with Q2, Reed, Lee, and Doss at one point. A reliable 3rd WR would do wonders for us I think.