Jared Gaither, Antwan Barnes Of The Chargers

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[quote name='marylandmike12' timestamp='1324268356' post='912081']
only bad moves by ozzie
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I don't think you can chalk up those guys not being here solely to Ozzie. It was the coaches that had their differences with both of them. I can somewhat understand why Gaither left but how Barnes was handled just never made sense. Maybe he's matured since going to San Diego but it's fair to wonder why the Ravens never deployed him the way the Chargers are right now.

[Guest RBates]

Gaither got payed as a supplemental draft player, and was on top of his game a few years and we didn't pay him. End of story. Blame his work ethic all you like it has to be hard coming to work and everyone is getting paid more than you.

[H8R]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324316887' post='913523']
Gaither got payed as a supplemental draft player, and was on top of his game a few years and we didn't pay him. End of story. [b]Blame his work ethic all you like it has to be hard coming to work and everyone is getting paid more than you[/b].
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Are you apologizing for him? I'm not sure. He could have gotten PAID, Big Time if he could have stayed on the field.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1324317081' post='913528']

Are you apologizing for him? I'm not sure. He could have gotten PAID, Big Time if he could have stayed on the field.
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RT money or left tackle money?

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324268755' post='912165']
Some of you act like u are surprised. Gaither was a monster that we didn't wanna pay, so we blamed it on his work ethic. So quick question- How does his work ethic look now?
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Jared Gaither was cut by the hapless Chiefs for a reason -- and it's not as if beggars can be choosers when it comes to a team with as many woes as the Chiefs.

Yes, he played exceptionally well last night, but it's not as if he's suddenly an above-average LT because of one good game he's had all season.

[PuRock]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324316887' post='913523']
Gaither got payed as a supplemental draft player, and was on top of his game a few years and we didn't pay him. End of story. Blame his work ethic all you like it has to be [b]hard coming to work and everyone is getting paid more than you.[/b]
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Case in point. Just because you aren't getting paid doesn't mean you still can't play hard. He was on top of his game for 1 maybe 2 years.

Missed 5 games in 2009. Missed the entire season in 2010. On top of that. He went on his own weight schedule to try and dictate where he wanted to get played. So to say 'we just didn't pay' him is missing a lot of facts.

[arnie_uk]

i wanted him to stay (gaither) but i understood the decision, i wouldnt pay someone if i owned a business who may not show up to work and call in sick all year (which technically he done because no doctor found the reason for his nad back)... i would have loved him LT and oher RT. but i understood the business decision and it was the right one at the time. How would we have fared all season, up until the last three games, if we kept gaither. becuase its only the last 3 games hes got fit, and played well, he would have got ate alive against pitts, 49ers, etc etc. So it hasnt turned out to be a wrong decision yet.

Somehow i doubt he will resign with the chargers this year because they will ask him to go RT and he wants to play LT

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[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1324300432' post='912922']
We all knew that Jared, when motivated, could be a beast. Yesterday he just happened to be motivated to handle his prior team. [b]That was the only time all season he did anything for anyone.[/b] It won't last and we made the right decision to let him go. We need stability at the LT position and he would not/could not provide that.

Antawan was just a casuality of the numbers game. We had too many LBs and gave him an opportunity to succeed elsewhere. Teams can't keep everyone they bring to camp.
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I wouldn't say that. Gaither was apparently very good for the Bolts in the 2 prior weeks as well. John Harbaugh said he was wowed by the tape. Norv Turner even stated, "...he's kind of bailed us out. I don't know where we would have been without him. I don't think we would have won the last two games..."

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324316887' post='913523']
Gaither got payed as a supplemental draft player, and was on top of his game a few years and we didn't pay him. End of story. Blame his work ethic all you like it has to be hard coming to work and everyone is getting paid more than you.
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Haha, not even close to the end of the story. In fact, your story is very incomplete.

Yeah, it must be hard coming to work and getting paid a lot of money by the team that was willing to pay you the most money by drafting you highest in the supplemental draft, after you acted like an immature, lazy bum in college.

[Marc2k6]

Let's be honest here, Jared Gaither was good when he was here and our O-Line was solid. Did he lose his head or did the Ravens lose their heads trying to pull a Hollywood stunt on Gaither trying to slide him over to the right side of the line for Oher going along with the Hollywood The Blind Side hype. Gaither was not at all interested in moving to the right side and as we see it was an unwarranted move!

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1324317415' post='913545']
Jared Gaither was cut by the hapless Chiefs for a reason -- and it's not as if beggars can be choosers when it comes to a team with as many woes as the Chiefs.

Yes, he played exceptionally well last night, but it's not as if he's suddenly an above-average LT because of one good game he's had all season.
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You are right i will watch him for the rest of the season when it counts and see how he plays. I already know that he will play great, just need proof i guess.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1324317451' post='913548']

Case in point. Just because you aren't getting paid doesn't mean you still can't play hard. He was on top of his game for 1 maybe 2 years.

