MERGED: Post Chargers Game Venom, Anger, Shock, Blame, Threads

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='BmoreInBmore' timestamp='1324283112' post='912804']

Did you watch the game? Joe held the ball for over 5 seconds each time he was sacked, don't blame the line for the QB not getting rid of the ball. He had plenty of time all game. And its not just this game, Joe leads the NFL in fumbles, that says one of two things, either he has butter fingers, or he is holding on to the ball WAY to long.
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I'm sorry but the pocket was collapsing on Joe nearly the entire game. They were pretty good at run-blocking but the pass protection was pretty sub-par.

[UMDan]

[quote name='EnVy_CaLiBeR' timestamp='1324284370' post='912806']
I'm sorry but the pocket was collapsing on Joe nearly the entire game. They were pretty good at run-blocking but the pass protection was pretty sub-par.
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Thank you. +1

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='EnVy_CaLiBeR' timestamp='1324284370' post='912806']
I'm sorry but the pocket was collapsing on Joe nearly the entire game. They were pretty good at run-blocking but the pass protection was pretty sub-par.
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I gotta go part way with Bmore on this one. The line collapsed more than I'd like to see, especially with 4 man rushes. But what drove me crazy all night was how long joe was holding onto the ball, flat footed standing in the pocket while it collapsed around him. There is no way he should have taken so many sacks. He had more than enough opportunity to throw it away instead of losing 5-7 yards for no reason.

He does that, he know he does it and he has even rationalized it in his own head. He has said in interviews that he is holding onto it in order to make a play. If he makes that play, people are happy .. sometimes he doesn't .. that's "football" (he's starting to sound a lot like Harbaugh and that condescending "people who know football" tone). Problem is, sometimes comes too often.

And don't get me started on the Takeo Spikes interception now that I know he saw Spikes standing there and threw it anyway 'cause he thought it would go by him.

[The Prestige]

I think of the other teams I root for - White Sox, Penguins, Seminoles, Raptors - and you absolutely HATE that moment in the season where you realize your team just doesn't have a Championship in them.

The worst is when you think they MIGHT have it, tell yourself they DO have it, then you have a devastating loss that becomes more alarming after you look back at it.

Well, I really didn't see that tonight.

In 13 games, they allow 3 offensive TDs just one time. They get 45 sacks.

I agree with the other fans who said the line play is crucial, but sometimes you get stuffed based on how a team matches up. Each O-line player had the right size and attributes to keep each Raven pass rusher shut down. The Titans had those match-ups, too. Another factor is how fast the turf is.

The real determinant of whether or not I give up on my team winning the Championship is how I would feel about them playing that team again IF that team is going to the postseason.

In terms of the second part, I don't think the Chargers will be there. For the first part, it would be very difficult to beat the Chargers in a rematch, but I think they can do it. Lardarius Webb has to be healthy. Cameron needs to go to shotgun more. Pagano needs to blitz less often.

I have had Cameron rated in the top 8 - working with a lot of young players and street offensive linemen - in play-calling in the NFL all the way up until now (I had him at 32 last season). Tonight, I was really looking for shotgun. They seem to have success when they go shotgun with Rice-Boldin-Smith-Dickson-Pitta. I know they want to work Evans in, but I would like David to get more slot chances.

They gotta be more aggressive in the passing game, even if that means max protect. The only max I saw was for that simple Pitta dumpoff.

So, tonight kind of reminded me of last season for Cameron. If that second INT doesn't happen - and it was a lucky one -, the Ravens probably score 21 on a pretty fired-up Chargers defense on the verge of elimination, with Cundiff missing a 36 yarder.

That's pretty good, but I believe the Ravens are capable of scoring 30 on anyone. When they score less than that, it has to be because they had time-consuming drives.

I didn't think Cameron was awful tonight, but there was a certain predictability to it, whereas last season - it was not only predictable - it seemed like he was so afraid to put 3 WR out there because he was afraid of tipping his hand (which he was already doing).

[The Prestige]

The Ravens are 10-1 - including playoffs - when Anquan Boldin has at least 64 receiving yards.

[BloodRaven]

We deserved to have Gaither and Barnes come in and kick our asses.

It also seems like a few of our guys are wearing down and need to be rotated more, our front 3 (especially Redding) and JJ disappeared after halftime. Wheres the rotation? I wonder what Art Jones and McKinney are thinking sitting on the bench watching Redding and Cody suck wind.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='BmoreInBmore' timestamp='1324283112' post='912804']

Did you watch the game? Joe held the ball for over 5 seconds each time he was sacked, don't blame the line for the QB not getting rid of the ball. He had plenty of time all game. And its not just this game, Joe leads the NFL in fumbles, that says one of two things, either he has butter fingers, or he is holding on to the ball WAY to long.
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The QB has to get outside the pocket before he gets rid of the ball or it is grounding. How does he get outside the pocket, get his arm up, and throw the ball, when he is absolutely surrounded by opposing players?

