The Flag On Suggs!?

[Marc2k6]

What do you think of the flag on Suggs on 3rd down? That was not roghing the passer at all or illegal contact to the head. Another case of the refs helping a team win a game with a questionable call.

[bossman419]

my grandma even laughed at that flag. jesus christ, what a crock of crap

[Perfekt]

the refs have always seemed to be against us. its nothing new we just need to give them less chances to give us those calls by not getting stupid ones along with them.

[Eurich]

anyone have a video?

[tweety]

First quarter we got some calls that favored us unfairly. All we had to do was to stop them with 3 more down we couldn't do it. It was a fair game, we lost because of our Offense again not the refs. We probably would have won if it wasn't for the call and if Flacco didn't throw those INTs, and if the Titans weren't so go. Speculation is the last thing we need to do.

For the Future we need to figure something with this Offense. Of course we always freak out and say QB change, could that be it. Yea the call probably cost us the game along with other factors.

[Perfekt]

what we need to do is start looking at the possiblity of a two qb system. im sorry for all you other fans who dont support this idea but we need to change it up. and pound the ball more.

[z_keeper]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='72847' date='Oct 5 2008, 03:39 PM']What do you think of the flag on Suggs on 3rd down? That was not roghing the passer at all or illegal contact to the head. Another case of the refs helping a team win a game with a questionable call. [/quote]

Were you not watching the same game I was?

Suggs' hand came down on the helmet and continued to the shoulder ***.

Contact to the head is illegal by rule.

Stop your whining and accept the fact that your team could not stop the Titans from scoring when it counted.

If you wish to see a blown call in this game, go to 2:30 left in the 4th and watch the blatant jersey grab by a beaten Ravens defender that was not called for pass interference and clearly should have been.

[Ravnet]

It wasn't intentional, but it was still probably a violation of the rules. I don't know specifically, but you probably can't touch a quarterbacks head with you hand. It's the same as touching a kicker, it's off limits.

Once again, it still doesn't change the fact that Rex Ryan continued to rush 8 guys even though they were all being picked up. Our secondary was already very weak, we were lucky the Titans thought they could run on us for the first three quarters.

[nevermore621]

[quote name='Perfekt' post='72895' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:54 PM']what we need to do is start looking at the possiblity of a two qb system. im sorry for all you other fans who dont support this idea but we need to change it up. and pound the ball more.[/quote]
I totally agree that we need to pound the ball more, and think LeRon MClain and Lorenzo Neal are the answers there. I am not sure McGahee is geting physical enough, but we have to admit he is coming off some injuries.

As to QB, I still think Flacco has it, and was signed in the first round for a reason. That doesn't mean that Troy Smith might not get a chance later on, but he needs to get healthy, and get more reps in practice, and be ready for his shot, if it comes.

[rlh445]

[quote name='z_keeper' post='72902' date='Oct 5 2008, 03:56 PM']Were you not watching the same game I was?

Suggs' hand came down on the helmet and continued to the shoulder ***.

Contact to the head is illegal by rule.

Stop your whining and accept the fact that your team could not stop the Titans from scoring when it counted.

If you wish to see a blown call in this game, go to 2:30 left in the 4th and watch the blatant jersey grab by a beaten Ravens defender that was not called for pass interference and clearly should have been.[/quote]


Wow. If that is an actual rule, then Haynesworth should've gotten about 5 flags for that lovely hit on Flacco during his encroachment. What? Did you say something? No, I thought not. Suggs goes in and tries to deflect a pass, a glancing blow to the shoulder pads, and gets called for 'roughing the passer'. And all this AFTER a false start by the Titans. Do you even know what roughing the passer is? It's an idiotic rule by a scared organization. Are QBs not playing the game of football? Are they not as tough as other players? They hold the ball EVERY SNAP of the game..and they're going to get hit.

Don't get me wrong, that play didn't win or lose the game for us. But handing any team 15 yards in the fourth quarter, especially after a three and out on a poor showing on offense, is gonna be taken with welcome arms by the team who was gifted. Blatant jersey grab, pfft. I guess blatantly tackling defenders as they're about to sack a QB is okay, though.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='rlh445' post='72930' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:10 PM']Wow. If that is an actual rule, then Haynesworth should've gotten about 5 flags for that lovely hit on Flacco during his encroachment. What? Did you say something? No, I thought not. Suggs goes in and tries to deflect a pass, a glancing blow to the shoulder pads, and gets called for 'roughing the passer'. [b]And all this AFTER a false start by the Titans.[/b] Do you even know what roughing the passer is? It's an idiotic rule by a scared organization. Are QBs not playing the game of football? Are they not as tough as other players? They hold the ball EVERY SNAP of the game..and they're going to get hit.