Missed 5 games in 2009. Missed the entire season in 2010. On top of that. He went on his own weight schedule to try and dictate where he wanted to get played. So to say 'we just didn't pay' him is missing a lot of facts.
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So then the facts are, he gets picked up out of the supplemental draft sidenote:( does any one know how much he was getting paid?) Has two great seasons. Missed 5 games in 09 and the entire 2010. Sounds just like Ben Grubbs to me ----minus the missing a whole year thing.

My point being, if we had taken care of him when we realized he could play at a high level, he would still be here. I don't even think Gaither made 1 million in three seasons. Then you bring in his replacement with big hype on him (The blind side) then ask him to switch to RT, so you can pay him less. Wow that is the exact reason he is playing for someone else. Did i miss anything?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1324324063' post='913736']

Haha, not even close to the end of the story. In fact, your story is very incomplete.

Yeah, it must be hard coming to work and getting paid a lot of money by the team that was willing to pay you the most money by drafting you highest in the supplemental draft, after you acted like an immature, lazy bum in college.
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So you pay him the highest salary out of the supplemental draft after he showed the team that he was lazy coming out of college.

How much did that set the team back 300,000 (guessing). Then he goes on to dominate 2 seasons for you, and he can't get paid a decent salary for his position. Wow

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324384655' post='915993']
So you pay him the highest salary out of the supplemental draft after he showed the team that he was lazy coming out of college.

How much did that set the team back 300,000 (guessing). Then he goes on to dominate 2 seasons for you, and he can't get paid a decent salary for his position. Wow
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Plenty of other players and 5th round draft picks outplay their rookie contracts. You don't see them playing the Drew Rosenhaus game and sitting out for a season and a half. And if his injury issues are real, then I'm glad we didn't pay him big money. Everyone who knew him said that he was not motivated the way that great players are. So who needs him.

We couldn't RELY on him. Left tackle is supposed to be a very stable position. It's so pathetic how one good game with the Chargers makes some people forget about that. The guy is just getting back from an "injury" that kept him out for a season and a half.

[PuRock]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324384655' post='915993']
So you pay him the highest salary out of the supplemental draft after he showed the team that he was lazy coming out of college.

How much did that set the team back 300,000 (guessing). Then he goes on to dominate 2 seasons for you, and he can't get paid a decent salary for his position. Wow
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So let me get this straight. You are jockeying for a guy that didn't want to play out his rookie contract because he should have gotten paid more. Sure. That sounds like a hell of a personality to have on the team.

Reality is, he was on a path to get a big pay day (either from us or another team). Had injuries missed time, didn't show desire to be a TEAM player. Kinda hard to have leverage in that situation. Went out in FA and found that nobody wanted what they thought was his market value.

Had to take a minimum contract again. Couldn't even stay on the field. Got cut.

Then he gets picked up by SD. Has a renaissance for three games. And now you are reflected that we should have paid him?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1324392967' post='916100']

So let me get this straight. You are jockeying for a guy that didn't want to play out his rookie contract because he should have gotten paid more. Sure. That sounds like a hell of a personality to have on the team.

Reality is, he was on a path to get a big pay day (either from us or another team). Had injuries missed time, didn't show desire to be a TEAM player. Kinda hard to have leverage in that situation. Went out in FA and found that nobody wanted what they thought was his market value.

Had to take a minimum contract again. Couldn't even stay on the field. Got cut.

Then he gets picked up by SD. Has a renaissance for three games. And now you are reflected that we should have paid him?
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I saying the guy got picked up in the supplemental draft. Rookies where coming in making more than him. That may have had something to do with the lack of work ethic. Long story short who really cares, he is a Charger, and our organization is having a hard time dealing with the mishandling of a couple good players. Better get it sorted out or Grubbs will be next. Flacco does not deserve big money, better spread that across the board.

[PuRock]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1324421437' post='916789']
[b]I saying the guy got picked up in the supplemental draft. Rookies where coming in making more than him. That may have had something to do with the lack of work ethic.[/b] Long story short who really cares, he is a Charger, and our organization is having a hard time dealing with the mishandling of a couple good players. Better get it sorted out or Grubbs will be next. Flacco does not deserve big money, better spread that across the board.
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Who's fault was that? We all make life choices that affect the pocketbook. Doesn't mean it gives you the right to let it affect your work ethic. He should be grateful that out of 32 teams, we elected to give gave him the opportunity. 31 other teams had a chance to select him. You play out your contract, you be a team player (which means switching sides), that's what you do.

That's the same sort of work ethic that gets a big contract and production drops off.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1324480264' post='917273']

Who's fault was that? We all make life choices that affect the pocketbook. Doesn't mean it gives you the right to let it affect your work ethic. He should be grateful that out of 32 teams, we elected to give gave him the opportunity. 31 other teams had a chance to select him. You play out your contract, you be a team player (which means switching sides), that's what you do.

That's the same sort of work ethic that gets a big contract and production drops off.
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I agree. I don't know why there are people here talking like the Ravens FO was blind. He was cut by Chiefs (of all teams) for a reason. He has only played 3 games with the Chargers. His motivation is high to prove he has worth. Add to that the motivation of playing the Ravens. I don't think there are enough games left in the season to really tell, but I'd be surprised if he maintains this level of play. His work ethic just seems lacking.