[jaege]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1324269645' post='912307']ok...yes! we're in the playoffs and for that i am grateful. but, i gotta to honest. for all of the arguing, defending and protecting of our Ravens that we fans do in here, in public, with family and friends against all of their haters in the media (skip bayless and the crew) and especially with steelers fans...these let downs of the Ravens are getting harder and harder to deal with. how can you argue in defense of what we witnessed from the Ravens on both sides of the ball tonight? imo...you can't! just my rant on this pathetic game tonight! p.s. i still love this team but they have pissed me off tonight...BIG TIME!! ~Mili[/quote]


I second that opinion. Not hating on my Ravens, just finding it hard to justify these poor performances.

[Cody Pryseski]

Can i have a refund on my playoff tickets? What a sham. New coaching, new play calling. It's football not rocket science.

[ravensdfan]

I don't think any of our players need us to hate on them right now. If you watch the pressers and saw them at the end of the game, even our rookies know the chance they blew last night. All we can do is hope for some help from the 49ers and if not, on the road again friends. It's a tough, hard road no doubt but perhaps we learned some lessons last night that will improve our road play.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1324270222' post='912386']


What the hell did I do?!?
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What didn't you do, Pu? You missed tackles, missed coverage, got beat at the line, threw picks, gave up TD's, dropped balls and missed FGs. Therefore, I hate everyone! (rant over and headache intact)

[jagans]

I agree with Wizard. Flacco dosent show me anything. He throws into traffic, has no touch and very poor judjement. He also goes down very easily for a big guy. Look at the difference between him and Big Ben. Ben always makes something happen.

[PaintinPGPurple]

Phillip Rivers: I feel your pain. I had Cam once. I hate to tell you, you guys are going nowhere with him.
Joe Flacco: I know this already. Tell Harbs.
Phillip Rivers: I'll text him. What's the number?
Joe Flacco: (410) 555-5555.
Phillip Rivers: O.K. thanks. See you in three weeks when you come back here!

[PaintinPGPurple]

Worst since @ Pittsburgh in 2007 on MNF. I think Pitt had scored five times in 1 quarter and their Steel curtain alumni laughed at us.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='jagans' timestamp='1324304478' post='913073']
I agree with Wizard. Flacco dosent show me anything. He throws into traffic, [b]has no touch[/b] and very poor judjement. He also goes down very easily for a big guy. Look at the difference between him and Big Ben. Ben always makes something happen.
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I agree completely about the no touch. He misses more short dump off passes than anyone I've ever seen. That said, we're stuck with him. He played poorly but ultimately he would have had to become Aaron Rodgers to win this game. Plus, if he started to match Rivers score for score then San Diego would have had no reason to take their foot off the gas and we would have seen our defense give up 45 points or more.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1324269293' post='912262']
A positive, for me at least:

Tyrod Taylor. Although he only had 3 plays, he has AWARENESS, something Flacco lacks. Tyrod sensed the pressure on every play, and could actually get out of the pocket. I'm not saying to start Tyrod, but at least he did better than Joe tonight in a very important aspect of the QB position.
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He was put in during garbage time while the Chargers' D was in soft mode. And he didn't do all that well. So what would make you think he would have done better when they were playing their hearts' out? He didn't do better than Joe. The pocket was collapsing all over the place on Joe and our D put him in a position where he couldn't afford to be patient. The man was trying to make plays downfield when all his targets were covered. Why? Because our D couldn't get the Chargers' O off the field and he knew our opportunities were limited.

[Pitts2000]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1324269939' post='912347']
I'm just going to get off the board and call it a night as I'm sure many people will be posting like crazy. I know everyone will be mad tonight but let's just remember this... the Ravens have CLINCHED a Playoff spot. They are in the playoffs for FOUR STRAIGHT SEASONS, plenty of teams would love to be in that position, hell for some, just to be in the playoffs once!

To Quote Aaron Rodgers: "Packers Main Goal is to win the Super Bowl."

If the Packers win the Super Bowl again, will anyone be talking how they loss to KC, in the end if Ravens finish second in the AFC North but Win the Super Bowl, who cares if Pittsburgh won the Division. If we win the Super Bowl, will anyone on this board still care about the losses? Aaron Rodgers is right, and that's the thinking we should all have!
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I understand your point in regard to this topic, but you can't compare what Rodgers had to with what the Ravens went through last night. All the Packers lost yesterday was a shot at perfection which some will argue is a good thing for the Pack being they wont feel the pressure.