Don't get me wrong, that play didn't win or lose the game for us. But handing any team 15 yards in the fourth quarter, especially after a three and out on a poor showing on offense, is gonna be taken with welcome arms by the team who was gifted. Blatant jersey grab, pfft. I guess blatantly tackling defenders as they're about to sack a QB is okay, though.[/quote]

Regarding that false start... WHY DIDN'T THE REFS BLOW THE PLAY DEAD?!?!!?!??!

[bmorefan80]

Ok, this has been bugging me for the past few hours... Someone explain to me how we get penalized for roughing the passer, when they had a false start penalty?

I thought False start was a DEAD PLAY?!?!?!?

I have never heard of a false start not being called dead...

It wasn't even a roughing the passer anyways. I really think the NFL needs to review their officials big time. There are alot of bad calls and misjudgments.

[FerrariFan87]

That is correct. The False Start SHOULD have blown the play dead, but the officials didn't bother to blow their whistles and stop the play from developing and as a result of that, Suggs got pressure in Collins' face and they threw the flag when it should have NEVER gotten to that point. Once again, the refs significantly impact a game and the NFL really needs to think about scrapping some of these crews because they are REALLY screwing teams this year.

[mcgaheewillrunyourassover]

[quote name='bmorefan80' post='73119' date='Oct 5 2008, 07:53 PM']Ok, this has been bugging me for the past few hours... Someone explain to me how we get penalized for roughing the passer, when they had a false start penalty?

I thought False start was a DEAD PLAY?!?!?!?

I have never heard of a false start not being called dead...

It wasn't even a roughing the passer anyways. I really think the NFL needs to review their officials big time. There are alot of bad calls and misjudgments.[/quote]

EXACTLY!

we should be 4-0...but a no TD vs pitt call and that one screwed us...yuck

[Moderator 2]

I actually called someone with a radio from the stands, because the way it went down I thought the D got called. Everything from the false start on should not have counted.

[nevermore621]

Why is it the RAVENS nearly always come out on the short end of the stick with this stuff. I didn't notice it, but thanks for the post. The New England game last year is a good example of this kind of bad officiating agains the Ravens. Our last meeting with the Lions after they lost one due to bad officiating...we broke the record for penalties in a game...come on now.

But engaging in all this ignores the fact that wwe should have done better as a team, scored more points, and dominated more on defense.

It sucks but we are 2-2 and we have to get out of this slump.

[K-Dog]

that was a bull sh__ call.
There NEEDS to be accountability for this stuff.
Some one NEEDS to be responcible.

There is no way you can justify or talk your way out of the fact that whole play was any thung but pure BS.

[tctony]

Its just a crappy rule, because the NFL just wants to protect the QBs. Thats fine and all, on cheap shots (kind of like that one that Albert Haynesworth took on Flacco today [that didn't even get a penalty called on]), but what the NFL doesn't realize, is that QBs are playing...football. You're gonna get hit, thats the point.

Rule revision, ref revision, whatever it is, we need something.

Not to mention that yes, the play should've been dead anyway. I don't see why they couldn't just call the offsides? Or, why the penalties weren't offsetting at the least.

[POE]

[quote name='Ravens1990' post='73158' date='Oct 5 2008, 09:03 PM']Its just a crappy rule, because the NFL just wants to protect the QBs. Thats fine and all, on cheap shots (kind of like that one that Albert Haynesworth took on Flacco today [that didn't even get a penalty called on]), but what the NFL doesn't realize, is that QBs are playing...football. You're gonna get hit, thats the point.

Rule revision, ref revision, whatever it is, we need something.

Not to mention that yes, the play should've been dead anyway. I don't see why they couldn't just call the offsides? Or, why the penalties weren't offsetting at the least.[/quote]

Exactly! The penalty should have never been one like already stated but there were penalties on both teams and should of offset eachother. I blew up when the judge announced the call. I mean I know we had times where we could have put this in the Win column and calls that went our way but that was a huge call in the 4th with very little time left and if it was even close to being a good call I would have been blaming Suggs for a stupid play. This wasn't close at all and should have never happened in the first place!

