MERGED: Post Chargers Game Venom, Anger, Shock, Blame, Threads

[bmore187]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1324336029' post='914117']
I honestly wouldnt be disapointed if we actually tried last night. It looked like we didnt care, had no fire, if it would been a close game then ok no biggy, but after this hole day living in san diego and listening to all this coverage just makes me more mad. We could of had the number one seed finally, but i guess that wasnt enough to get them pumped up. It seems as if we arent at home, we show no fire and come out flat. Im not gonna sit her and say ench flacco fire this person...but i will say that this team cant expect to make noise on the road in the playoffs, we are a good team but we are way too inconsistent to be any kind of contender and i completely get why we never get credit, i was actually embarassed walking out of the chargers stadium last night, thanks
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where were your seats? I was sitting in the west plaza section by the endzone opposite of the jumbotron

[CapoRocky]

This was the worst game of the season on offense and defense.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1324336559' post='914135']
As for Joe and the INTs in that game. Yes, my first reaction was "what? what did you see there? ". But on the replay on the one, you could see he saw Evans and the other, he saw Rice. Both times the defensive player made a good break on the ball.[b] I can't fault him, I really can't.[/b] I saw his frustration. He'd look at Rice, look back downfield, look at Rice, he was trying to get the ball downfield so desperately because our D just wasn't getting it done.
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How can't you? I like Joe but those interceptions were as bad as it gets. The first one was just brutal. The only way he could have completed that pass to Evans is if Spikes had ducked or kept his hands down. And even though he was getting pressured on the second one, it was still a bad decision as Phillips had peeled off the lineman.

[chesapeakeaviator]

[quote name='MLGWL20' timestamp='1324336273' post='914127']

It seems to always happen like that, but I dont think so tonight. I think they will really struggle.
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If you are correct, I will be the happiest man on earth!

[Spuds]

Let's just face to facts. Until we get a Quarterback the likes of Brees, Brady, Rogers and Ryan we will be just above average and not great. When Harbaugh and Cam decide that putting up as many points as possible on offense is what is needed then we will win our division. Look at New England and Green Bay 26th and 27th respectively on "D" who just keep winning. We have a damn good offensive corp be we just cannot run the right plays. Such is life.

[CapoRocky]

Okay. Let's try this angle. The Ravens were winning the big games against the good teams and losing against the bad teams (except for the Rams). Now, the Ravens have lost to a pretty good team (regardless of the record) and they will knock the snot out of the Browns at home next Saturday. Unfortunately, we have to get ready for AJ Green and Gresham after that. The playoffs would be a lot more inviting if we tore up the Chargers last night. Now, we need to turn it around in a hurry and get ready. Find out why we can't string together another winning streak. Maybe, it was a mistake to sign Cundiff to 5 years. We may have been better off signing Graham to a short contract to secure him. I hope he gets his act together because there aren't many good kickers waiting in the wings.

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='BmoreInBmore' timestamp='1324278455' post='912753']
I have serious doubts as to whether this team can win a Superbowl with Joe Flacco
[/quote]Agreed. I was never a Flacco hater but the more I watch it seems like he doesn't have the football intelligence to be a top tier QB. I feel the Defense was the bigger factor THIS GAME, but Joe throwing that INT when we are down by only 10 points totally changed the momentum of this ball game. I think the reason Cam or anyone else in our organization doesn't give Flacco more freedom is because they feel he can't handle it. He isn't stellar in breaking down the defenses in the pre - snap, he lacks awareness in the pocket, he seems to at times to not pick up on the defensive audibles and throws these stupid INT'S with a guy right infront of his face!!!

I'm sorry, I'm tired of everyone defending this guy and making it out like everyone else is holding him back, and really it's just as much as his fault. I feel like all he will amount to is an average QB at best and with the talent on our team we truly deserve better. I say we bring in someone to give Joe competition and not let him feel so comfortable , as if he's the starter here regardless, this is the NFL your job is not guaranteed.

The teams' overall performance was horrible but I see threads ousting Ray Lewis and nothing on Flacco? that's ridiculous and that shows most of you are youngins, Ray was having a great year until he got injured. Wow, one game and let's bench him. Ray lead a good Defense before he was injured, Funny part is, I knew the Ray threads would be up before I even opened this site up, it's typical fans who are plain.......