On the other hand, to use AR's logic and say it applies to the Ravens is a little optimistic on your end. The Ravens have essentially lost a chance to be the #1 seed with a first round bye due to their lose yesterday. (Which I know you guys are aware of)

I'm betting that if the Pack were in the exact same position and lost their game yesterday with the same ramifications he would have said something else and more along these lines,

"It was a tough game, give it to the other team for playing their hearts out. We had a chance to take control as the #1 seed but now we need some things to go our way which isnt where we wanted to be because we'd rather control out own destiny. But even if we end up as a wildcard it's not like we haven't been there before and we'll go out and compete like we were the #1 seed"

I know you're putting a positive spin on the game yesterday but the Pack and Ravens have nothing in common when it comes to their loses yesterday.

[mustangcat]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1324270883' post='912458']

We just need Jason Phillips back, we'd be set
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Good thing for him, you will never know.

[Jerseyraven52205527]

The defense was horrific.

[lowrider]

[quote name='magna481' timestamp='1324277186' post='912734']
I don't know where to start...
The whole defense was terrible...
The secondary: Cary kept getting behind his guy, sure, ready to make the tackle.. but i'd rather see a deflection or int... Jimmy just got burnt.. over and over and over
Linebackers: looked like the Bills.
D-Line: No pressure... and gaither was handling everyone ...what the heck
The offense... looked like last years... where were the deep balls? oh wait... right, over/under thrown. =/
Ray rice was lighting it up though, too bad cam doesn't like to see him run the ball.

On the bright side... the titans lost to the colts, not us.
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The Chargers scored on the first 5 drives of the night. They didn't punt once. We couldn't make a stop. And I agree with you that the offense didn't have it's best game. But the defense, which is supposed to be elite, [b]did not show up[/b]. Defense absolutely killed us. No pass rush. Cornerbacks were exposed. That was embarrassing.

[ddtbalt]

[quote name='BmoreInBmore' timestamp='1324278455' post='912753']
I have serious doubts as to whether this team can win a Superbowl with Joe Flacco
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I agree 100%. By this time Joe should be more consistent in his play - I'm so tired of seeing this same pattern over and over again! My dog learns pretty quickly - why hasn't Joe learned more about leading a team to a real victory?

[reediddy]

[quote name='ddtbalt' timestamp='1324320500' post='913628']

I agree 100%. By this time Joe should be more consistent in his play - I'm so tired of seeing this same pattern over and over again! My dog learns pretty quickly - why hasn't Joe learned more about leading a team to a real victory?
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Same here. At what point will we finally see this huge development where Flacco becomes an elite QB? Supposed to happen last year. All I hear are fans talking about how it will happen and to stick with the guy, and I surely will as long as he remains our QB, but it's getting tougher by the week to have faith in him to develop into elite status

[Yatagarasu]

Flacco was never considered Elite by the Media.

That comment on Tebow made him look like arrogant, saying he and his team should get more respect.

Last time I checked in the NFL, respect is earned, not given.

Brady, Rodger, Peyton earned there's cause they got rings.

Flacco got no rings, so what if he made playoffs 4 times in a row, they mean nothing if you can't win the Super Bowl.

Tebow who seems to be the media superstar earned his respect from his college days (Heisman, Championship, the whole nine yards!). He has no rings, but so what Flacco, stop caring about others and focus on yourself.

I hope Flacco is more focused now because the cure for this mishap is winning the Super Bowl.

[chesapeakeaviator]

Glad I gave up a combined five hours for this debacle.

This is the same thing I've been worried about all year long--the one thing all our defeats have in common is that this team cannot show up on the road, unless it is Pittsburgh. They play with zero passion, zero focus, and once the first thing goes wrong, you know they're done. When Cundiff missed the 36 yarder (and I'm sorry, that's officially enough misses to get cut--there are too many out-of-work kickers who would be far more accurate right now, and kicker is not a position you need to develop), you knew that was the ballgame. No one responded. The Chargers offense, the same offense that was getting pummeled by the Kansas City Chiefs, picked us apart. They ran the same routes probably 20 times in that game and we couldn't stop 'em any better on play 20 than we could on play one. Secondary definitely has faded a bit.

Ray Rice is the key to the offense clicking, but there wasn't much we could do once we allowed San Diego to score 31 points that fast. They honestly could have pushed well into the 50s, I think, but Norv was smarter than that--the last thing he would have wanted was to tick off the Ravens D that much if we saw them again in the playoffs.