[neepo13]

[quote name='bmorefan80' post='73119' date='Oct 5 2008, 07:53 PM']Ok, this has been bugging me for the past few hours... Someone explain to me how we get penalized for roughing the passer, when they had a false start penalty?

I thought False start was a DEAD PLAY?!?!?!?

I have never heard of a false start not being called dead...

It wasn't even a roughing the passer anyways. I really think the NFL needs to review their officials big time. There are alot of bad calls and misjudgments.[/quote]

I agree with that but for everyone saying this cost us the game it didnt. Our defense folding is what cost us the game.

[ravensgirlx88]

of course.. you think the refs where gunna let a team like us beat the "unbeaten" titans?!!?.. i didnt' they took it away in the last half like always.. & im not buying the it was our defense line either!!

[POE]

[quote name='neepo13' post='73175' date='Oct 5 2008, 09:27 PM']I agree with that but for everyone saying this cost us the game it didnt. Our defense folding is what cost us the game.[/quote]

I hear what your saying and don't want to put blame on something that we can not control but this was a huge blown call at a time where our D did stop them. As I said in my earlier post there were times we had the chance to shut this game out nd calls that went our way but nothing hurts more then a blown call like that, that late in the game to give the opposite team that momentum.

[Black&Purple]

I notice every time we lose we blame a penalty, lets not realize the Titans got some pretty hefty penalties that cost them some points against them as well. The missed FG by Stover hurt, but I do realize it was a far attempt and was not an easy FG to make. The defense allowed the Titans to move down the field and score, just like in Pittsburgh with the end result of a L.

[blackbandana]

heres basicly it...stover sucks now he cant make anything past 40 yards...we lost another game due to flacco's rookie mistakes... and the ref called us on a bull **** game diciding penalty...

and dont feel sorry for the titans and their penalties...they looked like idiots out their fighting each other and getting fouls left and right they diserved it...

hell with that...im to pist to even think about football...

props to our defence though its gonna be another season where they work so hard and come up with nothing...

[Tdog]

I do have to call BS on that roughing call. First, if the Refs. blow the call dead on False start, then no penalty. Somehow on that play unlike the other hundred plays, he couldn't fins his whistle, until we had a penalty. "Oh, here it is in my pocket." Even so they should have been atleast off-setting since the play should have been dead. Secondly, I thought the rule was that you had to actually hit the QB in the helmet, not look like it. Hell, if were going on looks alone, there were some helmet leading hits that should've been called. I think the upstairs should immediately be looking at any play and blowing the whistle on these Refs. I'm sure we won't get a apology letter from the commish, and a promise that the idiot ref will not make it to the Super Bowl. Heck, he'll probably get awared the Head ref job for the Super Bowl from the commish for that call. Also, expect to see him at more of our games. Got to love the NFl! The No Fair League, unless we say it's fair. Oh, and by the way thats not a reviewable call. We're the NFL we're always right, even when were wrong.

[Jesse Conroy]

And how in the hell were the penalties not offset? How come the other team didn't get any punishment for their penalty...

Once again the refs screwed us, and now we have another loss under our belts.

[PuRock]

The call was pretty bad. But we still needed to stop the drive at the end. I understand there was a hit to the head, but it wasn't intentional, and it was tick tacky.

I was in the Press Conference room when John Harbaugh was speaking, and one of reporters asked him about the penalty. You could see in his face that he was pissed, but he said "I'm not allowed to talk about those sort of things". You could tell he very upset about it.

[Tdog]

Hell, if their not going to kill the play with a whistle then turn around and throw a flag on a BS roughing the passer. Then earlier they should have flagged Haynesworth for roughing the passer. The play was dead from his encroachment, then he goes and slams Flacco. No roughing the passer call on that one. Oh, thats right Tenn. is supposed to be 5-0, I guess the ref must've gotten his bonus this year. I expect we'll see him at more of our games, cause the NFL likes his calls. Blind on some, and cheating on others.

[TXRaven]

That whole situation was handeled poorly by the refs agian, I should be getting used to it and it cost us a stop and a win...but we had pleanty of chances to put the game away before that and did not. If you leave the game in officials hands they will beat us every time, Just go for the throat Ravens don't leave any doubt. That way it will not be taken from us.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

Let's wait and see what the league has to say.

I do believe we sent a tape in to them. Let's let them make the judgement call.