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[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1324336029' post='914117']
I honestly wouldnt be disapointed if we actually tried last night. It looked like we didnt care, had no fire, if it would been a close game then ok no biggy, but after this hole day living in san diego and listening to all this coverage just makes me more mad. We could of had the number one seed finally, but i guess that wasnt enough to get them pumped up. It seems as if we arent at home, we show no fire and come out flat. Im not gonna sit her and say ench flacco fire this person...but i will say that this team cant expect to make noise on the road in the playoffs, we are a good team but we are way too inconsistent to be any kind of contender and i completely get why we never get credit, i was actually embarassed walking out of the chargers stadium last night, thanks
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This is exactly the same thing I said after sitting at the Seattle game. I wouldn't have been mad if they played, but I swear it was like they couldn't have cared less about being at that game. There was nothing there. Nothing. It was like a bunch of empty uniforms showed up and played. I don't get it. I really don't.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1324337795' post='914169']

How can't you? I like Joe but those interceptions were as bad as it gets. The first one was just brutal. The only way he could have completed that pass to Evans is if Spikes had ducked or kept his hands down. And even though he was getting pressured on the second one, it was still a bad decision as Phillips had peeled off the lineman.
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Joes explanation of the Spikes' interception made no sense to me. He saw him standing there. He knew exactly where he was and he says that Spikes looked like he hesitated and he thought he could get the ball around him. I watched that play 5 times on NFL network ... what hesitation? Spikes stood there the whole time reading Joe's eyes and as soon as he started to wind up, Spikes was moving the 3-4 feet to his right to catch it. That combined with something that Harbaugh said today makes me really wonder.

I hate picking words and meaning apart, but this has just stuck with me. On the QB play last night:

Part of the problem for the offense, Head Coach John Harbaugh said, was that Flacco didn’t have many open receivers.

“Joe didn’t have a lot of places to go with the ball [b]that were clear cut to him[/b],” Harbaugh said during Monday’s press conference. “They did a really nice job of covering. It was mostly zone coverage the whole game. And they just executed it very well.”

This is Harbaugh today after he had time to watch film. This is gnawing at me because I read it as there were places to go with the ball, but Joe just didn't recognize them. Otherwise, why phrase it like this?

Thoughts?

[EternalRavensDefense]

[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1324340982' post='914251']
Agreed. I was never a Flacco hater but the more I watch it seems like he doesn't have the football intelligence to be a top tier QB. I feel the Defense was the bigger factor THIS GAME, but Joe throwing that INT when we are down by only 10 points totally changed the momentum of this ball game. I think the reason Cam or anyone else in our organization doesn't give Flacco more freedom is because they feel he can't handle it. He isn't stellar in breaking down the defenses in the pre - snap, he lacks awareness in the pocket, he seems to at times to not pick up on the defensive audibles and throws these stupid INT'S with a guy right infront of his face!!!

I'm sorry, I'm tired of everyone defending this guy and making it out like everyone else is holding him back, and really it's just as much as his fault. I feel like all he will amount to is an average QB at best and with the talent on our team we truly deserve better. I say we bring in someone to give Joe competition and not let him feel so comfortable , as if he's the starter here regardless, this is the NFL your job is not guaranteed.

The teams' overall performance was horrible but I see threads ousting Ray Lewis and nothing on Flacco? that's ridiculous and that shows most of you are youngins, Ray was having a great year until he got injured. Wow, one game and let's bench him. Ray lead a good Defense before he was injured, Funny part is, I knew the Ray threads would be up before I even opened this site up, it's typical fans who are plain.......

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You do know that Flacco is always bashed after a loss and is the first person that people want gone. Flacco is always hated when we lose and fans have been asking for him to be cut after every loss for the last 4 years.

Beside, Flacco right now has the same overall quarterback rating 85.8 that both Brees and Rivers had with Cam.

He was progressing with an increasing touchdown and quarterback rating in 2008, 2009, and 2010 when he had Hue Jackson and Zorn as his quarterback coach. He has only regressed when Cam became his coach which speak to how bad Cam is when even Rivers and Brees have the same rating that Flacco does under Cam.

[BmoreRaised]

[quote name='EternalRavensDefense' timestamp='1324344045' post='914338']

You do know that Flacco is always bashed after a loss and is the first person that people want gone. Flacco is always hated when we lose and fans have been asking for him to be cut after every loss for the last 4 years.