Kiss your home playoff game goodbye. Drops us from a 1-2 seed down to #5 now. You KNOW Roethlisberger is going to pull it off tonight--they always do. It will be ugly, they'll get outplayed for three and a half quarters, and then he'll hit one decent pass and they'll win it like 13-10.

I bet we go and see this team again, on the road, in the first round of the playoffs. And I don't like it.

I would not bet on the Packers against us at M&T. But on the road? I couldn't bet on us to beat the Towson Tigers.

[marylandmike12]

keep on waitin wating wating on cam cameron to get fired

[Ravens549]

[quote name='chesapeakeaviator' timestamp='1324329735' post='913918']
It will be ugly, they'll get outplayed for three and a half quarters, and then he'll hit one decent pass and they'll win it like 13-10.
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Man, isn't that the truth!

[bmore187]

I just got back to Vegas from San Diego and boy did i choose the wrong game to attend.......let me give you a few of my view points from someone who was at the game........

1) Cam Camerons Offense is not designed to come from behind
2) Cary Williams is Frank Walker 2.0 - I called it out every time i saw Cary singled up.....Rivers was tearing him apart
3) Flacco has the tools to succeed but i dont know if he has the brains to match them.........I mean how many of his INTs this year have you seen him where he throws right to the LB and you say what was he looking at?
4) Ray Lewis is about as slow as they get.......i got bashed big time earlier in the season for this but.....get him off the field on obvious passing downs.......Ravens 6-4 this year with Ray 4-0 without him......just saying
5) Harbaugh doesnt do anything on the sidelines but sit there with a stupid look on his face
6) A good third to 40% of the fans there were Ravens fans......great showing
7) There were a lot of cool Chargers fans in my section, they deserved to have that place rocking like it was, the Chargers destroyed us

[usmccharles]

I honestly wouldnt be disapointed if we actually tried last night. It looked like we didnt care, had no fire, if it would been a close game then ok no biggy, but after this hole day living in san diego and listening to all this coverage just makes me more mad. We could of had the number one seed finally, but i guess that wasnt enough to get them pumped up. It seems as if we arent at home, we show no fire and come out flat. Im not gonna sit her and say ench flacco fire this person...but i will say that this team cant expect to make noise on the road in the playoffs, we are a good team but we are way too inconsistent to be any kind of contender and i completely get why we never get credit, i was actually embarassed walking out of the chargers stadium last night, thanks

[MLGWL20]

[quote name='chesapeakeaviator' timestamp='1324329735' post='913918']
KNOW Roethlisberger is going to pull it off tonight--they always do. It will be ugly, they'll get outplayed for three and a half quarters, and then he'll hit one decent pass and they'll win it like 13-10..
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It seems to always happen like that, but I dont think so tonight. I think they will really struggle.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1324334701' post='914075']
I just got back to Vegas from San Diego and boy did i choose the wrong game to attend.......let me give you a few of my view points from someone who was at the game........

1) Cam Camerons Offense is not designed to come from behind
2) Cary Williams is Frank Walker 2.0 - I called it out every time i saw Cary singled up.....Rivers was tearing him apart
3) Flacco has the tools to succeed but i dont know if he has the brains to match them.........I mean how many of his INTs this year have you seen him where he throws right to the LB and you say what was he looking at?
4) Ray Lewis is about as slow as they get.......i got bashed big time earlier in the season for this but.....get him off the field on obvious passing downs.......Ravens 6-4 this year with Ray 4-0 without him......just saying
5) Harbaugh doesnt do anything on the sidelines but sit there with a stupid look on his face
6) A good third to 40% of the fans there were Ravens fans......great showing
7) There were a lot of cool Chargers fans in my section, they deserved to have that place rocking like it was, the Chargers destroyed us
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I'm not sure why you got neg'd but I got rid of it.

Some of this I completely agree. Some I guess I just have a different perspective.

I've often said that Harbs just seems to be so hands off on the sidelines. I guess there could be more going on than we get to see from TV or even from the stands, but other HCs just seem so much more into what is going on around them.

As for Joe and the INTs in that game. Yes, my first reaction was "what? what did you see there? ". But on the replay on the one, you could see he saw Evans and the other, he saw Rice. Both times the defensive player made a good break on the ball. I can't fault him, I really can't. I saw his frustration. He'd look at Rice, look back downfield, look at Rice, he was trying to get the ball downfield so desperately because our D just wasn't getting it done.

I'm not ready to throw Ray under the bus just yet. I'm not sure he was 100% last night.

Cam, well, it is sometimes best if I don't go there. Frankly I'm not any more pleased with Pagano after that game. I did not see one single solitary adjustment after the half. We did not do anything differently on either side of the ball to try to stop the onslaught. Ultimately, that falls on your HC because this isn't a new thing. We do not adjust.