Beside, Flacco right now has the same overall quarterback rating 85.8 that both Brees and Rivers had with Cam.

He was progressing with an increasing touchdown and quarterback rating in 2008, 2009, and 2010 when he had Hue Jackson and Zorn as his quarterback coach. He has only regressed when Cam became his coach which speak to how bad Cam is when even Rivers and Brees have the same rating that Flacco does under Cam.
[/quote] I see more fans with excuses for his poor play. The media hate for Flacco is obvious, so what? who cares about what they say? Again with the Cam Cameron excuses for Flacco's play. If you can't see the obvious and major flaws in Flaccos game, you must be wearing the all black homer shades.

Is Cam Cameron a good OC?no, but to make excuses after excuses is just annoying. Zorn and Hue did what for Flacco? Cam Cameron was still calling the plays?

Does Cam tell Joe to throw into bad situations?
Does Cam tell Joe to under throw and over throw receivers?

Flaccos INT when we were down by 10 points was huge and that has nothing to do with Cam or Zorn or Hue.

So was Cam responsible for Flacco's 7 to 9 bad passes last night? oh let me guess, the OL was bad, Joe was frustrated because Cam took away the running game, blah, blah

[frezeal33]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1324266200' post='911649']
I don't even know the last time we've been blown out like this. And during primetime! Could it be any worse?
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Yes it could. The Titans could have won and not let us clinch a playoff spot. Also, the Steelers could win. THAT'S how it could be worse.

[The Prestige]

It seems like there are a lot of conspiracy theories and myths about the Ravens, mostly on offense.

I'll contribute my own: we've heard Boldin talk about it, and even Cris Collinsworth, too. Joe needs to throw to Boldin, even when he isn't open. I've even heard Larry Fitzgerald on PFT talk about needing Kolb to do that more because "I'm not going get four or five yards ahead of a DB".

As for the myth that one of Flacco's interceptions changed the momentum: that's not possible. The Chargers had momentum for almost the whole game and, looking at the Seattle game, the Ravens had the personnel to match up against the Seahawks offense and hold them to field goals after turnovers.

It just seems like the Titans and Chargers have offensive lines that the Ravens defensive line can't shake.

[usmccharles]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1324337191' post='914152']


where were your seats? I was sitting in the west plaza section by the endzone opposite of the jumbotron
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View9 row 6
I love those seats, roughly on the 30yard line

[bmore187]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1324350814' post='914888']
View9 row 6
I love those seats, roughly on the 30yard line
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yeah my seats were awesome too bad the Ravens didnt show up

[jdynamite]

Something that shocked me also was that okay Suggs got chipped on almost every play, double teamed often too, but I was shocked that I never really noticed Kruger or McPhee getting QB pressures as I have become accustomed too in games.......... Sure they don't always complete the sack but I'm used to them providing pressure off edges.............

I thought that beat up O-line for chargers would surrender at least 3 sacks smh

[BmoreInBmore]

[quote name='ddtbalt' timestamp='1324320500' post='913628']

I agree 100%. By this time Joe should be more consistent in his play - I'm so tired of seeing this same pattern over and over again! My dog learns pretty quickly - why hasn't Joe learned more about leading a team to a real victory?
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This game was by no means Joe Flacco's fault, the defense was terrible and so was the special teams, however that being said, Joe did nothing to rectify the situation, and displayed to everyone how flawed his game really is.

He has no pocket presence at all, he holds on to the ball way to long (leads NFL in fumbles), his deep throw accuracy has been an issue this season, and he struggles so badly against zone defenses i.e. his first pick which was unbelievable, he starred down the mlb and than threw it directly to him. All game we saw Joe unable to read the defense and make throws, and do not tell me that all game our receivers couldn't get separation, they where playing zone almost all game so "separation" is a non factor. Joe lacks confidence and leadership, and from what I have seen this season he has taken a step backwards.

[codizzle]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1324392812' post='916096']
Something that shocked me also was that okay Suggs got chipped on almost every play, double teamed often too, but I was shocked that I never really noticed Kruger or McPhee getting QB pressures as I have become accustomed too in games.......... Sure they don't always complete the sack but I'm used to them providing pressure off edges.............

I thought that beat up O-line for chargers would surrender at least 3 sacks smh
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Kruger made it around the edge quite a few times but rivers would either step up or get rid of the ball quickly...
Just a great game by their oline and an amazing game by rivers

[cursona pirate]

blah blah cut Flacco blah balh can cam blah blah ray lewis sucks blah blah BLAHHHH!!

[Guest RBates]

Bring back Derrick Mason (Linus lost his blanket Charlie Brown).

[Militant X 1]

i'm not gonna lie...i was extremely pissed from that embarrasing beatdown our Ravens suffered at the hands of the chargers on Sunday nightt...in primetime! i was pissed for nearly 72hrs. forget that 24hr rule cause i had friends and family members to answer to after that game. they were looking for me! lol! that game was atrocious and left a psychological scar on me. but, my wife and i are still in Ft. Walton, FL and i've put that game behind me. i expect a great game from our Ravens this weekend. we fly back to VA on Saturday and arriving at the Norfolk airport, around 12p.m. my home is only a 15 min ride down the interstate from the airport into Chesapeake, so i will be home in time to catch the game.

LET'S GOOOO RAVENS!!

~Mili

[ravenanchors]

Alot of people have said that
The Ravens looked as if they didn't even try to win.
Thats the way it looked to me also.
It wasn't just one or two players,
The whole team including the coaches did not do their job.
That is the real reason. Maybe it was jet lag.
I understand the the NFL will limit the number of time zones a team has to cross to play.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='BmoreRaised' timestamp='1324344796' post='914367']
I see more fans with excuses for his poor play. The media hate for Flacco is obvious, so what? who cares about what they say? Again with the Cam Cameron excuses for Flacco's play. I[b]f you can't see the obvious and major flaws in Flaccos game, you must be wearing the all black homer shades.[/b]

Is Cam Cameron a good OC?no, but to make excuses after excuses is just annoying. Zorn and Hue did what for Flacco? Cam Cameron was still calling the plays?

Does Cam tell Joe to throw into bad situations?
Does Cam tell Joe to under throw and over throw receivers?

[b]Flaccos INT when we were down by 10 points was huge and that has nothing to do with Cam or Zorn or Hue.[/b]

[b]So was Cam responsible for Flacco's 7 to 9 bad passes last night? oh let me guess, the OL was bad, Joe was frustrated because Cam took away the running game, blah, blah[/b]
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isn't it Cam's job, as both the offensive coordinator and QB coach, to help fix those problems? How come Joe didn't have these problems last year, and this year he does? How come for 3 years, Joe had a qb coach not named Cam Cameron, and for three years Joe did nothing but progress, and now this year he's taken a step backwards? You think it's NOT because of Cam Cameron? Then what's the cause?

And no, Cam Cameron was not solely calling all of the plays last year. That's why Zorn and Saunders and Hue were here. They had input into the gameplan, that's why it's called an offensive STAFF and not an offensive one-man show. Cam calls the plays, but it's the responsibility of the qb coach to show the quarterback how to execute the plays, that's what a quarterback coach does. It's the responsiblity of an offensive consultant to help the OC design the plays. And last year, we had a lot of plays that fit our players' strengths, i.e. play action. Case in point - last year, we got down big early to the Buffalo Bills, Rice still gets double digit carries.

But Cam is a control freak. He didn't like what Zorn wanted Flacco to do. He didn't like what Saunders wanted. He complained to John Harbaugh, and that's why they got the boot. Harbaugh flat-out admitted that's why they got th boot. This year, there have already been 4 games where Rice has gotten the ball 8 times or less, three of them losses to some of the worst run defenses in the NFL. Why did Rice get 8 carries when 2 rushing TDs would have won us the Jacksonville game? Were we so far down that we had to pass against the 7th ranked passing D in the league? No, but Cam Cameron wanted to anyway. You think Flacco is the one who's calling of the passing plays? So yes, a lot of Flacco's lack of execution should be directly attributed to Cam Cameron, because he's the only who not only is calling the plays but teaching Flacco how to read the plays and read the defense. Great quarterbacks don't just mystically learn things on their own - every great quarterback in this league has somebody behind them who has proven to have success working with and developing quarterbacks, except Joe Flacco. Look at Cam Cameron's record. He has never helped a quarterback to accomplish anything. Why would you expect a different result with Flacco?